CNN contributors: If Rev. Wright is fair game, so is Mormonism’s racial history

posted at 5:39 pm on May 17, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite. On the one hand, this probably was a consideration in Team Mitt’s mad dash this morning to distance themselves from the now-kaput Rev. Wright Super PAC ad. On the other hand, does anyone think the media’s going to let Romney’s faith pass unremarked upon if he’s three or four points up on O circa early October? Newsweek was willing to churn out this cover last year; imagine what they’ll do once real panic sets in.

John Ziegler has an interesting theory about today’s trial balloon:

Secondly, a proper attack on the Wright issue could provide a strong defense, or at least a deterrent, on the “Mormon issue” regarding Romney’s religion.

The media has already made it clear that they intend to make Romney’s religion a campaign topic, either overtly or covertly, whenever possible. By making Wright a major campaign subject this puts the media/Obama campaign in a rather tough spot. If they condemn the Wright attacks, then it makes it extremely difficult for them to “go Mormon.” If they don’t, then at least the issue is neutralized as very few undecided voters are going to view Romney’s Mormonism as more of a negative than Obama’s Wright connection. My gut tells me this is a good trade for the Romney forces. At worst, it is a wash.

In other words, Rev. Wright and Mormonism act as nuclear weapons in Romney’s and Obama’s respective arsenals. In theory, a launch would bring about mutually assured destruction. Would it really, though? Obama might sustain some damage but the issue is old news for many voters; if anything, it’d be a handy change of subject for him on the economy, especially with the media in full gasping-indignation mode on behalf of their guy. By contrast, depending upon how nasty and demagogic O’s surrogates are, attacking Mitt’s Mormonism could be a way to define him negatively for swaths of voters who are unfamiliar with him. As BuzzFeed points out, most Americans know next to nothing about LDS, which makes it a blank slate that might be used effectively by a sufficiently vicious/desperate campaign operative. If you’re going to rattle the campaign saber about Rev. Wright, do it because you think that’s an important issue, not because it might deter O’s boosters from dragging religion into this. Because it won’t.


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Obama might sustain some damage but the issue is old news for many voters;

Not when they can dig up audio saying that Wright was offered $150K to disappear during the 2008 elections because he was hurting Obama’s chances.

Point out that John Edwards is about to go up the river for doing this same thing.

teke184 on May 17, 2012 at 5:41 PM

HA!

FIRST!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on May 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Then so is the Democrat Party’s support of slavery, Jim Crow, and the KKK.

forest on May 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

It’s the other way around.

If Mormonism is fair game, so is Rev. Wright.

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

That dog is huntin’.

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM

yay! Lets talk about Obama’s polygamist father too while we’re at it

gatorboy on May 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM

HA!

FIRST!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on May 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Ha, not :)

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Mitt Romney should beat them to the punch by repudiating ol Mormon racism. 0bamanauts will be LOST without a ad hominem attack.

HA!

FIRST!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on May 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Stupid is incurable.

Capitalist Hog on May 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Rev Wright is a person, Mormonism is a religion.

apples/oranges er…chickens/roosters?

ted c on May 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM

What will be more devastating? Mitt’s Mormonism or Obama’s bowing to the Muzzie Brotherhood and the rest of the world?

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

It can act as a deterrent if the O-bots think it has staying power. If they don’t, then they’ll play the Mormon card, and we’re no worse off than before. Because, as you say, they’re going to play it anyway.

But if they think the Obama-Wright relationship is poison, then maybe they’ll pull their punches wrt Mormonism.

At worst, a push. At best, it seriously neuters one of Obama’s big weapons.

I think it was a good play. We’ll see how it unfolds.

nukemhill on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

F*ck Roland Martin. The biggest racist on cable news aside from Al Sharpton.

RepubChica on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Here it comes…but it won’t overcome the economy, energy, etc.

right2bright on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Mormonism happened to be born right at the pinnacle of American racism. That racism rubbed off on the Church Founders. That’s not an excuse. That’s an explanation. The Mormons were by no means alone in that. At least they weren’t keeping slaves…I don’t think.

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

CNN contributors: If Rev. Wright is fair game, so is Mormonism’s racial history

And so is CNN’s allergy to ratings of any sort.

Myron Falwell on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Would it really, though? Obama might sustain some damage but the issue is old news for many voters; if anything, it’d be a handy change of subject, especially with the media in full gasping-indignation mode on behalf of their guy. By contrast, depending upon how nasty and demagogic O’s surrogates are, attacking Mitt’s Mormonism could be a way to define him negatively for swaths of voters who don’t know him yet. As BuzzFeed points out, most Americans know next to nothing about LDS. It’s a blank slate that might be used effectively by a sufficiently vicious/desperate campaign operative. If you’re going to rattle the campaign saber about Rev. Wright, do it because you think that’s an important issue, not because it might deter O’s boosters from dragging religion into this. Because it won’t.


Duhhhh

mark my words: this is going to end up doing for Obama, what SSM support did for Romney….consolidate and motivate the base. Therefore net negative for Romney.

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on May 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

HA!

SECOND!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on May 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Fixed.

I hate to break it to you, but last time I checked you don’t get a “prize” for being the first to post in a new thread.

What did you expect, for Allah to immediately show up at your door with a giant prop check for 27 dollars?

Del Dolemonte on May 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM

I take Mormonism over anti-american scum like Wright any day!

Valkyriepundit on May 17, 2012 at 5:49 PM

F*ck Roland Martin. The biggest racist on cable news aside from Al Sharpton.

RepubChica on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

And Homophobe.

reddevil on May 17, 2012 at 5:49 PM

They’re early to the party.

Prufrock on May 17, 2012 at 5:49 PM

I just hope Obama will be fair game. The media tends to leave him out most of the time. ;-)

reddevil on May 17, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Mormonism happened to be born right at the pinnacle of American racism. That racism rubbed off on the Church Founders. That’s not an excuse. That’s an explanation. The Mormons were by no means alone in that. At least they weren’t keeping slaves…I don’t think.

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Were actually persecuted for being abolitionists. Ironic, huh?

Prufrock on May 17, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Black men couldn’t hold the Priesthood (Every man gets the chance to hold this when they turn 18 years of age) until 1978.

That isn’t that long ago.

portlandon on May 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Obama might sustain some damage but the issue is old news for many voters;

Considering most voters don’t even know who Rev Wright is because the left and our overlords on the right want to make sure it stays that way, your argument is the weakest of weak sauce

Spliff Menendez on May 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

I find this whole meme from CNN pretty interesting. Let me see if I can get this straight:

If one bat crap crazy preacher is fair game, then so is some other entire religion’s history?

In fact, I would welcome CNN going down that particular road because George Romney, Mitt’s father, stood up to the Mormon Church. George Romney was a very outspoken proponent of civil rights. The Mormon church sent a delegation to see him to get him to “tone it down”. George Romney refused.

So go ahead, CNN, go down that path. It will blow up in your collective faces if you do.

The Romney family has always been champions of civil rights.

crosspatch on May 17, 2012 at 5:52 PM

They can’t be stupid enough to attack the LDS Church, or to even equate it with Black Liberation “theology.”

Then again, this regime is attacking Catholicism whilst the lap-dog propagandists go along with it.

But that would be an incredible blunder to alienate the LDS, to which I say, go for it SCOAMF!

Rixon on May 17, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Then I guess Barry Black Liberation Theology or is he Muslim? As well as his fascist policies..oops I mean public private partnerships.. will finally be vetted

roflmao

donabernathy on May 17, 2012 at 5:53 PM

they were going to go after his religion no matter what…

pathetic folk

cmsinaz on May 17, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I think your right, Mormonism is going to get slipped in by media no matter what. Romney needs to make sure the Rev. and Obama get full throated coverage.

The Left plays for keeps, Conservatives better get that otherwise it’s over.

neurons on May 17, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Apples and Oranges. Attacking Obama’s association with a black-marxist psychotic, vs demonizing an entire religious faith. Stupid Obamunists. Go right ahead and show the electorate your a55 again.
Maybe the Obama worshippers can add a section about their own racism to that segregationist Woodrow Wilson’s bio.

rayra on May 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Being that wright is arguably a human, while the mormon religion is not, it’s difficult to tag mormonism as a racist. You can call the anti American piece of crap bastard wright a racist though. I’d personally like to escort this scumbag to the border and propel his ass southward with my size 13.

No, I have no idea whether or not the mormon religion has racist or prejudicial leanings. You know what? I don’t care. I’m not a mormon and I don’t think Romney is a racist.

I feel perfectly comfortable and accurate in saying obama and wright are both communist racists that want to see America go down in flames. For that they can burn in their own private hells.

Wolfmoon on May 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM

The point is missed imo.
It’s not racism or religion that is exposed by Wright, it’s the deception and ease with which Obama can lie and spin tales to further the con that is his life and his cause.

So lets compare the honesty of Obama vs Romney.

Mimzey on May 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM

I disagree you AllahPundit… the trade could be good.

Most people don’t know that Obama helped use public funds to support a racist school Wright was behind.

ninjapirate on May 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Black men couldn’t hold the Priesthood (Every man gets the chance to hold this when they turn 18 years of age) until 1978.

That isn’t that long ago.

portlandon on May 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Except for the ones that had it right back at the beginning.

Endemic racism took a couple of decades to put the kibosh on that. You know, the whole country being racist?

Prufrock on May 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Black men couldn’t hold the Priesthood (Every man gets the chance to hold this when they turn 18 years of age) until 1978.

That isn’t that long ago.

portlandon on May 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Well there’s a leftist turd in the punchbowl, right on cue with the Talking Points.

rayra on May 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM

I was unaware that the MSM thought Mormonism was off limits.

PerceptorII on May 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Mitt Romney is not a member of The Twelve who run the LDS church. If CNN or any other media outlet have questions about doctrine or history they need to interview people associated with operating the LDS church. Mitt Romney is not responsible for how they run the church or its entire history. I am not a member of the LDS church. But we must not allow the media to treat Mitt Romney differently than they would others.

Rev. Wright operates(ed) HIS church. We can hold him accountable for what he said and did as the person in charge of that one church and his person. His church is a member of the United Church of Christ denomination. Rev. Wright can’t speak for the denomination but the denomination can speak for its member churches.

And, by the way, the UCC is a VERY liberal denomination. Barely Christian, if at all, in some cases. They allow pagan practices in some of the churches. Each church is independent & allowed to practice the faith as it sees fit.

Terri on May 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM

CNN contributors: If Rev. Wright is fair game, so is Mormonism’s racial history

So, if romney doesn’t mention the vile, racist, anti-American, antisemitic, hate-filled sermons of Rev. Jeremiah “God Damn America” Wright – OBOZO’s pastor and mentor for 20+ years – then the socialist media won’t viciously, unrelentingly attack and smear the Mormon religion?

Yeah, right !

TeaPartyNation on May 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM

“If you’re going to tell the truth about Rev Wright, we want carte blanche to lie about Mormonism.”

CycloneCDB on May 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Sure *if* Romney agees with those past attitudes.

edshepp on May 17, 2012 at 5:57 PM

But there is no war on religion right?

Dr Evil on May 17, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Since when has CNN seen Rev. Wright as fair game?

I’m actually willing to agree to this deal. Let them do an objective unapologetic exploration of Rev. Wright, his un-American sermons, and his connections to his followers, specifically Barack Obama. Then indeed, a study of the Mormon faith will also be worthwhile. Put the two side by side with all of their positives, negatives, and sticking points. I trust the legitimate faith that supported polygamy ages ago will hold up fairly well against the batcrap crazy minister that was damning America just a couple of short years ago.

Gingotts on May 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM

I don’t get the connection.

Was Romney’s pastor offered a bribe? Did Romney’s pastor give hate-filled racebaiting sermons in his church? Did Romney come out and say, nah, I really didn’t go to that church very often? Did Romney throw his pastor under the bus for political expediency?

Pure BS. As usual.

fogw on May 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Yay!

Let’s have a debate about who’s religious beliefs sound crazier!

The Administration wants this.

Good Lt on May 17, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Well there’s a leftist turd in the punchbowl, right on cue with the Talking Points.

rayra on May 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM

You sure got my number.

rolls eyes

portlandon on May 17, 2012 at 6:01 PM

The media has already made it clear that they intend to make Romney’s religion a campaign topic, either overtly or covertly, whenever possible

…FORWARD MSM…!!!
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.
.
…it’s the ECONOMY stupid…!!!

KOOLAID2 on May 17, 2012 at 6:01 PM

As BuzzFeed points out, most Americans know next to nothing about LDS, which makes it a blank slate that might be used effectively by a sufficiently vicious/desperate campaign operative.

Urban Elitist, is that you?

Well Romney sat for 50 years in the pews of a church that baptizes holocaust victims, systematically denies women power within the church, gave up institutional racism only under pressure, and embraces a gang of bizarre and anti-Christian beliefs. Also, it was founded by a known film-flammer. So, go there. If Reverend Wright is fair game, so is Romney’s anti-Christian cult.

urban elitist on May 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Don’t forget, that “Pressure” came from a family named….Romney.

JeffWeimer on May 17, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Did Romney attempt to bribe any Mormons to be quiet?
Obama tried to bribe the Rev.

Did Romney quit the Mormon church?
Obama quit the Revs.

And isn’t it telling how all of the CNN (which has the worst ratings in 15 years) rush to defend Obama and attack Romney? Slimeballs.

Have any of them ever said if Obama can attack Mormonism then we should all dig deeper into Obama following Rev. “G..D…America” Wright?
That’s a LOL.

And if they attack Mormonism, well, Obama spend a lot of the first half of his life following Muslims…so will CNN call for attacking Islam???

albill on May 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM

The circular logic of the media is endlessly entertaining. They’ve been attacking Romney’s Mormonism relentlessly for months. So, now that someone has had the temerity to expose Obama’s bribery and strong-arming to keep Jeremiah Wright silent during his 2008 campaign, it means it’s open season for the media to attack Romney’s Mormonism.

All Romney has to do is say he promises not to bribe his pastor to keep quiet during the campaign. Maybe have his pastor up on the stage while he promises.

Keep the focus on the corruption. This is not about Obama’s religious beliefs. What little religion he holds other than God was made in His image you’d be hard pressed to find did you drop it from between your thumb and finger into the middle of a white sheet spread in the sun at midday.

starboardhelm on May 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM

The correct analogy is Black Liberation Theology v. Mormonism. And I’d bet the farm that OBL is even less palatable to the average American than LDS.

Dark Star on May 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Typical tu quoque lib attack. But if I were Romney, I’d take the opportunity to set forward Mormonism and contrast it with Jeremiah Wright/ black liberation theology and let the country decide.

ddrintn on May 17, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Well there’s a leftist turd in the punchbowl, right on cue with the Talking Points.

rayra on May 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Was he wrong in his post? No, you should try arguing the statement if it was wrong…

right2bright on May 17, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Hey, wasn’t I just predicting this over at Howard Portnoy’s GR post?

J.E. Dyer on May 17, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Sorry but anything with John Zieglers name on isn’t worth anything.

KBird on May 17, 2012 at 6:03 PM

PerceptorII on May 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM

+1

cmsinaz on May 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Obama might sustain some damage but the issue is old news for many…

Would you be surprised at the amount of people who don’t even know about the issue?

tacodawn on May 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM

…it’s the ECONOMY stupid…!!!

KOOLAID2 on May 17, 2012 at 6:01 PM

No shiny objects…

right2bright on May 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Yay!

Let’s have a debate about who’s religious beliefs sound crazier!

The Administration wants this.
Good Lt on May 17, 2012 at 6:00 PM

No question about it. Black Liberation Theology is much tougher to defend in my opinion, but that assumes a level playing field which is a pipe dream.

Kataklysmic on May 17, 2012 at 6:05 PM

fogw on May 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Plus, did Mitt’s pastor say that he lies, incessantly, as Wright did say about Obama?

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2012 at 6:06 PM

HA!

SECOND!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on May 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Fixed.

I hate to break it to you, but last time I checked you don’t get a “prize” for being the first to post in a new thread.

What did you expect, for Allah to immediately show up at your door with a giant prop check for 27 dollars?

Del Dolemonte on May 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Actually the prize is a gold star on the forehead …LIKE IN GRADE SCHOOL.

CW on May 17, 2012 at 6:07 PM

I say, bring it all.

We’re not little children. Tell everything.

faraway on May 17, 2012 at 6:08 PM

What does Wright have to do with Obama’s religion ?
Or any religion ?

burrata on May 17, 2012 at 6:08 PM

No question about it. Black Liberation Theology is much tougher to defend in my opinion, but that assumes a level playing field which is a pipe dream.

Kataklysmic on May 17, 2012 at 6:05 PM

On the other hand I think it would be a big mistake for Romney to appear to be defensive about his faith. I’d take the Jeremiah Wright thing head on. It’s Obama that has to scurry for the shadows when the topic turns to religion. Take the issue away from them, because you know they’re going to start in with the anti-Mormon stuff this summer.

ddrintn on May 17, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Big difference here.

Mormonism’s racism is in the past.

Black Lib Theology is a current event.

Joe Mama on May 17, 2012 at 6:09 PM

In other words, Rev. Wright and Mormonism act as nuclear weapons in Romney’s and Obama’s respective arsenals. In theory, a launch would bring about mutually assured destruction. Would it really, though?

Let me think. If neither of them launch these “nuclear weapons” then exactly one of them will be elected president. If, on the other hand, both of them send out the nukes, then… exactly one of them will be elected.

RINO in Name Only on May 17, 2012 at 6:10 PM

So if Mormonism is a reason someone can’t be president, then I guess Harry Reid can’t be a Senator?

sandee on May 17, 2012 at 6:11 PM

If the media wants to start a fight with the LDS Church, they better be prepared to get bought by it. I don’t mean Chris Matthews, I mean the whole of (p)MSNBC.

If you don’t think the LDS Church could buy it, do a Google search on their wealth. While they haven’t released a financial statement since the 1950s, they own land about the same size as the state of Delaware.

A book claims it is among the most affluent churches in the world. “Mormon America: The Power and the Promise” estimated the church’s net worth at between $25 billion to $30 billion in the late 1990s.

The just build “City Creek Center” the expense were estimated as high as 5 Billion, and they didn’t go a penny in to debt to built it.

Keep in mind there is the Non-Profit arm of the the LDS Church, and the For Profit arm of the LDS Church.

I personally would love to see the financial smack down the LDS Church would level against these organizations.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on May 17, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Romney is afraid of an attack on his membership in LDS, especially the part about blacks being banned from priesthood until 1978, so he has pledged no attack against Obama using Rev. Wright’s radical black liberation theology.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-01/mormon-romney-black/52920394/1

So another Mitten’s weakness is exposed by our main street press corps. Romney is choosing to dodge the whole issue. Who was that other white guy who spent the whole 2008 Presidential campaign dodging skin-color issues?

herdgadfly on May 17, 2012 at 6:13 PM

So being anti-Mormom doesn’t mean you’re a religious BIGOT?

Oh, ooops! Sorry, these are Democrats we’re talking about. Probably the same one’s who were ‘wink-wink, nudge, nudge’ about JFK and the Pope running the country.

GarandFan on May 17, 2012 at 6:13 PM

I see the night shift of the Tepid Air puss patrol has punched in.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 17, 2012 at 6:15 PM

MormonismThe Southern Baptist Convention happened to be born right at the pinnacle of American racism. That racism rubbed off on the Church Founders. That’s not an excuse. That’s an explanation. The MormonsSouthern Baptists were by no means alone in that. At least they weren’t keeping slaves…I don’t think.

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

There I fixed it for you.

You are welcome.

Gunlock Bill on May 17, 2012 at 6:15 PM

On the other hand I think it would be a big mistake for Romney to appear to be defensive about his faith. I’d take the Jeremiah Wright thing head on. It’s Obama that has to scurry for the shadows when the topic turns to religion. Take the issue away from them, because you know they’re going to start in with the anti-Mormon stuff this summer.

ddrintn on May 17, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Hmmm. Interesting. Since Romney knows they are going to hit Mormonism anyway, go in for the preemptive strike and start out the religion wars with Obama on the defense? It’s risky, but I suppose anything is going to be better than “Fight with me, my friends!!!”

And yeah, I agree that If Romney appears defensive at all about his faith it is going to hurt him.

Kataklysmic on May 17, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Democrats advocated sterilization of minorities. Before that, they very strongly supported slavery — to the point of fighting a war to defend the institution.

logis on May 17, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Since Romney knows they are going to hit Mormonism anyway, go in for the preemptive strike and start out the religion wars with Obama on the defense? It’s risky, but I suppose anything is going to be better than “Fight with me, my friends!!!”

And yeah, I agree that If Romney appears defensive at all about his faith it is going to hurt him.

Kataklysmic on May 17, 2012 at 6:15 PM

I wouldn’t make Wright a centerpioece of the campaign, but I most definitely wouldn’t be afraid of pointing him out the way McCain was afraid.

ddrintn on May 17, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Black men couldn’t hold the Priesthood (Every man gets the chance to hold this when they turn 18 years of age) until 1978.

That isn’t that long ago.

portlandon on May 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

That isn’t exactly correct.

Gunlock Bill on May 17, 2012 at 6:17 PM

herdgadfly on May 17, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Keep dreaming. Romney isn’t afraid of any attack on LDS — in fact, just this morning he made a statement that pretty much sets out that any attack on it as the bigotry that it is. And unlike Obama, when the heat is on Romney isn’t going to throw his church under the bus.

Dark Star on May 17, 2012 at 6:18 PM

CNN contributors: If Rev. Wright is fair game, so is Mormonism’s racial history

are you kidding me?! this is bullcrap. even if the superpac never made that plan, the libs would still feel free to go over the mormon church’s racial history. now they act like they’re gonna do it just because of the superpac’s plan? please.

Sachiko on May 17, 2012 at 6:19 PM

This is going to happen..

The gays hate the Mormons more than anyone else. They won’t let this go.

The race card is always popular.

BTW: Did anyone else notice that Al Sharpton is much thinner than he used to be? (Maybe he’s doing pilates and dieting with Miley, but I doubt it. )

CrazyGene on May 17, 2012 at 6:19 PM

I personally would love to see the financial smack down the LDS Church would level against these organizations.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on May 17, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Zero. Not the LDS church’s style.

Prediction? Not so much as a lawsuit.

Prufrock on May 17, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Mormonism happened to be born right at the pinnacle of American racism. That racism rubbed off on the Church Founders.

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

From Wikipedia…

During his presidential campaign, he proposed abolishing slavery by 1850 and compensating slaveholders[415] through sale of public lands.[416] Smith did not believe blacks to be genetically inferior to whites;[417] he welcomed both freemen and slaves into the church.[418] But he opposed baptizing slaves without permission of their masters, and he opposed miscegenation.[419]

You were saying something about racism?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on May 17, 2012 at 6:20 PM

In fact, I would welcome CNN going down that particular road because George Romney, Mitt’s father, stood up to the Mormon Church. George Romney was a very outspoken proponent of civil rights. The Mormon church sent a delegation to see him to get him to “tone it down”. George Romney refused.

crosspatch on May 17, 2012 at 5:52 PM

You keep saying that. Do you have any proof?

Gunlock Bill on May 17, 2012 at 6:20 PM

The Mormon Church, considering its early history, never wanted to be in a position to beg for food, clothing, or shelter from the government or anybody. They want to be self-sufficient. They’ve certainly accomplished that. Good for them. It’s even truer now that any charity you get will have strings attached.

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 6:20 PM

btw –
CNN Hits Lowest Primetime Demo Rating at 9 PM In 15 Years
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn-hits-lowest-primetime-demo-rating-at-9-pm-in-15-years_b128451

Things like the stupidity exhibited by these partisan / bigoted CNN morons is why.

rayra on May 17, 2012 at 6:21 PM

This must really make Harry Reid (Mormon) squirm a bit.

mouell on May 17, 2012 at 6:21 PM

You were saying something about racism?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on May 17, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I’m not saying it’s important today in 2012, but read some Brigham Young quotes on the subject.

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

HA!

FIRST!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on May 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

The term is “Bishop”. And you are no Bishop. You never will be. Don’t even try. You are a disgrace even to people who try to be Bishop.

And I thought it had been explained to you before that you most certainly may not be in the middle. You can go sit in the corner in the back of the room.

What’s that? Don’t be stupid, you know which corner. The one on the left, with all the other trolls.

RINO in Name Only on May 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Don’t tell Drew Lowell, he might wet his bed some more.

tom daschle concerned on May 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

The gays hate the Mormons more than anyone else. They won’t let this go.

Yep. That’s where the anti-LDS oppo research is going to be funded and motivated.

Ironically, the Mormons don’t, as a rule, hate the gays. And when I say “as a rule”, I mean there’s actually a rule. :)

The only dividing issue here is marriage, which LDS theology takes far more seriously than… pretty much anyone else. So you can see why it would be something worth taking a stand on.

Prufrock on May 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

You keep saying that. Do you have any proof?

Gunlock Bill on May 17, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Is a picture of George Romney marching in a civil rights protest enough for you? Cause here it is:

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/urban-game-changer/2012/mar/13/mitt-romney-civil-rights-governor-george-romney/

Dark Star on May 17, 2012 at 6:23 PM

It’s even truer now that any charity you get will have strings attached.

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 6:20 PM

As someone who’s familiar with the process, let me clarify.

No strings.

Prufrock on May 17, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Black men couldn’t hold the Priesthood (Every man gets the chance to hold this when they turn 18 years of age) until 1978.

That isn’t that long ago.

portlandon on May 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Hmmm…well women can’t be priests in the Catholic church. They couldn’t be rabbis here until 1972. Not sure what your point is. As for racism, we really don’t want to go there considering Rev. Wright’s close association with Louis Farrakhan.

Deanna on May 17, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Was he wrong in his post?

Yes!

No, you should try arguing the statement if it was wrong…

right2bright on May 17, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Done!

Gunlock Bill on May 17, 2012 at 6:25 PM

I wouldn’t make Wright a centerpioece of the campaign, but I most definitely wouldn’t be afraid of pointing him out the way McCain was afraid.

ddrintn on May 17, 2012 at 6:17 PM

..are you calming down and making more sense..or am I?

The War Planner on May 17, 2012 at 6:26 PM

As someone who’s familiar with the process, let me clarify.

No strings.

Prufrock on May 17, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Government charity has no strings?

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Schadenfreude,

Did he say Obama incessantly lies or did he just call him “a politician”?

Answer: Yes

fogw on May 17, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Government charity has no strings?

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 6:26 PM

No. LDS charity.

Prufrock on May 17, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I know. Let’s talk about the catastrophic job that PBHO’s done on our economy and how Mitt can bring back growth and jobs.

MJBrutus on May 17, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I’m not saying it’s important today in 2012, but read some Brigham Young quotes on the subject.

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Read them, and seen them all. Brigham Young was far more, “of the world”, on the subject than Joseph was.

Joseph Smith seemed more than happy to add all men to the Priesthood. Elijah Able for instance.

This PDF article written by Edward L. Kimball, son of Spencer W. Kimball, is an excellent, and I consider it the best source, when discussing the change in policy.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on May 17, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Government charity has no strings?

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 6:26 PM

No. LDS charity.

Prufrock on May 17, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I didn’t say it did. I was explaining why Mormons don’t want to be indebted to government or anybody else.

RBMN on May 17, 2012 at 6:30 PM

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