Walker points to new survey showing net gain of 33K jobs in first year
posted at 12:41 pm on May 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
As people often say, there are lies, damned lies, and … statistics. We deal with jobs-related data on a regular basis, but the collation and promulgation of the final numbers are sometimes a mystery to people. The Current Employment Survey, for instance, is basically a poll with a fairly large sample, and from that we get most of our demographic information on employment and unemployment, as well as the overall jobless rate. A separate survey, the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages, focuses on payrolls and tends to be much more inclusive but give a lot less demographic data.
None of this would be terribly interesting under normal circumstances except to data geeks like myself, but it’s about to become a big issue in the Wisconsin recall:
In an unusual effort to rebut bad news on the jobs front, the Walker administration is speeding up release of new numbers showing job gains rather than job losses in Wisconsin last year.
The numbers come from a source familiar to many economists but one that hasn’t figured until now in the state’s highly politicized jobs debate heading into the June 5 recall election: the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages.
The new figures, provided to the Journal Sentinel on Tuesday, cover the final three months of 2011.
State officials said they show a gain of 23,321 jobs (public and private) between December 2010 and December 2011, which represents Gov. Scott Walker’s first full year in office.
That stands in sharp contrast to a commonly used and widely reported monthly jobs measure, the Current Employment Survey, which earlier this year showed an estimated loss of 33,900 jobs in Wisconsin for the same 12-month period.
Barrett’s campaign is accusing Walker of cherry-picking data and playing politics by accelerating the publication of the CEW results. However, the accusation of cherry-picking is nonsense. The CEW is an actual census of employers in the state, not a survey based on a sample of households. Businesses in the private sector are required by tax law to share payroll records with federal and state governments, which makes this census much more reliable than the CES. The CES is more useful because it reports on a monthly basis rather than quarterly and includes much more detail on demographics, and while the long-standing survey technique makes it reliable for trend indicators, it would never be as accurate as a census.
Even the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel admits this, albeit a few more paragraphs into the story:
The other numbers, from the Quarterly Census, tell a more positive story, one the Walker administration is in a hurry to get out. They are based on a jobs count, not a survey. Each state gathers the quarterly census data from virtually all employers in both the public and private sectors, which are mandated to share staff and wage data as part of their tax and unemployment insurance reports. That makes it a more reliable source of employment data, state officials and many economists say.
As far as playing politics by speeding the release of the numbers, well, that’s an arguable point, with a double edge to it. Does Barrett really want to argue that voters should be left in the dark on the true status of the economy in Wisconsin when they go to the polls in three weeks? That’s an odd position to take, although considering his own track record as mayor of Milwaukee, perhaps an understandable one.
Meanwhile, Wisconsin seems to have a crime wave breaking out, as a series of fires in Fox Point all have one thing in common (via Katie Pavlich):
Vandals are torching pro-Walker yard signs, and now homeowners and neighbors are worried the crimes could escalate.
Someone set fire to at least five Walker campaign signs here in Fox Point.
Jamie Schumaker came out of his Fox Point home to get the paper Sunday morning to find his small Governor Walker campaign sign reduced to ashes, a sign he put up just the day before. …
The Fox Point Police Department said they’ve had several complaints of burned Walker signs and in response, they plan to put out extra patrols.
Classy to the end, this recall will be.
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Sixty percent youth unemployment in a godless European state…yeah, I don’t see anything bad happening as a result.
NotCoach on May 10, 2013 at 7:24 PM
When whoa is spelled woah it causes me woe.
viking01 on May 10, 2013 at 7:26 PM
The New Normal
Grunt on May 10, 2013 at 7:26 PM
rogerb on May 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM
Me thinks,this is gonna be ripe,for the Annul European
Burning of the Cars Open Season!
Let KAOS Reign!!!
(sarc)
canopfor on May 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM
Almost as though greater supply diminished relative value.
Guess not.
Teratoma.
Axe on May 10, 2013 at 7:29 PM
I haven’t done the economic research to prove this, but allow me to assert the following:
any society with that large a percentage of its young people unemployed is basically pre-revolutionary. The kindling is abundant, laying about, and already smoking, all that’s needed is charismatic hot air.
Robert_Paulson on May 10, 2013 at 7:34 PM
Pedant. :) The irony doesn’t survive because the underlying metaphor is broken. The talk would be strong if it were true. It’s weak only because it’s false. And the silliness of the structure being weak by definition should be clear now as well.
Axe on May 10, 2013 at 7:35 PM
One of the things that nobody in our biased media don’t tell us that socialist job protection laws have created a two tired system. You are either part time, or you have a job for life with all kinds of benefits and protections that make it very costly to get rid of a bad worker once they are hired in permanent.
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/08/146538406/labor-law-changes-may-offer-relief-for-spains-youth
http://www.npr.org/2012/06/09/154595408/the-young-and-the-jobless-hopes-on-hold-in-spain
The articles are about Spain, but Greece has a very similar system that also prevents its youth from getting decent jobs. A little icky laissez faire from the capitalist side of the fence could be just want the economy needs
Wood Dragon on May 10, 2013 at 7:37 PM
Racist.
Axe on May 10, 2013 at 7:37 PM
Nicely put.
rogerb on May 10, 2013 at 7:38 PM
And this is Ubama bin Barack O Crack’s vision for the US?
Our Great Idiot is a low information historically challenged ignoramus.
Mm-mm, gonna turn y’all all into corPseman and The Walking Dead.
Sherman1864 on May 10, 2013 at 7:41 PM
Soon, those lifetime jobs won’t mean squat if you are dead, if you get my drift….
redguy on May 10, 2013 at 7:42 PM
Hater!
Sherman1864 on May 10, 2013 at 7:42 PM
See my post above…..
redguy on May 10, 2013 at 7:43 PM
We live in interesting times.
tom daschle concerned on May 10, 2013 at 7:47 PM
Geez. People can’t even spell h8r correctly anymore.
And now I’m filled with woe. :)
Axe on May 10, 2013 at 7:49 PM
Keep in mind that all EU un/employment rates are padded by “make work” and disability programs that make USA look weirdly low.
ParisParamus on May 10, 2013 at 7:51 PM
Can’t we all just get along?
viking01 on May 10, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Communist.
Axe on May 10, 2013 at 7:53 PM
Pervert !!!!
viking01 on May 10, 2013 at 7:58 PM
We have to destroy the youth in order to subsidize them.
aquaviva on May 10, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Greek youths don’t want to work anyway, it takes time away from rioting in hoodies.
Daemonocracy on May 10, 2013 at 8:09 PM
. . . touché.
Axe on May 10, 2013 at 8:19 PM
Coming to America.
CW on May 10, 2013 at 8:23 PM
About the same as black youth in some American cities.
Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 8:29 PM
Woah!!!!!!!!
KS Rex on May 10, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Greece has a minimum wage of $5/hour — more than half of the US’s, without nearly the GDP per capita. No wonder the youth unemployment is catastrophic.
Count to 10 on May 10, 2013 at 9:03 PM
Ssshhh. They are okay with it because the REB is their brother, or something.
slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2013 at 9:07 PM
Wow! 60% not working. No wonder Obama wants to be like Europe; he doesn’t like working either.
KW64 on May 10, 2013 at 9:21 PM
Hard to imagine how they could ensure civil order.
echosyst on May 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM
Every time you talk about jobs in Texas some lefty thinks they are making a witty comeback when they say, “Yeah there are jobs in Texas, but only if you want to work at Home Depot or Walmart!!!11″
This shows why those jobs are important to the overall health of the economy. Where else are people 16-24 with no job experience supposed to work? If you tax, regulate, and hike the minimum wage until the Home Depot and the Walmart jobs disappear, you end up with 60% youth unemployment. The reality is, when you are 17 and you don’t know your a$$ from your elbows, your labor probably isn’t worth $15-20/hr. It is probably worth $7.
bitsy on May 10, 2013 at 11:30 PM
The obvious solution is to raise the minimum wage.
Wino on May 10, 2013 at 11:38 PM
Any culture the world over has a vested interest in keeping the young men employed. Because they are the first group to go looking for alternative solutions to useless vote-casting when their personal situation gets bad enough…or even if it hasn’t.
Idle hands really are the devil’s workshop, just ask Communists trolling American colleges. Spoiled middle- and upper-class brats away from mommy and daddy are one of their prime recruitment groups.
MelonCollie on May 10, 2013 at 11:39 PM
So let’s import twenty million Mexicans to take those jobs! That’ll help yute unemployment!
slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2013 at 11:39 PM
I count myself unbelievably blessed to have a full-time job as an dial-up abuse receptacle for the great unwashed. No sarc, no snark. Better jobs simply are not to be had.
MelonCollie on May 10, 2013 at 11:41 PM
I’d agree that they’re basically in a pre-revolutionary situation. What do they revolt to, though? They’re already socialists and commies for the most part. Jeffersionian Democracy is most likely out. I guess your other choices are Pol Pot or Hitler. Pretty ugly stuff.
trigon on May 11, 2013 at 2:03 AM
Maybe, they should host the Olympics… Wait.
Fallon on May 11, 2013 at 9:55 AM
The only thing that is left to do is wait for the next Hitler to show up.
Dollayo on May 11, 2013 at 10:55 AM
We shouldn’t laugh-this is where Obama is taking us-a Freak Tragedy.
MaiDee on May 11, 2013 at 11:28 AM
The next one will have two main problems: putting some spine back into his fellow men, and taking on a religious group that actually fights back. I’m not sure right off which one will be harder…they’re BOTH tall orders!
MelonCollie on May 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM