Tom Coburn: Obama told me he’s willing to go a long way to reform entitlements in his second term

posted at 10:02 pm on May 15, 2012 by Allahpundit

He did once famously say, “After my election I have more flexibility.”

Second look at restoring fiscal sustainability by selling out everything your welfare-state base holds dear?

EK: It seems your view is that just as the market needs to have faith in your demographics and in the flexibility of your labor market and the competitiveness, it has to have faith in your political system’s capacity to deal with long and short-term threats. Do you see any reason for the market to have that faith right now?

TC: No. One of my biggest worries is what happens if Romney wins and Republicans control both chambers, do they have the courage to do what it takes to fix the country? It’s kind of their last chance. If they’re given the favor of control and they don’t act on it, why should you ever trust them again? You shouldn’t. It’ll be the death knell of the Republican Party. They controlled it all for four years under Bush and grew the government. They created a new entitlement with no revenue. Went against the very tenets of what they said they believe.

One of the reasons I wrote the book was to show a whole lot of people how many stupid things we do. I don’t really blame presidents too much. You gotta get appropriations. I say the problem is not that we don’t get along. We get along too well. Government is twice the size it was 10 years ago. The president can’t spend the money if we don’t appropriate it. So it’s not a president problem. It’s a congressional problem.

EK: On the other side of that hypothetical, let’s say Obama wins, but Republicans hold the House and maybe even take the Senate. How do they act in that hypothetical? Are they more or less willing to compromise with Obama?

TC: I don’t know. I’m not good at predicting that. If President Obama is president again, those problems are still there and we have to solve them. He knows that. We’ve had conversations where he’s told me he’ll go much further than anyone believes he’ll go to solve the entitlement problem if he can get the compromise. And I believe him. I believe he would.

Didn’t he tell us once before that he wanted entitlement reform done by the end of his first term? Why the hesitation, champ? You just earned yourself a giant line of credit with the left by siding with them on their favorite boutique issue. Cash in.


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And we’ll all retire slightly older and a little poorer, but in relative bliss. You can visit my cottage in France. I hear real estate is going to be cheap there, soon.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

sounds like everyone but you will need a fire extinguisher.

He’s a marxist. He couldn’t give a rat’s @ss about posterity, because he believes he’s right.

He’s only a pragmatist during election years.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Tom Colburn is personally conservative, however when the fight is on the line Colburn “compromises” which in the Senate is a total capitulation.

If Colburn and the other GOP “conservatives” had any balls they would be in continual filibuster and be daily wrecking havoc with Harry Reid.

Instead Colburn’s conservatives let Reid abdicate on “recess appointments” a direct violation of Senate rules.

mathewsjw on May 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

the Mittbots thought it was nifty when Coburn dumped on Newt. How does this pantload feel now??

rik on May 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Tom Coburn, Obama’s new favorite Republican and useful idiot.

RJL on May 15, 2012 at 10:34 PM

This is a little sad, the way you guys are trashing your boy Coburn for a one-paragraph statement. This is why nobody can or should work with you – you’re insane.
urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Kinda like “Mission accomplished”? Or how about “macaca”?

Buy Danish on May 15, 2012 at 10:29 PM

In those cases, we were trashing

your

boy. In this case, you’re eating one of your own. Very Leninist.

What you don’t understand is that he’s a pragmatist. We all know that reform is inevitable. But we’re not going to do it the Paul Ryan way

ROFL

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 10:29 PM

The guy extended the Bush tax cuts, failed to nationalize or break up the banks when he had a chance, escalated Afghanistan and offs terrorists via drone and invokes national security like I order another beer on a Saturday night. He’s damn near a Republican.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Tom Colburn is personally conservative, however when the fight is on the line Colburn “compromises” which in the Senate is a total capitulation.

If Colburn and the other GOP “conservatives” had any balls they would be in continual filibuster and be daily wrecking havoc with Harry Reid.

Instead Colburn’s conservatives let Reid abdicate on “recess appointments” a direct violation of Senate rules.

mathewsjw on May 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Right on…

Colburn ….out!

Electrongod on May 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Obama lies so much he doesn’t even know if he’s ever told the truth …….. Fire him November 6, then it won’t matter……..

angrymike on May 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM

He can’t be this stupid.

gophergirl on May 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I’m beginning to think the Democrats put something in the water that turns Republicans into beta males.

Gladtobehere on May 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM

He’s damn near a Republican.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Yet you still stroke his jock every chance you get.

“Elitist”. Ha. You’re like a very plain girl who thinks that acting slutty will make her hot.

WeekendAtBernankes on May 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

If I were a patient of Dr. Coburn’s I’d be looking to switch doctors. STAT!

Mitoch55 on May 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 10:29 PM

I read a column this week by Trudy Rubin where she referred to BHO as a centrist POTUS and the GOP has been taken over by extremists…LOL.

d1carter on May 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

He’s damn near a Republican.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Warn someone before you type something that outlandish. I just choked on my drink when I read that.

gophergirl on May 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Joe Lieberman.

Kataklysmic on May 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Right on…

Colburn ….out!

Electrongod on May 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM

In all seriousness. Primary season is over.

Focus on the enemy.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I’m beginning to think the Democrats put something in the water that turns Republicans into beta males.

Gladtobehere on May 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM

That’s why I’m hoping this new crop of GOP candidates wins. A lot of them seem to be of the Alpha type.

My kind of men :)

gophergirl on May 15, 2012 at 10:39 PM

I always thought Coburn acted weird when he was around the One. Maybe he’s totally evolved!

rik on May 15, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Some reporter needs to ask Obama if this is true.

Obama must start telling the country what’s his real program for the second term.

And if he’s walking around lying to Senators and foreign Presidents.

joana on May 15, 2012 at 10:41 PM

You can visit my cottage in France. I hear real estate is going to be cheap there, soon.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Ah yes, I’ve heard of your French “cottage.”

Psychiatry calls it Figment d’Imagination.

viking01 on May 15, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Gladtobehere on May 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM

I think you’re going to have to go further along the Greek alphabet than beta!

INC on May 15, 2012 at 10:44 PM

More proof that we needs term limits,

Coburn started out great in his first term, but drifting left in in his 2nd. By his 3rd term he will start penning love poems to Harry Reid, by his 4th he will go full Lugar retard.

Norwegian on May 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

If Colburn and the other GOP “conservatives” had any balls they would be in continual filibuster and be daily wrecking havoc with Harry Reid.

Based on many similar comments, it’s fair to say the right wing fascists are coming out of the woodwork. Yes, filibuster until a single party state emerges, at which point democracy and compromise are unnecessary.

There’s nothing more amusing than hearing some of you nuts talk about protecting the Constitution and then advocate the violation of core principles of our Founding Fathers. The republic was designed to protect the people from the arbitrary rule of a majority and force competing interests to engage in compromise. Today’s right wing nuts are the worst nightmare of the Founding Fathers come true.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

You can visit my cottage in France. I hear real estate is going to be cheap there, soon.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Is your “French cottage” related to Chris Dodd’s “Irish cottage”?

Did you get the “Thank God We’re A Countrywide Party” VIP interest rate that is set up for all good Democrats?

Resist We Much on May 15, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Based on many similar comments, it’s fair to say the right wing fascists are coming out of the woodwork. Yes, filibuster until a single party state emerges, at which point democracy and compromise are unnecessary

You mean like executive signing orders and czars? got it.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 10:47 PM

The guy extended the Bush tax cuts, failed to nationalize or break up the banks when he had a chance, escalated Afghanistan and offs terrorists via drone and invokes national security like I order another beer on a Saturday night. He’s damn near a Republican.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM

What, is this where I jump in and say “Right on!”?

You should try categorizing all the lies that the TFGP sold you since 2008, you would have quite the mountain when finished and there’s still half a year to go in his stint. But you will still vote for him again.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Yes, filibuster until a single party state emerges, at which point democracy and compromise are unnecessary.

we will test that sentiment soon enough.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Crack is the only explanation. Obama is his dealer so Coburn has to say nice things about him to score his rocks.

andy85719 on May 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Obama also was extremely opposed to Super PACs once upon a time.

Get it in writing, Tom.

Good Lt on May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

He can’t be this stupid.

gophergirl on May 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

What happened? Did Glenn Beck radio re-program history again? What about Boehner’s “grand bargain” with Obama to cut entitlement spending, did the thought police outlaw that memory?

The only reason that Obama and Boehner haven’t already cut spending is because Tea Party outrage forced Boehner to abandon the deal.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

This is not a “Nixon goes to China” moment. This isn’t even a “Sista Soulja moment.” This is just a liar doing what he does best: lying.

Senator Coburn, you want us to play the frog to Obama’s scorpion. You’ve been in DC too long.

OhioCoastie on May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Me thinks it time for the cavalry to water their horses.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Some people never learn. Do not trust a snake.

paul1149 on May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Ughhhhh. Coburn is a RINO supporter of McCain and “the club” in the Senate.

Coburn has done NOTHING for his state but rail against the pitiful amounts that make up “earmarks”.

He won his last race because the Dems put up a Lib and voters in the state won’t go for that.

GO AWAY TOM!!!!!

PappyD61 on May 15, 2012 at 10:52 PM

What happened? Did Glenn Beck radio re-program history again? What about Boehner’s “grand bargain” with Obama to cut entitlement spending, did the thought police outlaw that memory?

The only reason that Obama and Boehner haven’t already cut spending is because Tea Party outrage forced Boehner to abandon the deal.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

That, plus the huge accompanying tax increases. So did you buy aapl???

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Based on many similar comments, it’s fair to say the right wing fascists are coming out of the woodwork. Yes, filibuster until a single party state emerges, at which point democracy and compromise are unnecessary.
bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

“Well, what we’re going to have to do is continue to make progress on the economy over the next several months. And where Congress is not willing to act, we’re going to go ahead and do it ourselves.”

-President Obama

“What I’m not gonna do is wait for Congress. So wherever we have an opportunity and I have the executive authority to go ahead and get some things done, we’re just gonna go ahead and do ‘em.”

-President Obama

So bayam, you and I should meet at the voting booth in November. We can go vote for Mitt to keep the fascist right-winger Obama out of office, then we can get a beer.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 10:53 PM

FYI have relatives in Oklahoma and they remind ne that Palin-McCain won all 77 counties in the state in 2008.

This is Toms last term and it’s a good thing.

PappyD61 on May 15, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Obama would do entitlement reform, but only if a massive tax increase was part of the package.

Wigglesworth on May 15, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Coburn equals pink slip….do you really after 3 and half years of this bozo that you can believe anything he says….Mr coburn, you may just have fallen off of the turnip truck but we haven’t…..

crosshugger on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

The only reason that Obama and Boehner haven’t already cut spending is because Tea Party outrage forced Boehner to abandon the deal.
bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM

False. Boehner had agreed to a deal but O reneged on it. He does not negotiate in good faith.

Buy Danish on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I heartily recommend facebook ipo.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Based on many similar comments, it’s fair to say the right wing fascists are coming out of the woodwork.
bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Chuckle just another fallacious argument from one of the most dishonest posters ever.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

So bayam, you and I should meet at the voting booth in November. We can go vote for Mitt to keep the fascist right-winger Obama out of office, then we can get a beer.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Which recent President hasn’t often employed executive orders to achieve his agenda? It’s as if Obama has set a precedent. Do you really not know any better?

It’s not the Dems that are refusing to compromise. There’s never been any question that spending cuts are on the table when matched with revenue increases. You may want to read Olympia Snowe or Orrin Hatch if you actually don’t know which political faction is preventing Congress from legislating.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Oh, and crispy creme. Ooops. you missed that one.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 10:59 PM

There’s never been any question that spending cuts are on the table when matched with revenue increases.

except with Reagan and Bush 1

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Based on many similar comments, it’s fair to say the right wing fascists are coming out of the woodwork.
bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Chuckle just another fallacious argument from one of the most dishonest posters ever.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Please, help me understand how our Founding Fathers didn’t consider compromise a core tenet of our democracy. You’re better at name-calling than contributing something of value.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Don’t forget Solyndra and LightSquared….

viking01 on May 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

There’s nothing more amusing than hearing some of you nuts talk about protecting the Constitution and then advocate the violation of core principles of our Founding Fathers. The republic was designed to protect the people from the arbitrary rule of a majority and force competing interests to engage in compromise. Today’s right wing nuts are the worst nightmare of the Founding Fathers come true.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

So all that arbitrary rule from 2006 to 2010 was just fine by you, right? The last 5 years under a mostly democratic controlled congress was also ok I am guessing. The founding fathers, when trying to protect this country in the Constitution, had you in mind.

bluemarlin on May 15, 2012 at 11:02 PM

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Ok, you got me on that one. In fairness I should have mentioned all the compromise that the demorats gave to the GOP during the passage of ObamaCare and the trillion buck stimulus.

For some reason the words “I won” keep popping into my head and distracting me.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Please, help me understand how our Founding Fathers didn’t consider compromise a core tenet of our democracy. You’re better at name-calling than contributing something of value.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Please help me understand how our founders found an income tax justifiable.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Don’t forget Solyndra and LightSquared….

viking01 on May 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

HEY. SHHHH. I am going to make a killing on those!!!

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM

As an Oklahoman, I am ready for Coburn to go as he has turned to the dark side. Why is it that the congressfolk in Washington cannot see what we all see about Obama? We all know what he is and they don’t seem to. That is frightening!

silvernana on May 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM

sn’t this the same Coburn who said during the heat of the healthcare debate that Nancy Pelosi is “a nice lady”?

He started out well, but has now become a poster boy for term limits. Somebody in OK, please primary him…STAT!

parteagirl on May 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Which recent President hasn’t often employed executive orders

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

You’re such a dupe and so in the bag. Obama’s attitude has been unlike very few Presidents. Funny you ignored the premise of the post you addressed.

Based on many similar comments, it’s fair to say the right wing fascists are coming out of the woodwork.
bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

You’re better at name-calling than contributing something of value.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

You would know. You’re really pathetic.

Listen Obama has said he does not care what the right thinks yet you defend him. You’re a hypocrite. You prove it in almost every post.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM

wake up oklahoma! time to primary obamas useful idiot.

renalin on May 15, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Please, help me understand how our Founding Fathers didn’t consider compromise a core tenet of our democracy.
bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Of course I never suggested such a thing….you’re a master at the fallacious argument. A gold star for you sweetie.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:12 PM

HEY. SHHHH. I am going to make a killing on those!!!

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I always tell my broker to keep trying to buy TWA and if Steve “US Festival” Wozniak says to buy as much Facebook as possible “no matter the price” then it is bound to be the same mammoth bargain as Dutch East India Company and Pony Express, presently.

viking01 on May 15, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Yet you still stroke his jock every chance you get.

“Elitist”. Ha. You’re like a very plain girl who thinks that acting slutty will make her hot.

WeekendAtBernankes on May 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

I’m not even sure what this means.

Yo

u can visit my cottage in France. I hear real estate is going to be cheap there, soon.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Ah yes, I’ve heard of your French “cottage.”

Psychiatry calls it Figment d’Imagination.

viking01 on May 15, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Actually, I think once can retire to rural France — avoiding the hotspots of the Riviera — for a relatively modest sum. But I have a decade or so to figure it out.

The guy extended the Bush tax cuts, failed to nationalize or break up the banks when he had a chance, escalated Afghanistan and offs terrorists via drone and invokes national security like I order another beer on a Saturday night. He’s damn near a Republican.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM

What, is this where I jump in and say “Right on!”?

You should try categorizing all the lies that the TFGP sold you since 2008, you would have quite the mountain when finished and there’s still half a year to go in his stint. But you will still vote for him again.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Actually, he’s been pretty good about keeping his word. He never promised to — and no one expected him to — nationalize or break up the banks, though the latter action would probably have been a good idea. He pledged to escalate Afghanistan and hinted about his affection for drones. The extension of the tax cuts was a plausible deal in a recession — I am unpersuaded he could have gotten better.

So, I’d say his batting average is actually relatively high.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM

The question is: WHAT EXACTLY DOES OBAMA MEAN WHEN HE SAYS HE IS INTERESTED IN GOING MUCH FARTHER ON ENTITLEMENT REFORM IN HIS SECOND TERM?

What he has said his ultimate goal is would be SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE in the style of the NHS in Britain, as favored by his recess appointee to oversee Medicare, Dr. Donald Berwwick.

What does that mean? IT means extreme rationing of health care to the elderly and disabled to pay for ‘preventative care’ and full care services for everyone who is 50 years old and under because those are an individuals ‘most productive years’ according to Berwick.

Translated: Remember a conversation with Biden and Obama on television during the last ‘health care debate’? Biden looked straight into the camera and said that at age 72 people should no longer be given more expensive care, including cancer and coronary treatment as well hip and knee replacements. Obama, when asked what to do about an elderly lady with a heart arrhythmia ( condition with an unstable heart beat requiring a pace maker) suggested that she should be ‘sent home with pain pills’. He went on to say that elderly people should be given more ‘palliative care’ rather than the testing and surgeries, therapies, or medications thy require to treat their conditions.

Why? So that the funds can be used to provide preventative care, treatment, testing, and medications for younger, healthier people with NO COST SHARE OR CO-PAYS.These benefits for younger people would include, but certainly not be limited to, free birth control, abortions on demand, obesity treatments, counseling and therapies, and unlimited drug and alcohol rehabilitation treatments.

They are not FREE. They will be at the expense of the pain, suffering and untimely deaths of seniors, the disabled, and veterans whose care will be cut to provide for these healthy, working age, adults. Children are already covered, the poor are already covered, seniors and the disabled are currently covered, veterans are currently covered, that just leaves the young, healthy, working age adults. To extend the ‘preventative and comprehensive care’ that the Obama administration wishes to extend them would mean cutting services and coverage to all other groups.

The NHS is broke. Cameron and the Parliament are working feverishly to try and re-introduce private heath care insurance back into the system in order to improve the quality and accessibility of care. 14,000 seniors die each year in Britain from treatable cancer because they were denied testing and/or treatment. Testing and treatment that is currently provided under Medicare. The NHS has been racked by scandals including patients dying in hospital beds from THIRST because no one answered their pleas for water because ‘nurses’ and staff didn’t speak or read English well enough to follow simple instructions on a chart a because of outright incompetence and indifference by nursing staff. Patients are being treated in corridors because beds are not available due to overcrowding and hospitals have been found to be filthy. These are conditions that would arise here if we had a similar system.

YET.. this is the system used as a model by the Obama administration.

THIS is what I think Obama means by ‘going farther on entitlement reform’.

thatsafactjack on May 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM

You’re better at name-calling than contributing something of value.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Somewhere a happy Sarah Palin laughs and points.

viking01 on May 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Why is it that the congressfolk in Washington cannot see what we all see about Obama? We all know what he is and they don’t seem to. That is frightening!

You mean people who interact with Obama at a personal level have a different impression of him than those educated about Obama by Glenn Beck and Rush? Shocking! Rush knows everything!

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM

I always tell my broker to keep trying to buy TWA and if Steve “US Festival” Wozniak says to buy as much Facebook as possible “no matter the price” then it is bound to be the same mammoth bargain as Dutch East India Company and Pony Express, presently.

viking01 on May 15, 2012 at 11:12 PM

TWA???? What about it???

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM

You mean people who interact with Obama at a personal level have a different impression of him than those educated about Obama by Glenn Beck and Rush? Shocking! Rush knows everything!

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM

you keep defering to your betters.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM

You mean people who interact with Obama at a personal level have a different impression of him than those educated about Obama by Glenn Beck and Rush? Shocking! Rush knows everything!

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Bayam’s fallacious argument number 115567

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM

You mean people who interact with Obama at a personal level have a different impression of him than those educated about Obama by Glenn Beck and Rush? Shocking! Rush knows everything!

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Bayam’s fallacious argument number 115567

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Oh wait sorry that was you offering something of value.

/sarc

Gawd you’re a joke.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Which recent President hasn’t often employed executive orders

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

You’re such a dupe and so in the bag. Obama’s attitude has been unlike very few Presidents. Funny you ignored the premise of the post you addressed.

There you go again. Don’t facts matter more than your perception of ‘attitude’? I’m one of those dupes that relies on facts.

Barack Obama
108 orders in 3 years

George W. Bush
291 orders in 8 years

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM

I’m beginning to get the feeling that not everyone on this thread is aware that CCB, containing the recommendations made by Obama’s own deficit reduction committee, passed the house but failed to pass the senate because of 5 Democrat votes.

Kataklysmic on May 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Bayam wtf is it with you? Someone pointed out that Obama
is doing the same thing you claim the GOP is doing and
you just dance around it.

You whine about name calling and then do it yourself.

You want posts of value then continue to post the most inane thoughtless thoughts .

Yet you refuse to see it all. I suspect you just don’t want to face it about Obama OR yourself.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM

How many Czars? How many EPA regulations? 50 gallons spilled milk requires a hazmat plan?????

sad.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM

There’s nothing more amusing than hearing some of you nuts talk about protecting the Constitution and then advocate the violation of core principles of our Founding Fathers.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Pot, meet kettle.

unclesmrgol on May 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Yet you refuse to see it all. I suspect you just don’t want to face it about Obama OR yourself.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM

or hired gun

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM

You mean people who interact with Obama at a personal level have a different impression of him than those educated about Obama by Glenn Beck and Rush? Shocking! Rush knows everything!

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Actually, most of us are smart enough to have figured it out all on our own. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to be one of those.

silvernana on May 15, 2012 at 11:25 PM

There you go again. Don’t facts matter more than your perception of ‘attitude’? I’m one of those dupes that relies on facts.

dupe? YES. we CAN agree on something.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:25 PM

They controlled it all for four years under Bush and grew the government.

No they did not. The Senate requires 60 to pass anything and we never had that ever.

Not to excuse the GOP Moderates that spent like drunken sailors. Thankfully many are out and we are getting more and more out.

But it is funny watching Rove and others be so delusional that they think Romney has a real chance of winning this. Moderates have always lost since Nixon and Mitt will join the list. Though there is a small chance Obama could lose this.

Coburn is stark raving mad to believe Obama now when he promised this in 2008. Almost as mad as Rove thinking Mitt will win.

Steveangell on May 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

TWA???? What about it???

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Sometimes I wonder when there’s still Eastern and People Express to buy low, really low…

viking01 on May 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Bayam

you won’t take this advise, but you should.

You seem young.

Rule 1: If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
Rule 2: If it’s counterintuitive, there’s a reason for it.
Rule 3: Anything true can be explained to anybody
Rule 4: If you can create a coherent sentence, you should have more faith in yourself.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

So, I’d say his batting average is actually relatively high.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Those unicorn farts and rainbow rays are putting a glint in your eyes

koaiko on May 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Which recent President hasn’t often employed executive orders

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Which President promised never to employ signing statement, but has anyway?

Barack Obama
108 orders in 3 years

George W. Bush
291 orders in 8 years

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM

108 / 3 = 36 per year

291 / 8 = 36.375 per year

Wow! An average of a whole .375 fewer EOs per year!

Colour me, well, unimpressed.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Please, help me understand how our Founding Fathers didn’t consider compromise a core tenet of our democracy.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Of course they did! That’s why every slave was 3/5ths of a person rather than “not a person” or “a person”.

unclesmrgol on May 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Sometimes I wonder when there’s still Eastern and People Express to buy low, really low…

viking01 on May 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

How am I supposed to sleep at night with you messing with my retirement planning???

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:32 PM

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM

108 / 3 = 36 per year

291 / 8 = 36.375 per year

Wow! An average of a whole .375 fewer EOs per year!

Colour me, well, unimpressed.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Bayam really posted that? Heh. I suspect math isn’t one of its strengths.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Crickets…the hypocritical dishonest bit*h goes into hiding….oh please post some of your posts that are so full of value and devoid of name calling. Please.

Sheesh Bayam you are a hoot.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Every time Coburn opens his mouth he sounds stupider. Glad he’s retiring…it’s time.

Jaibones on May 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

S

o, I’d say his batting average is actually relatively high.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Those unicorn farts and rainbow rays are putting a glint in your eyes

koaiko on May 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

You’re not interested in reality.

If he hadn’t delivered, you wouldn’t hate him so much. If you didn’t hate him so much, he would have delivered more/

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:37 PM

easy Senator……

ted c on May 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Obama, the man who as one of his first acts as President was to repeal the Clinton welfare reforms which were bipartisanly acclaimed as the most successful legislation of that era, wants to enact entitlement reform? That makes me lol out loud…

Glenn Jericho on May 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM

There you go again. Don’t facts matter more than your perception of ‘attitude’? I’m one of those dupes that relies on facts.

Barack Obama
108 orders in 3 years

George W. Bush
291 orders in 8 years

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM

You do realize that did not address my point right and that does meet the definition of a fallacious argument. Fail.
Wow you are just too easy.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:39 PM

108 / 3 = 36 per year

291 / 8 = 36.375 per year

Wow! An average of a whole .375 fewer EOs per year!

Colour me, well, unimpressed.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Yes, we agree that Obama hasn’t been on an executive order rampage as suggested by right wing radio. His trajectory is no different than that of Bush.

No they did not. The Senate requires 60 to pass anything and we never had that ever.

60 votes are required by a cloture vote, but not to pass a bill. In past Senate bodies, you didn’t necessarily need 60 votes for a bill to pass unless opponents were particularly aggravated by a piece of legislation.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Will we ever learn?

Fuquay Steve on May 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

If he hadn’t delivered, you wouldn’t hate him so much. If you didn’t hate him so much, he would have delivered more/

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:37 PM

If he had delivered more for his base he’d be elected. If he gets re-elected he will deliver more for his base.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Bayam even if your point about executive orders had any weight you would have to break down what those orders were, why they were signed, and how they went with or against the wishes of the American people or against the other party. I know that would be too hard compared to your simplistic yet expected posts. You’re really not near as smart as you pretend . That is clear.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Yes, we agree that Obama hasn’t been on an executive order rampage as suggested by right wing radio.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

You cannot help yourself. The constant manufacturing of straw man is just so friggin obvious yet hilarious at the same time.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Bayam even if your point about executive orders had any weight you would have to break down what those orders were, why they were signed, and how they went with or against the wishes of the American people or against the other party. I know that would be too hard compared to your simplistic yet expected posts. You’re really not near as smart as you pretend . That is clear.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:42 PM

And their timing in the president’s terms

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Coburn is a fool if he believes the biggest liar to ever occupy the WH. Plus Coburn was good friends with Oliar when he was in the Senate. No Oliar in 2012.

Alborn on May 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Bayam wtf is it with you? Someone pointed out that Obama
is doing the same thing you claim the GOP is doing and
you just dance around it.

You whine about name calling and then do it yourself.

You want posts of value then continue to post the most inane thoughtless thoughts .

Yet you refuse to see it all. I suspect you just don’t want to face it about Obama OR yourself.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Interesting what our trolls choose to avoid…it is pretty telling….laters.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Bayam…one other thing… you do realize as well that just because you can claim that another person or President did something similar that does not make your argument. That is another classic fallacious argument. I suggest you do some more research on debates and such techniques so that you can avoid them but of course you would be unable to post….hmmm…win/win.

Night. Some of us work in the AM.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 11:50 PM

60 votes are required by a cloture vote, but not to pass a bill. In past Senate bodies, you didn’t necessarily need 60 votes for a bill to pass unless opponents were particularly aggravated by a piece of legislation.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

You’ve needed 60 for cloture since Jimmy Carter’s presidency. It was 67 before then. There have been 5 POTUSes with filibuster-proof Senates, i.e., Senates with 60/67 Senators caucusing with the President’s party, since cloture was established in 1919: Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter and Obama.

As for “past Senate bodies,” I recall Democratic Senators threatening to filibuster Bush’s judicial nominees. Each party hates the filibuster when they are in power and loves it when they are in out of power. Without the filibuster, the Senate might as well be the House, which is exactly what the Founding Fathers did not want. It is supposed to be a deliberative body. It isn’t supposed to act hastily. That is why terms are 6 years and not 2. It is also why the Founders did not want the Senators to be elected directly by the people.

Resist We Much on May 15, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Riiiiiiiiiggggghhhhht. Obama will solve the problems with mini austerity that actually does nothing more than shift money around while the borrowing, printing, redistributing funds to cronies, and general theft still go on. The government will grow even more and not only that, but obambocare will not get dumped, just revised in a weaker and more expensive state than it is in now.

The only answer is to let the conservatives control both houses and the white house, then stomp on them daily until things get fixed and we’re on a track to get rid of this monsterous debt.

It’s going to take 16 years to fix what obama did in 3.5 years. Obama will only make it worse, but that’s his plan isn’t it?

We need a special charge of treason for people like him, and a minimum mandatory 5 year sentence in a STATE prison for each lie a politician utters and gets caught in. I think we also need to reduce ALL elected official position salaries to MINIMUM WAGE.

Wolfmoon on May 15, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Southern Gent:
You brought up a very interesting situation……Coburn saying he saw the bin ladin death photos. Have any of you ever questioned the truth of his death?? Remember the week it supposedly happened and the story changed hourly? Doesn’t it strike you as odd that Obama refused to show those photos? Why? He sure as hell has used anything else that could benefit him and his election and this refusal just seems out of character for the egomaniac. Who else was it that said they viewed the death photos?….Oh, yeah, John Boehner. He’s so very trustworthy. We all know we can rely on his word. Obama claimed he couldn’t show the public those photos because they would inflame the muslims BUT on the one year anniversary he goes to their country to spike the football and rub their faces in it. Wouldn’t you think that would piss them off just a bit? None of this adds up and now the SEALS are conviently dead and can’t tell tales. Obama nor his cronies have ever told us the truth about anything so why should this fantasy be any different?

MONACO1121 on May 15, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I generally like Coburn. But when it comes to Obama, he’s a complete sap.

Coburn is Charlie Brown, while Obama is Lucy holding the football.

Sorry, Coburn, I’m not fooled by that POS you call a friend.

BuckeyeSam on May 15, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Yes, we agree that Obama hasn’t been on an executive order rampage as suggested by right wing radio. His trajectory is no different than that of Bush.

bayam on May 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Now, if we could just get a list of all the regulations Mr. Obama’s administration has issued as they move forward in implementing Obamacare, we’d find that there’s about 1500 pages.

Of course, the President is trying to fix that with one of his executive orders: 13576: Delivering an Efficient, Effective, and Accountable Government

I especially love the ego stroking in that one:

My Administration is committed to ensuring that the Federal Government serves the American people with the utmost effectiveness and efficiency. Over the last 2 years, we have made good progress and have saved taxpayer dollars by cutting waste and increasing the efficiency of Government operations by curbing uncontrolled growth in contract spending, terminating poorly performing information technology projects, deploying state of the art fraud detection tools to crack down on waste, focusing agency leaders on achieving ambitious improvements in high priority areas, and opening Government up to the public to increase accountability and accelerate innovation.

The American people must be able to trust that their Government is doing everything in its power to stop wasteful practices and earn a high return on every tax dollar that is spent. To strengthen that trust and deliver a smarter and leaner Government, my Administration will reinforce the performance and management reform gains achieved thus far; systematically identify additional reforms necessary to eliminate wasteful, duplicative, or otherwise inefficient programs; and publicize these reforms so that they may serve as a model across the Federal Government.

Now, in the end, how do we achieve this elusive goal?

A: Vice President Biden holds meetings.
A: Various political appointees tell the President how well they’ve done.

At the bottom is this gem:

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

Would that all of BO’s executive orders were this innocuous — only costing us a little (as every utterance by The Won is apt to do) in comparison to the regulations his departments are issuing.

unclesmrgol on May 15, 2012 at 11:54 PM

We need a special charge of treason for people like him, and a minimum mandatory 5 year sentence in a STATE prison for each lie a politician utters and gets caught in. I think we also need to reduce ALL elected official position salaries to MINIMUM WAGE.

Wolfmoon on May 15, 2012 at 11:52 PM

OR……they are never allowed to leave the country, and all theri progeny must attend public schools. Their money must stay in dollars and in US banks.

WryTrvllr on May 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM

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