Pssst: Ron Paul has already won

posted at 2:01 pm on May 15, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Ron Paul announced yesterday that he would not campaign in any states where primaries have yet to take place, a statement that many took to be a withdrawal from the campaign.  This morning, the campaign held a conference call with the media explaining that they had no way to prevent Mitt Romney from winning the nomination outright with bound delegates, but they still hope to have a “major impact at the national convention” anyway:

Rep. Ron Paul’s campaign conceded Tuesday it probably cannot win enough delegates to be the Republican presidential nominee, though it said it still will try to play a major role at August’s convention in shaping the GOP’s rules and platform going forward.

A day after the Texas congressman told supporters he is scaling down his campaign and won’t actively compete for votes in the 11 states still to hold primaries, his campaign said Mr. Paul still will try to maximize the number of actual supporters he has going to the convention — even though in many cases they may not be able to vote for him to be the nominee over front-runner Mitt Romney.

“Several hundred will be bound to Dr. Paul, and several hundred more, although bound to Governor Romney or other candidates, will be Ron Paul supporters,” said Jesse Benton, Mr. Paul’s chief strategist, in a memo describing the state of the race.

“Unfortunately, barring something very unforeseen, our delegate total will not be strong enough to win the nomination. Governor Romney is now within 200 delegates of securing the party’s nod. However, our delegates can still make a major impact at the national convention and beyond,” Mr. Benton said.

Politico reports that the campaign wants to get more control over its supporters, seeing a series of incidents in state conventions as embarrassing and potentially harmful to their long-term plans:

In the past few days alone, several incidents cast the campaign in an unfavorable light: Mitt Romney’s son Josh was booed off the stage by Paul backers in Arizona on Saturday, and Romney surrogates Tim Pawlenty and Gov. Mary Fallin received similarly rude treatment in Oklahoma. They were the latest in a string of recent disruptions from Maine to Alaska that threatened to tarnish Paul’s legacy and marginalize the ideas he believes will one day dominate the Republican Party.

“It concerns him,” campaign chairman Jesse Benton told POLITICO. “He wants to convey to everybody and our staff want to convey that we’ll lose more than we gain if we go and we’re disrespectful. Respect and decorum are very important to Dr. Paul.”

“You need to give respect to get respect,” he added. “We are confident that there will be mutual respect at the convention. We want to make sure that we take every step we can to make sure that happens.”

Paul will retire from the House at the end of this year, and his son, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, is widely expected to run for president in 2016 as a Republican. Against that backdrop, the Paul high command worries about Pyrrhic victories: hostile takeovers at state conventions that win hordes of delegates but generate a backlash that could hurt the younger Paul in four years and prevent up-and-coming libertarians from obtaining positions of leadership in local parties.

In fact, that has been the goal all along.  While Paul’s rank-and-file supporters wanted to believe that he could win the nomination, especially at a brokered convention, that has always been an unrealistic expectation — and nothing indicates that the Paul campaign believed it.  Their focus on caucus states hints at a much different, longer-term strategy, as does their qualified exit from the remaining primaries.  As I explain in my column today for The Week, the timing has nothing to do with supposedly avoiding embarrassing losses in upcoming states, but is an indication that Paul has already succeeded:

The real story comes from the event types still left in the nomination process. All eleven contests are primaries, all but one binding on delegates. Paul cannot compete with Romney in primaries, and hasn’t bothered to even put up a fight in primaries for months. The last state with at least part of its delegate allocations from caucusing was Indiana, an event that took place last Tuesday, where Romney cleaned up. The last non-binding event takes place this week in Nebraska. After that, every state will hold binding primaries, and Paul will have no hope of winning delegates in any of them. Why waste money on a dry well? …

So what is the real endgame? Some wonder whether Paul wants to stage a demonstration at the Republican convention, which he adamantly denied last week. Rumors have also circulated that Paul would flex his muscle to get the rules changed and unbind all delegates at the convention, but he doesn’t have that kind of muscle, and it wouldn’t result in a Paul nomination even if he did. Paul’s delegates will have an impact on the party platform, which most believe is the object of Paul’s strategy, but party platforms don’t really have that much practical impact. Few people read them, and even fewer candidates feel bound to them.

Most people miss the fact that Paul has already achieved his end game, or is within a few weeks of its conclusion. The aim for Paul isn’t the convention, which is a mainly meaningless but entertaining exercise in American politics. The real goal was to seize control of party apparatuses in states that rely on caucuses. With that in hand, Paul’s organization can direct party funds and operations to recruit and support candidates that follow Paul’s platform, and in that way exert some influence on the national Republican Party as well, potentially for years to come. Paul hasn’t won every battle in that fight, but Minnesota will probably end up being more the rule than the exception.

Having that kind of organizational strength at the local and state level does more than just put Rand Paul in position to run in 2016 or 2020.  Most of those party positions will be subject to new elections within the next two years, if not sooner at the more local levels.  Paul’s supporters have to show that they will stick to their mission well enough to keep winning those elections in the precincts and Congressional districts, and then use their influence to boost candidates who follow the Paul agenda.  It’s a strategy for long-term evolution rather than momentary revolution, which is why Benton wants to tamp down on disruptions that could discredit and derail the mission before they have a chance to influence Congressional and gubernatorial elections in 2014.

Don’t be surprised if Paul makes nice with Romney before the convention, either.  He’s playing a longer game than anyone else thus far, and whatever one thinks of Paul’s platform, his strategy is undeniably succeeding.

Update: Here’s another data point for my argument:

A top campaign official for Ron Paul’s presidential campaign says there’s “no chance” that the Texas Republican congressman will endorse Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson for president over presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

“No,” campaign chairman Jesse Benton said in a response to a question from The Daily Caller about whether Paul would discuss the possibility of an endorsement with Johnson during a conference call with reporters on Tuesday. “There’s no chance of that.” …

While that’s good news for Romney, Benton said he does “not believe that that is likely” Paul will endorse Romney, though he kept the option open.

Paul is focused on transforming the GOP, not bypassing it.


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Paul is focused on transforming the GOP, not bypassing it.

Great… More fundamental transformations. And this time from a man who is bat$hit insane…

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Wacko azzwipe.

Long haired country boy on May 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Bishop

22044 on May 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM

On finance/fiscal matters his ideas s/b taken very seriously.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Bishop

22044 on May 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM

(redacted, wrong spot)

22044 on May 15, 2012 at 2:06 PM

What’s the matter, Grandpa? Libertarian Party not happening?

CurtZHP on May 15, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Rand Paul 2016. It’s on.

letoile du nord on May 15, 2012 at 2:07 PM

However, our delegates can still make a major impact at the national convention and beyond,

By embarrassing the Republican party for the whole world to see.

JPeterman on May 15, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Anyone else notice the re-birth of Ron Paul signs hung over freeway overpasses…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 2:08 PM

On finance/fiscal matters his ideas s/b taken very seriously.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Nunh Uh

Long haired country boy on May 15, 2012 at 2:09 PM

There is a bit more to winning the GOP nomination than just garnering the most delegates – even if Paul were to get enough delegates to be granted the nomination, he would still be ineligible, as party rules require that a candidate win five (six?) states in the primaries to have a shot at the nomination. Under the current numbers, only Romney and Santorum are actually eligible.

Pork-Chop on May 15, 2012 at 2:10 PM

It does make sense that Paul would not leave the GOP. He and his people are BECOMING the GOP. It seems to have gone under the radar that Paul is winning the under 40 vote…even in primary states. And he is winning the younger vote by wide margins in a lot of the states. We are already seeing the future of the GOP.

ModerateMan on May 15, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Paul is focused on transforming the GOP, not bypassing it.

And other than in the areas of national defense and foreign policy, transform away, Doctor! Except for those two — admittedly huge — areas, Paul always makes more sense than any guy on the stage.

Rational Thought on May 15, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Light a big bonfire composed of cars out back of the convention center, it will draw away the RP supporters and keep them busy until the event is safely over.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 2:12 PM

There is a bit more to winning the GOP nomination than just garnering the most delegates – even if Paul were to get enough delegates to be granted the nomination, he would still be ineligible, as party rules require that a candidate win five (six?) states in the primaries to have a shot at the nomination. Under the current numbers, only Romney and Santorum are actually eligible.

The party rules define winning a state as winning the most delegates from that state. Under these rules Paul and Romney qualify for the convention. Believe it or not Santorum may or may not qualify… depending on states like Missouri whose delegates are not completely chosen now.

ModerateMan on May 15, 2012 at 2:13 PM

His supporters should learn from Newt Gingrich, too much crazy negates great ideas.

Elizabetty on May 15, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Is this 6 or 7 presidential races he has went down in flames?

docflash on May 15, 2012 at 2:14 PM

I’ve got no problem with what he’s doing. Playing the long game for gradual transformation. If Rand has some decent foreign policy objectives, I’ll give him a look in 2016.

a capella on May 15, 2012 at 2:14 PM

You better tell the RP delegates that because they will be rude in Tampa guaranteed
If what I saw at the azgop convention happens he’ll look pretty bad

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM

In the past few days alone, several incidents cast the campaign in an unfavorable light: Mitt Romney’s son Josh was booed off the stage by Paul backers in Arizona on Saturday
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Mitt Romney’s Son Booed Offstage
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8e8_1337008924

canopfor on May 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM

On finance/fiscal matters his ideas s/b taken very seriously.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Absolutely. If I felt I could ignore his foreign policy, I wouldn’t have had much of a problem at all supporting him.

Red Cloud on May 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Rand Paul 2016. It’s on.

Unless Rand Paul is chosen as Mitt’s VP I don’t see Rand Paul in the white house until 2020 (a much more fitting year to run anyway for an eye doctor).

ModerateMan on May 15, 2012 at 2:17 PM

I really wanted to like Paul after first hearing his economic spiel but that vanished quickly once the nutburger act took stage and then I felt sheepish for taking the bait in the first place.

tommyboy on May 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Rand Paul 2016. It’s on.

letoile du nord on May 15, 2012 at 2:07 PM

If dad makes a big stink at the convention, you can kiss Rand’s political career goodbye.

Rebar on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Why do Ron Paul supporters act like they are in a cult…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Mitt Romney’s son Josh was booed off the stage by Paul backers in Arizona on Saturday, and Romney surrogates Tim Pawlenty and Gov. Mary Fallin received similarly rude treatment in Oklahoma.

That’s Paul supporters for you- classy as ever. They get downright mean when they aren’t buzzed on pot.

Happy Nomad on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

OT: Seems like The Pantload is facing another primary challenge. This time, it’s in Arkansas and this time it’s closer and this time it’s NOT a convict:

A new poll of Arkansas Democrats shows Barack Obama receiving support from only 45 percent of Democratic primary voters in Arkansas’s Fourth Congressional District, while 38 percent support his underfunded and relatively unknown primary challenger, Tennessee lawyer John Wolfe, Jr. Seventeen percent are undecided in the district poll.

The War Planner on May 15, 2012 at 2:20 PM

They should be at the Democrat convention.

NoDonkey on May 15, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Why do Ron Paul supporters act like they are in a cult…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Cult members never figure out they are in a cult until the suicide kool-aid is being passed out.

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:22 PM

I’ve got no problem with what he’s doing. Playing the long game for gradual transformation. If Rand has some decent foreign policy objectives, I’ll give him a look in 2016.

a capella on May 15, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Yep, I have listened to Rand Paul, and his fiscal conservative arguments are persuasive.

I’m not an isolationist, but what Rick Perry said about Americans being tired of Military adventurism is true IMO.

Perry/Paul 2012!

Dr Evil on May 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Paul can hopefully bring up some important economic ideas that will strengthen our country. Then he can leave and we’ll all be happy.

search4truth on May 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Paul hasn’t won every battle in that fight, but Minnesota will probably end up being more the rule than the exception.

great…what was the name of that wrestler? You know the whack job that dissed the troops and got flattened by a SEAL?

I mean the former Governor of MN…well, you know before the great state of MN elected the SNL guy

I think we can live fine without that kind of transformation.

r keller on May 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Why do Ron Paul supporters act like they are in a cult…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Cult members never figure out they are in a cult until the suicide kool-aid is being passed out.

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Oh… and even then most of them still don’t figure it out…

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM

It’s a strategy for long-term evolution rather than momentary revolution, which is why Benton wants to tamp down on disruptions that could discredit and derail the mission before they have a chance to influence Congressional and gubernatorial elections in 2014.

So Benton’s going to gag Paul until the convention? Seriously, he is nuts when it comes to national defense, national security, and international relations. The very idea that the US can/should pursue an isolationist position is absurd.

Happy Nomad on May 15, 2012 at 2:25 PM

I would say, Ed, that this is one of the best analyses if the situation I have seen and I agree. Paul is playing chess while others are playing checkers. What remains to be seen is if enough disruption has been caused by Ronulans to make some states currently using a caucus or undeclared delegate process shift to a bound delegate primary. If that happens, his work has been undone as far as the future is concerned.

Paul has an interesting problem in that his supporters are at the same time both his greatest asset and his greatest liability.

crosspatch on May 15, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Delegate Map Count,from Team Paul!!

http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/TheACTUALRepublicanDelegateCount-2012/DelegateDashboardBlog?:embed=y

canopfor on May 15, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Absolutely. If I felt I could ignore his foreign policy, I wouldn’t have had much of a problem at all supporting him.

Red Cloud on May 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM

If RP’s position on foreign policy bothers you, think about this:

The way we’re doing things will come to an end…no matter WHO wins the elections. It is about as sustainable as trying to sail around the world in a bathtub, and the only real questions are ‘when’ and ‘how’. (and by ‘how’ I mean ‘in an orderly fashion’ or ‘in chaos’)

BTW, thank you for not acting like an oxygen-wasting wingnut like so many of the others.

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:27 PM

I’m not an isolationist, but what Rick Perry said about Americans being tired of Military adventurism is true IMO.

Perry/Paul 2012!

Dr Evil on May 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM

There is middle ground between military adventurism and Paul’s stupidity.

I would suggest, however, that what we’ve seen the last 10 years is less adventurism as it was no clearly defined mission so no clear strategy. America is not set up to wage combat operations for a decade. Never has been.

Happy Nomad on May 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Also this takeaway about the recent NYT poll from a Fox article:

The Times/CBS survey is unique in that the pollsters called back the same phone numbers they had a month before. In April, Obama and Romney were dead even. Now, Romney leads by 3 points overall. That’s still within the margin of error — a statistical tie.

But the shifts with women, moderates and independents are all statistically significant. Obama lost 5 points with each of those demographics.

Team Obama has for months been warning Democrats not to be overconfident and warning of a close election, with the president increasingly sounding the alarm for donors and activists in recent campaign appearances.

..for this to register, the internals must be frightening. Our reaction should not be one of over-confidence but like a school of sharks that smell blood in the water.

The War Planner on May 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Cult members never figure out they are in a cult until the suicide kool-aid is being passed out.

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:22 PM

You mean like how you armchair generals supporting the War Onf Terror until they’re two steps from putting drones in the air over American homes? Like what’s being discussed in a thread right here at hotair?!

No wonder you’re so eager to throw the ‘cultist’ label around, it must help to soothe your guilty conscience.

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:29 PM

it must help to soothe your guilty conscience.

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:29 PM

What has Ron Paul done to stop it?

Nothing.

Exactly the same as what he’s been doing for the last 30 years.

Nothing.

Rebar on May 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM

OT: Seems like The Pantload is facing another primary challenge. This time, it’s in Arkansas and this time it’s closer and this time it’s NOT a convict:

The War Planner on May 15, 2012 at 2:20 PM

The War Planner:Heard Rush mentioning this!:)
———————————————

The Rush Limbaugh Show on 940 WMAC
Conservative from Macon, GA
****************************

http://tunein.com/tuner/?ProgramId=20617&

canopfor on May 15, 2012 at 2:33 PM

On finance/fiscal matters his ideas s/b taken very seriously.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Quite. Hopefully this is where he will have an impact on the Republican platform.

talkingpoints on May 15, 2012 at 2:33 PM

The real goal was to seize control of party apparatuses in states that rely on caucuses. With that in hand, Paul’s organization can direct party funds and operations to recruit and support candidates that follow Paul’s platform, and in that way exert some influence on the national Republican Party as well, potentially for years to come.

Wow, Ed. That’s a great analysis and interpretation of what he is doing. nice work.

ted c on May 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM

I try to like Ron, I really do, but his plan to force all Americans to tear down the fences in their yards simply isn’t tolerable.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 2:35 PM

What can Ron Paul done to stop it whe?

Nothing.

Exactly the same as what he’s been doing for the last 30 years.

Nothing.

Rebar on May 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Let’s put you up, on your lonesome, against:

-The entire military-industrial machine.
-All the paid lobbyists of the above.
-All their UNpaid supporters.

…and then see how well YOU can stop them.

Good Lord, man, not even Obama TRIED until he needed easy points with the anti-war brigade.

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Ron Paul needs a padded room.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 15, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Ah. Declare victory and go home.

corncat on May 15, 2012 at 2:36 PM

I would vote for Romney this November except for the way Ron Paul has been treated on this website. I am so tired of the smears and insults from the commentors and sadly also from the writers at hotair.com. Keep making it clear you don’t want our libertarian votes.

sirmyth on May 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

For those people that call Ron Paul “crazy” or “b@tsh1t insane” please tell me a policy he advocates operates outside of the US Constitution. Show me. The only crazy fools are the ones that love the big government candidates.

Will_Hal on May 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

I try to like Ron, I really do, but his plan to force all Americans to tear down the fences in their yards simply isn’t tolerable.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 2:35 PM

You’re just jealous of Ron Paul’s fake eyebrows!

JPeterman on May 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

With that in hand, Paul’s organization can direct party funds and operations to recruit and support candidates that follow Paul’s platform, and in that way exert some influence on the national Republican Party as well, potentially for years to come.

having Rand as an influential Senator is quite a strategic move as well, I might add.

ted c on May 15, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Ron Paul needs a padded room.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 15, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Yes, but his supporters need not only a padded cell, but several thousand milligrams of thorazine… daily…

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Why do Ron Paul supporters act like they are in a cult…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Because it is a cult. A cult built on drugs, racism and antisemitism.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 15, 2012 at 2:39 PM

I am so tired of the smears and insults from the commentors and sadly also from the writers at hotair.com. Keep making it clear you don’t want our libertarian votes.

sirmyth on May 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

oh please, give it a rest. Ed and Allah do not smear him one bit.

ted c on May 15, 2012 at 2:39 PM

If Rand discards the patently insane foreign and immigration policies promulgated by his father, he will definitely be a top-tier presidential contender in 2020…

“bat$hit insane”
SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM

“Wacko azzwipe”
Long haired country boy on May 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM

“Nunh Uh”
Long haired country boy on May 15, 2012 at 2:09 PM

…especially if he runs against candidates supported by these shining beacons of Republican intelligence.

Archivarix on May 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM

I will state that Paulnuts are some of the touchiest folks that I’ve come across though…..

ted c on May 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM

For those people that call Ron Paul “crazy” or “b@tsh1t insane” please tell me a policy he advocates operates outside of the US Constitution. Show me. The only crazy fools are the ones that love the big government candidates.

Will_Hal on May 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Derp derp, he’s an eeeevul racist Joo-H8r, dontcha know! Like I bawl about the lefties calling me, ‘cept he really IS racist. And he’s a big eye-so-lay-shun-ist! Why, he might actually stop us blowin’ up poor brown people over in Afghanny-stan!

/wingnut

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM

I will state that Paulnuts are some of the touchiest folks that I’ve come across though…..

ted c on May 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Hmm, now why might that be? Maybe it has something to do with all the Ma and Pa Kettle wannabes throwing more $hit than an out-of-control manure spreader?

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Why do Ron Paul supporters act like they are in a cult…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Cult members never figure out they are in a cult until the suicide kool-aid is being passed out.

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Oh… and even then most of them still don’t figure it out…

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM

As well as the fact that many of them are young college people, who spend most of their time playing X Box in mom’s basement, and only get out long enough once in a while to talk about how building 7 and 9/11 were an inside job, and the rest of the current Ron Paul list. That and how “Romney and Obama are exactly the same” (and you thought the 9/11 stuff was insane)

dave_ross on May 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I just can’t support candidates from Mars…

d1carter on May 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Keep making it clear you don’t want our libertarian votes.

sirmyth on May 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Just ignore it, man. A lot of us have a pretty wide libertarian streak, but can’t go the whole route. Just look at the name calling as a brushback pitch. It’s endemic around here in election years.

a capella on May 15, 2012 at 2:44 PM

They should be at the Democrat convention.
NoDonkey on May 15, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Yep.

Why, he might actually stop us blowin’ up poor brown people over in Afghanny-stan!

/wingnut

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Case in point.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Why do Ron Paul supporters act like they are in a cult…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Cult members never figure out they are in a cult until the suicide kool-aid is being passed out.

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Oh… and even then most of them still don’t figure it out…

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM

As well as the fact that many of them are young college people, who spend most of their time playing X Box in mom’s basement, and only get out long enough once in a while to talk about how building 7 and 9/11 were an inside job, and the rest of the current Ron Paul list. That and how “Romney and Obama are exactly the same” (and you thought the 9/11 stuff was insane)

dave_ross on May 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Hey now, Ron Paul supporters are the smartest most constitutionally astute patriots in America. Just ask them…

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Why do Ron Paul supporters act like they are in a cult…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Cult members never figure out they are in a cult until the suicide kool-aid is being passed out.

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:22 PM

They are passionate, like it’s a religion. Just like the cult of liberalism.

kirkill on May 15, 2012 at 2:46 PM

However, our delegates can still make a major impact at the national convention and beyond,
By embarrassing the Republican party for the whole world to see.

JPeterman on May 15, 2012 at 2:07 PM

JP…’THEY’…do have Joseph Biden!
I’ll take eyebrows over hair plugs!

KOOLAID2 on May 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM

On finance/fiscal matters his ideas s/b taken very seriously.

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Except for his record, that is. Can anyone cite any of his bills House has taken/voted on? His record, though, does show that his pork barrel appetite was only exceeded by the libs. Talk is cheap and that’s all Herr Doktor has done so far save for numerous racist newsletters he has published.

I’ll take Perry’s ideas any day as well as Newt’s ACTUAL and FACTUAL deficit reductions and budget balancing.

riddick on May 15, 2012 at 2:48 PM

The real goal was to seize control of party apparatuses in states that rely on caucuses. With that in hand, Paul’s organization can direct party funds and operations to recruit and support candidates that follow Paul’s platform, and in that way exert some influence on the national Republican Party as well, potentially for years to come.

This is a good reason do away with caucuses, and have primaries in all 50 states. It’s harder for the party “apparati” to seize control of the “cauci”, and it allows for Republicans from all “wings” or ideologies to vote for their preferred candidate, not some small group with disproportionate influence.

Ron Paul might get 5-10% of the vote in some Republican caucuses or primaries , which might represent 2-3% of the overall electorate, but Herr Doktor is getting old, and won’t have much influence on anything “for years to come”. While his son IS a freshman Senator from the relatively conservative state of Kentucky, Rand Paul won his seat by aligning himself with the TEA Party, which has a much wider audience than the Ron Paul clique.

Steve Z on May 15, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Case in point.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 2:45 PM

For those people that call Ron Paul “crazy” or “b@tsh1t insane” please tell me a policy he advocates operates outside of the US Constitution. Show me. The only crazy fools are the ones that love the big government candidates.

Will_Hal on May 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Keep making it clear you don’t want our libertarian votes.

sirmyth on May 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Just ignore it, man. A lot of us have a pretty wide libertarian streak, but can’t go the whole route. Just look at the name calling as a brushback pitch. It’s endemic around here in election years.

a capella on May 15, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Nope, unpossible. How would I know? Well it’s obvious since I am a

shining beacons of Republican intelligence.

Archivarix on May 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Never mind that I am actually a registered Independent who leans Libertarian.

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Sounds like the Paulyps were out in force again…

golfer1 on May 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM

RP didn’t actually write those racist articles, he only approved of them and applied his signature at the end. Come on, haven’t we all done that from time to time?

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I’m not sure the “long-game” was actually the original intention. At least for his supporters.

They seem to have gambled that Romney would be so unpalatable that he wouldn’t quite make it to 1144 before the convention. They concentrated their attacks on Romney’s biggest rivals, in the hopes it would come down to Romney and Paul (as it has).

Problem is, they underestimated Romney’s appeal.

Everything they have been working towards seems to be coronating Paul at the convention. Even the victories in state and local party politics are most likely temporary at best.

Time to come up with a new strategy…

Long term. Yeah, that’s the ticket!

Maybe that truly is what Paul had in mind.

But, his supporters must have only recently gotten the memo. *

*… so I was going to say that the memo was in the January 2012 Issue of Ron Paul Newsletter, buried in between the article about the scientific proof that black people are mentally inferior to whites and the expose` on how the Jews have secretly infiltrated the Boy Scouts and are indoctrinating young men with their zionistic ways… BUT… I thought it might be in poor taste.

I kind of just did say it anyway, but I feel kind of bad about it.

So that makes it all better.

RightWay79 on May 15, 2012 at 2:53 PM

The Jews have secretly infiltrated the Boy Scouts? Whoa…that is concerning.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM

N00ZELETTRZ!!

TEH CULTZ!!1

HERR DOKTOR!1!eleventy!!

IF HE CAREZ ABUT FREEDOM, WHY HE NO BECOME DICTATOR AND MAKE WHOLE CONGRESS AGREE? SEE, HE’S DONE NOTHING DERP!!

^^ so much easier to regurgitate logical fallacies than dispute Paul’s actual arguments.

thirtyandseven on May 15, 2012 at 2:58 PM

The Jews have secretly infiltrated the Boy Scouts? Whoa…that is concerning.

Bitchshop on May 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM

No, but the homosexuals have been trying for the last several years.

Just in case you want a real issue to get mad about.

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:59 PM

L Ron Paul will destroy the GOP, not transform it. A pox on these nutters. “Ron Paul Or Nobody” should be the Obama campaign slogan. Read Eric Hoffer for chrissakes.

ConservativeLA on May 15, 2012 at 3:01 PM

but they still hope to have a “major impact at the national convention” anyway:

The only interest I have in the Republican convention in Tampa is if Ron Paul strongly contests the nomination and tries his best to win, assuming he has the numbers and tactics to succeed. Then I’ll watch. If he doesn’t have the numbers or decides not to fight for some other reason, most likely to protect Rand from GOP threats, then I have zero interest in the GOP convention. If the good ol’ boys let Ron Paul make a speech, I’ll watch that, but that’s it. The party is so corrupt and has traveled so far down the road to fascism that not only is it not worth saving, it needs to be proactively destroyed, along with the Democrat Party, because they are a threat to our freedom and liberty! George Washington was right!

Our founding fathers were far better people than the corrupt cronies and insider traders that rule America today. Un-American police-state policies like the NDAA and Internet censorship and drones in our skies spying on us are unacceptable. The fascist neo-cons have already been given way to much leash.

FloatingRock on May 15, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Still waiting on someone to show me a policy that Ron Paul advocates that would operate outside of the scope of the US Constitution. For those Romney lovers you do realize his health care policy and govt take over of GM solution was copied by 0bama?

Will_Hal on May 15, 2012 at 3:02 PM

L Ron Paul will destroy the GOP, not transform it.

ConservativeLA on May 15, 2012 at 3:01 PM

No-snark-intended-question:

Would that be completely bad, since the GOP has become a spineless bunch of white-bread elitists who, when they DO win, promptly start caving to and/or acting like liberals?

The right has been trying for decades to ‘reform’ the GOP. How well have you done so far?

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Transforming the GOP to be more rigorously free market would be helpful.

The b@tsh!t crazy foreign policy needs to be rejected, and would be a hard sell. Even Ron Paul fans generally like his libertarianism and wish his foreign policy was different.

WhatNot on May 15, 2012 at 3:07 PM

It does make sense that Paul would not leave the GOP. He and his people are BECOMING the GOP. It seems to have gone under the radar that Paul is winning the under 40 vote…even in primary states. And he is winning the younger vote by wide margins in a lot of the states. We are already seeing the future of the GOP.

ModerateMan on May 15, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Over 55 here and I like Ron. Some of his ideas are a bit out there but frankly status quo hasn’t been getting it. We tried a completely new face and it failed but that shouldn’t mean that we never experiment again. On fiscal matters, (where we need the most help right now) he is unbeaten in my mind. As for his foreign policy, have you read his stance? “If we’re gonna do it then do it right and kick butt all the way” (OK I translated). Still I like it. The gloves on mentality doesn’t work. So either play to win or don’t play.

Just an opinion from the old guy in the corner (bar).

landowner on May 15, 2012 at 3:09 PM

I am so tired of the smears and insults from the commentors and sadly also from the writers at hotair.com. Keep making it clear you don’t want our libertarian votes.

sirmyth on May 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Ed and AP have been fair to all candidates and Ed announced his preference so he showed his cards. That’s more than you’ll get anywhere else.

As for the commenters, you must be new here and missed most of the tribal wars where it was required for a good portion to smear/insult/lie/denigrate the other candidates in order to lift theirs.

This is nothing so kwitcher whining. If you can’t handle the insults then go back to your knitting.

PS: If you are going to alter your voting by what some people on a website say, then you have bigger problems than this.

kim roy on May 15, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Three points: 1) Ron Paul is too old to see this “transformation” through, 2) As soon as Ron leaves the scene most of his followers will leave politics and crawl back into the woodwork where they came from, 3) Rand does not have the same grip on these people his father does and won’t.

Some of these people will stick in there and do their part to influence the GOP, but I am dubious if enough of them will do so to “transform” anything.

Warner Todd Huston on May 15, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Still waiting on someone to show me a policy that Ron Paul advocates that would operate outside of the scope of the US Constitution.

Will_Hal on May 15, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Some would argue that making nice with Arabs contradicts the Oath of Office, namely the chapter about “all enemies, domestic and foreign”. the statement is, of course, open to interpretations.

Archivarix on May 15, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Does this mean that Dante guy will go away too?

AllahsNippleHair on May 15, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Transforming the GOP to be more rigorously free market would be helpful.

+100.

The b@tsh!t crazy foreign policy needs to be rejected, and would be a hard sell. Even Ron Paul fans generally like his libertarianism and wish his foreign policy was different.

WhatNot on May 15, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Honestly, I think RP should make a public statement to the effect of “If you want to be at war with EastAsia Islam that bad – fine. You’ll get it. In fact I think you’ll be…surprised…at how much I give you what you want. Is that enough for you to vote for me?”

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Never mind that I am actually a registered Independent who leans Libertarian.

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM

A Santorum supporter who leans libertarian? Man, that’s ironic on so many levels it’s not even funny. Rick Santorum – a fiscal liberal, a Big Government zealot and a bedroom snooper – is an antithesis to all things libertarian. Don’t take it as an insult, please, but if your cognitive dissonance progresses any further they’ll have to issue you two voting bulletins.

Archivarix on May 15, 2012 at 3:16 PM

What I find funny is that the L Ron Cult is denying reality by ignoring the fact that there are hard delegates for Romney being sent to the convention. How so? All the candidates submitted a list of delegates they want for every district and whoever wins the majority within that district gets their delegates chosen and the remaining delegates goes home, not to convention. Once all of California’s and most of Texas’ delegates goes for Romney, they become hard delegates and the cultist will be crying in the fact that they can’t use the rules to their advantage. On the convention floor, if the winner with the most delegates fails to get a majority above 1144 or whatever it was, all the delegates gets released and free to choose whoever they want. But this will not happen at all.

I await them drinking the kool-aid that has been laced with cyanide.

Kaitian on May 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM

L Ron Paul will destroy the GOP, not transform it.

ConservativeLA on May 15, 2012 at 3:01 PM

No-snark-intended-question:

Would that be completely bad, since the GOP has become a spineless bunch of white-bread elitists who, when they DO win, promptly start caving to and/or acting like liberals?

The right has been trying for decades to ‘reform’ the GOP. How well have you done so far?

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 3:03 PM

That would honestly depend on what direction the transformation goes in. The right has been slowly transforming the GOP and that transformation is only just now starting to reach the upper levels of the GOP Aristocracy. Ask Arlen Sphincter or Dickhead Lugar how it’s working out. Slowly, one by one the powerful RINO’s are being sent packing.

Yes, the GOP needs a fundamental transformation, and I seriously doubt anyone here would disagree with that statement. What the nature of that transformation is is the question though.

SWalker on May 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I await them drinking the kool-aid that has been laced with cyanide.

Kaitian on May 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Live long and prosper to you too, bub.

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Three points: 1) Ron Paul is too old to see this “transformation” through, 2) As soon as Ron leaves the scene most of his followers will leave politics and crawl back into the woodwork where they came from, 3) Rand does not have the same grip on these people his father does and won’t.

Some of these people will stick in there and do their part to influence the GOP, but I am dubious if enough of them will do so to “transform” anything.

Warner Todd Huston on May 15, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Good points.

I don’t really see all the party machine machinations his people have engaged in as having much long-term effect.

As someone else mentioned earlier, seeing how easy it is to game the system with caucuses (as the Paul Fans have done. By inflating Paul’s delegate presence simply by following caucus rules and playing the game better, they have highlighted that 1) the rules are crappy and 2) caucuses are weird), there may very well be a backlash against caucuses as they are…and a push in caucus states to move to a primary.

All this zealous (though not exactly wide-spread) championing of Ron Paul is mostly just sound and fury, and in the end, will signify…

RightWay79 on May 15, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Transforming the GOP to be more rigorously free market would be helpful.

WhatNot on May 15, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Are you kidding? That’s the last thing the crony-GOP wants. Cronyism is how they serve their masters, and their masters serve them. Free markets do the same thing to the ruling class establishment that sunlight does to vampires.

FloatingRock on May 15, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Why do Ron Paul supporters act like they are in a cult…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM

I think you answered your own question.

Washington Nearsider on May 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM

I like everything that I have heard Rand Paul say, but his dad is kooky and you have to wonder if Rand knows his dad is a little out there or if Rand just thinks everyone else is wrong so he will keep his real views private.

It’s just hard to call on Rand.

jeffn21 on May 15, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Ed politely missed the real reason, all the money his family made from lying to his cult. Just like the newsletters there is a ton of money involved and the family are all on payroll.

Secondly the handful of places they got delegates and took part of party are places that are liberal and don’t elect GOP to much of anything.

jp on May 15, 2012 at 3:26 PM

RP didn’t actually write those racist articles, he only approved of them and applied his signature at the end. Come on, haven’t we all done that from time to time?

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Keep repeating that lie, maybe even you will believe it one day. Herr Doktor AUTHORED the newsletters, his denials NOW when it is expedient to do so do not in any way absolve him.

riddick on May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM

It’s just hard to call on Rand.

jeffn21 on May 15, 2012 at 3:24 PM

As much as I am a big fan of Rand, him being a son of a noted racist/anti-semite and growing up listening to the moron also leaves me with a question mark of where Rand really stands. We’ll see in the next few years, I am keeping my fingers crossed.

riddick on May 15, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Derp derp, he’s an eeeevul racist Joo-H8r, dontcha know! Like I bawl about the lefties calling me, ‘cept he really IS racist. And he’s a big eye-so-lay-shun-ist! Why, he might actually stop us blowin’ up poor brown people over in Afghanny-stan!

/wingnut

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Whenever Ron Paul and his supporters tell us that Iran is a peaceful nation that only builds nukes because it has to defend itself against the aggression of the United States, I cringe.

And in every discussion about radical Islamist terrorism they side with the Jihadists against the West. Because it’s all our fault.

That’s a mixture of cultural self-hate, white guilt and ignorance of history that plays directly into the hands of America’s enemies all over the world. They would love a US president who agrees with them that the West is responsible for everything that goes wrong in the world.

Gelsomina on May 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM

riddick on May 15, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I’m guessing you’ve not read much Bishop…

Washington Nearsider on May 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM

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