Krauthammer: Just say no to letting the police use drones

posted at 9:17 pm on May 15, 2012 by Allahpundit

From last night’s “Special Report.” We’re not talking about armed drones here, of course, just eye-in-the-sky surveillance, but CK says no way regardless. I’m sympathetic to his libertarian impulse but I think his reaction’s being driven by the device’s military application, not its intended police use. The public knows it as an instrument of death so naturally we recoil at the thought of it hovering over American cities. If we’re going to ban it, though, let’s at least ban it for privacy concerns over what it’ll actually be used for, not because it makes us feel icky to think that similar machines are being used in a different capacity against terrorists. Otherwise it’s not unlike saying that the police shouldn’t have helicopters because, hey, the U.S. Army does too and theirs have built-in machine guns.

As for the privacy concerns, Andy McCarthy counters:

There is a considerable body of Fourth Amendment jurisprudence that applies to this subject. Even if the Framers never considered drones, the underlying search principles still inform us: Is the surveillance capable of searching private areas for which the police would otherwise need a warrant? Can it be limited to public areas where people have no expectation of privacy, where cops patrol even if there is no suspicion of criminal activity, and where drone surveillance would not be any different in kind from surveillance cameras (which are increasingly ubiquitous)? Is the use of a drone reasonable under the circumstances (i.e., is there some serious crime or threat, or do they want to use drones to see who’s running red lights)? What are the possible ways the executive branch can abuse the technique, and can this potential be discouraged short of an outright ban?

My “ick” reaction to drones comes not from their association with CIA ops against Al Qaeda but simply from the fact that privacy generally seems to be disintegrating in the digital age. Why not eliminate one extra incursion if we can? This passage, recently flagged by Reason, comes to mind:

As Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists’ government secrecy project, put it: “The administration’s aggressive pursuit of leaks represents a challenge to the practice of national security reporting, which depends on the availability of unauthorized sources if it is to produce something more than ‘authorized’ news.”

What’s behind the administration’s fervor isn’t clear, but the news media have largely rolled over and yawned. A big reason is that prosecutors aren’t hassling reporters as they once did. Thanks to the post-9/11 explosion in government intercepts, electronic surveillance, and data capture of all imaginable kinds — the NSA is estimated to have intercepted 15-20 trillion communications in the past decade — the secrecy police have vast new ways to identify leakers.

So they no longer have to force journalists to expose confidential sources. As a national security representative told Lucy Dalglish, director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, “We’re not going to subpoena reporters in the future. We don’t need to. We know who you’re talking to.”

Now that everyone has a cell phone and car with built-in GPS, I wonder how useful drones will prove to the cops by comparison. If you have probable cause to find out where someone is, there are faster and more precise ways of finding out technologically than by sticking a camera a few thousand feet up. In fact, if Google’s self-driving car catches on, cops might eventually be able to remotely commandeer a perp’s car if necessary. In a world where, according to cybersecurity experts, there’s not a single unclassified computer network in America that’s secure from hackers, drones seem an odd place to draw the line in the sand.



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HELL. NO.

I’m with Kraut here.

Good Lt on May 15, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Agree!

crash72 on May 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM

.” We’re not talking about armed drones here,

YET

burrata on May 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!..Heck nooooooooooooooooo!
Loccal and state!…yes…like immigration and everything else…the Federal Government will take over!

KOOLAID2 on May 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

With Krauthammer for constitutional/privacy reasons and potential application abuses and incentives

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

A question for any troll who is getting ready to jump in :
Do you oppose the fascist tactics of the government having access to library records of foreign terrorists ?

burrata on May 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

What are the possible ways the executive branch can abuse the technique, and can this potential be discouraged short of an outright ban?”

O_O

Outright ban…!

(unless the drones are gay)

/

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 9:26 PM

They will provide nice target practice…

PatriotRider on May 15, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I’m with Khammer.

Kataklysmic on May 15, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Obama has already used an armed drone against a US Citizen.

Not that I don’t think the bastard didn’t deserve it, but it set the precedence of our government using such tech against its citizens.

Will Times Square become Tiananmen Square?

Well, not the same, given New York City and its mayor..but the analogy…

ProfShadow on May 15, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I think every inch of the Southern border should be covered by drones 24/7. Maybe one or more border agents would not be killed by the Attorney General that way.

But seriously, most of us are being recorded for a good portion of our workday. How do drones make it different than these other cameras?

Happy Nomad on May 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

we’re more comfortable with Obama wielding this sort of power because he seems a hell of a lot more effective and responsible with it.
 
urban elitist on February 8, 2012 at 9:33 PM

rogerb on May 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

My comment yesterday on Ron Paul, but obviously on topic here:

In some ways I supported Paul’s call to reduce “the police state” or whatever. We probably need the Patriot Act, though, but DRONES everywhere above us is a step too far. Forget the justification, even if drones save lives and money, and all that. Problem, the cost of privacy is greater than even the “saves a few lives” benefit. I don’t think the people will stand for it.

Today Jonathan Hunt to Sheppard Smith on Fox: “There could be as many as 30,000 of these drones flying above us… [talks about the benefits of the drones {yes, saves lives and $}] … but OBVIOUSLY the privacy concerns are HUGE, because they will in effect bring every single backyard into the authorities view. You’ve always had an expectation of privacy in your own backyard. You will no longer have that. (!!)”

Republicans, stand up against masses of drones buzzing above our own homes. Do it now! Start making noise about this.

anotherJoe on May 15, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Who will be the folk hero..?

d1carter on May 15, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I’ve seen this movie before…

… I does not end well for us.

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Charles is 100% right.

Anyone ever watch…

The Prisoner

budfox on May 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

“We’re not talking about armed drones here, of course…” No, not yet. They have to get us used to having them in the air and spying on us first.

Lizzy on May 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Since we’re losing the battle over our own privacy, we should just stop fighting altogether? Bunch of crap.

Greenhelmet on May 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Only use over red states, that’s where most serial killers and militia freakazoids originate.

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I feel like a terrorist…

Electrongod on May 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Maybe the state and the feds will require us to live in one of these in the future — you know, to make surveillance a littler easier for them … so we are ‘safe.’

http://www.boredpanda.com/transparent-house-na-japan/

Axion on May 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

With Krauthammer for constitutional/privacy reasons and potential application abuses and incentives

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Years ago, early 1990′s, I wrote a paper on privacy for my Master’s degree. It was brilliant, according to my professor, but he also added that I was behind reality. The same thought resonates here. Why object to drones in the air when your cell phone leaves a more traceable account of your activities?

Happy Nomad on May 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

No on drones, nothing really good can come from this long term!

bluemarlin on May 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I feel like a terrorist…

Electrongod on May 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

We are all terrorists now unless you are a Democrat.

JPeterman on May 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Awesome. With the TSA making us go through nude-o-scopes and now drones checking out nude sunbathers in their backyards, let the fun begin!

O/T: Ace has a great post on how our Narcissist-in-Chief has inserted himself into every president’s official bio on whitehouse.gov.

John the Libertarian on May 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Hell no.

And I can’t help thinking of the Terminator …

toby11 on May 15, 2012 at 9:39 PM

i insist on my and my neighbors air rights over our property to 3000 ft with respect to drones.

newrouter on May 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Why object to drones in the air when your cell phone leaves a more traceable account of your activities?

Happy Nomad on May 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Oh good grief. How about that cell phones did not originate as military weapons, and aren’t specifically made to spy on and/or blow up people?

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Make surveillance cheap and easy, and YOU CAN BET Government will misuse it.

Hell No!

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Every time it’s just one harmless little step. Until suddenly it isn’t harmless. I’m against the whole idea.

hachiban on May 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I think all we need to do is look to England and their insane CCTV network to understand our skies being filled with drones won’t do much for safety or crime prevention. I would consider it a giant waste of resources just based on that. Drones are probably best used to deal with a unfolding crisis like hostage situations. Otherwise we are going to find out that these drones don’t do squat to improve society. The complete fail of traffic light cameras anyone?

NotCoach on May 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

We are all terrorists now unless you are a Democrat.

JPeterman on May 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Correction:
I am a terrorist….

Electrongod on May 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I think every inch of the Southern border should be covered by drones 24/7. Maybe one or more border agents would not be killed by the Attorney General that way.

Yup. And if an armed drug cartel convoy comes across the border, send them a Hellfire telegram.

Socratease on May 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Who will be the folk hero..?

d1carter on May 15, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Bishop, he thought it was a goose, he swears!

Night Owl on May 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

SKYNET!

predator on May 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

They creep more and more into our lives.

SouthernGent on May 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Bishop, he thought it was a goose, he swears!

Night Owl on May 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

No need to waste gunpowder….a tightly focused EMP should do the job….fire up the soldering iron and spend a night in the workshop…it would be a new hacker sport within weeks.

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

You will have two classes of citizens…

… Those who watch, and those being watched.

Talk about a slippery slope…

… and every federal, state, and local bureaucracy will have to have a fleet of their own drones, just like the Dept. of Education’s S.W.A.T. Team.

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Is the use of a drone reasonable under the circumstances (i.e., is there some serious crime or threat, or do they want to use drones to see who’s running red lights)?

Reasonable?!? If Bloomberg and the rest of the jackboots had their way, feeding your kids Cap’n Crunch would be a very serious offense. Perfectly reasonable, to the twisted statist mind.

In fact, if Google’s self-driving car catches on, cops might eventually be able to remotely commandeer a perp’s car if necessary.

The day I buy a self-driving car will be a cold day in hell, particularly if it’s commandeerable.

thirtyandseven on May 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Ace has a great post on how our Narcissist-in-Chief has inserted himself into every president’s official bio on whitehouse.gov.

John the Libertarian on May 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

It’s getting really funny :

http://twitchy.com/2012/05/15/all-the-presidents-ego-obamas-inserts-himself-into-other-presidential-biographies-obamainhistory-hilarity-ensues/
and
http://twitchy.com/2012/05/15/more-grassroots-power-rncs-hilarious-obama-in-history-tumblr-takes-off/

burrata on May 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Make surveillance cheap and easy, and YOU CAN BET Government will misuse it.

Hell No!

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

What altitude at these things flying at?

They’re small enough to miss whilst scanning the sky but big enough to cause some real lovely MACs.

Chip on May 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

No need to waste gunpowder….a tightly focused EMP should do the job….fire up the soldering iron and spend a night in the workshop…it would be a new hacker sport within weeks.

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Count me in.

thirtyandseven on May 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Fairly cut and dry in my book…..Hell No!!!!!

dddave on May 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM

No need to waste gunpowder….a tightly focused EMP should do the job….fire up the soldering iron and spend a night in the workshop…it would be a new hacker sport within weeks.

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I have no idea what you just said. Well, I know what a soldering iron is, but I’ve only used one to make jewelry.

Night Owl on May 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM

… and every federal, state, and local bureaucracy will have to have a fleet of their own drones, just like the Dept. of Education’s S.W.A.T. Team.

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

This is why we need a wholesale cleansing of the political class. An entirely different mindset, a reversal back to days of old, must be instituted.

Tea Party people, this is our time. If not now, when?

predator on May 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Imaginative pervs could obtain these little four rotor wonders and paint them up like Police drones and go cruising for undressed hotties at home. Just sayin…….

Just like the taco bowel torpedoes that were to be air delivered would have done.

I’d treat them like a skeet shooter with whatever comes to hand.

BL@KBIRD on May 15, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Anybody who is for drones flying over our neighborhoods, keeping tabs on us, should not be involved in any way with government. Hell, let’s just ship them to Britain. They love Big Brother there.

MadisonConservative on May 15, 2012 at 9:51 PM

But will they use them to stop illegals from crossing our border… nah, I’m sure that would be an infringement on their right to invade our country.

Axion on May 15, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Yes say no but far too many tolerate more and more cameras and black boxes in the name of safety so why not drones.

CW on May 15, 2012 at 9:54 PM

I’ve seen this movie before…

… I does not end well for us.

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Blue Thunder

Wolfen on May 15, 2012 at 9:54 PM

No need to waste gunpowder….a tightly focused EMP should do the job….fire up the soldering iron and spend a night in the workshop…it would be a new hacker sport within weeks.

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Emphasis on ‘tightly focused’. Frazzle other people’s electronics and not only will you be in trouble for property destruction, but they just look for the center of the outage and X marks the spot.

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 9:55 PM

It’s getting really funny :

http://twitchy.com/2012/05/15/all-the-presidents-ego-obamas-inserts-himself-into-other-presidential-biographies-obamainhistory-hilarity-ensues/
and
http://twitchy.com/2012/05/15/more-grassroots-power-rncs-hilarious-obama-in-history-tumblr-takes-off/

burrata on May 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

One of the best comments:

“You’re so vain…I’ll bet you think this bio’s about you.”

John the Libertarian on May 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM

bout time. been waiting for conservatives to voice their opposition to this stupididty.

sbvft contributor on May 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Night Owl on May 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM

lol……..Electro-Magnetic-Pulse generator to disable the on-board GPS/Gyro systems as well as the CCD/infra-red cameras and servo’s.

see the “Projects for the Evil Geniu”s book series.

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 9:57 PM

You will have two classes of citizens…

… Those who watch, and those being watched.

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

And a 3rd unofficial class of people who are the “watched” but work diligently in the dark of night to make life hard for the “watchers”.

I’m a night owl, did I ever mention that?

Bishop on May 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM

The real gut punch is that that are using money taken from us for all these little toys.

How did we get along without these 100… 50.. 2 years ago?

Chip on May 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I’m all for using them on the border. As a snooping mechanism, you just know the cops will abuse it.

rubberneck on May 15, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Of course the drones would be forbidden to monitor the politically correct class…

… and Muslims.

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 10:01 PM

All you need is a drone peeking over your shoulder, poised to wipe you out upon the utterance of any politically incorrect “heresy”. What a potential nightmare!!!!!

MaiDee on May 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I can see applications in border areas and sea patrols. In built-up cities, no way. Just HOW would they be useful in New York City? Chicago? Los Angeles? First time one malfunctions and smacks into a skyscraper, we’ll see how deep the City Father’s pockets really are.

GarandFan on May 15, 2012 at 10:06 PM

They should only be allowed for routine use on the borders and for rare, severe threats to national security.

Not for daily cop work.

Period.

Enough of this police state lunacy.

Well they call themselves protection, but you know it’s no game, you’re never out of their sight..”

profitsbeard on May 15, 2012 at 10:08 PM

lol……..Electro-Magnetic-Pulse generator to disable the on-board GPS/Gyro systems as well as the CCD/infra-red cameras and servo’s.

see the “Projects for the Evil Geniu”s book series.

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 9:57 PM

As I said… LOL, I’ll leave that stuff to those of you who do know. I’ll frustrate them by calling in false reports of suspected criminal activity or something.

Night Owl on May 15, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Emphasis on ‘tightly focused’. Frazzle other people’s electronics and not only will you be in trouble for property destruction, but they just look for the center of the outage and X marks the spot.

MelonCollie on May 15, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Agreed.

see….lol, got ya thinking about it !

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Good Lord. I agree with Charles Krauthammer. Must continue to suppress the urge to kick over his wheelchair whenever I see him.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

burrata on May 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

LOL- I wonder if it’s possible to ridicule someone out of office!

Night Owl on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Good Lord. I agree with Charles Krauthammer. Must continue to suppress the urge to kick over his wheelchair whenever I see him.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

There’s that liberal compassion on display. I hear they already have drones in NYC. If anyone deserves them, you OWS types do.

Night Owl on May 15, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Two lead fishing weights joined by a couple of feet of mono-filament would make acceptable chain shot for a copper pipe blow gun or a sling shot.

BL@KBIRD on May 15, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Maybe taking down those tulip poplars in the yard isn’t such a good idea after all.

lynncgb on May 15, 2012 at 10:20 PM

The drones could be the first practical target for the quad barreled potato canon.

BL@KBIRD on May 15, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Must continue to suppress the urge to kick over his wheelchair whenever I see him.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Sounds about right for a left winger.

thirtyandseven on May 15, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Is this worse than already having police choppers flying around or is just because its cheaper so there’d be more of them?

reddevil on May 15, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Good Lord. I agree with Charles Krauthammer. Must continue to suppress the urge to kick over his wheelchair whenever I see him.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

My god. What an amazing ass you are

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Good Lord. I agree with Charles Krauthammer. Must continue to suppress the urge to kick over his wheelchair whenever I see him.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

You’re a bully .

CW on May 15, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that these drones are shaped like a penis?

Dack Thrombosis on May 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM

The drones could be the first practical target for the quad barreled potato canon.

BL@KBIRD on May 15, 2012 at 10:22 PM

lol…..now that’s impressive!

Tim_CA on May 15, 2012 at 10:29 PM

There’s that liberal compassion on display. I hear they already have drones in NYC. If anyone deserves them, you OWS types do.

Night Owl on May 15, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Krauthammer is wealthy, influential and annoying. Not that I would do it, but he’s hardly helpless.

As for OWS, I think you’ve confused me with my son. I have a 401k to worry about.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Mr. Krauthammer is 100% correct. Rather than accept the incrementalist eroding of our privacy let’s stop this here and work to roll back the other techno incursions out there as well.

Ozmondias on May 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Why do liberals hate disabled people?

thirtyandseven on May 15, 2012 at 10:37 PM

“We’re not talking about armed drones here, of course…” No, not yet. They have to get us used to having them in the air and spying on us first.

Lizzy on May 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

~~~~~~~~~

Exactly…just look at the disaster that the TSA has become to see where drones in law enforcement are headed.

ellifint on May 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Mr. Krauthammer is 100% correct. Rather than accept the incrementalist eroding of our privacy let’s stop this here and work to roll back the other techno incursions out there as well.

Ozmondias on May 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Can we revisit the USA PATRIOT Act, too?

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Krauthammer is wealthy, influential and annoying. Not that I would do it, but he’s hardly helpless.

As for OWS, I think you’ve confused me with my son. I have a 401k to worry about.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:30 PM

It’s always interesting to see what a hateful lib sees as a negative trait. No one called him helpless. I know he’s more than capable of dealing with vile, small people like you.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 10:44 PM

the NSA is estimated to have intercepted 15-20 trillion communications in the past decade

Now that everyone has a cell phone and car with built-in GPS, I wonder how useful drones will prove to the cops by comparison.

In Wikipedia’s words, “NSA’s United States Signals Intelligence Directive 18 (USSID 18) strictly prohibits the interception or collection of information about ‘… U.S. persons, entities, corporations or organizations….’ without explicit written legal permission from … the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court when within U.S. Borders.” That means that maybe one in a billion of those trillions of intercepts will have the ability to knowingly monitor citizens. I suppose there’s always the chance of abuse or of other agencies using similar methods, but that 15-20 trillion figure really doesn’t directly apply to the concern here.

But, yes, I thought of the drone/helicopter comparison too. In fact, a remote-controlled “helicopter” is an unmanned aerial vehicle, i.e., a drone, technically if not for legal purposes….

calbear on May 15, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Krauthammer is wealthy, influential and annoying. Not that I would do it, but he’s hardly helpless.

As for OWS, I think you’ve confused me with my son. I have a 401k to worry about.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:30 PM

It’s always interesting to see what a hateful lib sees as a negative trait. No one called him helpless. I know he’s more than capable of dealing with vile, small people like you.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I don’t see wealthy as a negative. Or influential. I just point them out to suggest that he’s, as I said, not exactly without resources. it’s not like picking on the homeless.

As to the rest — I suspect that there is far less bile circulating through my system than is current coursing through your veins. The Right lives on stereotypes and loathing.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

As to the rest — I suspect that there is far less bile circulating through my system than is current coursing through your veins.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

I’m not the one fantasizing about kicking over crippled people just because they don’t agree with my liberal views.

So you suspect wrong.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Good Lord. I agree with Charles Krauthammer. Must continue to suppress the urge to kick over his wheelchair whenever I see him.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Sounds like someone needs a good kick in the nads. You sound mean.

fullogas on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I just point them out to suggest that he’s, as I said, not exactly without resources. it’s not like picking on the homeless.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

I love how you make an ass of yourself and then create a straw man argument in order to defend yourself.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Must continue to suppress the urge to kick over his wheelchair whenever I see him.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

well, when you can’t defeat them with reason and sound argument I guess you fantasize about beating up cripples people…

Tell us how bad ass you’d be if Stephen Hawking didn’t agree with you.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM

The Right lives on stereotypes and loathing.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

What a loathsome stereotype.

profitsbeard on May 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I’m not the one fantasizing about kicking over crippled people just because they don’t agree with my liberal views.

So you suspect wrong.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM

No, you’re the one passing vicious judgment on people you’ve never met as though their very existence offends you.

well, when you can’t defeat them with reason and sound argument I guess you fantasize about beating up cripples people…

Tell us how bad ass you’d be if Stephen Hawking didn’t agree with you.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I am not as passionate on physics as I am on politics. Nor is Hawking as much of an a****e as Krauthammer.

Good Lord. I agree with Charles Krauthammer. Must continue to suppress the urge to kick over his wheelchair whenever I see him.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Sounds like someone needs a good kick in the nads. You sound mean.

fullogas on May 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Actually, not so much. About being mean, anyway. I’d never actually kick Krauthammer, but the relentlessly smug do arouse a distinctly vindictive emotion.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM

No, you’re the one passing vicious judgment on people you’ve never met as though their very existence offends you

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM


I have no idea what you’re talking about… but slow your roll tough guy. The last thing I want to do is get on your bad side.

I bet you could totally beat up Helen Keller if she held an opinion you didn’t agree with.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Can we revisit the USA PATRIOT Act, too?

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Why do you hate America?

… and every federal, state, and local bureaucracy will have to have a fleet of their own drones, just like the Dept. of Education’s S.W.A.T. Team.

Seven Percent Solution on May 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

If drones end up being a right wing conspiracy theory like the DOE SWAT teams then we have nothing to worry about.

lester on May 15, 2012 at 11:33 PM

The problem is in the scale of the intrusion…it is an airborne equivalent of the UK’s camera on every block. I have no desire to be monitored and, as we are protected by the 4th, do not feel quite ready to give the government this power.

JIMV on May 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I have no idea what you’re talking about… but slow your roll tough guy. The last thing I want to do is get on your bad side.

I bet you could totally beat up Helen Keller if she held an opinion you didn’t agree with.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I think I could take her two throws out of three. You know, if I was warmed up.

And if she hadn’t died, um, 44 years ago.

How old are you, anyway?

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I think I could take her two throws out of three. You know, if I was warmed up.

And if she hadn’t died, um, 44 years ago.

How old are you, anyway?

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM

33. But I don’t tell people how I’d like to bully people in wheel chairs so you may think I’m mature for my age.

Ampersand on May 15, 2012 at 11:39 PM

No, you’re the one passing vicious judgment on people you’ve never met as though their very existence offends you.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Must continue to suppress the urge to kick over his wheelchair whenever I see him.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

You’re one stupid motherf**ker, you know that?

MadisonConservative on May 15, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Just a matter of time before the AI’s start imitating the “Minority Report”, Sir please come with us, your behavior in the last few days indicates you have a high probability of voilating the rules of governance. Your detainment has been preset at the mandatory cooling off period. The fine for this probable infraction is set at …..

notalemon on May 15, 2012 at 11:51 PM

I’d never actually kick Krauthammer, but the relentlessly smug do arouse a distinctly vindictive emotion.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Hint, jackass: that’s why we hate Obama, not because of his skin color.

MadisonConservative on May 15, 2012 at 11:51 PM

The Right lives on stereotypes and loathing.

urban elitist on May 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

can haz moar irony?

thirtyandseven on May 15, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Just say no! Because we’re creating a police state and that never ends well. Ever.

KMC1 on May 16, 2012 at 12:13 AM

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Scribbler on May 16, 2012 at 12:32 AM

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