Video: Preachers in Baltimore blast Obama for same-sex marriage stance

posted at 12:41 pm on May 14, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

And so it begins.  Yesterday, my friend Deacon Greg Kendra asked his readers whether they had heard anything in their Catholic parishes about Barack Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage; I didn’t in mine, but it was Mother’s Day, on which our pastor focused.  In Baltimore, at least, it was a little different — and much angrier:

Just days after President Barack Obama announced his support for same-sex marriage, pastors and priests around Maryland took to their own pulpits with their reaction– and in some cases– condemnation of the president. …

When Obama announced that his position on same-sex marriage had evolved, it outraged some African-American pastors like Pastor and Del. Emmett Burns.

“He has said to his base, African-Americans, ‘I am going against your beliefs and your thoughts,’” Burns said.

He’s so opposed to same-sex marriage, he told church members he will no longer support the president and now predicts Obama will lose the election because of it.

This will be a disaster in places like Maryland. No one expects the congregants of Pastor Burns’ church to run out and vote for Romney, but they’re going to be a lot less enthused about Obama — and a lack of enthusiasm in his base will put an end to hopes of a second term. Maryland is a safe state for Democrats under normal conditions; it last went Republican in 1988, and Obama won it by 25 points in 2008.  However, the same reason for that large margin of victory shows the risk for Obama, which is that 30% of the vote in the state comes from the African-American community that Pastor Burns and others serve.

The White House stirred up a hornet’s nest, and the damage to their standing among people of faith will be difficult to overestimate.  With evangelicals suddenly motivated to support Mitt Romney, these pulpit blasts aimed at Obama’s base come at the worst possible time.


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I’ve copied this before, but it’s worth another look:

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carried his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
Cicero

Bambi on May 14, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Obama made a big mistake with this issue. It will be a net negative for him. I would guess that he loses about 1% of the popular vote that he would have gotten had he not made this decision. That would not have changed anything in 2008, but it coudl be the difference in this election, which will be much closer.

I hope his night with George Clooney was worth it…

RedSoxNation on May 14, 2012 at 1:44 PM

I hope his night with George Clooney was worth it…

RedSoxNation on May 14, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Thats gross on many levels.

BobMbx on May 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM

“He has said to his base, African-Americans, ‘I am going against your beliefs and your thoughts,’” Burns said.

Three words for the genius pastor:

ILLINOIS SENATE RECORD.

He was the most rabid proponent of the murder of the unborn if they survived a botched abortion. Any idea how many little children will die because of support of this ghastly procedure in a 2nd term?

PappyD61 on May 14, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Blacks always vote Democrat. I see nothing that will change that and Obama knows it.

MrX on May 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Sadly, the majority of blacks will likely ignore obama’s positions and vote based on skin color AGAIN, just as they did in 2008.

Pork-Chop on May 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Obama ‘signals’ it. Then he hints at it. Then, when he finally SAYS it or DOES it, his supporters are somehow shocked.

Gay Marriage
Oil & Coal
Crony Capitalism
Taxes
Fast and Furious

Take your pick but the story is the same.

axshon on May 14, 2012 at 1:57 PM

We must take the Newsweek cover as being literal. They give no indication that they jest: “The First Gay President.”

Again, taking the “1st gay” aspect literally… is consistent with what people have been saying since at least ’08, that he often walks with an effeminate gait, his dancing was odd and gaylike. And you see him in picture after picture getting virtually lip to lip too close with male politicians. Odd, and gay.

Yes, “not with there’s anything wrong with that,” except he’s gone too far, and as this story develops in the public’s eye, a lot of people are going to be freaked out by this. Opposition to O in many quarters is going to be intense. We need to stoke this.

And, it will undermine his whole campaign and persona if significant numbers of blacks do not support him. Or even if the enthusiasm is way down. So let’s see what we can do to foster this disunion.

anotherJoe on May 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLYtHHxTTmc

THIS isn’t a bit creepier now?

PappyD61 on May 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM

How does this lead to new jobs..?

d1carter on May 14, 2012 at 2:03 PM

From the mouth of the radical Van Jones in April:

“I think if he came out as gay, he wouldn’t lose the black vote,” Van Jones said with a chuckle. “President Obama is not going to lose the black vote no matter what he does.”

It’s a laughing matter to Van Jones, but the Van Jones chuckle speaks of how fully the black vote is taken for granted. If this chuckle and the like is amplified in the minds of blacks, the seeds of a more serious black backlash are there.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/van-jones-even-gay-obama-wont-lose-black-vote/459131

anotherJoe on May 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM

The dazzling brilliance of Obama’s strategy is so far over our heads we simply cannot see it. But Obama sees it and that’s all that matters.

Extrafishy on May 14, 2012 at 2:06 PM

“He has said to his base, African-Americans, ‘I am going against your beliefs and your thoughts,’” Burns said.

He’s so opposed to same-sex marriage, he told church members he will no longer support the president and now predicts Obama will lose the election because of it.

Oh shut the he11 up Burns, you would still vote for Obama even if he came out and admitted to being the Anti-Christ. Your support is 100 percent because he is Black and he’s stickin it to whitey…

SWalker on May 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

And so it begins.

excitable ed. heh.

sesquipedalian on May 14, 2012 at 2:20 PM

He and ever other African-American will vote for Obama.

Part of all this is to stir up hope for Republicans that they can woo a large percentage of blacks to vote for Romney.
The Republicans would then waste lots of time and money…which is just what the Democrats want.

When I see lots of Black voters signing petitions that they pledge not to vote for Obama then I will believe it could happen.

When there is choice between the black guy and white guy – the black guy gets the African-American vote.
When there is a choice between two black guys, the Democrat gets the vote.

albill on May 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Plenty of time for this to blow over.

cjw79 on May 14, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Don’t say “blow!”

Kensington on May 14, 2012 at 2:24 PM

First of all BS.

Second of all churches that preach politics in the pulpit are distasteful.

Whether it’s God D**n Amerikkka! (Rev. Wright) or Mormonism is a cult (Rev Jeffers, FBC – Dallas): they really need to STFU.

CorporatePiggy on May 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I haven’t read all the comments so others may have said the same thing but this is one of the problems with being so strongly on the plantation of the Democrat Party. Black Democrats (but I repeat myself) are taken for granted by the Dems so the party has no problem going against their wishes because they’ll suck it up and vote D anyway. Maryland won’t go GOP in the Fall, Not. Gonna. Happen.

I’m not a single issue voter and if I was Gay Marriage wouldn’t be on my radar screen as the issue. As a small government fiscal conservative I didn’t vote for the amendment last week in NC mainly because we’re going to vote to repeal it in 20 years or less as the current crop of AARP members dies off and the younger voters hit middle age and actually show up at the polls. To me the single biggest issue is and will remain getting the budget under control second to that is national defense. The social con issues aren’t on my radar screen.

Sparky on May 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

So, these preachers have no problem with Obama’s stance on abortion, including his stance as an IL state senator for a law to not help babies that survive a botched abortion, but this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back?
You’re all useful idiots, preacher man, and you’ll still vote for him, so shut up, will ya?
Talk about selective stupidity.

AllahsNippleHair on May 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I think the consensus here, Ed, is that there is absolutely nothing for Team Barry to worry about. It’s a big nothingburger.

I kinda think the whole NC Dem Party thing is a big nothingburger. I live in the middle of it and it’s not playing here (either way). It’s just looked at like an internal political party thing and since it’s the Democrats, the press will just let it play out. For goodness’ sake, the Dems’ 2004 VP candidate is on trial and it has zero effect on the election. These things only hurt Republicans (because the Left still decides what we discuss).

It won’t change a vote.

I don’t think the Jeremiah Wright thing changed one vote. Hannity still refers to those audios as “devastating”? To whom?

mankai on May 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Plenty of time for this to blow over.

cjw79 on May 14, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Don’t say “blow!”

Kensington on May 14, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I think they’re all talking out their a$$es.

AllahsNippleHair on May 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

First of all BS.

Second of all churches that preach politics in the pulpit are distasteful.

Whether it’s God D**n Amerikkka! (Rev. Wright) or Mormonism is a cult (Rev Jeffers, FBC – Dallas): they really need to STFU.

CorporatePiggy on May 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

I tend to agree with you, but the two statements you chose are not equal. The first is clearly political while the second is theological. If he applies it politically, he’d have to show how the theology would translate. Otherwise, as a purely theological point, he has the right to think what he thinks.

mankai on May 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Our racist president.
He foments racism.

Perhaps he will lose this November because of it.
Unfortunately, we’ve all lost to some degree because of it already.

I believe straight-out reparations would have been less costly to the nation than this failure has proven to be. Yet…blocks of people continue to support him.

What will defeat him is the awakening of serious Americans.

freedomfirst on May 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM

The fact that blacks will indeed vote for Obama (>90%) tells you all you need to know about the black electorate.

MDLibertyLover on May 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Second of all churches that preach politics in the pulpit are distasteful.

And violate IRS rules about their tax-exempt status.

BobMbx on May 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM

This will be a disaster in places like Maryland. No one expects the congregants of Pastor Burns’ church to run out and vote for Romney, but they’re going to be a lot less enthused about Obama — and a lack of enthusiasm in his base will put an end to hopes of a second term. Maryland is a safe state for Democrats under normal conditions; it last went Republican in 1988, and Obama won it by 25 points in 2008. However, the same reason for that large margin of victory shows the risk for Obama, which is that 30% of the vote in the state comes from the African-American community that Pastor Burns and others serve.

It’s not going to be a disaster for Obama here in MD. He’ll still win the state handily. However, if the disaffection is deep enough, and enough of his core constituency stays home, then the down-ticket face-offs could get very interesting.

Now it’s time for the Tea Party to really get out there, and get voter enthusiasm on our side red-hot. If we find the right races to focus on, we may very well flip a couple of them red.

I really wasn’t seeing this as a big deal. But I’ve changed my mind. I’d love for Obama to completely screw over his party and nuke the local and state elections.

Game on.

nukemhill on May 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM

As a political prisoner in Camp 21228 of the People’s Republic of Maryland, I can say that the best we can hope for is that it suppresses turnout in PG County and Baltimore City — as several folks have already mentioned.

However, even if that happens, the Democrat Party Politburo leaders will just fire up the Cheating Machines and Barry will win Saddam-style.

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Blacks are the ultimate ethnic/tribal voting bloc. Obama could eat his children, snort coke on national TV, worship Baal–and still score 90+ percent of the black vote come November. He knows this, and that’s why he can thumb his nose at the preachers with a smile on his face and a song in his heart. He needs the homosexual/Hollywood cash.

spiritof61 on May 14, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Its kindof a shame that Montgomery, Howard, PG, and Baltimore City decide what happens in the State of Maryland.

ManWithNoName on May 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

“He has said to his base, African-Americans, ‘I am going against your beliefs and your thoughts,’” Burns said.

At least this guy is honest enough to admit he is a racist. He supported Obama because of the color of his skin; not the content of his character.

MikeA on May 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

As a political prisoner in Camp 21228
-H.E. Pennypacker

Catonsville? Awesome!!

Grew up in Timonium and I lived in Catonsville up until 3 years ago. Good to see some “local” representation here on HotGas!!

ManWithNoName on May 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

The fact that blacks will indeed vote for Obama (>90%) tells you all you need to know about the black electorate.
MDLibertyLover on May 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM

I suspect it will cut heavily into the Puppy Muncher’s margin with the black bloc:

From, say 96.4% to 96.03885%

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Its kindof a shame that Montgomery, Howard, PG, and Baltimore City decide what happens in the State of Maryland.

ManWithNoName on May 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

The population of most of Maryland is composed of federal employees and those who love and serve them. If Virginia were smaller it would be in the same category, with the DC suburbs exericising a controlling influence over the whole state.

spiritof61 on May 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Otherwise, as a purely theological point, he has the right to think what he thinks.

mankai on May 14, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Well there was clearly a political point to go with the theological point when it comes to Jeffers which is why he walked it right back when Romney became the likely nominee.

CorporatePiggy on May 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

ManWithNoName on May 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Yes, The ‘Ville. I grew up in Silver Spring and moved north about 20 years ago.

Do you miss the Rt. 40 Walmart? How about Opie’s?

SW Bmore, represent.

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Good to know that every black guy out there has the exact same political ideology and beliefs as every other black guy.

For a second there, I thought we voted as individuals, not as races.

Okay, now who are all the white guys voting for? I need to know, I can’t think for myself.

triple on May 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Or is the line that white people can think for themselves, but the black savages are incapable because of their smaller brains?

Help me out here, racists. This is new to me.

triple on May 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

black savages are incapable because of their smaller brains?

triple on May 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

You forgot to credit Darwin and Sanger for their work in this area.

mankai on May 14, 2012 at 3:22 PM

triple on May 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Since you couldn’t get 90% of any group to agree on which way is up, current black voting patterns would seem to have very little to do with brains, thinking, or reasoning. It’s a collective psychology thing.

spiritof61 on May 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Do you miss the Rt. 40 Walmart? How about Opie’s?

SW Bmore, represent.

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

The Rt 40 Walmart was literally the LAST place I’d shop in Catonsville. Opie’s was a great stop after a nice summer day. Shacks was good for draft every now and then and I loved walking/jogging the trolley trail too.

If we could afford it, we’d buy one of the McMansions in the new community they’re getting ready to build back off Montrose near the park.

ManWithNoName on May 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

The population of most of Maryland is composed of federal employees and those who love and serve them.

spiritof61 on May 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

They just added thousands more in the Woodlawn area tied to Obamacare.

ManWithNoName on May 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Second of all churches that preach politics in the pulpit are distasteful.

And violate IRS rules about their tax-exempt status.

BobMbx on May 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Except for when the protestants did it to encourage the colonials to fight for their freedom.

Just sayin’.

LoganSix on May 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

If we could afford it, we’d buy one of the McMansions in the new community they’re getting ready to build back off Hilton Ave near the park.

ManWithNoName on May 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Fixed. Got my streets mishmashed. Same general area though.

ManWithNoName on May 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Fixed. Got my streets mishmashed. Same general area though.

ManWithNoName on May 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

I hear ya. We’re are about to invoke Plan X* once the ‘Special Session’ is done raising taxes on everyone.

I was obviously joking about the Rt. 40 Walmart. That joint is like a deleted scene from Escape from LA.

*Plan X is voting with our feet. I have lived in MD all my life, but taxation without representation is tyranny. Also, Elijah Cummings in my rep, so I’ve got that going for me.

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM

As a political prisoner in Camp 21228

-H.E. Pennypacker

Those of us in the still free democracy of the Eastern Shore are doing what we can to save the rest of the state from PG and Baltimore City.

Trafalgar on May 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Trafalgar on May 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM

I should have remembered to exempt most of you down on the Shore. Fine folks. Are you anywhere near the places the use cheddar cheese in their coffee? Old timers that is.

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

the = that

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Trafalgar on May 14, 2012 at 4:00 PM

And those of us in the shadows of those 2 crapholes thank you. The air does smell of freedom down your way.

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 4:11 PM

“Thats ok, another bunch of government freebies and they’ll love me in the morning”

-Tony Obama Montana

portlandon on May 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Trafalgar, great now I’m craving Chincoteague oysters.

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Never heard of the cheese in the coffee in Talbot Co.

Trafalgar on May 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Plenty of time for this to blow over.

cjw79 on May 14, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Don’t say “blow!”

Kensington on May 14, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Oh, you can say “blow”, but never “smack”.

Lily on May 14, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Bathhouse Barry isn’t worried about Maryland, or any other state. He’s got all those Dems from Mexico, more than enough to make up for any losses on this side of the Rio. Plus, remember that he’s from Chicago, the city that knows how to “win” elections. You don’t think he picked Chicago for its weather, do you?

Gordy on May 14, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Never heard of the cheese in the coffee in Talbot Co.

Trafalgar on May 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM

No, I guess not. Thats getting up there towards Yankee territory. Somerset County. Frenchtown, Rumbly, Mt Vernon etc.

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 4:21 PM

The information on this page says many black people have not been swayed on Obama after Obama’s support of homosexual marriage
Informer Endorses Obama In Same Sex Marriage Stance
That page also has Pew research numbers on people’s views, broken down by various categories, such as black people vs white, GOP vs Democrat, etc

TigerPaw on May 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Do they really want to tax your roof and your driveway?

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 4:29 PM

So, these preachers have no problem with Obama’s stance on abortion, including his stance as an IL state senator for a law to not help babies that survive a botched abortion, but this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back?
You’re all useful idiots, preacher man, and you’ll still vote for him, so shut up, will ya?
Talk about selective stupidity.

AllahsNippleHair on May 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

They are at best useful idiots – at best hypocrites. Any real Christian would oppose both but abortion before gay marriage – it’s not even a question.

I’d love for one of these charlatans to explain how you can condone the lawful killing of babies in the womb but condemn lawful same sex marriages – an act of sin in which no one is killed.

The Count on May 14, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Just listened to part of an interview Sean Hannity is doing with an author (didn’t get his name) who said he had a recorded interview the author did with Reverend Wright. He claims the tape will show that Obama never “converted” to Christianity. Reverend Wright showed him how he could line up his Muslim beliefs with Christianity…

Does anyone know anything more about this? This is the same guy who claimed he knew that Bill Clinton told Hillary to run because Obama was an incompetent nincompoop.

BTW, we were driving home from Gettysburg yesterday and on a well-traveled road outside Annapolis, there was a Veteran’s group with petitions to get the Maryland law putting gay marriage under the legal definition of marriage on the ballot. We stopped and by the time we’d signed, there were at least five cars pulled up waiting. I asked the guy if he’d been busy. He said “yes, it’s been constant.”

Maybe there’s a chance to turn Maryland.

Portia46 on May 14, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Asked about the “down low,” a term used to describe a subculture in the black community where men identify as straight but have sex with men, (Don) Lemon said “I don’t really know about the down low because I haven’t played that game. I know of it.”

Lemon said the down low persists because of significant bias against gay men in the black church, black families and elsewhere. “It’s because, in black culture, the worst thing you can be really is a gay man. Hopefully people like me will make it better… the black community needs to get over that.”

Fallon on May 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I’m pleased that black Christian churches are following their long held beliefs and speaking against homosexual marriage. I wish Catholic Churches would find similar courage to speak out. The Obama administration is a very grave threat to the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, many, many pastors have quietly supported Obama. This must change is they are to protect the Church.

BillCarson on May 14, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Not sure about roof and driveway, but, hey, it’s Maryland. I am pretty sure they would tax the air if they could…oh wait.

Actually, what is going in this ‘specaial session’ is shameful even by crappy MD politics standards.

I do know that my property taxes are most likely going up despite the value of my house going down. But what else is new? This is Barry’s dream and since MOM is a Soetoro sycophant,he is doing his best to turn Maryland into a utopia.

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 4:46 PM

It will be interesting to see how enthused these black Democratic congregants are when the next white Democrat runs for President. You can bet with a reasonable chance of winning that this issue will come back to haunt Democrats over and over for the next few years.

unclesmrgol on May 14, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Huh, and yet when we look at some actual polling data whites are more likely than blacks to view Obama’s endorsement of gay marriage unfavorably. Can’t let data get in the way of a conservative media meme.

http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/05-14-2012%20gay%20marriage-obama%20final.pdf

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Since you couldn’t get 90% of any group to agree on which way is up, current black voting patterns would seem to have very little to do with brains, thinking, or reasoning. It’s a collective psychology thing.

spiritof61 on May 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Dude – you had herman cain running in your own party this year. A few years ago, a black guy was the head of the GOP. You guys had the first black sec/state years ago in Condi. Sure, there’s a fairly large voting bloc that goes democratic, but guess what? There’s a fairly large amount of white people who vote democratic, too.

Nevertheless, you’re going to perpetrate this myth that all black people think alike? And you wonder why most of them hate your party?

triple on May 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM

BTW, we were driving home from Gettysburg yesterday and on a well-traveled road outside Annapolis, there was a Veteran’s group with petitions to get the Maryland law putting gay marriage under the legal definition of marriage on the ballot. We stopped and by the time we’d signed, there were at least five cars pulled up waiting. I asked the guy if he’d been busy. He said “yes, it’s been constant.”

Maybe there’s a chance to turn Maryland.

Portia46 on May 14, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Whoa… this is way too general. Tell me where to go or who to contact and I’ll drive up from St. Mary’s to anywhere in the state to sign this petition. I want my name on it today!

JSGreg3 on May 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM

It’s a self fulfilling prophecy, really. Conservatives go, oh those blacks, always in the tank for democrats. They can’t think for themselves.

Would you vote for a party that told you that you were incapable of thinking for yourself?

triple on May 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM

“He has said to his base, African-Americans,

Sorry, you’re not his base, just useful, for now.

IrishEyes on May 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Yes, unless I’m mistaken they wish to tax roofs and driveways. It is part of Bay restoration. I can’t put my finger on the link, but it was in the Sun.

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Carroll County representing here. Yeah, MD will be super blue, as always. I can only hope that turnout is down on the Dem side, since I just got redistricted into Van Holland’s district, and the hell if he gives two chits about us up here.

Anna on May 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

It’s a self fulfilling prophecy, really. Conservatives go, oh those blacks, always in the tank for democrats. They can’t think for themselves.

Would you vote for a party that told you that you were incapable of thinking for yourself?

triple on May 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Yeah, you have a point. The party of Margaret Sanger is a much more logical choice.

JSGreg3 on May 14, 2012 at 4:56 PM

“This will be a disaster in places like Maryland.”

It won’t mean a thing in Maryland. The statewide vote is largely split between Baltimore, which is hopelessly and self-destructively Democrat, and the DC suburbs, which are selfishly and opportunistically Democrat.

Decades ago, Maryland’s Democrats were fairly pragmatic and if not fiscally conservative they were at least fiscally sane. Now they’re neither, but cronyism, racism, and simple inertia keep the party in power. That, and Republican challengers who are inept and halfhearted.

There are pockets of conservative sentiment, but Republicans are seldom able to to exert much statewide influence. The numbers are dwindling as middle-class voters get fed up and leave for Pennsylvania or other nearby states.

GalosGann on May 14, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I’ll see if I can find it. Thanks for the heads up.

Doesn’t surprise me. Us Free Staters are numb to are overlords making stuff not so free.

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 5:00 PM

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 5:00 PM

are = our. Need to use that preview thingy more…

H.E. Pennypacker on May 14, 2012 at 5:01 PM

“I didn’t in mine, but it was Mother’s Day, on which our pastor focused.”

Mind if I ask Ed, why focus on Mother’s Day? Next month will your pastor focus on Father’s Day? With as much zeal? Something to think about. :)

Similar to Maryland going regularly Dem, Oregon may actually be in play:
http://race42012.com/2012/05/11/poll-watch-surveyusa-oregon-2012-presidential-survey-2/

Obama 47%, Romney 43%. I have my doubts but we’ll see what happens by the end of the summer.

oryguncon on May 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM

triple on May 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM

These people genuinely believe that calling black people unthinking slaves is a persuasive vote getter. Its insanity.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Yeah, you have a point. The party of Margaret Sanger is a much more logical choice.

JSGreg3 on May 14, 2012 at 4:56 PM

The point is, (D)s are constantly expanding their party, which means expanded funds, voters, you get the picture.

What are the republicans doing? Losing the gay vote, the women vote, and the black vote. It’s almost impressive.

But at least you have the corporate vote. Grats.

triple on May 14, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Obama 47%, Romney 43%. I have my doubts but we’ll see what happens by the end of the summer.

oryguncon on May 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Survey USA doesn’t weight their sample, they just publish the results based upon who answers the phone and completes the survey. The internals of that poll don’t represent the D/R/I split in the state. But uh, sure, expend energy in Oregon and Maryland, that should work out great for the GOP…

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Obama just did what Democrats always do. He catered to one group of voters while taking blacks for granted. Whether it’s unions, schools, government employees, gays, lawyers, big pharma, or Wall Street, the Democrats will always favor one of those groups over blacks.

The question is – when will black communities stop going along with being taken for granted?

hawksruleva on May 14, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Except for when the protestants did it to encourage the colonials to fight for their freedom.

Just sayin’.

LoganSix on May 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Neither the IRS nor the US Constitution existed at that time.

Just sayin’.

BobMbx on May 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Yeah, you have a point. The party of Margaret Sanger is a much more logical choice.

JSGreg3 on May 14, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Here’s a little play to help JSGreg3 and others understand how ridiculous they are:

Conservative: I just don’t get it. Why are black people obsessed with race? They are so focused on race and racism they can’t even make fair judgements about the present, its not like we live in slavery or Jim Crow times anymore.

Me: Well look, there’s a long, entrenched history of white supremacy within the American political system going back to the post Bacon’s Rebellion legal codes that sought to prevent another cross-racial, intra-class alliance. Its just part of our history as a nation.

Conservative: How dare you! We are not to be judged by the ugly parts of our history, but by the progress we have made!

Me: That seems fair, now what were you saying about Margaret Sanger and black voters?

Conservative: Huh? Oh yeah, only that I’m HORRIFIED black people can vote for the party of Margaret Sanger, I mean can you believe the things she wrote about them on paper?!? Those black people need to better understand how historical legacies of racism mean they should vote for the GOP!

*irony meter explodes*

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 5:18 PM

I think it could be a major problem. In 2008, blacks were something like 16% of the vote, and Obama got almost all of that vote. A lot of that was a higher turnout than normal based on some (understandable) enthusiasm for the first black nominee.

Obama badly needs these voters to turn out again, and in the same or greater numbers, in 2012. He has lost ground with white voters, Latinos seem less enthused, and I’m betting heavily that he won’t do nearly as well with suburbanites this time around given the economy and the anti-”rich” rhetoric.

No one with a brain thinks that black voters are going Romney this time around, but for every 1% of the 2008 total that stay home, Obama loses .16% off his top line. It won’t take too big of a fraction of unenthused black voters staying home to affect the race, especially in places like OH, PA, WI, and VA.

The irony of course, is that there are so many better reasons for voters of any color to be “unenthused” about the president. This just happens to be the front and center issue.

The second irony is that everyone is going gaga over Obama flipping into the exact same gay marriage position as Dick “Darth Vader” Cheney himself. Why didn’t I see Cheney’s picture with a rainbow halo over it?

FuzzyLogic on May 14, 2012 at 5:22 PM

These pastors don’t know black people like Libfreeordie knows black people.

CycloneCDB on May 14, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Dude – you had herman cain running in your own party this year. A few years ago, a black guy was the head of the GOP. You guys had the first black sec/state years ago in Condi. Sure, there’s a fairly large voting bloc that goes democratic, but guess what? There’s a fairly large amount of white people who vote democratic, too.

Nevertheless, you’re going to perpetrate this myth that all black people think alike? And you wonder why most of them hate your party?

triple on May 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Dude: I guess I have to repeat myself. Black voters aren’t thinking. Only ethnic/tribal blocs can turn in 90+% majorities in elections, because you can’t get that level of agreement from individuals.

spiritof61 on May 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM

House Assistant Minority Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday …

“I, like the president, have evolved to a point of marriage equality. I have not always been there. I grew up in a parsonage. A fundamentalist Christian parsonage. I grew up with that indoctrination. I have grown to the point where I believe we have evolved to marriage equality”

You have to give up a lot to be a good Communist.

J_Crater on May 14, 2012 at 5:39 PM

“I, like the president, have evolved to a point of marriage equality. I have not always been there. I grew up in a parsonage. A fundamentalist Christian parsonage. I grew up with that indoctrination. I have grown to the point where I believe we have evolved to marriage equality”

Wow. Calling religious belief “indoctrination”. I am sure his daddy is so proud.

CycloneCDB on May 14, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Conservative: Huh? Oh yeah, only that I’m HORRIFIED black people can vote for the party of Margaret Sanger, and Robert Kennedy, and John Kennedy, and Robert Byrd.

libfree: “Huh? You mean the Democrat party kept blacks from civil rights for several decades? ”

**irony meter read correctly to the extreme left**

oldroy on May 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Here’s a little play to help libfreeordie and others understand how ridiculous they are:

Conservative: I just don’t get it. Why do black people vote for Obama? Sure, he’s half black, but racial identification can’t possibly be enough to support a leader who is a total failure in office, mocks their religious beliefs, and takes them for granted?

Lib: Well look, there’s a long, entrenched history of blacks voting for blacks. And 90% of blacks are Democrats. Why? Because racial pride is important and Dems pander to them with quotas, payoffs to their leaders, and feel-good propaganda. It’s just part of our history as a nation.

Conservative: How dare you! Individuals should not be voting on the basis of race. Americans should not take race into account at all in elections, but only the welfare of the nation as a whole and whether candidates for high office can lead back to prosperity and freedom.

Lib: Freedom? Freedom for whom? Blacks have to stay on the plantation and protect their civil rights or the evil Republicans will take them away–

Conservatives: Like they did 150 years ago?

*irony meter evolves*

spiritof61 on May 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM

oldroy on May 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

The only card left to it. Race bater.

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Or should it be baiter?

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Yep, baiter. ; )

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 6:01 PM

These people genuinely believe that calling black people unthinking slaves is a persuasive vote getter. Its insanity.
libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Ohhhh, so the very same people that you’ll freely label uncle tom’s or porch negroes if they vote GOP are the people that we should mind our p’s & q’s around when speaking about? If they’re going to reflexively vote for the party that steals their dignity and self-worth in exchange for a govt handout out of fear of racial reprisals, screw them and screw you. You can cow them with the race card all you want – from us, you can have the middle finger.

The Count on May 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Yes. Baiter. Speaking of such, one wonders where Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have been in all of this. Probably making an economic decision to remain quiet.

oldroy on May 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 4:47 PM

That NC poll last Tuesday is an actual poll that matters and African Americans supported the Marriage definition by what 2:1?

Ignore reality lib.

dogsoldier on May 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Does he eat a Snickers candy bar with a knife & fork? He resembles Elaine’s boss, Mr. Pitt.

SnarkySam on May 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

MikeA on May 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Mike, there’s nothing “honest” about this preacher. His reply is simply a racist reflex, because that’s what he is. It was just as natural as breathing to him.

And Obama won’t lose diddley black votes. Race is all that matters.

Gordy on May 14, 2012 at 6:40 PM

A few years ago, a black guy was the head of the GOP. You guys had the first black sec/state years ago in Condi.

Glad this ain’t a game show.

Former RNC Chairman: Michael Steele
1st black Sec/State: Colin Powell

Peace.

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 14, 2012 at 7:48 PM

They are at best useful idiots – at best hypocrites. Any real Christian would oppose both but abortion before gay marriage – it’s not even a question.

I’d love for one of these charlatans to explain how you can condone the lawful killing of babies in the womb but condemn lawful same sex marriages – an act of sin in which no one is killed.

The Count on May 14, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Come November they will choose Barack over Jesus. He is their Big Government God with a halo.

redridinghood on May 14, 2012 at 7:54 PM

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