Quotes of the day

posted at 10:43 pm on May 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

Mr. Obama’s declaration last week that he supports same-sex marriage prompted ministers around the country to take to their pulpits on Sunday and preach on the issue. But in the clash over homosexuality, the battle lines do not simply pit ministers against secular advocates for gay rights. Religion is on both sides in this conflict. The battle is actually church versus church, minister versus minister, and Scripture versus Scripture…

On Sunday, after Pastor Wooden quieted the standing ovation in his sanctuary in Raleigh, a sea of pink hats and dresses in honor of Mother’s Day, he went into a sermon that portrayed the fight for the same-sex marriage amendment as a divinely ordained cause.

Quoting from Exodus, he said God had led people to the polls with a “high hand,” just as God led the Israelites out of Egypt. Mr. Obama went “against God,” the pastor said. He invoked the New Testament passage from Romans in which men turn away from women and burn in their lust, “men with men.”…

“The only thing that has changed in the church since the first century is who is considered ‘us,’ and who is considered ‘them,’” [Pastor Schneider] said. “The essential issue is the same: We aren’t sure ‘they’ belong with God at all. When I was young, a pastor said, whenever you draw a line between us and them, bear in mind that Jesus is on the other side of that line.”

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“I, like the president, have evolved to a point of marriage equality,” Clyburn said in an interview on MSNBC. “I have not always been there. I grew up in a parsonage, a fundamentalist Christian parsonage, and I grew up with that indoctrination. And I have grown to the point that I believe that we have evolved to marriage equality.”…

“I will remind you that in my lifetime, it was illegal in some states — this state, one of them — for black and white couples to get married,” he said. “I think that we have seen in many churches that call themselves fundamentalist and Christian teach a theological tolerance of slavery and servitude.”

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In Atlanta, at the historic Ebenezer Baptist Church – where Martin Luther King Jr. got his start – the Rev. Ralph Warnock addressed the president’s remarks near the end of his sermon.

“The president is entitled to his opinion,” Warnock said. “He is the president of the United States, not the pastor of the United States.”…

Black pastors who preach in favor of same-sex marriage know they may pay a price if they take Obama’s position, says Bishop Carlton Pearson.

The Chicago-based black minister says he lost his church building and about 6,000 members when he began preaching that gays and lesbians were accepted by God.

“That’s the risk that people take,” he told CNN. “A lot of preachers actually don’t have a theological issue. It’s a business decision. They can’t afford to lose their parishioners and their parsonages and salaries.”

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“This is the Bible Belt, and we still believe what the Bible says,” said Harty Wallingford, a civil engineer in Ohio’s Appalachian region. “They can change the Bible in the city, but we won’t change it here. We’re not like California. They’ve just gone crazy there.”…

“No. 1 for me is the morals of this country,” said Wallingford, who believes his friends and neighbors will feel the same. “He (Obama) just lost this county. There’s no way.”…

In the end, though, these Democrats and Republicans in a swing county of a swing state found one more point of agreement. As glasses were drained and dinner plans made, they had a final chance to reflect on what they all thought would, in the end, make the difference on Election Day. To them. To Ohio. And, maybe even, to the nation.

They offered up a two-word response, and it had nothing to do with the news of the past week but rather the issue of the times.

Almost in unison they said: “The economy.”

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Pat Robertson offered a tepid hint at an endorsement after the interview, reminding his viewers that Romney is their best option.

“It looks like the people who were worried about his Mormonism, at least that crowd is diminishing somewhat,” Robertson said. “The question is, if you have two candidates, you don’t have Jesus running against someone else. You have Obama running against Romney.”

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“I hope you evolve… I’m just teasing.”

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“This is the heart of the cultural war, Megyn, it is the fundamental beliefs … in Christianity, in scripture and tradition, and all those ideas of right and wrong against a new secularist idea which is quite militant, no doubt gaining in strength. That is the root of the culture war. It’s just like abortion. Is it okay, I mean is that a progressive move or is that the killing of an unborn child. These are the things that are really dividing the country and they’re going to continue. I didn’t declare it a culture war, we just admitted it was there.”



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My umbrella was gay today.
Kept blowing…away

bazil9 on May 15, 2012 at 1:51 AM

They sound like token gay friends. But let’s attack Elizabeth Warren for trying to reach out to the native population, right?

ElenaKagan on May 15, 2012 at 1:20 AM

You sound like someone I would B8tch slap.Bmore has class-your a fool. You aint my family and EW is a fraud looser like you. Move to Iran please…I will pay your ticket..take your friends with you.

bazil9 on May 15, 2012 at 1:54 AM

I will pay your ticket..take your friends with you.

bazil9 on May 15, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Probably pretty cheap fare one or two friends—-mom and ? Plus she no talk so big once she gets to Iran. Iran women are pretty though, I’m thinking Elena would fit in better with the PLO.

arnold ziffel on May 15, 2012 at 1:59 AM

My umbrella was gay today.
Kept blowing…away

bazil9 on May 15, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Happens when you name your umbrella Barney Frank
:D

burrata on May 15, 2012 at 2:07 AM

arnold ziffel on May 15, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Heh.

I said it 2 hours ago. Liberals are hypocrites. crickets when I call it out.

Dwell in your self inflicted pain Elana. I am going to bed. I have a job and a life to live.
Feel bad for you.

Carry on late nite peeps.

bazil9 on May 15, 2012 at 2:11 AM

burrata on May 15, 2012 at 2:07 AM

:D

nite burr…

bazil9 on May 15, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Bmore on May 15, 2012 at 1:33 AM

100.Nice posts tonight!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 15, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Bmore on May 15, 2012 at 1:33 AM

+ 100.Nice posts tonight!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 15, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on May 15, 2012 at 2:32 AM

Oh, for pity’s sake, I’ll be glad when the furor over this non-issue has died down.

I couldn’t care less whether gays can marry or not. As I have posted many times here, doesn’t affect the quality of my life one iota. Doesn’t really affect anyone else’s quality of life either. And I really don’t want to hear about how you don’t want your kids being exposed to it…gays are out of the closet, and they are not going to oblige anybody by going back in. Marriage or not, they’re everywhere.

The best you can do is explain to your kids why you disapprove, and be done with it.

sage0925 on May 15, 2012 at 3:02 AM

To Chris Matthews: Just shut up and let them answer the question. You don’t have to be speaking every single second. Seriously.

Theophile on May 15, 2012 at 5:14 AM

Religion is on both sides in this conflict.

That may well be – but God isn’t on both sides. This merely exposes, once again, the absurdity of worshiping multiple contradictory Gods (all called Christian)

God made man in His image and ever since then, man has been attempting to reverse that beautiful gift by sinfully remaking God into his image.

Don L on May 15, 2012 at 6:00 AM

Moaning Joe:

Scarborough: And this is a CBS-New York Times poll! And Romney leads among women! And this poll is Democrat heavy! What happened to the “gender-gap”, Mark Halperin?

Halperin: Oh, it’s just not believable.

My, it’s quite the funeral atmosphere on the Joe Sho.

Marcus on May 15, 2012 at 6:10 AM

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“I hope you evolve… I’m just teasing.”

what an idiot….

if someone from the right said that to a lib pastor
the 24/7 outrage that would ensue

he’s an idiot…

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 6:42 AM

BTW, score one for Obama. While he fired up the gays and open minded thinkers in America, he also has republicans looking like complete hate mongers. Thank goodness we don’t have to hear them pimp out Paul Ryan’s budget!

ElenaKagan on May 15, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me introduce you to one of Politico’s most obnoxious liberal commenters, Green Goddess, aka L.I.G., among several other monikers.

Her main purpose in life is to get Justice Clarence Thomas removed from the SCOTUS.

“…he also has republicans looking like complete hate mongers.”

heh, that’s pretty funny GG, considering it was blacks who voted against gay marriage by a margin of 2 to 1 in your home state of North Carolina.

Flora Duh on May 15, 2012 at 6:43 AM

Marcus on May 15, 2012 at 6:10 AM

heh

surprised they’d talk about it since it doesn’t look good for dear leader…will have to watch the 8am segment now
————–
remember how they trust polls as gospel, but this one is probably an outlier am i right?

morning marcus :)

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 6:44 AM

Marcus on May 15, 2012 at 6:27 AM

heh

morning joe just said this nyt poll is an outlier…

HA!

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 6:44 AM

we haven’t vetted mitt yet…we don’t know much about him
-morning joe crew

if they only said that about dear leader 4 years a

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 6:48 AM

They sound like token gay friends. But let’s attack Elizabeth Warren for trying to reach out to the native population, right?

ElenaKagan on May 15, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Yeah, this is an OWSer on a bender or some other misfit, not a real person. Nobody is this stupid.

Jaibones on May 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 6:44 AM

Morning there. Since when has anyone ever before on Moaning Joe called a heavily Democrat weighed poll in the New York Times an “outlier” before?

They have everyone but Tingles and Olbermann there making excuses. Richard Wolfe, check. Huffington Post guy, check. Mushmouth Eugene Robinson, check.

Mika couldn’t even get out of bed!

Marcus on May 15, 2012 at 7:07 AM

I do thinks that Obama & Co. just solidified what was once a wavering evangelical base. Looks like Romneys Mormonism won’t be a big factor after all.

Thanks team O!!!

rickyricardo on May 15, 2012 at 7:07 AM

Marcus on May 15, 2012 at 7:07 AM

heh

and the excuses will continue throughout the day on the lsm…i’m sure tingles will be freaking out later on today

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Eugene Robinson is pathetic. Obama’s numbers are awful and it finally dawns on him that Obama should stay away from The View and gay marriage and George Clooney – and maybe start talking about improving the economy. And then he calls Mitt Romney “Mr Smartypants Economic Guy”. Oh, the horror! Making President Obama do something he’s just not in to and taking him away from Hollywood and the parties and the TV cameras.

Marcus on May 15, 2012 at 7:17 AM

Marcus on May 15, 2012 at 7:17 AM

2nd that

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 7:21 AM

I hate those stupid halo photos!

I’m entirely unimpressed. I was able to compose such a photo in 8th grade, but I didn’t dwell on it.

Try something else. Maybe a stale perspective stretch. I know, a little devil-guy (in the distance) photographed in such a way to look like he’s standing on 0bama’s shoulder, telling the big 0 what to do next. Heh.

freedomfirst on May 15, 2012 at 7:31 AM

heh

and the excuses will continue throughout the day on the lsm…i’m sure tingles will be freaking out later on today

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Will that be any different than his usual unhinged behavoir?

Naturally Curly on May 15, 2012 at 7:42 AM

The battle is actually church versus church, minister versus minister, and Scripture versus Scripture…

Hmmm… Divide and conquer those opposed to certain provisions in Obamacare. While Obama might not be a brilliant man, he and his minions are devious.

Fallon on May 15, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Naturally Curly on May 15, 2012 at 7:42 AM

a little more spittle methinks :)

cmsinaz on May 15, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Obama picked ANOTHER issue to drive a wedge into the USA…

5 more months…

Khun Joe on May 15, 2012 at 8:02 AM

Ah-HAHAHAHA:
http://lucianne.com/images/lucianne/DailyPhoto/2012-05-15.jpg

Marcus on May 15, 2012 at 6:27 AM

LOL, but really, EEWWWWW

Night Owl on May 15, 2012 at 8:18 AM

BTW, score one for Obama. While he fired up the gays and open minded thinkers in America, he also has republicans looking like complete hate mongers. Thank goodness we don’t have to hear them pimp out Paul Ryan’s budget!

ElenaKagan on May 15, 2012 at 12:48 AM

.
Ladies and gentlemen, allow me introduce you to one of Politico’s most obnoxious liberal commenters, Green Goddess, aka L.I.G., among several other monikers.

Her main purpose in life is to get Justice Clarence Thomas removed from the SCOTUS.

Flora Duh on May 15, 2012 at 6:43 AM

.
Thanks Flora Duh.

Glad to make her acquaintance.

listens2glenn on May 15, 2012 at 9:23 AM

This should get its own thread: Chrissy Matthews bombs on “Jeopardy” after repeatedly mocking how badly Sarah Palin would do if she ever went on that show! Ha! Never send a washed-up, drunken hack to do a woman’s job.

Rational Thought on May 15, 2012 at 9:29 AM

There is no line between us and sinners. We are all sinful and Jesus came for all of us. The state may call it a marriage but His churches won’t. Politicians evolve the word of GOD for their own purposes, but a pastor should stand on His word.

Kissmygrits on May 15, 2012 at 9:44 AM

“The only thing that has changed in the church since the first century is who is considered ‘us,’ and who is considered ‘them,’” [Pastor Schneider] said.

I wish.

Cleombrotus on May 15, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Ah-HAHAHAHA:
http://lucianne.com/images/lucianne/DailyPhoto/2012-05-15.jpg

Marcus on May 15, 2012 at 6:27 AM

Priceless.

derecho on May 15, 2012 at 1:09 PM

“That’s the risk that people take,” he told CNN. “A lot of preachers actually don’t have a theological issue. It’s a business decision. They can’t afford to lose their parishioners and their parsonages and salaries.”

Translation: Most preachers actually don’t obey God rather than Man. They obey their pocketbooks (lucre) and Mammom.

They’re also known as false teachers and will face extra punishment for their willful sin on judgement day.

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
When all men shall speak well of you – When they shall praise or applaud you. The people of the world will not praise or applaud “my” doctrine; they are “opposed” to it, and therefore, if they speak well of “you” and of “your teachings,” it is proof that you do not teach the true doctrine. If you do “not” do this, then there will be woe upon you. If men teach false doctrines for true; if they declare that God has spoken that which he has not spoken, and if they oppose what he “has” delivered, then heavy punishments will await them.

For so did their fathers – The fathers or ancestors of this people; the ancient Jews.

To the false prophets – Men who pretended to be of God – who delivered their “own” doctrines as the truth of God, and who accommodated themselves to the desires of the people. Of this number were the prophets of Baal, the false prophets who appeared in the time of Jeremiah, etc.

AH_C on May 15, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Oh, for pity’s sake, I’ll be glad when the furor over this non-issue has died down.

I couldn’t care less whether gays can marry or not. As I have posted many times here, doesn’t affect the quality of my life one iota. Doesn’t really affect anyone else’s quality of life either. And I really don’t want to hear about how you don’t want your kids being exposed to it…gays are out of the closet, and they are not going to oblige anybody by going back in. Marriage or not, they’re everywhere.

The best you can do is explain to your kids why you disapprove, and be done with it.

sage0925 on May 15, 2012 at 3:02 AM

It pains me that anyone who visits websites could be this tragically ignorant of everything legalizing gay marriage unleashes on society.

There is only one side in the gay marriage dispute that wants to live and let live: the anti-side. Once the pro-side gets their foot in the door, no matter how tangential, no matter how temporary, the re-ordering of the social order commences.

Run a business and have religious convictions?

Better drop your conscience – because if you deny service as a photographer to say a gay wedding, you can and will be litigated into the ground.

Run a Catholic adoption agency that only places children with mothers and fathers?

Screw the kids – it’s more important to be non-discriminatory towards adults than find the ideal environment for kids.

Don’t want your kids taught in public schools from a young age, long before they can even comprehend sexuality or proper relations between genders, that marrying a boy or a girl is equally valid and healthy?

Shut up parents – you’re clearly bigots, the state knows better, and to punish you we’re upping GLAAD’s taxpayer funded support group in the school.

Some sage you are. That’s just the kind of thing that will happen in America, where we theoretically protect speech and conscience. In Canada they’ll toss you in jail for saying an untoward remark towards the only minority defined by behavior instead of immutable characteristics.

BKennedy on May 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM

But let’s attack Elizabeth Warren for trying to reach out to the native population, right?

ElenaKagan on May 15, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Her pretending to be Native American is somehow outreach? How is that? She is the only one that benefited for her claim.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM

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