Gallup: 54% say gay relations are morally acceptable

posted at 5:25 pm on May 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

The obligatory follow-up to last week’s post on gay-marriage polling. Interestingly, 54 percent marks a two-point decline from 2011, although it’s still fully 10 points higher than the number who said gay relations were morally acceptable as recently as 2006. Fluctuations in public attitudes are nothing new, though, especially on the question of whether SSM should be legal. Follow the last link and watch public support fall off a cliff in 2004 after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled in favor of gay marriage in late 2003. Support rebounded within three years but there’s a cautionary tale for David Boies and Ted Olson in that. If your ultimate goal is public acceptance of legal equality for gay relationships, the court strategy may be counterproductive.

The demographic breakdown from Gallup of where things stand in 2012:

Interesting data points: There’s a huge gender gap, even on the issue of morality; nonwhites actually approve slightly more than whites do of gay marriage; the south is nearly 20 points behind any other region on whether gay relations should be legal (not even 50 percent say yes); and Catholics, while only slightly in favor of gay marriage, say decidedly that gay relations are morally acceptable. And of course, younger Americans are nearly 20 points more likely than any other age demographic to say gay marriage should be legal. They answer all three questions here to the tune of 65-percent support or greater. How come? Television, possibly:

Glee is just one of many popular shows on television right now that feature gay characters. Those characters aren’t just entertaining us, they’re changing Americans’ attitudes toward homosexuality.

In five separate studies, professor Edward Schiappa and his colleagues at the University of Minnesota have found that the presence of gay characters on television programs decreases prejudices among viewers.

“These attitude changes are not huge,” he says. “They don’t change bigots into saints. But they can snowball.”…

More and more gay married couples are showing up on TV these days — like Grey’s Anatomy, for example — making something of a trend. NBC plans to roll out more programs with gay married couples next season. Whether these shows continue to build a positive image of gay people depends on how they’ll be portrayed, Schiappa says.

Yeah, this was one of Breitbart’s core insights, of course: In Byron York’s words, he knew that “culture is upstream from politics.” The more visible gays became over the last 20 years or so, the more the needle on this issue started to move. This is why I’m skeptical that the trend towards support for legalizing gay marriage will reverse, although no doubt it’ll eventually level off. I suspect that the more culturally familiar gays become, the less fencesitters who are otherwise leery of SSM will perceive the practice as a threat to society. They’ll reach a certain comfort level with openly gay celebrities and gay characters that’ll bring them around to the soft-support position (“I don’t care what gays do”) that I described last week. If I had to guess, I’d bet that support settles somewhere around 60/40 in the next few years — unless there’s a Supreme Court ruling, which could set it back hugely — and then stays there for awhile before ticking upward slowly over time.


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Pocket book politics.

Bmore on May 14, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Gallup: 54% say gay relations are morally acceptable

“Say” much different than “Vote”…

hillsoftx on May 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Isn’t this how the end of the Roman Empire began?

LoganSix on May 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Look-at how many #$%’s I give.

Theworldisnotenough on May 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

How many consecutive days has atheist posted about “gay” anything??

Let’s hope Salem is watching

Eph on May 14, 2012 at 5:29 PM

yawn….who cares..do who ya want..

therightwinger on May 14, 2012 at 5:30 PM

A gay poll.

CycloneCDB on May 14, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Just because some say something is morally acceptable doesn’t mean it’s truly moral.

The morality and concepts of morality of this nation and world have taken quite a slide down and to the left over the past century. So, anything the masses say when it comes to “moral” issues, I’m going to want to take with a block of salt.

Logus on May 14, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Thinking about it, it probably centers on what people actually mean by “morally acceptable”.
How many would say that it should be promoted?

Count to 10 on May 14, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Bumps Ed at “top picks” in 3…2…1…

Eph on May 14, 2012 at 5:31 PM

It’s pretty simple: the only real news about gays has been the “good news.” We don’t hear about Same-sex harassment, or teachers unions forcing 6 year olds into lesbian wedding ceremonies.

Once we see the gay mafia out in their pink jack-boot form, like after 2008, then gay marriage support will dip once more. And the inevitable story once they try to shut down some church somewhere will cut down support in a hurry.

Most people are a “live and let live” bit. But gays (at least the political ones) don’t want that; they want a “my way or the highway” approach forced on every last bit of society. And that will never happen.

Vanceone on May 14, 2012 at 5:31 PM

“Say” much different than “Vote”…

hillsoftx on May 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Or rather, those who actually turn out to vote feel a lot differently than those who sit at home and say stuff to pollsters.

Allahpundit on May 14, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Interestingly, 54 percent marks a two-point decline from 2011, although it’s still fully 10 points higher than the number who said gay relations were morally acceptable as recently as 2006

So what? There’s quite a gap, I think, between “that’s morally acceptable” and “hey, let’s redefine the oldest institution in recorded human history.”

and Catholics, while only slightly in favor of gay marriage, say decidedly that gay relations are morally acceptable.

Oy vey…

Kensington on May 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Gallup: 54% say gay relations are morally acceptable

Correct for the number of people who call it “morally acceptable” only because they’ve been told that all homosexuals are born that way, and I bet that number goes much, much lower.

People are very loath to say something is wrong if they think the people doing it have no choice, or are just “born that way.”

tom on May 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM

It’s only been a few days since NC. People need to remember PPP’s Tom Jensen saying “Hate to say it but I don’t believe polls showing majority support for gay marriage nationally. Any time there’s a vote it doesn’t back it up”

http://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls/status/200035055287013379

Polls on this subject are useless. There is clearly a serious Bradley effect going on.

Doomberg on May 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM

54% don’t know what morals are.

BobMbx on May 14, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Starving debt laden citizens of weak countries don’t have the time or energy to devote to social issues like gay marriage.

If we don’t get our country’s fiscal house in some semblance of order, the gay marriage issue will be a moot point.

We are focusing our attention on cosmetics when the patient is dying of cancer.

MessesWithTexas on May 14, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Once again – the definition of the word “Catholic” is loose, at best.

CycloneCDB on May 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Gallup: 54% say gay relations are morally acceptable

Now minus 7% from that, and then remember that 50 percent of those who say they support SSM, never actually bother to vote. Which leaves you realistically with… a 22.5 percent approval rate.

SWalker on May 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I don’t determine my morality from polls… see, there’s this book out there, kind of a best seller… has a lot of insight into what’s right and wrong. Maybe you can find it on Amazon.

tyketto on May 14, 2012 at 5:39 PM

People are very loath to say something is wrong if they think the people doing it have no choice, or are just “born that way.”

tom on May 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM

They are also extremely reluctant to say they don’t support something the Fifth Column Treasonous Media has been cramming down their throats for the last 40 years.

SWalker on May 14, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Let’s start asking SSM proponents how they feel about religious organizations that won’t employ openly practicing homosexuals and how they feel about religious organizations that won’t perform SSM wedding ceremonies.

Then gays will really start showing their colors.

BuckeyeSam on May 14, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Gallup: 54% say gay relations are morally acceptable

A very interesting question would be, “how many think homosexuality is morally equivalent?”

At least part of the objection to same-sex marriage is from the demand that homosexuality be not just tolerated or accepted, but treated as morally equivalent.

tom on May 14, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Gallup: 54% say gay relations are morally acceptable
…BUT NOT IN THEIR STATE !

FYI – more important info the socialist media will NEVER tell you:
…In each of the 32 states where voters have been permitted to express their views, “marriage” has been certified as a union between a man and a woman, period, by an overwhelming majority of voters! (and that includes california !!!!)
…In several of these states, corrupt, activist, leftist judges have trashed and rejected the will of the people on marriage and substituted their own personal sexual preference instead. (The most obscene such case is in california, naturally)
…The ONLY states that legally support non-traditional marriage are those controlled by the d-cRAT socialists. These states have imposed the leftist marriage ideology by legislative fiat and have prohibited citizens from directly voting on this issue. (A recent example of this is Maryland)
…In the recent vote in North Carolina that was overwhelmingly in favor of traditional marriage, blacks (who are mostly registered as d-cRATs) voted 2-1 in support of traditional marriage.

TeaPartyNation on May 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM

This is a loser issue for the Dems. The polls are misleading.

The polls are misleading due to a combo of the Tom Bradley effect, intensity of opposition, and concentrated opposition in some key swing states. Republicans should not duck and cover from this issue.

Pat Buchanan insists that Republicans should stand firm and vocal on the gay issue: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/14/buchanan-to-gop-fight-for-marriage-or-get-out-of-the-way-audio/

anotherJoe on May 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Yeah, this was one of Breitbart’s core insights, of course: In Byron York’s words, he knew that “culture is upstream from politics.” The more visible gays became over the last 20 years or so, the more the needle on this issue started to move.

This is the only instance that I can think of where Breitbart would have been overjoyed by what the media has done with an issue. Did Breitbart differ from current Republican positions on any other issue?

thuja on May 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Allahpundit, pushing the push polls that he himself admitted are completely inaccurate.

Because lying push polls don’t push themselves.

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 5:45 PM

If being gay is so accepted in Hollywood, why doesn’t George Clooney come out? Why doesn’t he make a movie about a gay married couple? Why? It should BOOST his popularity according to all these polls. It should enhance his career and not effect his popularity at all. Right?

djl130 on May 14, 2012 at 5:46 PM

54% seems low for “relations”…
regardless The One is in polling data code red

mjbrooks3 on May 14, 2012 at 5:47 PM

No one ever answers these questions: If “redefining” marriage away from one man and one woman is the new “civil right,” why don’t those same arguments work for polygamy or incestuous marriages? I’m not being sarcastic here. I am totally serious. Have we decided in some de facto way that a marriage must always have just two unrelated people in it? When did we decide that? Didn’t we decide that when we also decided that marriage is between one man and one woman? Don’t the two go hand in hand? If we “redefine” marriage, doesn’t the 2-person rule need to be in the new definition? And if it isn’t, then doesn’t any “redefinition” simply then mean that “anything goes”? And do we want an “anything goes” definition for marriage? Why not marriage between siblings? Don’t they have civil rights? Why not a father and a daughter? A mother and a son? Is the argument here that all marriages should be between two unrelated people above the age of consent, regardless of gender? Why are we limiting it to that? Is there some benefit to society that marriages be only between two people? And if so, is that benefit amplified if those two people are opposite genders? And if not, then why limit it to just two people, if there is no known benefit to society in that?

No one ever answers these questions…

Rational Thought on May 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Catholics, while only slightly in favor of gay marriage, say decidedly that gay relations are morally acceptable.

While I still say these polls are mostly crap this line is interesting. Considering at least half the people self identifying as Catholics have probably not seen the inside of a church in 10 years or more it’s amazing that “Catholics” are only slightly in favor of redefining marriage to include same sex unions.

Rocks on May 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Why aren’t Malia and Sasha being raised by a gay couple, since that is obviously the desired method?

profitsbeard on May 14, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Yep, that’s how morals are determined–majority opinion.

cartooner on May 14, 2012 at 5:49 PM

54%? Amazing, and yet every time it appears on the ballot these so called 54% are no where to be found. 1%, 99%, 54%, 220, 221 whatever it takes.

reddevil on May 14, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Pat Buchanan insists that Republicans should stand firm and vocal on the gay issue: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/14/buchanan-to-gop-fight-for-marriage-or-get-out-of-the-way-audio/

anotherJoe on May 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Yeah, that is a fantastic idea. Let’s go ahead and completely alienate the youth voting block by being vocally against an issue they overwhelmingly support, and drive them over to the democrats. That won’t come back to bite us in the ass in the future, surely! While we’re at it, let’s go ahead and focus all of our efforts on amending the constitution to ban gay marriage! Brilliant! /s

theoddmanout on May 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Considering at least half the people self identifying as Catholics have probably not seen the inside of a church in 10 years or more it’s amazing that “Catholics” are only slightly in favor of redefining marriage to include same sex unions.

Rocks on May 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

There’s a popular conception that church-attending Catholics are the conservative ones, but that hasn’t been my experience. Now I’ll grant that I can only speak to my experience in Chicago and New York, but the pews of my churches have always been loaded up with moral equivalence, abortion enthusiasm and same sex marriage cheerleading.

It’s very sad.

Kensington on May 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Gallup: 54% say gay relations are morally acceptable

Of course they do..for the same reason everyone’s favorite fall back Bible quote is “Do not judge” not knowing the context of it. No one wants to be judgemental, but if you ask them if they would be happy if one of their children turned gay or if their church started endorsing gay marriage; I bet you would get a whole different answer.

melle1228 on May 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Until gays can have sex with 12 yr old,boys we will be a nation of bigots. Trust me, the next stage of this farce after homosexual marriage is a frontal attack on age of consent. Personally, I believe that if everyone would commit to bisexualism all of this marriage crap would be moot. It’s about enlarging the available pool and removing the stigma of homosexuality in general and women’s distaste for a man who’s tainted in the specific.For women in general the river only flows one way and once you’ve gone downstream you can’t paddle back. Remove that impediment and voila! you have much larger pool to swim in.

rik on May 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Are we going to acknowledge that “non-whites” are more supportive of gay marriage in this poll than whites? Can we retire this idea that blacks and latinos are more “backwards” on these issues than whites?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

yawn….who cares..do who ya want..

therightwinger on May 14, 2012 at 5:30 PM

I’m with you. I am so beyond bored with this topic. I don’t give a rat’s behind who is sleeping with whom, as long as it’s not children or animals.

sage0925 on May 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

No one wants to be labeled a racist homophobe.
In public.

Electrongod on May 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Now now, gay marriage is the most important civil rights policy since slavery dont’cha know. Btw, still waiting for all those bigoted gay marriage supporters to let polygamists marry the people they love.

clearbluesky on May 14, 2012 at 5:53 PM

gay relations are like saying to God, “yeah i know you specifically created males and females to compliment each other and go together but forget your stupid intentions!! i have a better idea!!”

Sachiko on May 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Yeah, that is a fantastic idea. Let’s go ahead and completely alienate the youth voting block by being vocally against an issue they overwhelmingly support, and drive them over to the democrats. That won’t come back to bite us in the ass in the future, surely!

theoddmanout on May 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM

When I was in college, immersed in left-wing culture, I was very supportive of same sex marriage and any other special right that could be applied to homosexuals.

Then I left college and grew up, and over the next decade or so came to realize that I’d been subject to an awful lot of homosexual propaganda when I was younger.

In other words, just because young people overwhelmingly support such things is no guarantee they won’t grow up and come to their senses in a few years.

Kensington on May 14, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Now now, gay marriage is the most important civil rights policy since slavery dont’cha know. Btw, still waiting for all those bigoted gay marriage supporters to let polygamists marry the people they love.

clearbluesky on May 14, 2012 at 5:53 PM

No one can actually explain why it rises to equal protection under the law other than to say its not fair. Its not fair is not a legal position.

melle1228 on May 14, 2012 at 5:55 PM

I think the fact that it rebounded so quickly undercuts the idea that it is a cautionary tale. I am sure that there would be an initial shift in the polls if SCOTUS were to decide that bans on SSM are unconstitutional due to overreaction, but it seems likely that it would be quite temporary and the increase would continue.

McDuck on May 14, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Why aren’t Malia and Sasha being raised by a gay couple, since that is obviously the desired method?

profitsbeard on May 14, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Who says they arent?

tom daschle concerned on May 14, 2012 at 5:55 PM

I am adamantly opposed to states or the feds making same-sex unions be called “marriage”. It is like trying to redefine the word “up”, and it forces public institutions to also call it gay marriage.

I am totally fine, however, with two people of the same sex going to their local liberal church and having a minister call them married. I won’t view it that way, but if they want to play house, go for it.

See, one would affect me and my grandkids in school. The other does not affect me one bit.

PastorJon on May 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Yeah, that is a fantastic idea. Let’s go ahead and completely alienate the youth voting block by being vocally against an issue they overwhelmingly support, and drive them over to the democrats. That won’t come back to bite us in the ass in the future, surely! While we’re at it, let’s go ahead and focus all of our efforts on amending the constitution to ban gay marriage! Brilliant! /s

theoddmanout on May 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Watch the clip again. Pat wasn’t calling for amending the constitution. Geez. Besides that, we’re supposed to give up on a set of beliefs just because someone else doesn’t like it?

reddevil on May 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Examples of push polls

Poll 1: Are you just sick and tired of AP posting about gay marriage?
Yes

Poll 2: Based on Obama and Romney’s recent pronouncements, isn’t gay marriage an important political issue?
Yes

Poll 3: Is the biological basis for heterosexual sex radically different from that for homosexual sex?
Yes

Poll 4: Would you like to sip a tall cool glass of water with a twist of lemon right now?
Yes

Poll 5: If I want the answer to this question to be “yes”, then will you say “yes”?
Yes

Paul-Cincy on May 14, 2012 at 5:57 PM

libfreeordie, non-white is a broad category. What do you think the support for SSM is in the black community compared to whites?

McDuck on May 14, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Add more to this. He is simply incredible!

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Isn’t this how the end of the Roman Empire began?

LoganSix on May 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

That, and also the state overextending itself, with too many civil service jobs and pensions, and then they collapsed, with vandals stealing all the metal fixtures they could to trade for hard goods. Nothing like what’s going on now. /

Paul-Cincy on May 14, 2012 at 6:00 PM

How much of this “approval” is nothing more than ‘what goes on in private, behind closed doors is no one elses concern’.

I’m told that “gay marriage” and the “Republican War on Women” are the only things being discussed in the local unemployment line.

GarandFan on May 14, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Yep, that’s how morals are determined–majority opinion.

cartooner on May 14, 2012 at 5:49 PM

I suspect that you were being sarcastic. In case you weren’t, you hit the nail pretty close to the head. The fact is that most of our morality is based on consensus opinion.

MJBrutus on May 14, 2012 at 6:01 PM

theoddmanout, I commend you for trying, but many here simply can’t see how this issue is more like race and gender than other social issues when it comes to longterm shifts and party affiliation. You are absolutely correct to think of the big picture.

McDuck on May 14, 2012 at 6:01 PM

“Morally acceptable” is a irrelevant, meaningless, equivocating postmodernist phrase. It challenges the respondee to take a stand and paint themselves a zealot, rather than report their personal beliefs.

It would have been more informative to ask “morally right” or “morally wrong.” “Morally acceptable” sounds like the inverse of the first question – saying “no” sounds like one is advocating Santorumite sharia courts or the like.

HitNRun on May 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

…whatever two concenting adults do that floats their boat is fine with me…civil unions I have no problem with…’marriage’ I have a problem with…’morally’ and ‘acceptable used together… I have a problem with…guess, there’s something wrong with me.
but then, to me more important…is this!
.
.
.
…it’s the ECONOMY stupid…!!!

KOOLAID2 on May 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Exit only.

Little Boomer on May 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

gay relations are like saying to God, “yeah i know you specifically created males and females to compliment each other and go together but forget your stupid intentions!! i have a better idea!!”

Sachiko on May 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Actually it’s a lot worse than that, it’s like saying to God, I know you are the final arbitrator of good and evil and have already declared that Homosexuality is an abomination in your sight, but your rules suck.

SWalker on May 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Are we going to acknowledge that “non-whites” are more supportive of gay marriage in this poll than whites? Can we retire this idea that blacks and latinos are more “backwards” on these issues than whites?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Clearly, one Gallup poll is the final word on this issue.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

I suspect that you were being sarcastic. In case you weren’t, you hit the nail pretty close to the head. The fact is that most of our morality is based on consensus opinion.

MJBrutus on May 14, 2012 at 6:01 PM

That’s not morality anymore than majority support for abortion means it is moral. Morals and values transcend society. What you are thinking of is culture not morals.

melle1228 on May 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Political leaders should really have nothing to do with the question of the morality of homosexual acts, but I don’t buy these numbers for a second if around 75% of the nation does indeed have at least some sort of Judeo-Christian background.

Let’s be honest, if you said in “homosexuality is a sin” at any sort of public gathering, you might as well be using the “N” word to the PC Police.

People are hiding their true feelings on the matter because of the McCarthyism of the Left.

BradTank on May 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Correct for the number of people who call it “morally acceptable” only because they’ve been told that all homosexuals are born that way, and I bet that number goes much, much lower.

You are right. Most people don’t know that the study that started people believing gayness is genetic has never been replicated – which makes that first study worthless. Most people really do believe gays were born that way; hence the percentage.

marybel on May 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM

libfreeordie, non-white is a broad category. What do you think the support for SSM is in the black community compared to whites?

McDuck on May 14, 2012 at 5:57 PM

I think the more relevant question is where are black Christians in relationship to white Christians when it comes to SSM. But there are very few pollsters who engage that question. Its easier to create a meme about “black people” not liking SSM.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM

nonwhites actually approve slightly more than whites do of gay marriage

Ignore the votes, trust the poll?

Stoic Patriot on May 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Catholics, while only slightly in favor of gay marriage, say decidedly that gay relations are morally acceptable.

While I still say these polls are mostly crap this line is interesting. Considering at least half the people self identifying as Catholics have probably not seen the inside of a church in 10 years or more it’s amazing that “Catholics” are only slightly in favor of redefining marriage to include same sex unions.

Rocks on May 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Again, gay marriage doesn’t redefine a thing about anyone else’s marriage. And this “redefinition” baloney seems to be the best the gay marriage opponents can do. Not your marriage or anyone’s marriage is at all “redefined” or hurt or anything if two guys or two girls marry. Worry about your own marriage…and considering the 50% divorce rate, pre-nups, not to mention “Bridezillas” reality shows (puke), heteros have certainly redefined traditional marriage nicely all by themselves.

Believe me, I’m at mass every single Sunday. tbh I might miss one here and there, but that’s the exception not the rule. This higher support of gay marriage by my fellow Catholics simply points out one of the key differences between our Church and the Evangelical/Fundamentalist crowd…the understanding that no man should judge another without first judging themselves. Telling gays that they are evil and going to hell doesn’t help a kid with any self-esteem.

I agree with you on the whole “cafeteria Catholics” who show up at mass for Christmas and Easter only. But you’re doing what so many opponents of gay marriage do…and that’s to deny deny deny. A poll says support for gay marriage is up? It’s a bogus poll. Catholics support gay marriage at a higher rate than Protestants? It must be all the cafeteria Catholics. There’s always some excuse to try and invalidate anything that is more supportive of gay marriage in general.

JetBoy on May 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Poll question: Do you think gay relations are morally acceptable?

Choose one:
Yes, I love everyone and want everyone to be happy
No, I’m a hateful bigot

Paul-Cincy on May 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Gallup: 54% say gay relations are morally acceptable

Do they mean “gay,” like “happy” or something else?

Deafdog on May 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Its easier to create a meme about “black people” not liking SSM.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM

When two out of three blacks voted for the amendment in North Caroline, it became very easy indeed.

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

What you are thinking of is culture not morals.

melle1228 on May 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM

What am I saying is that the two are often pretty much the same thing.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not being a complete relativist here. I do believe that certain values do transcend society and I think are morally wrong in any context. However that set of ideas is much smaller than most around here. Basically, I draw the line when one’s behavior lessens the liberty of another.

I certainly do not ascribe to the Theistic notion of an unchanging, fixed hand book of right and wrong for all things covered within it’s pages.

MJBrutus on May 14, 2012 at 6:10 PM

“Gay relations”.

How kind. Wonder what the results of this poll would be if they described those “relations”, who does what to who, and where it’s done, and how filthy gross it is.

fogw on May 14, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Wait… according to that poll, 63% of adults nationally say that gay relations should be legal. Uh… am I reading that wrong? Not gay marriage, but gay relations. Does that mean that this poll is saying that 37% of adults say that gay and lesbian sex should be illegal? And, if so, why is that not the story??

Shump on May 14, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Again, what percentage of evangelical whites supported Amendment 1?

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Stop the Bigotry Against Polygamy!

(Coming Soon To a Theater Country Near You)

profitsbeard on May 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Gallup? Scewed in favor of gayness. As with other political polls.

jake49 on May 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

There’s always some excuse to try and invalidate anything that is more supportive of gay marriage in general.

JetBoy on May 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Or… just maybe… it’s the homosexual activists who are vastly exaggerating their support, and the actual electoral results are the true measure?

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

How kind. Wonder what the results of this poll would be if they described those “relations”, who does what to who, and where it’s done, and how filthy gross it is.

fogw on May 14, 2012 at 6:10 PM

I always feel bad for people who express these kinds of ideas, it really speaks to how sad and boring their sex lives are. Gay people don’t have a monopoly on anal, oral or bdsm sex. And, I suspect, the vast majority of conservative heteros on this board are thankful for that.

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Again, gay marriage doesn’t redefine a thing about anyone else’s marriage. And this “redefinition” baloney seems to be the best the gay marriage opponents can do.

Umm no it isn’t. Gay marriage does to rise to the level of equal protection anymore than incestuous ones do. None of you gay marriage supporters can explain why it does. All we hear is that will never happen.. It won’t open the door to polygamy and incest state recognition. And yet, we have seen time and time again that gays are predictable. Remember DADT wasn’t a back door to gay marriage; it was just about people serving their country. Yet the day it was repealed the lawsuits started…

melle1228 on May 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Actually it’s a lot worse than that, it’s like saying to God, I know you are the final arbitrator of good and evil and have already declared that Homosexuality is an abomination in your sight, but your rules suck.

SWalker on May 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

I take it you are not a Catholic…

If you were, you’d be reading a proper bible and not the KJV with it’s hundreds of translational errors. Not to mention either, that the often quoted anti-gay verse from Leviticus is God’s law, but just a couple of sentences away ore other “abominations” like shaving, eating pork or shellfish, or wearing cotton blend t-shirts. Oh, and if your kids back sass you, their blood shall be upon them.

those doen’t count tho…only the anti-gay thing does. *eye roll*

JetBoy on May 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Who’s participating in the polls? Porn addicts, alcoholics, and people who cheat on their spouses are very tolerant of sex outside marriage, including gay sex outside marriage. Of that I have no doubt.

RBMN on May 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

So, let’s put it to a vote. Then we can watch the lying liars, who lie to support their false agenda, heads explode….

frizzbee on May 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

gay?

Feh.

ted c on May 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

I take it you are not a Catholic…

JetBoy on May 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

I am a Catholic, and I find your insinuation that homosexual activities are not considered enormous sins by the Church, to be hilarious to the point where I think you’re not just a Moby on conservative matters, but also in religious ones as well.

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Or… just maybe… it’s the homosexual activists who are vastly exaggerating their support, and the actual electoral results are the true measure?

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

So Gallup is a “homosexual activist” group? Maybe, just maybe, it’s the homophobic activists who are vastly exaggerating reasons to deny gays marriage. At least I criticize the vapid and loud extremists on the gay side, too bad there aren’t enough on the other side to criticize you extremists as well.

See, works both ways.

JetBoy on May 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I am so beyond bored with this topic. I don’t give a rat’s behind who is sleeping with whom, as long as it’s not children or animals.

sage0925 on May 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Sorry you’re bored. When a great nation becomes so decadent that it can’t see the difference between truth and lie, between moral and immoral, it can give rise to ennui in many things.

And what’s wrong with pedophilia and bestiality? I assure you, the same silly, specious arguments being used by fools to support homosexual marriage can be used equally well with those two lovely categories (and polygamy too). Think I’m exagerrating? Oh dear.

spiritof61 on May 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Or… just maybe… it’s the homosexual activists who are vastly exaggerating their support, and the actual electoral results are the true measure?

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Old people 65+ (who are still conservative on gay issues) are underrepresented in polls. When they die off, the polls will begin to accurately reflect the votes.

Armin Tamzarian on May 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Enough with these polls that say the American people support this.Look at the election results in every state that as voted on this issue .Even Calf. voted it down and if it could not win there were can it win.

logman1 on May 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I am a Catholic, and I find your insinuation that homosexual activities are not considered enormous sins by the Church, to be hilarious to the point where I think you’re not just a Moby on conservative matters, but also in religious ones as well.

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM

A) I wasn’t talking to you

B) You best study up on the CCC. Homosexuality is in no way considered an “enormous sin”…nor any sin…by the Vatican. But why start now with those pesky facts that get in the way of your own mentality.

JetBoy on May 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Or… just maybe… it’s the homosexual activists who are vastly exaggerating their support, and the actual electoral results are the true measure?

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Electoral results are the result of who is deeply invested in the issue. In some instances thats a fair measure of the electorate. But there’s no question that those who oppose homosexuality feel stronger about it than those who find it “morally acceptable.”

libfreeordie on May 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

ironically,many black preachers who oppose gay marriage are closeted gays. it’s called on-the down low

gemini on May 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

They’re here they’re queer ‘n’ stuff…

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

How about this? Approve or disapprove of homosexuality, it’s up to you. The moment you try to turn your approval or disapproval into criminal activity, you’ll meet the Second Amendment.

Straight? Gay? Bi? Attracted to Snarf from the Thundercats? Doesn’t matter. Carry a gun.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Maybe, just maybe, it’s the homophobic activists who are vastly exaggerating reasons to deny gays marriage.

JetBoy on May 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Please do tell how 32 states voted down homosexual marriage, and how 42 states have made it flat out illegal, to be “vastly exaggerating”?

Because where I come from, that’s called “hard evidence”.

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Great, but it doesn’t mean “they” can define marriage…marriage is already defined, between a man and a woman.

right2bright on May 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

How about this? Approve or disapprove of homosexuality, it’s up to you. The moment you try to turn your approval or disapproval into criminal activity, you’ll meet the Second Amendment.

Straight? Gay? Bi? Attracted to Snarf from the Thundercats? Doesn’t matter. Carry a gun.

MadisonConservative on May 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM

I am good with that!

melle1228 on May 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

right2bright on May 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Speaking from a legal point of view, you are wrong in 7 or 8 states. You can call it what you want, but marriage between same sex couples in those states is a legal fact.

MJBrutus on May 14, 2012 at 6:24 PM

You best study up on the CCC.

JetBoy on May 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

The Catholic Church opposes gay marriage and the social acceptance of homosexuality and same-sex relationships, but teaches that homosexual persons deserve respect, justice and pastoral care. The Vatican and Pope John Paul II are speaking out against the growing number of places that recognize same-sex marriages.

Rebar on May 14, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Did you see this article Madcon

Purported gang members attack war veteran they thought was gay

Two purported Greeley gang members are facing a felony for an alleged hate crime after police said they attacked a war veteran in a bar because they thought he was gay. Both of the alleged attackers wound up in the hospital with injuries from the scuffle.

The pair is accused of assaulting Michael Lamonday, 24 — a business student at Aims Community College, a twice-deployed Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran, and a newlywed — last weekend at a local college bar.

“You shouldn’t just think of someone as the way you see them, because you don’t know who you’re going to start something with,” Lamonday said Wednesday. “I think they just thought I was some little white guy who couldn’t defend himself, but they found out the hard way.”

In what would have normally been a case of misdemeanor assault after a bar fight, Jordon Tapia and Mason Meza, both 21, are facing the possibility of prison for allegations of committing a biased-motivated crime, plus a host of other misdemeanors.

melle1228 on May 14, 2012 at 6:25 PM

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