Are we suffering from “bad religion”?
posted at 1:31 pm on May 13, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
Ross Douthat believes so, and he expounds on his theory in a new book, Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics, which argues that our religion has become as extreme as our politics as the two have intertwined. Douthat, always an intriguing conservative writer, expounds on this argument in an interview with the National Post in Canada. The Post sets up the central premise of the book in its prologue:
The centre began to crumble as the sexual revolution, globalization and increased wealth led to the decline of the mainstream churches. In its place emerged a nation that turned to the extremes: from Glenn Beck to Oprah Winfrey. Yes, that Oprah. The queen of self-actualization, says Mr. Douthat, preaches a brand of spirituality that is self-centred, destructive and parasitic.
There is much to agree with in Douthat’s interview. As people fall away from traditional churches, they tend to look for other saviors. Douthat calls this a “God haunted” affliction; we have a deep-seated religious impulse that will go in destructive directions when we try to elevate the secular to the divine. To the extent that people do so with Beck, Winfrey, and other secular figures is their own error, since neither figure explicitly claims to be a religious leader, even if their fans sometimes treat them as such.
Of course, we’ve often noted the messianic treatment of one particular secular figure in American politics, by both his supporters and a national media that should know better:
Q: What about when that impulse moves to politics?
A: When religious institutions are weak, as they are now, people with strong religious impulses are more likely to pour that fervour into politics. I argue that this take two forms — messianic and apocalyptic. Both are mirror-image heresies. It can take a messianic form where you assume that politics is the mechanism for bringing about the kingdom of heaven on Earth. This has always been the liberal temptation: to basically assume you can overcome human nature through political reform and bring the New Jerusalem down to Earth yourself. Look at the Barack Obama campaign in 2008 and its quasi-religious air: Magazine covers showed Obama with halos on his head and you had celebrities singing for him on YouTube. He had a messianic style.
Obama certainly had a messianic style himself, but that would have been a subject for lampooning by the media — if they hadn’t busied themselves covering Obama with the same messianic fervor as his fans. (Arguably, Obama’s fans and the media are redundant.) The difference between 2008 and 2012 is that fewer media outlets are treating Obama as The One, which is why his distraction strategy isn’t working very well, at least so far. Even when he gets the press to bite, as they did with same-sex marriage, they actually bit, castigating Obama for not having the courage to drop the “evolution” pretense and quit lying about his position. Instead of stretching out a “will he or won’t he” storyline all summer long as a distraction to sinking jobs and economic numbers, the attention forced Obama to bring the strategy to a quick conclusion … which was predictably followed by another burst of messianic coverage.
The problem in this case is that people move away from religion, though, and not so much (or not always) that religion itself moves. For instance, in Obama’s post-SSM justification, he claimed that Christian teaching led him to support the legalization of same-sex marriage, an absurd argument that is utterly unsupported in Scripture or in traditional teaching in any of the more established Christian sects. Nancy Pelosi made the same argument. None of the media challenged these statements, which shows how little reporters know about Christian Scripture or traditional teaching. That isn’t a church moving toward an extreme; it’s the churches staying in the same spot they have been for centuries or millenia, while the culture moves away from religion. That is hardly a case of bad religion, although a strong argument can be made that it might be bad religious formation for churchgoers, which is another subject entirely, and one of significant worth.
That brings me to one argument from Douthat which provides another example of the same:
But that being said, I do think in the civil rights movement, religion related to the culture as a whole and there was a sense that it was easier in that era for religious figures to be influential in a way that transcended partisan divisions. Look at today when the [Roman] Catholic bishops come out against abortion. The assumption is they are siding with the Republican party. At mid-century it was easier for religious figures to present a message that was Christian first and then liberal or conservative second.
Douthat offers this as though the Catholic Church decided in the 1960s that abortion went against Catholic doctrine, and was motivated by a desire to become more Republican (when Kennedy was President?). That reveals a rather large gap in knowledge for someone who wants to write about Bad Religion. While it’s true that the Second Vatican Council addressed abortion in 1965 by calling it “an unspeakable crime” (Pastoral Constitution of the Church in the Modern World, section 51), this was hardly the first teaching on abortion by the Catholic Church. It remains one of the few acts that can result in automatic excommunication latae sententiae from the Church (paragraph 2272 of the Catechism), although of course a remorseful confession and penance would remedy the status of the individual who procures one:
Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,”77 ”by the very commission of the offense,”78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
This teaching goes back almost literally to the founding of the Christian faith, as the website Catholic Answers shows:
- “The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child” (Didache 2:1–2 [A.D. 70]).
- Athenagoras: “What man of sound mind, therefore, will affirm, while such is our character, that we are murderers?
. . . [W]hen we say that those women who use drugs to bring on abortion commit murder, and will have to give an account to God for the abortion, on what principle should we commit murder? For it does not belong to the same person to regard the very fetus in the womb as a created being, and therefore an object of God’s care, and when it has passed into life, to kill it; and not to expose an infant, because those who expose them are chargeable with child-murder, and on the other hand, when it has been reared to destroy it” (A Plea for the Christians 35 [A.D. 177]). - Tertullian:”In our case, a murder being once for all forbidden, we may not destroy even the fetus in the womb, while as yet the human being derives blood from the other parts of the body for its sustenance. To hinder a birth is merely a speedier man-killing; nor does it matter whether you take away a life that is born, or destroy one that is coming to birth. That is a man which is going to be one; you have the fruit already in its seed” (Apology 9:8 [A.D. 197]).”Among surgeons’ tools there is a certain instrument, which is formed with a nicely-adjusted flexible frame for opening the uterus first of all and keeping it open; it is further furnished with an annular blade, by means of which the limbs [of the child] within the womb are dissected with anxious but unfaltering care; its last appendage being a blunted or covered hook, wherewith the entire fetus is extracted by a violent delivery.”There is also [another instrument in the shape of] a copper needle or spike, by which the actual death is managed in this furtive robbery of life: They give it, from its infanticide function, the name of embruosphaktes, [meaning] “the slayer of the infant,” which of course was alive. . . .”[The doctors who performed abortions] all knew well enough that a living being had been conceived, and [they] pitied this most luckless infant state, which had first to be put to death, to escape being tortured alive” (The Soul 25 [A.D. 210]).
- Council of Ancyra: “Concerning women who commit fornication, and destroy that which they have conceived, or who are employed in making drugs for abortion, a former decree excluded them until the hour of death, and to this some have assented. Nevertheless, being desirous to use somewhat greater lenity, we have ordained that they fulfill ten years [of penance], according to the prescribed degrees” (canon 21 [A.D. 314]).
- John Chrysostom: “Wherefore I beseech you, flee fornication. . . . Why sow where the ground makes it its care to destroy the fruit?—where there are many efforts at abortion?—where there is murder before the birth? For even the harlot you do not let continue a mere harlot, but make her a murderess also. You see how drunkenness leads to prostitution, prostitution to adultery, adultery to murder; or rather to a something even worse than murder. For I have no name to give it, since it does not take off the thing born, but prevents its being born. Why then do thou abuse the gift of God, and fight with his laws, and follow after what is a curse as if a blessing, and make the chamber of procreation a chamber for murder, and arm the woman that was given for childbearing unto slaughter? For with a view to drawing more money by being agreeable and an object of longing to her lovers, even this she is not backward to do, so heaping upon thy head a great pile of fire. For even if the daring deed be hers, yet the causing of it is thine” (Homilies on Romans 24 [A.D. 391]).
And so on. The USCCB is an odd target anyway for Douthat as an example of extremity in conservative politics. The bishops have pressed for universal health-care coverage for almost a century, a longstanding policy goal of Democrats, not Republicans, and were supporters of ObamaCare until it started to dawn on them last year that the law gave the Obama administration so much power that they could force the church to fund contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients, all of which violate Catholic doctrine. The HHS mandate in late January showed just how much Obama and his administration cared about the concerns of their one-time allies in the health-care “reform” fight.
Once again, the issue isn’t that the Catholic Church (in this example) moved at all, but that Democrats so fiercely adopted a pro-abortion policy that the Catholic Church ended up with only Republicans as allies on that issue. The church didn’t move, and the religion certainly didn’t change; Catholics merely defended their position as they always have in a culture that has leaped toward a utilitarian view of life rather than see its sacred nature, the latter of which is foundational to Catholic teachings, and always has been.
That, it seems to me, is most of the problem that Douthat describes. As people move away from the moorings of traditional religion, they fill that vacuum with cultural substitutes, while the culture descends from those traditional values to a “whatever works” mentality. That’s the proximate cause for turning Winfrey, Beck, and Obama into ersatz Messiahs to the extent that they have become such, not that religion itself moved. Maybe what we need is a little more of that old-time religion, and better formation in it, to inoculate ourselves to those outcomes.
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New meme: What would candidate obama do? WWCOD
If only (candidate) Obama knew!
aquaviva on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
I feel so sorry for you Obama-azz-dwelleres.
Suffocate from what you’ve consumed, you traitors.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Dwellers…it ain’t Beluga caviar…you’ve been consuming Obama’s shit. Suffocate from it, slowly and painfully.
I hope that Messrs. Ailes and Murdoch will fight for the 1st, with all their might, and the help of the ACLU and any decent leftist, hah.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Chuck “Frog” Todd discovers the scorpion.
Mr. D on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
It’s just like the gun laws they want. A national registry prevents anyone from ever discussing in public whether or not they might have guns. You might have liberal (re: Communist) neighbors that would report you to the moral authorities…
Freakin’ USSA
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM
Soviets would be proud.
goflyers on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
At this point, can’t we just make Cuba the 58th state already?
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Obviously, Todd and all those singing his same tune have lost all credibility. Worse, those on the Left are also traitors.
Love,
Obama’s Choirboys
Chris Matthews
Our trolls
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Hmmm but it is really satisfying to see them sweat too.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Wow. They’ve gone too far even for Chuck Todd.
Can I get a Maddow?
Robert_Paulson on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Is this surprising? After all, it’s the Chicago Way.
Fred 2 on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
The media I mean.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Boo Hoo. Chuck Todd was right there with the effort to criminalize private gun ownership, in fact if not in name, via harassment of gun owners. Now all of a sudden I’m supposed to be outraged because his ox is getting gored.
It’s a serious thing, but I’m not buying the sudden respect for rights from most of these clowns.
JohnTant on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
“Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.” – David Burge
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Gad. And HAL’s book is Sal Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals too. Such a freakin’ idiot.
But true. I’m getting to the point that our only hope is that after the complete collapse of the United States, the sane people with all the guns can reinstall the Constitution and start over.
RESET!
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
In one way I cannot disagree – the U.S. media is probably comprised of many of the world’s most dishonest people. Many “journalists” lie on a level similar to Barack Obama or Marco Rubio. But, Obama only wants to criminalize those who don’t agree with him.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Let’s not forget that Chuck Todd’s wife (Christin Deny Todd) is a Democratic operative.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Big whoop. What are all these hyperventilating pearl-clutchers in the journalism field going to do about it? Nothing. They’re Obama’s kept b_tches and they know it.
Aitch748 on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
May you journalists, aka lemmings, be the first useful idiots he jails.
txhsmom on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
Be outraged. Use the law and a good portion of absolute moral authority to take this criminal enterprise down.
Dusty on May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM
I don’t think Chuckie and his ilk will be turning in their Hope & Change autographed kneepads yet though…
Bruno Strozek on May 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Flashback:
Forward!
visions on May 22, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Did IRS guidelines say teaching the Constitution is a political act?
Kerry Brentwood – Michigan
Shulman is squirming again.
Oh jeez, Shulman admits he doesn’t know the constitution and can’t recite it or explain 1, 2 or 19th amendments. Brentwood asks if he knows what TEA stands for – taxed enough already – Shulman says he didn’t know.
Looking at the fools and idiots in positions of power the rest of the world must be ROTFLTFAO at us.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Obama not born in Kenya. Born in East Berlin.
kurtzz3 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
No, what’s funny is how you tongue bathers have allowed him to shift all over the place while you turn a blind eye to it. For your failure to do your “job”, you’ve allowed this to happen. If he’d have been held accountable early in his career by the press, as a politician, do you think he would’ve made it this far? With this type of behavior? C’mon Chuck, by saying “Candidate Obama” you’re basically saying that you guys have been witness to this guy changing his positions and had the utter luxury of unrestrained freedom of movement to adapt his position to the situation at hand.
What good are you, Chuck???? See Obama and see your failure, it’s that simple, homeboy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:08 PM
I hate to break this to you, but Candidate Obama and President Obama are one and the same person.
This means that he played you, Chuckie. He told you a bunch of pretty, pretty lies and you swallowed them all. Let that sink in.
Saltyron on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Not going to happen. It’s going to get worse before it can get better.
Fenris on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
It appears to me like the administration doesn’t even care what anyone thinks about what they’ve been doing. If the president were really “outraged” don’t you think someone’s head would roll? Who is he afraid of? Holder? Because what they’re doing is downright cowardly.
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Should probably wait and see what the fallout from all this is before making a statement like that.
A lot of people are getting a taste of what ‘progressivism’ really means. I don’t think that’s going to work well for you guys.
rightmind on May 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM
A talking sock puppet that sleeps with the lowest form of prostitute. Willing to sell his soul and his kids for a few
peices of silver and a chance to fellate the kenyan.
acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM
…our philosopher King?
This is why you have a parasitic criminal class near most college campuses and other concentrations of liberals.
Marks like tingles are the best, though. They never admit that they were mugged.
IlikedAUH2O on May 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM
So, F. Chuck Todd is a racist, along with Chris Matthews, for criticizing a Black President?
pjarhead on May 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Welcome to Chicago politics, F. Chuck Todd. These MSM reporters are truly fools.
Henry Bowman on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Far as I’m concerned, these smug no-balz reporters can cry in their $10 lattes all week, while I laugh at them. Their liberalism and their precious Obama brought all this about, even though they were warned five years ago their candidate is a sleaze.
This is nothing. I think more have been spied on, including azz-kissers like Matthews. In any dictatorship, the biggest supporters are the ones most closely watched. There’s always a suspicion of heresy, and that has to be stamped out faster than any active opposition. Wait till Obamacare kicks in, too.
You reap what you sow. I hope their precious Obama gives them a bountiful harvest.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
And why is it that they don’t care? Is it because they know nothing will happen to them? I have always thought the POS knows he’s untouchable and that’s probably because of the powers behind the throne.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Criminalize journalism?
Yes, chuck, journalism. It’s that profession that you haven’t been involved with over the last few years. Don’t worry, there’ll be plenty of jobs for leg humpers, tongue bathers and water carriers. Pays the same as you make right now, buddy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:20 PM
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Well, I guess TECHNICALLY it doesn’t say the President can’t do any of these things. So there’s that.
UnderstandingisPower on May 22, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Friend, pls. photoshop the 3 monkeys of oblivion: Holder Obama and Hillary.
Also, consider photoshopping the 3 stooges, same characters.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Someone appropriately misspelled them “trools” this morning. I kind of like that.
oldroy on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Yeah Chuckie-boy, sark on it. Too bad you weren’t one of the realjournalists when F&F, Bengazi, HHS, OSHA, IRS, EPA, WiretAP scandals were breaking.
It was the folks like the ones here at HA doing the real grunt work.
Turtle317 on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Were all of the groups that got slammed by the IRS in total red states ?Did any of them have Democrat senators or Democrat congressmen?Were the Democrats in the group that doesn’t know anything or did they just go along with it?The MSM is dead in this country.The only media left is sites like this.
docflash on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
I saw that, and like it, too. Kind of a cross between ‘trolls’ and ‘tools’.
Maybe that commenter coined a new term exclusive to HotAir. Might even catch on with other Conservative sites.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Chuck – Hope you like the change you have been promoting the last several years.
albill on May 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM
But, Benghazi is a political witch hunt…
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
The State Run Media thought they would be exempt from the repression…LOL.
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
It’s great to see Chuck Todd cheering on journalism and journalists! Someday he might consider abandoning the Ministry of Truth propaganda machine, and join in.
MTF on May 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Mighty short book ya got there.
Dope.
herm2416 on May 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Or trolls and fools. But I repeat myself.
IrishEyes on May 22, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Lol! Okay, you got it. I’ll drop it off when its done. ; )
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
meh…there’s something pathetic how conservatives keep hoping these liberal journalists are going to start being even-handed…just wait, Chuck Todd and the rest of them will forgive and forget when it’s convenient.
blue13326 on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
And somehow Obama’s Gallup approval is still in the 50s.
I swear…Even if Obama rounded up 1/2 the country to the gas chambers, 50+% of the country including some of the 1/2 going into the gas chambers would still approve of Obama’s job performance.
Varchild on May 22, 2013 at 3:46 PM
The first step in totalitarian rule is to silence the opposition by intimidation. Now we can clearly see what kind of government we are going to get.
kemojr on May 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM
But the Tea Party, they should be criminalized.
Alabama Infidel on May 22, 2013 at 3:55 PM
Manure Spreading Media = Useful Idiots (V.I. Lenin)
Missilengr on May 22, 2013 at 3:56 PM
When
you’ve lostyou’re losing Chuck Toad…bofh on May 22, 2013 at 4:05 PM
BreakingNews: Chuck Todd(D) has placed his inflatable Obama love doll on CraigsList… it is SO over…
DANEgerus on May 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Once leftist scumbag todd gets his assurances from the OBOZO regime that he isn’t a target – he’ll be back licking OBOZO’s boots before you can say “d-cRAT stooge.”
TeaPartyNation on May 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM
about three days before the election in 2008 there was a story out of Tennessee about two guys talking in a bar about shooting Senator Obama. Made big headlines with all the racial intoning that could be mustered. The gal that initiated the report was the wife of Kerry’s 2004 campaign manager. It caused me to research a whole lot of names associated with by-lines. The ties to journ-o-listers to the dem party are very strong.
And the story was bogus of course.
DanMan on May 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM
WaPo: The Insiders: A special prosecutor in the IRS matter is inevitable
Resist We Much on May 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Let me make sure I get my hands around all of this:
Criminalizing journalism, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the First Amendment, is doubleungood.
Criminalizing gun ownership, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment, is doubleplusgood.
NOW, it all makes sense
Tar Heel Sooner on May 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM
“Fundamentally change America!” The idiots that voted for this Commie had no idea what he was talking about because they never took the time to learn anything about this traitor to America!!
Deano1952 on May 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM
BINGO! I don’t think this will occur to the LSM as a whole, though. Nor will they ever call him on it.
fred5678 on May 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Hey Chuck,
You DID build that !!
Sleep with it !
Jabberwock on May 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Well Chuck, by being a gutless weasel, the alligator is going to eat you last. Don’t worry, he’s hungry.
rhombus on May 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM
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Actually, Chuck, the way journalism has been practiced in the age of Øbama is criminal. You have a lot to atone for, Bub.
ExpressoBold on May 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM
When Obama has lost Chuck Todd he is done.
mitchellvii on May 22, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Drop that notepad and reach for the sky!, dirtbag.
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Right up to the time the ol’ EBT card achieved a zero balance, with no means of the government to fill it up.
“Waddya mean we cooked the dudes who we gots da money from?”
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:46 PM
For over 30 years…. I thought that I escaped my Communist country.
MNH on May 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Not buying it.
Judge apologizes for lack of transparency in James Rosen leak probe
The chief judge of the District’s federal court issued an unusual order Wednesday, apologizing to the public and the media for not making certain court documents widely available online.
The gesture of transparency by U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth comes at a time when the Obama administration is under scrutiny for an unprecedented number of leak investigations, including one showing that the Justice Department had secretly probed the news-gathering activities of Fox News reporter James Rosen.
The investigation of Rosen was first reported Monday, after The Washington Post obtained court documents containing details of the case.
A federal judge had ordered the documents unsealed in November 2011, but they were kept sealed for 18 months and not posted on the court’s online docket until last week, after The Post inquired about them.
Lamberth blamed a series of administrative errors and said a review of the “performance of the personnel involved is underway.” He also said he was creating a new category on the court’s Web site where all search and arrest warrants will be made public unless they fall under a separate sealing order.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/judge-apologizes-for-lack-of-transparency-in-leak-case/2013/05/22/ad769370-c308-11e2-8c3b-0b5e9247e8ca_story.html
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 6:37 PM
More information the public should have had before the vote.
That election was a fraud.
Obama is not President.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM
Heh
cornbred on May 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM
The media is fine with Obama trashing the Ammendments to the US Constitution because it is old and…..hey wait…..you can’t do that….
dddave on May 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM