Quotes of the day

posted at 8:46 pm on May 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

Former President George W. Bush’s pollster for his 2004 re-election, Jan van Lohuizen, has put out a memo to Republican operatives suggesting a shift in the way the GOP discusses same-sex marriage

“Recommendation: A statement reflecting recent developments on this issue along the following lines:

“‘People who believe in equality under the law as a fundamental principle, as I do, will agree that this principle extends to gay and lesbian couples; gay and lesbian couples should not face discrimination and their relationship should be protected under the law. People who disagree on the fundamental nature of marriage can agree, at the same time, that gays and lesbians should receive essential rights and protections such as hospital visitation, adoption rights, and health and death benefits.’”

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“You can make a case that this is a perfect example of this president as the most liberal president in history and he is systematically changing what America is about,” Brabender said. “What we are betting the ranch on is the October labor statistics, and that is a high risk. … We are playing a dangerous game by raising the stakes too high on something we have too little control of and is often in great flux, and we are bailing on talking about who we are as a country. I think that is a mistake.”…

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said Obama handed Romney and the Republican Party a gift — and both will be negligent if they don’t take advantage of it.

“The president yesterday interjected an element into this election cycle that, while some may be uncomfortable dealing with on the Republican side, could very well be a deciding factor for the election if they respond to the president’s challenge to marriage,” Perkins said. “It’s no secret the Republican leadership has not wanted to be out front waving the banner.”

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So to figure out whether gay marriage will hurt Obama in the fall, you have to figure whether gay marriage alone is likely to block any of these five paths—that is, whether Obama is likely to receive fewer votes from these specific constituencies in these specific states than Kerry received in 2004. For that to occur, Obama would have to suffer a 32-point net loss in Latino support in Nevada; a 27-point net loss in Latino support in New Mexico; a 27-point net loss in Latino support in Florida; a 9-point net loss in black support in Virginia; a 19-point net loss in black support in North Carolina; a 12-point net loss in working-class support in Iowa; and a 5-point net loss in working-class support in Ohio.

In other words, it’s unlikely. Right now, 43 percent of Latinos—a group made up largely of the kind of younger men and women who are driving population growth in key states—approve of same-sex marriage. Among independents that number is up to 52 percent. And opposition among African-Americans has fallen 20 points since 2008. It’s hard to imagine that Obama’s personal opinion about same-sex marriage—remember, he’s not pushing any kind of federal legislation—will be such a turn-off for key demographic groups in key states that their support for the president will plummet to sub-Kerry levels come November.

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Black voters and especially black churches have long opposed gay marriage. But the 40-year-old barber and other African-Americans interviewed in politically key states say their support for Obama remains unshaken…

Mel Brown, a 65-year-old project manager in Philadelphia, says same-sex marriage “is between them and their God. The God I serve does not agree with that.”

Does Obama’s announcement change Brown’s support for the president? “Absolutely not. Because Scripture says we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”…

Many black pastors have been reluctant to address same-sex marriage from the pulpit; the topic remains taboo in much of their community. Now, “with the president taking such a clear stand on the issue, and his being such a beloved figure and historic symbol for African-Americans, I think it will advance the conversation,” said the Rev. Raphael Warnock of Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta.

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It’s true, says Carmen Fowler LaBerge: You can be a Christian and support same-sex marriage, but, she says, “nobody can say gay marriage is biblical. That’s just foolishness.”

LaBerge resigned her post as minister in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) after the denomination voted last year to ordain noncelibate gay clergy. She says the Bible is clear.

“From the Old Testament and throughout the New Testament, the only sexual relationships that are affirmed in scripture are those in the context of marriage between one man and one woman,” she says…

Not so fast, says the Rev. Susan Russell, an Episcopal priest at All Saints Church in Pasadena, Calif. She takes her cues from Jesus.

“Jesus never said a single word about anything even remotely connected to homosexuality,” she says.

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This new bipartisan politics of religion is a good thing — both for religion and for politics. For several decades, the right has held a monopoly over what it means to be religious in the United States, not to mention Christian or evangelical. The result has been devastating for the image of Christianity. When the Barna Group polled Americans ages 16 to 29 on what words best describe Christianity, the top response was “anti-homosexual.” The other common associations were “judgmental,” “hypocritical” and “too involved in politics.”

It has not helped that for years, conservative politicians have explained their opposition to gay rights by simply stating, “I’m a Christian,” as if that automatically requires one to abhor the idea of same-sex marriage. Recent debates about the protection of religious freedom have assumed that the only religious motives that count are conservative ones. That’s the concept at the core of arguments about the contraception mandate, as well as a number of religious freedom bills moving through state legislatures. Enthusiasm for those efforts might well flag if religious progressives were to demand protection for their beliefs as well…

After years of pretending that the culture wars were a matter of religious views lined up against secular beliefs, politicians are recognizing what average Americans knew all along. A majority of Americans now believe that there is more than one way to get to heaven, pollsters report. Our political discussions finally reflect that there’s also more than one answer to the question: “What would Jesus do?”

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Romney did remain consistent on one point: He said he does not intend to use President Obama’s flip-flop of same-sex marriage against him in the campaign. Obama, who opposed gay marriage when he ran for president in 2008, said this week he now supports it. Romney said, “I think the issue of marriage and gay marriage is a very tender and sensitive topic. People come out in different places on this. The president has changed course in regards to this topic. I think that’s his right to do that. I have a different view than he does. I believe marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman, but I just don’t think that this becomes a hot political issue dividing our nation.”

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“The father of the modern conservative movement, former US Senator Barry Goldwater, once said of Jerry Falwell that he needed a kick in the ass. With his speech at Falwell’s Liberty University, it is clear that Governor Romney’s message to Goldwater conservatives is: drop dead

“We have said since our founding in 2009, that we are committed to defeating Barack Obama. We remain committed to Obama’s defeat. However, if Governor Romney expects to be the candidate who can beat Obama in November then he needs to embrace a strategy that makes victory possible – falling into the culture war trap laid by Obama is a guaranteed electoral loser.

“It is not too late. If Governor Romney wants to unite conservatives and motivate Tea Party voters then he needs to embrace bolder positions on taxes, entitlement reform, healthcare and spending, not pander to big government theocrats.”

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Via Mediaite.

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You enter a world with civilizations and economies that are far from equal. Harvard University historian David Landes devoted his lifelong study to understanding why some civilizations rise, and why others falter. His conclusion was this: Culture makes all the difference. Not natural resources, not geography, but what people believe and what they value. Central to America’s rise to global leadership is our Judeo-Christian tradition, with its vision of the goodness and possibilities of every human life. The American culture promotes personal responsibility, the dignity of work, the value of education, the merit of service, devotion to a purpose greater than self, and, at the foundation, the pre-eminence of family.

The power of these values, this culture, is evidenced by a recent Brookings Institution study that Senator Rick Santorum brought to my attention. For those who graduate from high school, get a job, and marry before they have their first child, the probability that they will be poor is 2%. But, if those things are absent, 76% will be poor. Culture — what you believe, what you value, how you live — matters. Now, as fundamental as these principles are, they may become topics of democratic debate from time to time. So it is today with the enduring institution of marriage. Marriage is a relationship between one man and one woman.


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FOCUS, people. Focus.

OhioCoastie on May 12, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Why does AP keep posting these threads?

Surely

INC on May 12, 2012 at 10:25 PM

JellyToast on May 12, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Word up, bro.

Saltysam on May 12, 2012 at 10:26 PM

You don’t risk bold when you’re winning with regular.


Obama was bold enough.

profitsbeard on May 12, 2012 at 10:27 PM

i’m sure the left doesn’t want to talk about the economy, but I also think that to them the economy isn’t all that bad. Like O said to Jindal after Jindal complained about shutting down offshore drilling…no prob bub, they can get UI

anyone that has an interest knows that europe always has high unemployment, slow growth, etc….but its ok over there because there a security net that pays everyone. Living at home is not such a big deal.

r keller on May 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM

We get it, Jan van Lohuizen is gay! Whatever, we don’t need some former or current talking head; gay or not gay to explain our principles to us and how we need to implement and/or explain them. We don’t believe in gay marriage, that’s it! I don’t see gay people speaking eloquently and respectfully about their positions. We shouldn’t moderate our principles, so others can better understand them. WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN GAY MARRIAGE!! Short and to the point! Move on, nothing to discuss here!!!

Tbone McGraw on May 12, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Why does AP keep posting these threads?
Surely
INC on May 12, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Must be getting a lot of clicks (albeit not from me). That or AP won the lottery and doesn’t care.

conservative pilgrim on May 12, 2012 at 10:32 PM

The father of the modern conservative movement, former US Senator Barry Goldwater, once said of Jerry Falwell that he needed a kick in the ass.

Barry Goldwater was also a noted believer in UFOs…

tetriskid on May 12, 2012 at 10:32 PM

What’s Gay?

kenny on May 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Whatever… just vote Obama out in November…

Khun Joe on May 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Is this for real? It’s this easy? He destroys the economy, destroys our image around the world, expands the government a thousand fold, seizes businesses, passes ObamaCare, wrecks everything he touches but none of that matters because he said something?

JellyToast on May 12, 2012 at 10:15 PM

If I may add to your list:

Authorizes an illegal gun walking operation that results in the murders of hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens and two United States Law Enforcement Officers, then protects his Attorney General in the cover-up.

Which btw, it appears even Democrats have had their fill of.

Flora Duh on May 12, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Always thinking they know what is best for others.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 9:29 PM

That’s rich, coming from Lefty Nanny statists. Green energy only! Don’t use that light bulb! No happy meals! Stop smoking cigarettes! Eat tofu! Provide abortions 24/7! Suck it up, Catholics! Take a pain pill instead of that expensive procedure! Eat your peas! Stop using plastic bags! Recycle!

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 9:45 PM

ROFLMAO!! :)

Saltysam on May 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM

A majority of Americans now believe that there is more than one way to get to heaven, pollsters report. Our political discussions finally reflect that there’s also more than one answer to the question: “What would Jesus do?”

How about looking at what Christ said:
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 5:39
You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Seems to be pretty clear that at least the Bible teaches that the only way of salvation is by Christ Jesus alone.

Back to that “itching ears” thing

AZfederalist on May 12, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Is this for real? It’s this easy? He destroys the economy, destroys our image around the world, expands the government a thousand fold, seizes businesses, passes ObamaCare, wrecks everything he touches but none of that matters because he said something?
JellyToast on May 12, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Take it easy there sport. All that hate might bring you some high blood pressure. You do know that kills right?

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Flora Duh on May 12, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Yeah.. it’s like you’re gay, and you’re on the Titanic right? It’s about to split in two and go down just as you’re putting your foot in the last lifeboat, but right then the captain of the Titanic shouts out “Hey.. don’t leave me.. I’m for gay marriage!”
Right! You betcha!

JellyToast on May 12, 2012 at 10:42 PM

PBHO ate dog.

Bishop on May 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Black people will vote for Bacracka even if he were personally killing their kids in front of their face.

SouthernGent on May 12, 2012 at 8:57 PM

He is pro-abortion, so he has been approving of that for years..

hillsoftx on May 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Take it easy there sport. All that hate might bring you some high blood pressure. You do know that kills right?

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

There is no scientific evidence that justified outrage could cause hypertension. But you liberals never are too adroit at distinguishing fact from fiction.

kenny on May 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I’m glad Romney spoke at Liberty Univ today.

I’ve even thought about working there someday.

ted c on May 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

You do know that kills right?

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Solution:
Terminate life before it breaths.

Electrongod on May 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

So blacks will still vote for Obama ?
Well I guess since blacks have no problem with the party of KKK,
why would they have a problem with anything that goes against their values as long as it helps to destroy this country,
specially if a black guy is doing it.
Afterall, haven’t they waited long enough to see their dream come true ??

burrata on May 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

PBHO ate dog.

Bishop on May 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Chow-Chow Mein?
Corgis and cream?

annoyinglittletwerp on May 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

a big problem with lefties is that they always think they are like super-smart…when in fact they have lousy records.

Take Paul Erlich, Lester Brown, et al. Take Lysenko. Take Eugenics. Take command and control planning.

Marx was all about using scientific methods to shape and advance society. Didn’t work out too well did it? Not because of Science, but because the State works counter to Science in many ways

The sad thing is that many people are swayed by the small ball of the left…and the unsustainable economic situation goes unremarked

r keller on May 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Back to that “itching ears” thing

AZfederalist on May 12, 2012 at 10:36 PM

:)

INC on May 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Take it easy there sport. All that hate might bring you some high blood pressure. You do know that kills right?

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Fine “spurt”, now address the points he has made.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 10:52 PM

PBHO ate dog.

Bishop on May 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

He still does !

burrata on May 12, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Not so fast, says the Rev. Susan Russell, an Episcopal priest at All Saints Church in Pasadena, Calif. She takes her cues from Jesus.

“Jesus never said a single word about anything even remotely connected to homosexuality,” she says.

Leviticus 18:22:
“You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”

Leviticus 20:13
“If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.”

Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

Flora Duh on May 12, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Not so fast, says the Rev. Susan Russell, an Episcopal priest at All Saints Church in Pasadena, Calif. She takes her cues from Jesus.

There’s a very big reason why the Christian Scripture includes the Old Testament. If what “Rev.” Russell said were true, her services would include nothing from the Old and everything from the New.

Let’s look into the New Testament for guidance. Let’s see, first up is Matthew 5:17-20. If the New Testament is to be believed, Jesus said this:

Do not imagine that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete them. In truth I tell you, till heaven and earth disappear, not one dot, not one little stroke, is to disappear from the Law until all its purpose is achieved.

Therefore, anyone who infringes even one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be considered the least in the kingdom of Heaven; but the person who keeps them and teaches them will be considered great in the kingdom of Heaven.

For I tell you, if your uprightness does not surpass that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never get into the kingdom of Heaven.

Luke 10:31-38 makes a similar point:

The Jews fetched stones to stone him, so Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many good works from my Father; for which of these are you stoning me?’

The Jews answered him, ‘We are stoning you, not for doing a good work, but for blasphemy; though you are only a man, you claim to be God.’

Jesus answered: Is it not written in your Law: I said, you are gods? So it uses the word ‘gods’ of those people to whom the word of God was addressed — and scripture cannot be set aside.

Yet to someone whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world you say, ‘You are blaspheming’ because I said, ‘I am Son of God.’ If I am not doing my Father’s work, there is no need to believe me; but if I am doing it, then even if you refuse to believe in me, at least believe in the work I do; then you will know for certain that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.

False teaching from a false Reverend.

unclesmrgol on May 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Giving a speech at ANY VENUE that believes your religion is a cult and a force of evil is just strange.

SnarkVader on May 12, 2012 at 10:24 PM

That’s quite a leap there. To define mormonism as a cult is a perfectly correct theological term. The mormons are neither orthodox nor heterodox Christians as they have re-defined their version of Christianity to be completely outside the tenets that define those doctrines. However to leap to the conclusion that followers of mormonism are a force of evil as viewed by Christians is wrong.

AZfederalist on May 12, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Don’t know about eating the pooch, but His Malevolence certainly has scroomed the pooch for the last 3 1/2 years.

kenny on May 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

So blacks will still vote for Obama ?
Well I guess since blacks have no problem with the party of KKK,
why would they have a problem with anything that goes against their values as long as it helps to destroy this country,
specially if a black guy is doing it.
Afterall, haven’t they waited long enough to see their dream come true ??
burrata on May 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Believe it or not, most blacks vote for democrats not because they are die hard liberals, it is primarily because American conservatives(not conservatism) have nothing to offer them.
The modern American Conservative is very intolerant, arrogant and has an isolated mindset.
When was the last time a far right conservative like Palin, Demint etc attempt to reach out to any minority group? Their rallies are increasingly white which makes minorities uncomfortable.
Most African Americans are fiscal and social conservatives by heart. It’s unfortunate the new conservative movement has nothing to offer them.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Take it easy there sport. All that hate might bring you some high blood pressure. You do know that kills right?

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

…here’s one for you snort sport!…ROTFASTFU!…that’s…roll on the floor…and you know the rest!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Take it easy there sport. All that hate might bring you some high blood pressure. You do know that kills right?
Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM
Fine “spurt”, now address the points he has made.
arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 10:52 PM

My advice for him is to drink some cold water and take a deep breath. Life isn’t that bad.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM

California and Moonbeam keep digging…

d1carter on May 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I thought you were my friend. :) Fits right in with QOTD as CA keeps finding ways to abuse me.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Evening folks. I just got done watching War Horse. What have I missed? I’m guessing here because I haven’t read the comments or the “quotes,” but it seems I’ve missed a riveting debate on yet another issue that is important to a miniscule percentage of the population. As opposed, say, to THE ECONOMY.

But maybe I’m wrong.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Flora Duh on May 12, 2012 at 10:56 PM

…oh oh!…that’s the King James version!…she’s got the Barrack Bible…like the college transcripts…we just ain’t seen it yet!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Most African Americans are fiscal and social conservatives by heart. It’s unfortunate the new conservative movement has nothing to offer them.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

You mean nothing besides fiscal and social conservatism.

If they are expecting pandering, well then, they’re better off where they can be treated like children, if that’s what they want.

Rebar on May 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

…here’s one for you snort sport!…ROTFASTFU!…that’s…roll on the floor…and you know the rest!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM</blockquote

No it's ROTFASABD

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Evening folks. I just got done watching War Horse. What have I missed? I’m guessing here because I haven’t read the comments or the “quotes,” but it seems I’ve missed a riveting debate on yet another issue that is important to a miniscule percentage of the population. As opposed, say, to THE ECONOMY.

But maybe I’m wrong.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Same crap, different day.

How was War Horse, I haven’t seen it yet?

JPeterman on May 12, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Believe it or not, most blacks vote for democrats not because they are die hard liberals, it is primarily because American conservatives(not conservatism) have nothing to offer them.

Agreed. Plenty of them enjoy their free handouts from the Dems.

salmonczar on May 12, 2012 at 11:13 PM

The father of the modern conservative movement, former US Senator Barry Goldwater

WFB was the father of the conservative movement, not Goldwater.

ninjapirate on May 12, 2012 at 11:13 PM

But maybe I’m wrong.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Yes sir, you are it’s all about feelings

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM

American conservatives(not conservatism) have nothing to offer them.
Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Wow. That is just breathtakingly disgusting even for a liberal. Racist to the core. So Blacks will only vote for someone who bribes them? Who do you suppose is responsible for them being this way politically, or can they just not help themselves because they as a race are not smart enough? Disgusting Freudian slip of yours if you ask me.

txmomof6 on May 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Nothing personal..LOL. It’s about the economy…none of these silly distractions BHO keeps throwing at us.

d1carter on May 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

WFB was the father of the conservative movement, not Goldwater.

ninjapirate on May 12, 2012 at 11:13 PM

OK, who was the father of “impressionism”?
Cliif

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM

d1carter on May 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I’m just worried about my lucrative CA pension I received after two years of work getting cut back.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:21 PM

she’s got the Barrack Bible…like the college transcripts…we just ain’t seen it yet!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

:-)

Speaking of picking and choosing transcripts, I wonder why Allah didn’t use any of these comments in the QOTD?

Senate Democrats facing difficult reelections are breaking with President Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage, a sign the issue is politically dangerous in battleground states.

Sens. Jon Tester (Mont.) and Claire McCaskill (Mo.), the two most vulnerable Democratic senators, have declined to endorse Obama’s call for the legalization of gay marriage.

Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Bob Casey (Pa.) and Bill Nelson (Fla.), Democrats who have easier races but in states that could become more competitive by November, have also backed away from Obama’s stance.

They all represent states with constitutional amendments or laws banning same-sex marriage.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) predicted Thursday the Democratic Party would adopt a pro-gay marriage plank in its platform. While that may happen when delegates to the Democratic National Convention meet September in Charlotte, N.C., the party remains divided.

“Jon believes in civil unions for committed same-sex couples but in Montana a marriage is defined as between a man and a woman,” said Andrea Helling, Tester’s spokeswoman.

Montana is one of 30 states with constitutional amendments defining marriage as between one man and one woman, according to Human Rights Campaign, a group that promotes gay rights.

James Lopach, a professor of political science at the University of Montana, said Tester is smart to separate himself from Obama on gay marriage.

“It comes down to independents, who make it somewhat of a swing state. Generally the independent vote in Montana is more conservative and Republican-oriented than Democrat-oriented,” he said.

“[Rep.] Denny Rehberg’s strategy is to tightly link Tester and Obama,” he added, in reference to Tester’s opponent.

Lobach said it would be a “political mistake” for Tester to match Obama’s stance on gay marriage.

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), who has been one of Obama’s closest allies in the Senate, has also kept her distance.

Her spokesman declined to endorse the president’s position. In an email to the Springfield News-Leader, John LaBombard said, “Claire recognizes this is a very personal issue for many Missourians” and said she thinks states should “take the lead in determining marriage equality.”

“The state of Missouri’s position on this issue has been clearly established since 2004 and nothing about today’s announcement changes that,” he added.

Missouri has a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

Nelson said the federal government should not interfere with state laws.

“I have a record fighting against discrimination and standing up for people’s civil rights based on their sexual orientation. I believe marriage should be left to the states, and Florida voted on same-sex marriage in 2008,” he said in a statement to The Hill.

Florida passed a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

Manchin and Casey, who represent states with laws banning gay marriage, have also split with Obama.

“His position hasn’t changed; he believes marriage is between one man and one woman,” said Manchin spokeswoman Marni Goldberg.

April Mellody, a spokeswoman for Casey, said her boss “supports civil unions, strongly opposes discrimination and has condemned discriminatory measures such as a federal constitutional amendment.”

She said Casey does not agree with the president’s endorsement of same-sex marriage but has taken steps to combat discrimination based on sexual orientation. Source

Flora Duh on May 12, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Yes sir, you are it’s all about feelings

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM

I thought we were discussing UES’s whine.

RickB on May 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM

she’s got the Barrack Bible…like the college transcripts…we just ain’t seen it yet!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Is that the one that dancing Queen Jeremiah Wright used? C’mon, he did he did have a nice costume designer.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Same crap, different day.

How was War Horse, I haven’t seen it yet?

JPeterman on May 12, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I enjoyed it. I thought it to be a bit of a throw back to movies of the past. Kind of a “boy and his dog” story except with a horse. It also proved that a good movie kind be made without a bunch of social message crap and a boatload of sex scenes (there were none).

The horse touched the lives of many people, pre-war, during war, and after war; those on both sides of the conflict and those who were just caught in the middle. And in the end, he came back to where he began and belonged. I’ll definitely watch it again.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Their rallies are increasingly white which makes minorities uncomfortable.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Maybe that is true in your neck of the woods. Have you witnessed conservative/tea party rallies across the nation?

jazzuscounty on May 12, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Yes sir, you are it’s all about feelings

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM

That was a trap. And I will get even. *begins constructing sinister plot* ;)

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:27 PM

d1carter on May 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Wait there’s more–he inherited it from the prior administration—Arnold and la sirvienta.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Using Goldwater as a club doesn’t work for me. I have no desire to be a Goldwater conservative.

Cindy Munford on May 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Maybe that is true in your neck of the woods. Have you witnessed conservative/tea party rallies across the nation?

I know there are minorities in my neck of the woods who were so uncomfortable with tea party rallies that they helped organize/present at them. For shame!

salmonczar on May 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:27 PM

The scenery was pretty though.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Liberals crack me up. They can’t find any racism on Hot Air, so they just claim conservatives are racist and intolerant, and then self-reference their claims to prove they’re right. Unbelievable circular logic.

You know what conservatives think of the Trayvon shooting? One person shot another person. You know what liberals do? They paint it as a black man shot by a white-hispanic who must be more white than Elizabeth Warren or something.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:31 PM

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Thanks. I read the book and it was incredible, I just haven’t had time to watch the movie.

JPeterman on May 12, 2012 at 11:32 PM

salmonczar on May 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Forget the gay and minoritay for a sec. I’m thinking by your stage name you like salmon. Have you ever tried “Keta” salmon? I bought some frozen whole the other day, thawed it out and grilled it. Very good.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM

I enjoyed it. I thought it to be a bit of a throw back to movies of the past. Kind of a “boy and his dog” story except with a horse. It also proved that a good movie kind be made without a bunch of social message crap and a boatload of sex scenes (there were none).

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM

It’s obvious you haven’t seen this “boy and his dog” story

RickB on May 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM

American conservatives(not conservatism) have nothing to offer them.
Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM
Wow. That is just breathtakingly disgusting even for a liberal. Racist to the core. So Blacks will only vote for someone who bribes them? Who do you suppose is responsible for them being this way politically, or can they just not help themselves because they as a race are not smart enough? Disgusting Freudian slip of yours if you ask me.
txmomof6 on May 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Typical example of the arrogant know it all conservative. Good luck convincing blacks to vote for your arrogant ideology.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Typical example of the arrogant know it all conservative. Good luck convincing blacks to vote for your arrogant ideology.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Why are you even here?

JPeterman on May 12, 2012 at 11:36 PM

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:31 PM

You are smart for a Libertarian. I couldn’t help myself, I’m just a racist, homophobio. Good point though.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Good luck convincing blacks to vote for your arrogant ideology.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM

What’s arrogant about believing anyone regardless of background or gender or skin color can work hard and get ahead and achieve success?

That’s called “optimism”.

You should examine the soft bigotry of your low expectations, champ.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Thanks. I read the book and it was incredible, I just haven’t had time to watch the movie.

JPeterman on May 12, 2012 at 11:32 PM

JP,

I’ve not read the book, so I don’t know how much justice the movie does to the book. And that is one of the ways I judge a movie.

For instance, I thought The Godfather and Bram Stoker’s Dracula did great justice to the books. But I can’t make a call on this one. I did enjoy this movie.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:37 PM

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Only an arrogant white person would make such a statement. Let me guess, when three white men in Texas dragged a black man to his death using their car, they probably did it because he owed them money right?

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Typical example of the arrogant know it all conservative. Good luck convincing blacks to vote for your arrogant ideology.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM

We’ve already lost that battle. For too many of them it’s color, for us it’s character.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I’m just a racist, homophobio.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Greg Gutfeld would tell you that you forgot to admit you’re worse than Hitler.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:39 PM

It’s obvious you haven’t seen this “boy and his dog” story

RickB on May 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM

LOL! And in a just world, I will never see it again.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM

What happened to them thar suspects in that case sugarpants?

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Let me guess, when three white men in Texas dragged a black man to his death using their car, they probably did it because he owed them money right?

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM

There are still sociopaths in the world, I hate to inform you. Should we assume all liberals are rapists because of Bill Clinton? Try harder.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Only an arrogant white person

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Race, race, race. Race! Race… race, race. Race, race, race, race, race! Race. RAce. Race, race, race. RACE! Race — race. Race race race Race Rrrace.

Yawn.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I thought we were discussing UES’s whine.

RickB on May 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM

lol longtime, great song.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 11:44 PM

OT: Rumor has it that Palin endorsed Cruz. Yea or Nay?

annoyinglittletwerp on May 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Their focus on race and “bullying” only proves their desperation. They have nothing else to run on.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:46 PM

RAAAAAAAACE!!!!!

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:46 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM

I think I saw a post at Townhall that confirms that.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Their focus on race and “bullying” only proves their desperation. They have nothing else to run on.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Bill Whittle had an excellent video a year or so ago how the communist movement focuses entirely on agitating racial division and tribalism in order to seize power.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:48 PM

OT: Rumor has it that Palin endorsed Cruz. Yea or Nay?

annoyinglittletwerp on May 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Yea

Flora Duh on May 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Yea or Nay?

annoyinglittletwerp on May 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Yes, she did.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Yep, she did.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM

I’ve not read the book, so I don’t know how much justice the movie does to the book. And that is one of the ways I judge a movie.

For instance, I thought The Godfather and Bram Stoker’s Dracula did great justice to the books. But I can’t make a call on this one. I did enjoy this movie.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:37 PM

War Horse is a children’s book, only about 175 pages long. But from what I’ve seen of the trailers, it looks like they followed the plot quite well. I read Slumdog Millionaire, the book was awful, the movie was terrific.

JPeterman on May 12, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Bill Whittle had an excellent video a year or so ago how the communist movement focuses entirely on agitating racial division and tribalism in order to seize power.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Divide and conquer. Have I heard that before?

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:50 PM

JPeterman on May 12, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Watch the movie. I think you’ll like it.

predator on May 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Only an arrogant white person would make such a statement.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Most here on HA are self-sufficient, free spirited, individuals that believe that one can achieve happiness if allowed to do so..

Is that some how racist?

Or is racist nullified when we all contribute to an over-bloated government that pampers everyone under its umbrella?

Electrongod on May 12, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Yea

Flora Duh on May 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM

We’re voting for him anyway-but her endorsement will help him a lot.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 12, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Most African Americans are fiscal and social conservatives by heart. It’s unfortunate the new conservative movement has nothing to offer them.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

For example?

Dongemaharu on May 12, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Not so fast, says the Rev. Susan Russell, an Episcopal priest at All Saints Church in Pasadena, Calif. She takes her cues from Jesus.

Russell wouldn’t know Jesus if He called her on the phone.

Episcopalian. The denomination that runs their own conservatives out and sues them. Takes their churches and sells them for bars and mosques. Spends so much money suing their former members that they are living on the endowments from people who would turn in their graves if they knew how the money is being spent.

Russell is an active lesbian priestette who rewrites Scripture to justify her miserable lifestyle, who couldn’t get a real job if her life depended on it.

Shay on May 12, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Not so fast, says the Rev. Susan Russell, an Episcopal priest at All Saints Church in Pasadena, Calif. She takes her cues from Jesus.

“Jesus never said a single word about anything even remotely connected to homosexuality,” she says.

mmmmm, I think his Dad had an opinion about it.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

Deuteronomy 22:5:
A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone
who does this.

Romans 1:24-32:

“Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their bodies with one
another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie…Because of this, God gave them over to
shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same
way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one
another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due
penalty for their perversion (aids?)…Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who
do such things deserve death (spiritual), they not only continue to do these very things, but also
approve of those who practice them.”

Corinthians 6:9-11:

“Don’t you know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral…nor adulterers nor male prostitutes
nor homosexual offenders…will inherit the kingdom of God.”

What Bible is she reading?

PappyD61 on May 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

When was the last time a far right conservative like Palin, Demint etc attempt to reach out to any minority group? Their rallies are increasingly white which makes minorities uncomfortable.
Most African Americans are fiscal and social conservatives by heart. It’s unfortunate the new conservative movement has nothing to offer them.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I guess anything right of Weiner is a far right conservative now…Let’s see, I think the last time Sarah Palin reached out to a minority group was the last time she hugged her family as Todd Palin is of “native” American heritage — Yup’ik Eskimo and Curyung…The remainder of your comment is conjecture…

Gohawgs on May 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

What’s Gay?

kenny on May 12, 2012 at 10:33 PM

…used to mean ‘happy’…

KOOLAID2 on May 13, 2012 at 12:00 AM

How to talk to Uppereastside.

John the Libertarian on May 13, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Bill Whittle had an excellent video a year or so ago how the communist movement focuses entirely on agitating racial division and tribalism in order to seize power.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Did you ever read the book Child 44?

The authors 3rd book, Agent 6, which ends the trilogy, really centers the entire story on how the Soviets used blacks to agitate on their behalf in the United States. The book is fiction but Tom Rob Smith really knows his stuff about the Soviet Union and how they operated.

JPeterman on May 13, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Always thinking they know what is best for others.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Take it easy there sport. All that hate might bring you some high blood pressure. You do know that kills right?

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Cognitive dissonance in action is fascinating.

Dark Star on May 13, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Slavery ended: Republicans.
Giving women the right to vote: Republicans.

Segregation, KKK, Jim Crow laws: Democrats.
Attacking Native Americans: Democrats.
Interning Japanese Americans: Democrats.

John the Libertarian on May 13, 2012 at 12:04 AM

JPeterman on May 13, 2012 at 12:01 AM

I’ll check it out.

John the Libertarian on May 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM

When was the last time a far right conservative like Palin, Demint etc attempt to reach out to any minority group? [removed blah...blah] It’s unfortunate the new conservative movement has nothing to offer them.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

When was the last time a minority group reach out for conservatism?
You know…a movement that allows one to think….be free…set their own goals…
etc…?

You’re right…we don’t have much to offer when compared to Obama Money, 99 weeks of TV watching…. government cheese…

But somehow this lifestyle must be paid for…..

Electrongod on May 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Believe it or not, most blacks vote for democrats not because they are die hard liberals, it is primarily because American conservatives(not conservatism) have nothing to offer them.

What is it that liberals offer them that is of any value?
30% of all black children are aborted before they are born. That is the highest percentage of any racial/ethnic group, and those abortions are offered and paid for by liberals.

What effects have liberals had on black culture?

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_1_why_we.html

The modern American Conservative is very intolerant, arrogant and has an isolated mindset.

Why do I have a feeling that the above was just written by a person with an intolerant, arrogant, and isolated mindset?

Most blacks are conservative in social outlook. I guess that makes them all of the above, right? Care to go to your average black church on Sunday and tell them that?

When was the last time a far right conservative like Palin, Demint etc attempt to reach out to any minority group? Their rallies are increasingly white which makes minorities uncomfortable.

Hmm. You haven’t been to one, have you?

And there are black tea party groups nationwide — you’d know that if you googled the term.

97% of black voters voted for Mr. Obama. Now, what did Mr. Obama offer to those black voters other than skin color? Certainly not jobs, a better education, upward mobility. All of that happens when conservatives are in power.

Most African Americans are fiscal and social conservatives by heart. It’s unfortunate the new conservative movement has nothing to offer them.

Uppereastside on May 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Pity the liberals when the blacks finally figure out that their votes have been bought with cake all these years.

unclesmrgol on May 13, 2012 at 12:06 AM

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