Opposition grows to… fingerprinting illegals?

posted at 2:46 pm on May 12, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Most of the stories I cover involving my home stomping grounds of New York are uniformly negative, I’m sorry to say. (And yes, that includes the New York Jets.) But the state is what it is. What’s a guy to do? This fact makes it all the more pleasant for me, though, when I come across something positive to report, and it seemed as if I’d found just such a story this weekend. Next week the Empire State will finish rolling out a program called Secure Communities.

A program that gives federal immigration officials access to the fingerprints of undocumented immigrants booked into local jails will start Tuesday across New York state despite staunch opposition from advocates and lawmakers, including Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

A law-enforcement official familiar with the program, called Secure Communities, confirmed that New York City and 30 other jurisdictions would join the 31 communities that already have the program in place. Suffolk, Nassau and Westchester counties, among others, have participated in Secure Communities for more than a year.

Right off the bat, this one should ring up significant support – or so you might think – because it’s actually nothing new. We’re not talking about some program where cops are cruising the parking lot at Home Depot asking people for “their papers” every morning. This is simply taking the fingerprints of illegal immigrants who are already in jail and charged with a crime and getting them into the right database. The prints were already being sent to the FBI, so shipping them over to ICE shouldn’t be much of a leap.

A representative of the immigration enforcement agency is quoted as saying that the program has already delivered results, and “has helped ICE remove more than 135,000 convicted criminal aliens, including more than 49,000 convicted of major violent offenses like murder, rape and the sexual abuse of children.” So what could possibly go wrong?

Asked about the program at a Friday news conference, New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said “we prefer that they not do that here.”

Speaking on the radio Friday, City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said there will be a rally on City Hall’s steps on Monday to urge the federal government to refrain from forcing the city’s hand.

She also said the police were being put in a “terrible position.”

“It’s just so counter to what New York is about as an immigrant city,” she added. “And I’m real proud of our mayor and our governor, who have all spoken out…. The police can’t disregard the law at the end of the day, but it’s a terrible thing to put them in when they should be focusing on real crime.”

New York – particularly the Big Apple – does have a great tradition of welcoming immigrants. Legal immigrants. They built the city and the harbor and made New York a focal point of the economic development of an emerging nation. Unfortunately, its vast size and compressed population also eventually made it a haven for gang activity and illegal trade, including illegal immigration. Contrary to what Ms. Quinn may feel, a program such as Secure Communities is not contrary to “what New York is about.” It’s precisely what New York was and should always have been about. A safe haven and open door for those who follow the legal process we have in place and wish to join America as citizens.

But now we have everyone from the Governor and the Chief of Police carping about it along with every advocacy group in the state. So I suppose there’s no such thing as a good story in New York without at least one worm in the apple.


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oh ffs.

Tim_CA on May 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM

What the… And after I made an ass of myself in the previous Bloomberg thread defending New York.

The hell with it all.

Rixon on May 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Have these fools forgotten that 09.11.01 was the work of 19 immigrants, who had overstayed their visas, i.e., became illegal?

Resist We Much on May 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM

So when does Holder and his Department of Jihad make an appearance in this story ?
I know he will jump in !

burrata on May 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Liberals look for every possible way to run this country into the ground.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 12, 2012 at 2:57 PM

We’re not talking about some program where cops are cruising the parking lot at Home Depot asking people for “their papers” every morning.

and WHAT is wrong with cops cruising the parking lot at Home Depot asking people for “their papers” ?

burrata on May 12, 2012 at 2:59 PM

It is a very lonely, desolate place just about anywhere in this State if you happen to have more than a double digit IQ score.

De Oppresso Liber on May 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Why heck yes, let’s just stop fingerprinting everyone/anyone who commits an illegal act — makes sense to me. Oh I forget, illegals aren’t really illegal are they? therefore, it is okay to fingerprint them because they have not committed an illegal act.

Pardonme on May 12, 2012 at 3:03 PM

It seems like every few months an illegal alien in Massachusetts commits vehicular manslaughter. We can avoid these tragedies if illegal aliens are deported when they are first arrested for driving without a license. Governor Patrick wants to wait until they kill someone and are convicted before any information is given to ICE.

Wigglesworth on May 12, 2012 at 3:04 PM

and WHAT is wrong with cops cruising the parking lot at Home Depot asking people for “their papers” ?

burrata on May 12, 2012 at 2:59 PM

That’s what I was going to say! But obviously we can’t have the police enforcing actual laws the Commissioner doesn’t like. And if you allow them to have better tools or reasonable procedures, then they might be forced to do just that. So let’s just say that profiling an obvious crime is bad, but groping 5 year olds at the airport is good, okay?

Fenris on May 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Bravo, Jazz. I’m gratified to see a New Yorker standing up for LEGAL IMMIGRATION and pointing out the difference between welcoming legal immigrants and allowing illegal immigrants to set up shop in the community. Secure Communities is an excellent program and should be welcomed by local officials as a useful tool to help remove the criminal element from the community and maintain the community safety, and that welcoming atmosphere, for all law abiding residents.

thatsafactjack on May 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM

If every mechanism is used to protect or ignore illegals, why should I comply with tax laws or any other law I disagree with?

Uncle Oingo Boingo Obama and aunt Zelooney get special dispensations, tax refunds are given to illegals with non-existent or children living in Mexico, AZ gets sued by the govt. I give.

arnold ziffel on May 12, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Fenris on May 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Strange isn’t it that those who are paid by the taxpayers to keep the communities they serve, safe,
do not want to keep the communities safe ?
But then, these are the same people who probabely danced with joy when the twin towers came down….for then they knew the mosque on Ground Zero was a step closer to reality !
Yeah , I said it

burrata on May 12, 2012 at 3:18 PM

And yet I had to be fingerprinted for my concealed firearms permit…sorry, Commish and Ms. Quinn (and La Raza, et. al.), but this is something that should already be happening — fingerprinting ILLEGALS — and it is maddening that we are discussing it now.

H.E. Pennypacker on May 12, 2012 at 3:24 PM

So a legal immigrant from Ireland who braved the Atlantic swells for 10 days and stood in line at Ellis Island, and was admitted only after an inspection – including an inspection for disease and lice, was no better, really, than an illegal bozo from Somalia who jumps off a 9-hour plane ride at JFK? One is really like the other? One built New York, and the country, while the other is a century late, a trillion dollars short, and has already proven it doesn’t respect the laws of the country.

New York once needed immigrants. American once needed immigrants. It was an empty country. The government gave away land by the hectare. It doesn’t today. That stopped before the Wright Brother’s flew. It’s packed today. It’s long since been developed. All the jobs are spoken for. Even the street vendor and taxi cab positions are filled. America once needed manpower. It was a big country with lots of land that went begging. Today, every square inch of land is spoken for. More people to lay more railroad ties is so 19th century. And should you want to dig a hole to put in a post, you will need an environmental impact study. If we agree with liberals that the times change, and the country must change too, then they have to agree that the times indeed have changed, and the old romantic saw about America being built by immigrants also has to be shelved as an anachronism of the past. At the very least, they have to agree that the country wasn’t built by criminals.

So not only is America not in need of more people, it certainly is not in need of more people who would come here illegally. And even if, for argument’s sake, it were in need of more people, and, even if, for argument’s sake, it could use even more illegals, it certainly without a doubt wouldn’t have a need for more people, who are illegals, who are from the third world hellholes, where the illegals are coming from today.

keep the change on May 12, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Book ‘em, Dano!

davidk on May 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Ask those same people if we should start a DNA database on all males.

davidk on May 12, 2012 at 3:30 PM

But now we have everyone from the Governor and the Chief of Police carping about it along with every advocacy group in the state.

It’s amazing what you WILL NOT FIND when YOU DON’T LOOK FOR IT.

Plus it kind of knocks the “they’re only here to better their lives”.

GarandFan on May 12, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Around world, Obama’s presidency a disappointment

That’s no solid B+

SparkPlug on May 12, 2012 at 3:33 PM

“… including more than 49,000 convicted of major violent offenses like murder, rape and the sexual abuse of children.”

“… The police can’t disregard the law at the end of the day, but it’s a terrible thing to put them in when they should be focusing on real crime.”

O_O

Anything for votes…

… I guess.

Seven Percent Solution on May 12, 2012 at 3:39 PM

burrata on May 12, 2012 at 3:18 PM

When you see someone dancing for joy, it should be obvious where their sympathies lay. Too bad obvious isn’t good enough for the left in denial.

Fenris on May 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Watching the decline and fall of the Northeastern Establishment is rather fascinating when you’re a Southerner.

Punchenko on May 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM

All of these handwringers would probably have a heart attack if they went to the Maricopa County Jail, which has 2 ICE agents staffing the intake.

JackofNoTrades on May 12, 2012 at 3:51 PM

“And I’m real proud of our mayor and our governor, who have all spoken out…. The police can’t disregard the law at the end of the day, but it’s a terrible thing to put them in when they should be focusing on real crime.”

Real crimes like eating trans-fats and salt and sugary drinks and smoking cigarettes.

xplodeit on May 12, 2012 at 4:04 PM

“This is simply taking the fingerprints of illegal immigrants who are already in jail and charged with a crime and getting them into the right database.”

ANY efforts to explicitly ID ILLEGALS will be opposed by the lunatic-left d-cRAt socialists. For example, if they were ID’ed how could they then fraudulently vote for the d-cRATs without being detected in those places that actually respect and enforce the sanctity of the the vote?

TeaPartyNation on May 12, 2012 at 4:04 PM

A better plan would be to simply cut illegals’ fingers off – - – cage ‘em, tag ‘em and truck ‘em back across the border.

Pork-Chop on May 12, 2012 at 4:06 PM

A representative of the immigration enforcement agency is quoted as saying that the program has already delivered results, and “has helped ICE remove more than 135,000 convicted criminal aliens, including more than 49,000 convicted of major violent offenses like murder, rape and the sexual abuse of children.” So what could possibly go wrong?

“It’s just so counter to what New York is about as an immigrant city,” she added. “And I’m real proud of our mayor and our governor, who have all spoken out…. The police can’t disregard the law at the end of the day, but it’s a terrible thing to put them in when they should be focusing on real crime.”

WTF?

They are deporting child predators, and liberal-tard states like New York and Massachusetts (banning bake sales -sugar because of childhood obesity and salt), can’t figure out why children in their states are obese? Because their parent’s are afraid to let them go out side, and play, because of violent child predators loose in their communities. That apparently isn’t as big a concern as sugar and salt intake because: “but it’s a terrible thing to put them in when they should be focusing on real crime.” – Moron says what?

I have heard some double talk bureaucratic b.s. in my time, but this one is way at the top for contradicting their own positions. I counted at least 4 that go against their own policy, and agendas.

Darwin Awards all around, thanks for participating NYC.

Dr Evil on May 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM

This is beyond ludicrous. The program fingerprints illegal aliens who are already in jail, i.e., they’ve already been caught committing a crime — often a violent crime. These are not the so-called “good” illegal aliens we’re always hearing about in the MSM; the ones who supposedly only come here because they want to work and make a better life for themselves. These are the criminal aliens, the rapists and murderers and drug dealers and thieves who come here to prey on Americans, the illegal aliens that even Obama and the MSM claim they want to get out of the U.S. (Remember, we are not currently deporting any of the “good” illegal aliens, even when they’re arrested for offenses like DUI’s, because Obama says we need to focus our limited immigration resources on removing the criminal illegal aliens — exactly the ones this program seeks to fingerprint).

The only reason Kelly and these other nitwits would oppose a common-sense program like this one is because they want to make sure NY remains hospitable to criminals. If New Yorkers agree with this idiotic position, then they deserve what they get.

AZCoyote on May 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I am against the blatent discrimination against legal citizens.
If I were a criminal my fingerprints get se t to see if I have committed other crimes but if I am illegal they are not?

barnone on May 12, 2012 at 4:10 PM

So I suppose there’s no such thing as a good story in New York without at least one worm in the apple.

“Go ahead, bite the big apple…don’t mind the OWS maggots!”

Liberty or Death on May 12, 2012 at 4:12 PM

this is coupled with the growing liberal opposition to actually putting convicted criminals in prison where they are not free to commit more crimes except against each other. and heaven help us we should use finger prints or dna evidence to convict someone of, oh, some trivial crime like first degree murder-let alone to ID undocumented trespassers sucking up bennies and free care and killing people while driving drunk without a license.

if you want to be more horrified and angry-let alone terrified- just look at the efforts of defense lawyers and ACLU types to limit the use of DNA and other identifiers in serious criminal trials of viscous, repeat rapists and killers. anything whatsoever that proves one is guilty is unthinkably biased and must be thrown out. evidence is just too prejudicial to be used in a fair trial.

it’s as if some people still think certain color coded adults should bear responsibility their transgressions against other, law abiding people. how racist and eurocentric.

mittens on May 12, 2012 at 4:20 PM

er vicious not viscous. woah.

mittens on May 12, 2012 at 4:21 PM

The only reason Kelly and these other nitwits would oppose a common-sense program like this one is because they want to make sure NY remains hospitable to criminals. If New Yorkers agree with this idiotic position, then they deserve what they get.

AZCoyote on May 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Politics, and nothing more, well that, and really bad optics, what’s going on in New York? Is there a contest to see who has the tinnyist ear?

Dr Evil on May 12, 2012 at 4:22 PM

I’m a *legal* immigrant to the USA and I had to give fingerprints (among loads of other things) but some think illegals shouldn’t….yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Paradox Drive on May 12, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Support by politicians for restrictions on police that favors immigrant criminals is a matter of sell-out calculations. Will some reasonable police behavior cause the loss of such & such block voting group that will hurt their re-election chances too much? If so it’s sellout time. They know that non-minorities, bless their sappy hearts, will split their votes for any number of considerations while always worrying about being racists – something “minorities” never worry about. So they oppose the reasonable police behavior and call it human compassion or avoidance of discrimination or some such lie, and get re-elected.

Chessplayer on May 12, 2012 at 4:24 PM

So let me get this right, democrat politicians and community organizers want to stop fingerprinting illegal aliens who are arrested. I would assume these are some of the same leaders who oppose Voter ID, even though about 70% of Americans support voter ID including majorities of Americans who are Hispanics and blacks.

Let me guess the vast majority of Americans are “on the wrong side of history”…

DVPTexFla on May 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM

I expect nothing less from that state….. That’s what you get when you go liiiibeeraaalllll.

ultracon on May 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM

But they will let them register to vote in the upcoming election…

albill on May 12, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Why does the open borders crowd (including “lawmakers” and elected politicians) get the vast majority of publicity, implying they represent the majority opinion, while the vast silent majority, those who simply ask for uniform law enforcement, are never heard from?


Even 40% of Hispanics want law enforcement, not amnesty (54%)
.

A pox on those (McCain, Kennedy, Bush, Newt, most liberals, et al) who want to reward foreign invaders with their ill-gotten goods (residency in our country).

The outright insanity of their “logic” is appalling — I challenge them to name another field of human activity where they think the policy of rewarding criminals with their ill-gotten goods will reduce the crime rate.

Attrition through enforcement, including the Secure Communities program, is the most logical, efficient, economical, just, and politically popular policy.

And join NumbersUSA and tell your congress critters for FREE!

fred5678 on May 12, 2012 at 5:22 PM

As I’ve always said, New York City, the most unrealistic place place I’ve ever lived. Before 5 PM, everything’s about making money; after 5 PM, everything’s about getting off.

The future’s going to be painful for them.

Cleombrotus on May 12, 2012 at 5:26 PM

“And I’m real proud of our mayor and our governor, who have all spoken out…. The police can’t disregard the law at the end of the day, but it’s a terrible thing to put them in when they should be focusing on real crime.”
Real crimes like eating trans-fats and salt and sugary drinks and smoking cigarettes.
xplodeit on May 12, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Exactly. It’s insane.

Cleombrotus on May 12, 2012 at 5:28 PM

The Organization of the New York City Police Department is structured into numerous bureaus and units. As a whole, the New York City Police Department is headed by the New York City Police Commissioner, a civilian administrator appointed by the Mayor of New York City, with the senior sworn uniformed member of the service titled “Chief of Department”.

(from Wikipedia)

That should explain a bit of it. The Commish is a political appointee, another nanny. What did the actual Chief think about it?

bofh on May 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Aw…

Why can’t I be a protected class of person?

SpikeRHSC on May 12, 2012 at 7:02 PM

If I have to have photographed and finger printed to give a test to IRS agents and tax preparers, then they have to get them for criminals.

Cindy Munford on May 12, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Police Commissioner is a political position.

WeekendAtBernankes on May 12, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Liberals look for every possible way to run this country into the ground.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 12, 2012 at 2:57 PM

All that matters is that they vote Democrat, if so, it’s all good.

RJL on May 12, 2012 at 8:49 PM

My whole life, as a southerner, I have been subjected to every hick, idiot and weirdo on TV having a southern accent.

If I were in charge of Hollywood, they’d all have New Yuck accents.

Judging by the leadership they choose, biggest. idiots. in. the. effin. world.

avgjo on May 12, 2012 at 9:18 PM

My whole life, as a southerner, I have been subjected to every hick, idiot and weirdo on TV having a southern accent.

If I were in charge of Hollywood, they’d all have New Yuck accents.

Judging by the leadership they choose, biggest. idiots. in. the. effin. world.

avgjo on May 12, 2012 at 9:18 PM

…I like that idea!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Christine Quinn knows just about everything there is to know, just ask her.

diogenes on May 12, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Oh, please, I’m a natural born citizen, and I’ve been fingerprinted so many times it isn’t funny. Twice in 2 states for a CCW, once by the SEC, when I worked at a stock brokerage, twice in the military, and a thumbprint taken by banks in the past when I’ve cashed a check.
If I wracked my brain, I’m sure there’s been more times than that. Oh, and once when I was slightly naughty in my 20′s. (I’m 51 now) When a citizen goes to jail, even if he’s not stuck there, they still take fingerprints. SOP.

GET OVER IT, LIBBIES AND ILLEGALS!!! What a total freaking pile of BS.

sage0925 on May 13, 2012 at 3:40 AM

Why are illegal aliens given rights that I am not afforded as a citizen?

Why are they allowed to remain anonymous, to do all sorts of things such as not pay taxes, and rob houses without having to wear gloves?

Why am I second class in my own country?

cane_loader on May 13, 2012 at 6:24 AM

Just to clarify because there seems to be some confusion in the comments, what the NYers are objecting to is sending the illegal alien criminals’ fingerprints to ICE. Every inmate gets fingerprinted when they enter jail, and those fingerprints get run through the FBI database. What the NYers are objecting to is having the NY jails also send the prints of suspected illegal alien inmates to ICE.

The NYers don’t want the criminal illegal aliens to be deported back to their own countries. Apparently, the NY law enforcement community is more than happy to have criminal illegal aliens (many of whom are violent) returned to NY neighborhoods after they complete their jail or prison sentences. The Obama administration is no longer deporting illegal aliens who’ve been arrested for offenses like DUI, so it is only illegal alien criminals who’ve committed major crimes who face the prospect of deportation.

As I noted before, even Obama is in favor of deporting illegal aliens who’ve been caught committing serious crimes in the U.S.; apparently, the NY LE community is to the left of even Obama.

AZCoyote on May 13, 2012 at 9:08 AM

undocumented immigrants

We need to take the English language back from Liberals.

Undocument Immigrants ILLEGAL ALIENS

CorporatePiggy on May 13, 2012 at 9:16 AM

But . . . . but . . . . if these poor illegal immigrant victims are removed from New York, Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) will not have enough votes to be re elected in November. /s

MR. ARIZONA on May 13, 2012 at 9:43 AM

As a born Southerner and Montana transplant, traveling through New York always felt like the equivalent of sneaking through Nazi occupied France.

claudius on May 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM

IT IS ILLEGAL TO BE UNDOCUMENTED.

MR. ARIZONA on May 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Fascinating.

And yet strangely, they have no problem fingerprinting my LEGAL green card carrying wife – 3 times!

Mr Galt on May 13, 2012 at 10:34 AM

The prints were already being sent to the FBI, so shipping them over to ICE shouldn’t be much of a leap.

WTF? The FBI won’t share the data with ICE?

iurockhead on May 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Here’s an idea – any real reporters out there interested I writing an article comparing and contrasting what lawful immigrants are expected and subjected to, vs. what the left considers inhumane for illegals?

I dare say, it would make for interesting and explosive reading.

Mr Galt on May 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Asked about the program at a Friday news conference, New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said “we prefer that they not do that here.”

When did our law enforcement officials decide to enforce only “some” laws. Sad.

faol on May 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM

f new york and chiefs of police

Sgt_H on May 14, 2012 at 6:23 AM