New EPA project: Cap-and-trade simulator

posted at 11:46 am on May 12, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

If you’re wondering what a second term for Barack Obama might mean, look no further than the EPA.  According to the publication Inside EPA, the agency has created a simulator for a cap-and-trade system, a rather extensive project that doesn’t appear to just be theoretical.  It’s not exactly a secret, either.  Enterprising citizens who want to check EPA assumptions on coal and carbon trading can download the software and install it on their own computers, straight from the EPA’s website, although you’ll need a network with multiple computers to do so:

The Cap & Trade Simulation (“the simulation”) is a tool that provides you an opportunity to put the theory of cap and trade into practice. In the simulation, you (or your team) act as an environmental compliance officer at an electric power plant located in the fictitious country of Ecoland. Your job is to develop a compliance strategy that will allow your facility to meet the emission limits (or cap) while still generating enough electricity to meet customer demand. You can employ various techniques such as switching fuels, installing emission controls, shifting electricity generation between generating units, adding new generating units, investing in demand-side electricity conservation programs, and/or purchasing emission allowances from other facilities.

There are two cap-and-trade scenarios available in this simulation: 1) a program to reduce sulfur dioxide (SO2) emissions that contribute to acid rain and fine particle pollution; or 2) a program to reduce carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions that contribute to climate change. No actual allowances are traded and all of the “companies” featured in the simulation are fictitious. The data used in the simulation are based on real-world situations, but do not reflect or influence the current allowance trading markets.

It’s not exactly Space Invaders or Sim City, is it?  If you want to skip playing around in “Ecoland,”, you can just download the documentation, which includes a “facilitator’s guide”:

This Facilitator’s Guide provides more in-depth information about the simulation and how it functions. It also provides information to help you lead the simulation in a classroom or conference setting as well as details about how to modify the simulation. The guide is organized into an introduction, instructions for using the simulator in a classroom or conference setting, frequently asked questions, topics for further discussion, and additional resources about cap & trade programs.

That sounds less like a fun way to blow off an afternoon and more like a strategy to start pushing hard for a cap-and-trade system.  The page was most recently updated on Thursday, May 10th; the documentation was created in March.  Yet nowhere in Obama’s campaign lit on energy does he mention support for a cap and trade system, probably due to his need to get votes in coal-economy states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, and others.

So what does this new Ecoland simulator from Obama’s EPA actually demonstrate?  According to Inside EPA, it shows that a carbon-trading system raises prices quickly, cuts electricity production, and in general could signal a death knell for the US economy:

When Inside EPA ran the simulator it showed that investments in carbon capture and other CO2 reduction options routinely cut into a power company’s profit margins, while also reducing electricity generation — arguments that would appear to echo critics of CO2 trading for utilities who warn of adverse impacts on the power sector. …

When Inside EPA tried the simulator, a reporter operated the fictional Periwinkle Point Power company, subject to the Ecoland government’s mandate to cut CO2 emissions 15 percent by 2014, with long-term cuts of 10 percent annually. Excess emissions above the cap would trigger a $68 penalty per ton and one future trading allowance…

…Despite the fluctuations in finances, one fact remained constant: even with renewable sites added to its portfolio, the steps Periwinkle Point Power took to comply with a CO2 cap meant it was failing to meet demand. The company was producing 9,724 GWh compared to a demand of 15,374 GWh.

That’s a shortfall of 36.8%, the kind of gap would make energy prices skyrocket, as Obama promised in January 2008.  It would mean that businesses couldn’t afford to expand, which would cut capital equipment sales, and also kill the engine of job creation — small businesses, which need lower entry costs to even begin operations.  Food prices, which are dependent on energy costs, would rapidly rise, burning through whatever disposable income was left after paying the electrical and gas bills.  In short, we’d be capping our future and trading it for brownouts, energy rationing, and poverty.

Welcome to Obama’s second term of office.


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Let’s unplug the simulator Nov 6th.

hillsoftx on May 12, 2012 at 11:50 AM

In short, we’d be capping our future and trading it for brownouts, energy rationing, and poverty.

The perfect outcome for Evvironmental Marxists.

petefrt on May 12, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Yeah. Just wait until ObowMao has more “flexibility”. Everything will be wonderful then. /s

Cecil on May 12, 2012 at 11:51 AM

I can not tell you how much I detest bho and his whole flippin team! We have got to get rid of that anti-American, and I am serious!
L

letget on May 12, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Our crooked federal government has models for every propaganda theme wants to push. Why does anyone believe anything that comes out of a government model? One excellent example: Every week the government publishes a “new unemployment claims” number and simultaneously increase the prior week’s number. Yet the government never fixes its model so that it produces accurate numbers the first time.

GaltBlvnAtty on May 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM

If I can capture allowances for the unicorn farts I prevent by not having unicorns under my rainbow, I’ll OWN Ecoland!

WhatNot on May 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM

@11:52,
I guess I should have said vote bho out come Nov.? It did sound a bit like I wanted something else for bho?
L

letget on May 12, 2012 at 11:54 AM

This is easy. Raise prices, ration output and get poor.

forest on May 12, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Seen satellite photos of North Korea at night??

Yeah…that’s our future….

Kim Jon….er…I mean.. Barrack Obama will be the only one with 24 hour lighting…

Electrongod on May 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM

This is a Godsend.

Conservatives need to download the program and show by their own simulations how destructive the Obama policies will be to the economy.

itsspideyman on May 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM

In short, we’d be capping our future and trading it for brownouts, energy rationing, and poverty

That’s the plan, no?

Curtiss on May 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM

This is some scary sh!t – I repeat – scary sh!t

Wonder what Romney’s people have to say about this.

koaiko on May 12, 2012 at 11:59 AM

C’mon, Ed. Stop exposing things like this. After the election he’ll have a little more flexibility to get things done. Until then, give the Bamster some space.

rogaineguy on May 12, 2012 at 12:00 PM

To all the “anybody but Mitt” crowd, I can’t see Mr. Romeny purposefully destroying America like this.

SouthernGent on May 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Enjoy the sim while you can.

Expect every important hard drive in the EPA to be erased beginning the day after election day.

Browner will supervise.

The Obama Administration has undoubtedly been the most lawless in the history of our country. How great an effort will be made to hold these criminal cretins to account?

novaculus on May 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

I loathe obaka…

ladyingray on May 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Does Julia live in Ecoland?

I’m getting a little tired of Obama’s fairy tale world. But what do you expect from a child who is president, raised by women and pampered his entire life.

fogw on May 12, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Enterprising citizens who want to check EPA assumptions on coal and carbon trading can download the software and install it on their own computers, straight from the EPA’s website, although you’ll need a network with multiple computers to do so

So Ecoland is more like a composite simulator?

de rigueur on May 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM

A human hater’s wet dream!

OldEnglish on May 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Rick Perry was right. Dismantle the EPA and the Depts. of Education and Energy.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Seen satellite photos of North Korea at night??

Yeah…that’s our future….

Kim Jon….er…I mean.. Barrack Obama will be the only one with 24 hour lighting…

Electrongod on May 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Beat me to it.

Who needs a simulator when you have the results of the Left’s War on Liberty for all to see in every broken down Socialist &#%hole around the world?

Chip on May 12, 2012 at 12:09 PM

But George Clooney is so dreamy!

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Any bets that will be scrubbed from the EPA web site rather quickly?

GarandFan on May 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM

To all the “anybody but Mitt” crowd, I can’t see Mr. Romeny purposefully destroying America like this.

SouthernGent on May 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Yep. That refusal to vote comes at a price,..a pretty steep one, apparently.

a capella on May 12, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Ecoland…Just mull that over for a moment.

“Orwellian” doesn’t even capture this monstrosity anymore.

4Grace on May 12, 2012 at 12:14 PM

You want a real stimulator? Try rolling blackouts across the country when 15% of the United States electric generation plants are closed because of the EPA’s whacko rules that will not save one life. God Bless America because we will need it!

RZuendt on May 12, 2012 at 12:16 PM

In short, we’d be capping our future and trading it for brownouts, energy rationing, and poverty.

Welcome to Obama’s second term of office.

Welcome to the Cloward-Pivens Strategy for the fundamental transformation of America into a Marxist Utopia. How many times do you guys need to led by the hand into understanding what this is before you finally accept reality?

The strategy

Cloward and Piven’s article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They stated that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare “would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments” that would “deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas.”[3] They wrote:
“ The ultimate objective of this strategy—to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income—will be questioned by some. Because the ideal of individual social and economic mobility has deep roots, even activists seem reluctant to call for national programs to eliminate poverty by the outright redistribution of income.[3] ”

Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven “proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income. They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy.“[4]

SWalker on May 12, 2012 at 12:18 PM

This simulator and the whole system it operates by sound homophobic and racist to me.

I learned from a reliable source that the cap-and-trade system bullied other systems when it was at C&T Polytech. It took money from the Koch brothers too.

But I think its worst sin has been the relentless war it’s waging on women.

J.E. Dyer on May 12, 2012 at 12:18 PM

As past computer modeling has shown us (unemployment numbers, climate warming, etc.), one can program a computer to provide any result one wants.

Four words; Garbage In, Garbage Out

Mitoch55 on May 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I prefer to look at it as the power company need to generate 58% more power to meet demand. With 58% more demand the price should slightly more than double. Another alternative is that all manufacturing businesses leave the area of this power generator’s area.

It’s not the tax disparity that makes business leave countries. It is the hostility to business that makes them move.

jukin3 on May 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Rick Perry was right. Dismantle the EPA and the Depts. of Education and Energy.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Yep, that should be high on Mitt’s TO DO list, right after taking care of Øbamacare.

petefrt on May 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM

How much did this nonsense cost us?

JPeterman on May 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM

right after taking care of Øbamacare.

petefrt on May 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM

and the TSA.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Romney & the RNC need to include this in their arsenal of ASO (anti-shiny-objects) weaponry!

KS Rex on May 12, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Check out what is happening in Germany right now under a mandatory emissions cap system. Over 700,000 citizens, many of whom are elderly pensioners with fixed incomes, have had their electricity turned off because they cannot afford to pay the massively higher bills. There are routine brownouts and blackouts in major population centers.

Think you have enough money saved for retirement? If we get this kind of system, you probably don’t.

rockmom on May 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM

This simulator and the whole system it operates by sound homophobic and racist to me.

I learned from a reliable source that the cap-and-trade system bullied other systems when it was at C&T Polytech. It took money from the Koch brothers too.

But I think its worst sin has been the relentless war it’s waging on women.

J.E. Dyer on May 12, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Laughing too much to properly form a rejoinder.

Chip on May 12, 2012 at 12:40 PM

The Cap and Trade Simulator = Peabody and Sherman’s Wayback Machine set for the 12th century.

Rixon on May 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM

In short, we’d be capping our future and trading it for brownouts, energy rationing, and poverty.

Welcome to Obama’s second term of office.

Welcome to the Cloward-Pivens Strategy for the fundamental transformation of America into a Marxist Utopia.

and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy.

SWalker on May 12, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Does anyone have an alternative explanation to what the National Socialist Left is doing these days?

Anyone??

Chip on May 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Check out what is happening in Germany right now under a mandatory emissions cap system. Over 700,000 citizens, many of whom are elderly pensioners with fixed incomes, have had their electricity turned off because they cannot afford to pay the massively higher bills.

rockmom on May 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM

looks like this blathering idiot will replicate every single monumentally bad decision that the Europeans made over here….

jimver on May 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM

That’s a shortfall of 36.8%, the kind of gap would make energy prices skyrocket, as Obama promised in January 2008. It would mean that businesses couldn’t afford to expand, which would cut capital equipment sales, and also kill the engine of job creation — small businesses, which need lower entry costs to even begin operations. Food prices, which are dependent on energy costs, would rapidly rise, burning through whatever disposable income was left after paying the electrical and gas bills. In short, we’d be capping our future and trading it for brownouts, energy rationing, and poverty.

Why does the modern Democrat party hate poor people and the “middle class?”

These ill-advised Leftist policies will not affect the Lefty planners, politicians, lobbyists, crony-capitalists, entertainer & athlete types, etc. Yet the average Dem voter is 100% on board. Why?

visions on May 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

In short, we’d be capping our future and trading it for brownouts, energy rationing, and poverty.

Welcome to Obama’s second term of office.

Welcome to the Cloward-Pivens Strategy for the fundamental transformation of America into a Marxist Utopia.

and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy.

SWalker on May 12, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Does anyone have an alternative explanation to what the National Socialist Left is doing these days?

Anyone??

Chip on May 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

A bunch of people say he’s close to death…

SWalker on May 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

…Despite the fluctuations in finances, one fact remained constant: even with renewable sites added to its portfolio, the steps Periwinkle Point Power took to comply with a CO2 cap meant it was failing to meet demand. The company was producing 9,724 GWh compared to a demand of 15,374 GWh.

Sounds like they actually set it up right.

Count to 10 on May 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

What do you expect from a country that elects a dog-eating racist coke freak with mom jeans, a bicycle helmet, and an imaginary girlfriend to be its President?

HeatSeeker2011 on May 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM

We all have family, neighbors and co-workers that do not follow politics as closely as we do. Make sure that every single one of those people know what is going on. Share the Friday Night news dumps, the government website “proposals,” the brow-beating of large Republican donors, the intimidation of businesses (large and small), the rogue actions of the DOJ…All of it.

We must dump all of these disgusting “engineers” in November!

4Grace on May 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM

How much did this nonsense cost us?

JPeterman on May 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM

They spent 80 million on one website, so this simulator was probably rather expensive.

dogsoldier on May 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Does it work as well as the simulator used to predict unemployment would not go above 8% if the stimulus package was passed?

Wigglesworth on May 12, 2012 at 12:59 PM

How many millions of our tax dollars did the EPA waste on the development of this idiotic program, and why isn’t anyone in Congress putting a stop to this kind of garbage?

If we’ve learned anything from this disaster of an administration, it’s that the executive branch of the federal government has become much too large and powerful. We should demand that Congress stop ceding power to the executive branch (no more “the Secretary of X Department shall promulgate regulations . . .”).

In our constitutional system, it’s the legislature’s job to make federal laws, not the president’s. Congress needs to start acting like they know that.

AZCoyote on May 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM

and the TSA.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Yep, that too.

petefrt on May 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM

How much C02 is released when an EPA employee is tarred and feathered and set a light?

Wallythedog on May 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Does anyone have an alternative explanation to what the National Socialist Left is doing these days?

Anyone??

Chip on May 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM

There is no alternative explanation. This is their plan.

I sure hope someone in Mitt’s organization has also downloaded this little “simulator” and plans to use it as a cudgel on the Obama campaign.

For that matter, all conservative ITs should be downloading it and burning it to DVDs to distribute as far and wide as possible before the EPA scrubs it.

PatriotGal2257 on May 12, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Think you have enough money saved for retirement? If we get this kind of system, you probably don’t.

rockmom on May 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Øbama’s sticking it to seniors in so many ways. Soaring energy and food prices now, stagflation on the way along with Øbamacare rationing, Death Panels, and End-of-Life counseling. Such a deal.

petefrt on May 12, 2012 at 1:04 PM

To all the “anybody but Mitt” crowd, I can’t see Mr. Romeny purposefully destroying America like this.

SouthernGent on May 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

You don’t know Romney’s record. From The Romney Scorecard: RINO :

In 2005, the Boston Globe reported Romney lauded Cap-and-Trade as “good for business.” And, as this video shows, Romney, while campaigning in Manchester, NH on December 27, 2007, briefly answers a question about carbon caps saying: “I support Cap-and-Trade on a global basis but not the USA going alone. I want to do it with other nations involved and on a global scale.” This is sufficient reason to eliminate Mr. Mitt for consideration for national office forever.

Romney’s position on global warming is clear. In a June 3rd, 2011, speech he stated “I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course, but I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that.” To recall, Romney ‘likes mandates’, so don’t expect Mitt to rid the nation of the EPA.

I’ll vote for Romney in November, but I know that I’m exchanging half an Obama for the full Obama. Don’t be surprised if a President Romney continues many of Obama’s policies.

Gladtobehere on May 12, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Øbama’s sticking it to seniors in so many ways. Soaring energy and food prices now, stagflation on the way along with Øbamacare rationing, Death Panels, and End-of-Life counseling. Such a deal.

Absolutely. Plus, a lot of seniors retired expecting a 4% return on their Certificates of Deposit. This was a reasonable return: not greedy, not farfetched. It was in line with historical returns.

Today, a good rate of return on a 1-year CD is about 0.75% to 0.90%. These people have been devastated.

If a Republican was president the harm to seniors would be all the MSM would be writing about.

HeatSeeker2011 on May 12, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Seen satellite photos of North Korea at night??

Yeah…that’s our future….

Kim Jon….er…I mean.. Barrack Obama will be the only one with 24 hour lighting…

Electrongod on May 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM

That’s Kim Ba Ob, and less the nukes, that’s his vision for the US.

Steve Eggleston on May 12, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I don’t see my comment posted, so I’m repeating what I tried to post about 20 minutes ago.

To all the “anybody but Mitt” crowd, I can’t see Mr. Romeny purposefully destroying America like this.

SouthernGent on May 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

You don’t know Romney’s record. From The Romney Scorecard: RINO :

In 2005, the Boston Globe reported Romney lauded Cap-and-Trade as “good for business.” And, as this video shows, Romney, while campaigning in Manchester, NH on December 27, 2007, briefly answers a question about carbon caps saying: “I support Cap-and-Trade on a global basis but not the USA going alone. I want to do it with other nations involved and on a global scale.” This is sufficient reason to eliminate Mr. Mitt for consideration for national office forever.

Romney’s position on global warming is clear. In a June 3rd, 2011, speech he stated “I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course, but I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that.” To recall, Romney ‘likes mandates’, so don’t expect Mitt to rid the nation of the EPA.

I’ll vote for Romney in November, but I know that I’m exchanging half an Obama for the full Obama. Don’t be surprised if a President Romney continues many of Obama’s policies.

Gladtobehere on May 12, 2012 at 1:19 PM

An old joke suggests that the difference between simulation and stimulation was about 6 inches.

ericdijon on May 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

In short, we’d be capping our future and trading it for brownouts, energy rationing, and poverty.

I can guaran-damn-tee you that waivers will “unexpectedly” appear for all sorts of special demographics:
* Muslims
* Blacks
* Unions
* The TomHanks/GeorgeClooney Hollywood machine
* OWS
* Teachers/University Professors
* All non-Fox News Media outlets
and especially
* Hard-core Obama Supporting citizens (legal or not).

SnarkySam on May 12, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Climate change is bs. My Real Science comment: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/joe-bastardi-explains-the-real-climate-problem

A Bogus Theory
No or minimal warming, even cooling depending on the metric used. But there should be warming… because we are recovering from the Little Ice Age. And the LIA is one of the key things that the fabricated Hockey Stick suppressed.
Same with icemelt. There in fact should be glacier & icecap melting, because we are coming out of the LIA. Sure, the prophets of doom like algor keep pointing to alleged icemelt. The arctic is completely free of ice, they at least imply, and that’s what the typical person thinks. Glaciers around the world are all but gone! BUT, if we had in fact had a net icemelt of the type that the bs artists trumpet, the sea should have risen — substantially. That’s not the case. There’s “data” that purports to show a minimal sea level rise, but if you go to the beach yourself, or view before / after pictures of beaches over the decades, you can see there’s been no rise in the sea level. None.
There has not been icemelt or sea level rise of any significance, despite the fact that there should have been because we are coming out of the Little Ice Age. There has not been a temperature change that is in any way outside of ordinary normal nature. There is nothing wrong with the climate, so how do we have a climate problem? And, contrary to what the ipcc had claimed, there is no empirical evidence that CO2 causes climate scale warming, or, uh… climate scale change. On CO2, all there is is an ambiguous and arguably dubious theoretical model, no evidence.
Finally, the coup de gras is the proven ideological motivation of the warmists, and of their prolific deceptions. Why is it that the “cure” for the climate change problem just so happens to be exactly the same thing that the leftist econuts have been calling for for decades: deindustrialization. This “coincidence” is just too unlikely. Global warming climate change my rear end! This theory is bogus.

anotherJoe on May 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM

To all the “anybody but Mitt” crowd, I can’t see Mr. Romeny purposefully destroying America like this.

SouthernGent on May 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

I can. It will just take a little longer.

Big government will still be a problem, even if a ‘republican’ is in charge.

trigon on May 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM

You can employ various techniques such as switching fuels, installing emission controls, shifting electricity generation between generating units, adding new generating units, investing in demand-side electricity conservation programs, and/or purchasing emission allowances from other facilities.

No company would be able to afford these luxuries.

EPA, surely you jest.

timberline on May 12, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Seen satellite photos of North Korea at night??

Yeah…that’s our future….

Kim Jon….er…I mean.. Barrack Obama will be the only one with 24 hour lighting…

Electrongod on May 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM

What’s the carbon footprint on candles?

timberline on May 12, 2012 at 1:48 PM

You can employ various techniques such as switching fuels, installing emission controls, shifting electricity generation between generating units, adding new generating units, investing in demand-side electricity conservation programs, and/or purchasing emission allowances from other facilities.

Can I build a nuke plant?

Didn’t think so.

trigon on May 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM

SWalker on May 12, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Spot on. And Cloward and Piven were inspired by 0′s hero,
Saul Alinsky.

“……Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and chance the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution.

-Saul Alinsky, in the prologue to “Rules for Radicals.”

iurockhead on May 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Looks like we could all heat our homes off the fat of the obese, job killer COW, LISA JACKSON! All bow down to the our betters.

tessa on May 12, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I heard this on the radio last year: The California Air Resources Board Chair, Mary Nichols, was asked about manufacturing jobs that will be killed by the California cap & trade system. After hemming and hawing she finally said: “There are some jobs we don’t need”.

I nearly drove off the road. We have a 20.8% U6 unemployment rate in California. Friends and relations haven’t had a job for three years. Don’t let the eco-fascists win in your state.

theCork on May 12, 2012 at 2:03 PM

I can. It will just take a little longer.

Big government will still be a problem, even if a ‘republican’ is in charge.

trigon on May 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM

So you prefer to not attempt to slow down the train in hope of eventually stopping it?
Brilliant fluking strategy.

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Rio Linda Refugee on May 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Civilization’s Wrecking Ball
The radical cap & trade bill that passed the U.S. House in the early summer of 2009 dictated that there would be mandatory 83% CO2 cuts by 2050 — back to 1867 per capita use levels, back to when all we had was a few trains sputtering around, no cars, no planes, lights, vacuums, refridgerators, air conditioners, electric stoves, computers, TVs. No power stations… at all.
This would have taken a wrecking ball to civilization. No joke. The notion that appliances and engines would gain tenfold in efficiency is pure poppycock. Cap & trade would have started to immediately cut into our industrial base, causing widespread shut downs of industrial facilities of every stripe. Energy prices would skyrocket, and that is putting it lightly. Availability of products, of nearly every kind, would be severely retarded. Scores of millions would suffer unemployment or underemployment as the economy cratered. But this is exactly what the fear-mongering Chicken Littles desire. It is the leftist dream. Some quotes:

“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States… ” –John Holdren (1973), Obama’s Science Czar
“Isn’t the only hope for this planet the total collapse of industrial civilisation? Is it not our responsibility to ensure that this collapse happens? ” –Maurice Strong, ex UNEP Director
“My [goal is to] destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness… returning throughout the world.” –David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!
“We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster… to bomb us into the stone age, where we might live like Indians… with our localism… our gardens, our homemade religion.” — Stewart Brand, Whole Earth Catalogue
Think that this desire to return to stone age is not alive and well? Look what’s happening right now in Tombstone AZ. See the Fox report at the link with John Stossel reporting! In Tombstone, pipes for their water supply were destroyed in a fire and subsequent mudslides. Obama’s “wilderness officials,” despite the fact that nearly zero animals are living there now in fire gutted region, will not let them repair the pipes unless “horses and stone tools” are used. A wheelbarrow was deemed “too mechanized” and not allowed. Absolute insanity. See the link: http://www.allamericanblogger.com/21262/dc-tells-tombstone-az-they-can-repair-water-system-as-long-as-they-use-horses-and-hand-tools/

anotherJoe on May 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM

The company was producing 9,724 GWh compared to a demand of 15,374 GWh.

This is a perfect example of why the totalitarian left are the kings of rationing.

RJL on May 12, 2012 at 3:18 PM

all the “anybody but Mitt” crowd, I can’t see Mr. Romeny purposefully destroying America like this.
SouthernGent
 on May 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

You’re joking right? Look who Mittness surrounded himself with while governor! Holdren, Einstein et al. The same people behind Oboobi have been there and done that with Mittness. He’s just hoping that desperate CINOs like you won’t notice the progressives in his domestic slate. And you can count on him ramming these things thru simply because we have to be bi-partisan with our Democratic and RINO friends that remain in Congress. Dream on that the EPA won’t continue their long range plan to cripple us.

AH_C on May 12, 2012 at 3:24 PM

We elected a bunch of newbies in ’10 to defund the epa and they couldn’t even stand up for our light bulbs. Next term will consist of green jobs for all.

Kissmygrits on May 12, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on May 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM

I’m surprised you weren’t using crayons.

You don’t slow things down and hope. That is for fools.

You elect someone who will fight to stop it.

If someone as stupid as I an can see that, what does it make you?

trigon on May 12, 2012 at 4:03 PM

So Obama’s energy plan doesn’t mention cap and trade, huh?
Why does everyone come up with massive theories as to why that would be? The simple answer is that he’s a liar.

He and his little trained minions will stoop to anything to hold the reins of power. The ends justify the means. That little slogan should be on every Obama lover’s bumper in this country.

gordo on May 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on May 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM

How did you do the Picard Facepalm?

Gladtobehere on May 12, 2012 at 4:20 PM

If you read my “Civilzation’s Wrecking Ball” comment above, I hope you check out the Tombstone link. It points to another weapon that will be added (beyond cap & trade) to the leftists’ arsenal against industrial civilization.

I wasn’t even really sure that the legend of Tombstone was an actual place, but it’s kind of ironic, you have Tombstone symbolizing raw and rough freedom and the American frontier spirit… cowed or rolled over by the federal pencil-pushing bureaucrats and econuts.

So, what Tombstone shows is that not only would cap & trade directly cause deindustrialization, but the leftists if they could would simply mandate deindustrialization wherever they can. Would wheelbarrows be “too mechanized?”

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/21262/dc-tells-tombstone-az-they-can-repair-water-system-as-long-as-they-use-horses-and-hand-tools/

anotherJoe on May 12, 2012 at 4:20 PM

I understand – I will transmit this information to Vladimir.

Adjoran on May 12, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Obama cannot understand the resistance to his efforts.

After all, he was an expert at SimCity 4. His cities were beautiful, efficient, and clean.

BobMbx on May 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Cap and trade is a terrible solution.

Someone who has a better solution to carbon dioxide emissions, please come forward and share.

Carbon cutbacks aren’t going to come voluntarily.

oakland on May 12, 2012 at 7:30 PM

There’s “data” that purports to show a minimal sea level rise, but if you go to the beach yourself, or view before / after pictures of beaches over the decades, you can see there’s been no rise in the sea level

anotherJoe on May 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Good thing that scientists doin’t just eyeball things. They use something called “instrumentation”.

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html

oakland on May 12, 2012 at 7:35 PM

it’s up to the States to overreach since Congress is self-perpetuating and full of scumbags

John Kettlewell on May 12, 2012 at 10:07 PM

*States to stand up against overreach

John Kettlewell on May 12, 2012 at 10:07 PM

…States should succeed?!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2012 at 11:39 PM

I used to think the Obama administration was incompetent. Now I believe they are subversives. Enemies of the state.

Philly on May 13, 2012 at 1:25 AM

he Cap & Trade Simulation (“the simulation”) is a tool that provides you an opportunity to put the theory of cap and trade into practice.


Running a simulation is not having the “opportunity to put a theory into practice.” It’s testing a theory by using another theory. Either or both could be wrong and you’d have no way of knowing. Computer models are not proof of anything. They are someone’s guess on how things will work out.

Fred 2 on May 13, 2012 at 2:02 AM

The EPA: Job Murder, Inc.

kd6rxl on May 13, 2012 at 6:28 AM

Unless and until the GOP or a strong leader (not always the same thing) confront the ecological politics implanted in the mush headed minds of our nation through it’s edoctrination system, we shall fall because of this eco-worship.

They have used fear and “don’t use our God-given resources” thinking, in lieu of sound conservation. They preach preservation instead of wise-use conservation, and deliberately,at the expense of our economic well-being.

They have equated in our indoctrinated minds -the absurd idea that using Nature’s God’s resources, equates to evil pollution (even while they defy Natures God in spreading their cultural and moral pollution)
At this moment in time, the GOP fears dealing honestly with the issue (a winner with work and honesty) in the same manner they fear dealing with the systematic abuse of the black community by the left also a winner with hard work and honesty)

Don L on May 13, 2012 at 6:32 AM

If CaT come to be in this country, we will soon be a 3rd world country while India, Mexico, China, and the likes of them will become the powerful nations.

Then we can be like those 3rd world countries and beg for support form those countries.

watertown on May 13, 2012 at 7:25 AM

Ecoland? Isn’t that country right next to RINOland an it’s capitol Ballessville?

BigAlSouth on May 13, 2012 at 7:48 AM

…Despite the fluctuations in finances, one fact remained constant: even with renewable sites added to its portfolio, the steps Periwinkle Point Power took to comply with a CO2 cap meant it was failing to meet demand. The company was producing 9,724 GWh compared to a demand of 15,374 GWh.

Sounds like they actually set it up right.

Count to 10 on May 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Yes, and that’s interesting in itself.

The AGW “computer models” have proven that you can “tweak” a computer simulation to produce whatever result you desire. This is how Mann’s “Hockey Stick” became first famous, and then infamous, and finally a laughingstock, when it was shown that due to the program’s algorithm biases you could put in not just real climate data, but anything, even a string of zeroes, and the program would invariably produce a “hockey stick” graph of rising temperatures.

With that in mind, the fact that EPA’s “simulator” shows little or no return re temperature combined with spiraling costs and colossal shortfalls in power production tells me there are two possibilities;

1. Whoever wrote the program was afraid to “tweak” it to get the result his bosses wanted, for fear of the backlash when the cheating was found out. Remember, this was designed for public use, so anybody with at least two firing synapses would realize that it would be “reverse engineered” faster than the old Doom graphics/FPS engine was. or

2. Even if they did try to tweak it, there was no way to do so short of blatant and total fantasy number generation to avoid coming up with this kind of result. Which means that what the simulation shows is a rose-colored glasses, best-case scenario.

Which means that the reality would be substantially worse.

You have to love it when a group of fanatics are forced to admit the truth about their delusions. However inadvertent the admission may be.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 13, 2012 at 8:48 AM

What makes anyone think Romney isn’t going to go along with backdoor “global warming” regulation too?

18-1 on May 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM

more bs use of our tax dollars

losarkos on May 13, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Good thing that scientists doin’t just eyeball things. They use something called “instrumentation”.

http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html

oakland on May 12, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Real sea level rise is 1.7 mm/yr. So tiny as to present no problem. And sea level rise has gone flat in recent years.

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

That link shows a higher average because they calculate and include sea floor spreading (otherwise their average would also be 1.7 mm)… but sea floor spreading doesn’t raise the sea level, it lowers it. So when this chart shows sea level rise going flat, the seas are ACTUALLY lowering.

theCork on May 13, 2012 at 12:07 PM

70% can’t wait for Obama’s concession speech and to see Lisa Jackson packing up her things.

Amazingoly on May 13, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Year Zero, 2012.
Forward, comrades!

Kenosha Kid on May 13, 2012 at 1:53 PM

And nearly 50% of this country is stupid enough to want this nonsense.

TX-96 on May 13, 2012 at 2:14 PM

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