Black voters in NC supported Amendment One by 2-1 margin

posted at 10:01 am on May 10, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

If the President expects to get a boost at the ballot box over his flip-flop on same-sex marriage, the composition of North Carolina’s vote on Tuesday might indicate a big problem in his strategy.  Obama came out publicly against Amendment One, which shifted the state’s ban on same-sex marriage from statute to constitutional amendment, and opponents railed against the loss as a victory for bigotry.  However, that message might not sell well in the Tarheel State or in other swing states when black voters supported the constitutional ban by a 2-1 margin:

African-Americans voted 2-1 in favor of the North Carolina amendment banning gay marriage Tuesday, but the White House is betting that black voters there and beyond will stick with the president, despite broad resistance to legalization.

While there’s faith that African-Americans will turn out strong at the polls to protect Obama’s legacy, pollsters point out that while opposition to same-sex marriages has fallen in the black community, it’s still just a point shy of 50 percent — enough to affect black turnout, at least theoretically, in an election where every vote will matter.

Obama’s statement rocked the political world. But it also underscored a widely-held belief that African-American voters are closer to Republicans than Democrats when it comes to gay marriage.

That’s a big problem for Obama in North Carolina, because as Politico’s Joseph Williams points out, African-American turnout was key in winning the state for Obama in 2008.  Obama only won by 14,000 votes in that race, and so even a small level of dropoff in voter turnout in this demographic would be deadly to Team Obama’s hopes to retain North Carolina.

However, that’s really a minor problem for Obama.  No one thinks that black voters are going to shift support to Romney over gay marriage, or at all for any reason.  Turnout and enthusiasm could be issues, but gay marriage is the least of the drivers on that score.  On Tuesday, 199,000 Democrats chose no option in the presidential preference poll rather than vote for Obama’s nomination, slightly more than one in every five Democrats who voted.  That’s 14 times the margin by which Obama won in 2008, and that’s not because of same-sex marriage, which is dead last on voter priorities.

The real problem with this data will be the derailing of the “bigotry” claim against those who oppose the legalization of same-sex marriage.  If progressives think they will win elections by calling two-thirds of black voters in North Carolina bigots, they’re in for a rude awakening in November.  If they push that message in other swing states, then Obama will be working on his presidential library next January.

Update: On Twitter, Dean’s Logic reminds me that the final number of votes for “no preference” in NC’s Democratic presidential primary was over 199,000, not 140,000.  I’ve corrected it above.


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It’s all about the money. The black community has record unemployment, thanks to the current administration’s policies, and they can’t fund the Campaign of Campaigns the Democrats have planned.

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Lily on May 10, 2012 at 10:57 AM

The sad disconnect in the black community, and the utter failure of their “leaders,” is the failure to connect high and rising black unemployment with 0bama’s decision to leave the border open, and to stop nearly all deportation proceedings.

In our area, the wave of Mexican illegals since Katrina in ’05 has disproportionately displaced black Americans.

The blacks, of ALL people, should be up in arms over the foreign invasion, not over Trayvon.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:02 AM

but 90% of blacks will still support obama in november

Pragmatic on May 10, 2012 at 11:05 AM

No one thinks that black voters are going to shift support to Romney over gay marriage, or at all for any reason.

Understatement of the day. He could kill dogs in a dog-fighting match and they’d vote for him. Heck, he’s already for killing alive babies and tossing them in the trashcan.

SouthernGent on May 10, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Blacks may not vote for him. It will be difficult to tell right away because the ones that show up will vote for him. Many will stay home. And while they are there, maybe they will reflect for a moment why they are still jobless, undeducated, living in the hood, and still living on government handouts.

BetseyRoss on May 10, 2012 at 11:06 AM

do you really think he is happy being married? Do you ever see them kiss or hold hands that isn’t a glamor shot?

upinak on May 10, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Would you willingly hold hands with the Mooch? She isn’t even beer goggles attractive. Ugly on the inside and out.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Come on people, let’s get read here. Obama could go on national TV and give the grand wizard of the KKK a giant bear hug, and he’d still get 97% of the black vote in November.

angryed on May 10, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Would you willingly hold hands with the Mooch? She isn’t even beer goggles attractive. Ugly on the inside and out.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 11:07 AM

I just point out the obvious. Can’t attract what you don’t believe in.

upinak on May 10, 2012 at 11:12 AM

The decision of the black community, at large, to tolerate and even foster disregard for the value of their children’s education, has left the majority of modern black Americans functionally illiterate, when it comes to being a useful employee.

SO – we have a huge pool of unskilled labor. Black, American, UNSKILLED labor.

Now that America has been invaded by Mexico, and the president has ordered a stealth amnesty, we have another huge pool of unskilled labor. Brown, non-American, illegal, unskilled labor.

So, now you’ve got two huge, competing pools of unskilled labor. What’s the tiebreaker when an employer goes to hire?

1. Hiring under the table lets the employer save a lot of money. (Employer is acting immorally.)

2. Comparative work ethic. (Employer is acting morally.)

I am not being purposely incendiary with what I’m going to say here – I’m repeating, verbatim, what I have heard over and over and over from small business owners in my area, who have only been used to having that second pool of (illegal) unskilled labor since Katrina:

“The Mexican will work. The black won’t.”

If the blacks want to lift themselves up, they need to:

1. Take education seriously.

2. Protest the hiring of illegal aliens for the same unskilled jobs the blacks are competing for.

3. Work hard and don’t backtalk the boss and customers.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:12 AM

30% increase in energy prices, over 200,000 jobs lost, and the azz fiddles with gay marriage.

Schadenfreude on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

In our area, the wave of Mexican illegals since Katrina in ’05 has disproportionately displaced black Americans.

The blacks, of ALL people, should be up in arms over the foreign invasion, not over Trayvon.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:02 AM

I lived in New Orleans from 5 months after Katrina until November of 2008. It was interesting to see how things shifted with the sudden emergence of a Hispanic population. Blacks indeed were displaced but a big part of that had to do with they re-established themselves in Houston or wherever they were evacuated to rather than return to New Orleans. Welfare is welfare and many found that Texas was a better deal than the New Orleans welfare culture.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

TOTALLY UNscientific survey, via local radio program, this AM ….
ONLY black callers, re their response to this announcement =
3-1utterly disappointed, felt betrayed, saddened.

Jus’ sayin’.

pambi on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

I would call you an Unusually Good Liar on the statement above, but don’t have to. There are still plenty of Japanese-Americans living today who painfully remember how a Democrat pResident threw them into internment camps solely because of their Race after Pearl Harbor. One of them in fact was a teacher of mine in 6th grade in Hawai’i when I grew up there in the 1960s.

INC

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Yes, Japanese internment is the equivalent of 4 hundred years of slavery and a 100 years of Jim Crow afterwards. That’s definitely an effective argument against my claim that black people are uniquely familiar with state surveillance and harassment. Well done

A++++++++

libfreeordie on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Would you willingly hold hands with the Mooch? She isn’t even beer goggles attractive. Ugly on the inside and out.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Being caught alone with Michelle would be like finding oneself facing a pit bull alone in an alley. Back slowly away, don’t look it in the eye, and pray not to get eaten.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:15 AM

for blacks: who do you trust more? a black man in power or a white one? that’s why they will usually vote for the black one every time (horrible memories of oppression, persecution and violence on themselves and family members by whites suppress all other ‘rational’ factors)… long-term PTSD in the black community is very common… and it’s why blacks who move to the u.s. from other countries can’t understand the long-term racism and focus on race that exists here (i.e., race category requirements in census reports,loan and employment applications, etc.). the u.s. needs to break away from this pathological race-focused sickness …stop the fixation by first stop having the government force everyone to identify themselves and others by race!

Pragmatic on May 10, 2012 at 11:16 AM

3-1utterly disappointed, felt betrayed, saddened.

pambi on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

So pretty much like Gingrich or Perry voters.

They’ll still vote for Obama.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 11:17 AM

I don’t like talking about the First Lady like that. I’ve just never felt any sense of warmth or kinship with her. She has never shown me any side of her, whatsoever, to like.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:17 AM

You know what would close the deal after this gay marriage charage, Mitt picking a moderate black VP,perhaps even a female. I love me the Allen West personally, but may not be the right fit to take 10% of Obama’s black vote away. Herman may have too much baggage…I know Condi has been tossed about…hummm…

hillsoftx on May 10, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Why isn’t he out there pushing marriage?

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Because he is evolving.

It is irrelevant that his anatomy hasn’t evolved along with his moral values.

rwenger43 on May 10, 2012 at 11:21 AM

I lived in New Orleans from 5 months after Katrina until November of 2008. It was interesting to see how things shifted with the sudden emergence of a Hispanic population. Blacks indeed were displaced but a big part of that had to do with they re-established themselves in Houston or wherever they were evacuated to rather than return to New Orleans. Welfare is welfare and many found that Texas was a better deal than the New Orleans welfare culture.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

A lot of Texans are still unhappy that they had to absorb the exodus. They started having discipline problems in the schools the likes of which they had never seen.

As far as your displacement theory of New Orleans, I’m talking about further west.

Lafayett has become an absolute hive of illegals. I never thought I would see such a sudden, large arrival of migrant labor, like a flock of birds descending.

Over here, oh yesiree. Massive displacement of black workers. Massive.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Yes, Japanese internment is the equivalent of 4 hundred years of slavery and a 100 years of Jim Crow afterwards. That’s definitely an effective argument against my claim that black people are uniquely familiar with state surveillance and harassment. Well done

A++++++++

libfreeordie on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Just curious, but what are your credentials for speaking on behalf of black people and their plight?

What exactly makes you an expert on this?

ButterflyDragon on May 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM

even if blacks fail to vote for obama for his support of gay marriage, they will certainly not vote for romney (most blacks consider mormons racist -right or wrong, that’s what they believe)…they will not vote for president at all before they vote for rmnet..it may be sad but it’s true); when will romney start his outreach to the black community in order to win votes? he does have an opportunity to win votes by dispelling the myths re: racism by the mormon religion…we he take the time to tackle this issue? it will be very interesting to see what, if anything, romney does vis-a-vis the black vote…there is an opportunity there for him…will he take advantage of it?

Pragmatic on May 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Welfare is welfare and many found that Texas was a better deal than the New Orleans welfare culture.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Texas can keep them.

Katrina ended up destroying the New Orleans political machine that was throwing statewide elections to the Dems, which is why I expect that Sen. Mary Landrieu will be retiring rather than run for another term in 2014.

teke184 on May 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM

I know Condi has been tossed about…hummm…

hillsoftx on May 10, 2012 at 11:19 AM

No race-puppet VP picks. That would stink of pandering so bad, that it would hurt Mitt more than it would help.

Not to mention Rice is a cloistered, globalist academic with little common sense, and she would be just a disaster as president. Over the years I have come to dislike her policy positions, nearly every time I have heard her speak.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Lafayett has become an absolute hive of illegals. I never thought I would see such a sudden, large arrival of migrant labor, like a flock of birds descending.

Baton Rouge is getting them, too, though possibly not in the same numbers as NOLA or Laffy.

teke184 on May 10, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Ever lived in the State O’bama claims to have been born in? I grew up there. And as a White guy I was in the minority.

I can assure you, it was and still is one of the most racist and bigoted places on the planet.

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Exactly why I’ve never wanted to vacation in HI. People are always shocked when I tell them I have zero desire to visit “paradise”. Those racist punks ain’t getting a dime from me. They can hate whitey all they want. This whitey ain’t playing their game.

mapper on May 10, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Obama’s statement rocked the political world.

Yeah, right. Only hermits & political ostriches were surprised by his “change of heart”. Pathetic.

KS Rex on May 10, 2012 at 11:27 AM

By the way, to address those of you who may be viewed my comments as bigoted, just realkize that they are based upon day-to-day, year-to-year experience in living in a part of the country with a large black component. I am based my comments on observations, not on theory, as you can find in white liberals who live in areas where they never interact with their black neighbors, yet pass judgment upon those of us who do.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM

I seriously doubt Blacks will abandon Barry. Just as with Adam Clayton Powell, Charlie Rangel and Marion Berry; ‘he may be a crook, but he’s OUR crook’.

GarandFan on May 10, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Y’know, I got nothing to really back this up but I think people lie to pollsters. A lot.

JohnBrown on May 10, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Obama couldn’t give a rat’s patootie… he thinks he owns the black vote

But African-Americans are not exactly a monolithic block…
not THIS time.

In fact, history is going to say that the
black middle class was decimated by Obamanomics…

Ruinously Incompetent Obama Regime is
Black America’s Worst Enemy

Reaganite Republican on May 10, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Obama will be working on his presidential library next January.

Wow, Ed. What a great thought. Now let’s finish the joke:

“So what will he do in February?”

“So they’re now calling sports bars libraries?”

“So we’ll finally get to see everything he wrote at Harvard?”

“Will he be late to his own library’s dedication ceremony?”

“Will the Obama library contain more works authored by him, Ayers or Chavez?”

“Will the Obama library contain real books or composite books?”

So much material, untapped by everyone except Dennis Miller….

rwenger43 on May 10, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Besides religious reasons why are blacks so opposed to gay marriage? Has there be a poll/study/survey?

BJ* on May 10, 2012 at 10:08 AM

I believe it is a Black male dominance thing. The Dominant one (pitcher) is not seen, even by black women, as “homosexual” while the “catcher” is seen as lowered in status. The expression commonly among blacks for homosexual men is a man who is “on the down low”. Please note it is not a judgmental expression or considered a slur. However, blacks see Homosexuality normalization as counter-revolutionary and destructive to the black race.

For example: Homosexual rape of Whites is aggressively pursued. Most rape of White men is in prison by black males, more so now that prisons are not segregated: See :Here:

Eldridge Cleaver both wrote about this, though in terms of heterosexual rape. Their feelings on rape were expressed in terms of dominance, hatred and revolutionary defilement.

“I know that the black man’s sick attitude toward the white woman is a revolutionary sickness: it keeps him perpetually out of harmony with the system that is oppressing him. Many whites flatter themselves with the idea that the Negro male’s
lust and desire for the white dream girl is purely an esthetic attraction, but nothing could be further from the truth. His motivation is often of such a bloody, hateful, bitter, and malignant nature that whites would really
be hard pressed to find it flattering.”

Or here from “Fire and Ice”

“Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women…I felt I was getting revenge. From the site of the act of rape, consternation spread outwardly in concentric circles. I wanted to send waves of consternation throughout the white race.”

Bulletchaser on May 10, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Exactly why I’ve never wanted to vacation in HI. People are always shocked when I tell them I have zero desire to visit “paradise”. Those racist punks ain’t getting a dime from me. They can hate whitey all they want. This whitey ain’t playing their game.

mapper on May 10, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I’ve heard a bunch of horror stories from fans of teams visiting U. of Hawaii.

Fresno State fans in particular have talked about how much they hated playing there and how well-behaved the fans at LSU were in comparison… which is pretty funny considering the reputation that we LSU fans have for being rowdy and obnoxious.

teke184 on May 10, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Yes, Japanese internment is the equivalent of 4 hundred years of slavery and a 100 years of Jim Crow afterwards. That’s definitely an effective argument against my claim that black people are uniquely familiar with state surveillance and harassment. Well done

A++++++++

libfreeordie on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

lol! Can I have some of what you’re smoking? I wasn’t aware the United State had been in existence for 500 years.

I-

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Baton Rouge is getting them, too, though possibly not in the same numbers as NOLA or Laffy.

teke184 on May 10, 2012 at 11:26 AM

What’s so jarring to us here in Lafayette is the mass, sudden arrival.

South Louisiana, historically, has had a very slow rate of population turnover. The illegal invasion here is something the likes of which we’ve never seen. local leaders are so far behind the curve, that the issue is not even yet on the radar.

But you used to see every single road crew, contracting crew, and gardening crew, with a lot of black workers. There has been a HUGE replacement. Now, most of those black workers are out of a job.

Case in point – I went to the local crawfish shack – a big one with an automated crawfish sorter, to ask about a sack for later that evening.

They were closed, but I went around back where I saw some activity. I looked over the top of the machine and three Mexicans poked their heads up. Not one of them spoke English. I have never seen Mexicans sorting crawfish. That job has ALWAYS gone to young whites and blacks.

Most of our restaurant kitchens are filled with Mexicans now, too.

The turnover has been swift, and massive.

Illegals getting the jobs – and young Americans, white and black, out of work

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Texas can keep them.

teke184 on May 10, 2012 at 11:25 AM

We don’t want them. After Katrina hit and we had to absorb the people, the problems started. Crime shot up and there were more problems in schools. I couldn’t even go to a restaurant without being told a sob story and asked for a handout by someone claiming to be from N.O.

I still wish many of the ones still here in Dallas would go back where they came from as they are nothing but a drain on those that want to be in a nice place. We worked too hard for it to see it ruined by lazy people that feel entitled to the fruits of our labors.

Freed0m28 on May 10, 2012 at 11:38 AM

What’s really bothering me, down deep, is how my fellow Americans, the black one, especially, are losing their jobs, wholesale.

AND, I find that the vast majority of these Mexicans speak no, or almost no English. It would be one thing if there were some assimilation going on. But when most of them don’t speak English, where is this labor force coming from? Where is it living? This is a foreign invasion that, instead of taking prisoners or treasure, has been stripping JOBS from local Americans.

The situation is becoming absurd, and insane.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:38 AM

According to limo-Liberals, like Nora Ephron, Black homophobia is a non-issue. Blacks are victims of White racism, PERIOD! White men are haters, PERIOD!

ardenenoch on May 10, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Exactly why I’ve never wanted to vacation in HI. People are always shocked when I tell them I have zero desire to visit “paradise”. Those racist punks ain’t getting a dime from me. They can hate whitey all they want. This whitey ain’t playing their game.

mapper on May 10, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Well, everyone should visit there once in their life. The scenery, especially on the island of Kaua’i, is amazing.

BTW there’s all sorts of racism out there, and it’s not all directed at Whitey.

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2012 at 11:40 AM

The Mexican invasion is destroying the hopes and jobs and future of young blacks. This is criminal.

The piper is being paid…. mob attacks by young loitering blacks wouldn’t be happening if they had jobs.

Send the Mexicans back, to give young blacks a chance to build a future.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:41 AM

but 90% of blacks will still support obama in november

Pragmatic on May 10, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Of course but that .9 multiplier will be at far smaller number. Black turnout will be at normal or below normal in November.

jukin3 on May 10, 2012 at 11:41 AM

If the GOP had any sense, they would immunize themselves against the “illegal” race card by pointing out how illegal immigration raises black unemployment.

Campaign for closing the border, based upon a desire to allow young, out-of-work Americans compete for jobs.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Yes, Japanese internment is the equivalent of 4 hundred years of slavery and a 100 years of Jim Crow afterwards. That’s definitely an effective argument against my claim that black people are uniquely familiar with state surveillance and harassment. Well done

A++++++++

libfreeordie on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Pray remind me, dear boy/girl/both, who among Obama’s ancestor was on which end of the slaver’s whip?

Archivarix on May 10, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Awwwwwwwwww Shucks …
I guess I’m now officially a “bigot”.
King Barack the Growth Slayer has labelled me, and MOST of America, defective for believing in the sanctity of marriage. The Dem proponents of DOMA have some ‘splainin’ ta do I guess.
The pResident of the United States now suckles the hind teat.
It’s too bad that the GOP has such a seriously flawed candidate.
(sigh)
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on May 10, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I do feel for the Mexicans. Their country is in strife, abetted by Holder and Co. They are the modern-day equivalent of “The Grapes of Wrath” – moving from place to place like homeless starlings. The whole situation is immoral, and deeply sad.

Here we are in Afghanistan, when we honestly are approaching the point of needing to actually invade Mexico to clean it up.

I am not being hyperbolic. We are almost at the point of needing to send the Army across the border and straight it out. America is not safe from terrorism when its neighbor on an unenforced land border is in blood and chaos.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:47 AM

And I think that if we invaded the Mexico, not only would the people – sick of the drug violence – support us, but also they would point out and help us kill and arrest the cartel members.

Mexicans are a good-hearted people, at root.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:49 AM

After volunteering in the inner city and seeing what dem policies have done, it saddens those of us that want more for our brothers and our sisters. They have bought into the lies and can not see their way out. The facts (abortion, unemployment, welfare) that have been listed on the posts on this story should be enough to drive blacks away in droves but. I read this morning that black preachers will separate the gay marriage votes from obama. They will vote on him separate of the issues that cause so much pain and the death of their families. Sad………..

crosshugger on May 10, 2012 at 11:50 AM

And I think that if we invaded the Mexico, not only would the people – sick of the drug violence – support us, but also they would point out and help us kill and arrest the cartel members.

Mexicans are a good-hearted people, at root.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:49 AM

I’d hope that happens, but I have a feeling the Aztlan idiots would be out in full force over it.

teke184 on May 10, 2012 at 11:50 AM

I am not being hyperbolic. We are almost at the point of needing to send the Army across the border and straight it out. America is not safe from terrorism when its neighbor on an unenforced land border is in blood and chaos.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:47 AM

No need to invade deep. Go in for 2-3 miles, build a huge concrete fence, electrify it, create a 500-man unit to guard it. Give option of American citizenship to every Mexican who can prove the residence on Mexican soil inside the wall back for five years. Let the so-called “international community” howl in their impotent rage for a year or two. Problem solved.

Archivarix on May 10, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Send the Mexicans back, to give young blacks a chance to build a future.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:41 AM

I have a buddy that has been living in NO since just after Katrina, transferred in for work reasons. Being from Houston he quickly noticed how Mexican free NO was until the laborers started pouring in. And they brought taco wagons with them! It started as mostly males but now they have families that are filling the churches and schools and opening Mexican restaurants all over the place.

And he too is hearing how mad the local blacks are about it.

DanMan on May 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Most blacks will vote for obma no matter what. This is why the republican party won’t nor shouldn’t pander to get the black vote.
We are all in the same pond/lake, but we are in different boats. Those that want to advance and make more money are rowing like hell. We are forced by the Gov to tow those that don’t want to advance. I can understand why they don’t want to leave their boat and move to the other. Why should they? They are happy because they are moving along with little to no effort. If they aren’t happy it’s not their fault the government has told them that it isn’t their fault, it’s the fault of the lead boat because they aren’t rowing fast enough.
For the most part don’t expect them to change one iota.

ColdWarrior57 on May 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Sorry if it’s been mentioned -

Has anyone seen the picture circulating in the social media showing that the most educated counties where the universities are voted against? They’re arguing that only lesser-educated groups populations are opposed to the legal recognition of gay marriage.

It’s flagrant racism and the lefties are too ignorant to realize it.

Transpo on May 10, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 11:17 AM

I should have added that several said they won’t vote for him again.
Did NOT say they’d go GOP, tho … Just weren’t asked.

pambi on May 10, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I will testify that Kauai is beautiful. One near mayhap I had was swimming at a beach I think they call Tunnels. Clear water, pretty fish and lots of coral. I swam out in one of those coral tunnels and messed around and couldn’t figure out where to get back in. So I’m swimming along a shear wall of coral that is who knows how deep on one side and just below the waves on the other. And it’s got razor sharp edges.

And then it dawned on me. I must look like a tasty morsel to the right creature looking up as I swam along that wall of coral. Definitely lost my beer buzz with that diversion.

DanMan on May 10, 2012 at 12:04 PM

What I don’t understand is I keep hearing people on the left like Beckel and Juan saying the majority of the people are for gay marriage, but in 30+ states it has been overwhelmingly voted down. Seems to be a disconnect there.

silvernana on May 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Over here, oh yesiree. Massive displacement of black workers. Massive.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:22 AM

That is true in New Orleans too. The blacks that were actually working, anyway. The 9th ward didn’t have many of those. But as I saw it played out, the usual race-based organizations were indeed mad that another race would come in and usurp their monopolies.

But you know what. I couldn’t tell you which hispanics in the Home Depot parking lot were legal and which were not but they all worked very hard. They became entrepreneurs and brought in taco trucks until the race-based organizations complained that they were not licensed to sell food from a truck. So they ditched the trucks and opened restaurants. In short, I saw the opportunity of the American dream being played out in ways the welfare/dependent culture of the “native” New Orleans population never showed.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 12:08 PM

And he too is hearing how mad the local blacks are about it.

DanMan on May 10, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Yeah because the Hispanics are actually working. And I’m not talking about just the black population but working class whites too. I’ve lived in New Orleans twice. The first time was back in the 1990s. The second time was from five months after Katrina. As the Hispanics came for the construction work, they brought with them a work ethic that simply wasn’t part of the pre-Katrina culture.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 12:11 PM

I’m still laughing that so many WV Democrats think an incarcerated felon is a better choice than Barry Soetero.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM

We’ve all heard people say they’d vote for a ham sandwich over Obama, but who ever thought a convicted felon would get 40% of the vote. A ham sandwich might actually have a chance.

silvernana on May 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM

An important issue for the black community is vouchers. Parents want desperately to get their kids out of the disastrous public schools. Look at the uproar in DC when they voted away the voucher system. I think the first Republican presidential candidate who comes out strong on this issue would be able to siphon off a percentage of their votes.

Rose on May 10, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Here’s a gross video which shows the electoral problem Obama will have with Blacks over Gay marriage. It’s disgustingly gross, so don’t watch it if you don’t want to. It is the infamous “eat da poo poo” video, and yea I know it was filmed in Uganda and not America, but the sentiment towards homosexuality is the same in many Black communities here.

OxyCon on May 10, 2012 at 12:30 PM

The liberals can’t blame NC passing the gay marriage ban on Mormons. In fact, they can’t blame Prop 8 on Mormons either. Blacks overwhelmingly have come out against gay marriage every time it comes up for a vote.

Conservative Samizdat on May 10, 2012 at 12:37 PM

But you know what. I couldn’t tell you which hispanics in the Home Depot parking lot were legal and which were not but they all worked very hard. They became entrepreneurs and brought in taco trucks until the race-based organizations complained that they were not licensed to sell food from a truck. So they ditched the trucks and opened restaurants. In short, I saw the opportunity of the American dream being played out in ways the welfare/dependent culture of the “native” New Orleans population never showed.

Happy Nomad on May 10, 2012 at 12:08 PM

You are correct.

But what do we do about our young black citizen population? We can’t exactly exile them… are they supposed to live their entire lives without a job? That’s the utter immorality of illegal immigration – it is stealing the last shreds of the American Dream from generations of black kids.

Black kids cause so much trouble today – but they are our fellow countrymen, and we need to figure out this mess and help straighten them out, so that they can enjoy the fruits of their labor and get ahead in life.

I would start by banning illegal immigration and thug music and clothing, and then go from there.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 12:59 PM

There is this growing confidence within the Dems, and obviously within Obama, that he is untouchable and can’t possibly lose. The tantrums and looks of disbelief on the faces of liberals will be priceless when ‘the One’ loses in November. I can only hope we get to see Obama kicking & screaming and refusing to leave the White House in January.

HoosierStateofMind on May 10, 2012 at 1:05 PM

What I don’t understand is I keep hearing people on the left like Beckel and Juan saying the majority of the people are for gay marriage, but in 30+ states it has been overwhelmingly voted down. Seems to be a disconnect there.

silvernana on May 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM

“I don’t know anyone who voted for Ronald Reagan….”

-Progressive media hack, 1980

98ZJUSMC on May 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM

VICTORY FOR BIGOTRY!!!

Bigotry? For being against “gay marriage”? Wouldn’t we just be ‘haters’? I’ve got to get this straightened out.

Squiggy on May 10, 2012 at 1:14 PM

What I don’t understand is I keep hearing people on the left like Beckel and Juan saying the majority of the people are for gay marriage, but in 30+ states it has been overwhelmingly voted down. Seems to be a disconnect there.

silvernana on May 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM

In their circle of friends, yes, the majority of people are for gay marriage. In the rest of the country, we’re just indifferent to the topic or tired of talking about it already. We still feel marriage should be one-man and one-woman, as God intended, but for the love of Pete, we’re just plain tired of fighting the media, the courts, political correctness, and even our own churches over the issue. I applaud North Carolina and other states that are actually making one-man and one-woman marriage a part of their constitution.

HoosierStateofMind on May 10, 2012 at 1:22 PM

I’m sure I am asking something someone else has asked, I haven’t read the comments yet. If Obama had planned to do this anyway why not come out with the stunning revelation before the N.C. vote? His approval might have made a difference. Cause he’s cool, don’t ya know!

Cindy Munford on May 10, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Virtually no one has asked why Republicans put Amendment 1 on the primary ballot instead of holding the referendum in November. Let’s connect those dots! They doubtless knew it would draw out black voters, and when Obama only won NC by a margin of 14,000, they could be a pivotal demographic 6 months from now.

The timing of Obama’s announcement is the flip side of that political coin. He couldn’t possibly come out in favor of gay marriage before primary election day, because it would turn a vote for Amendment 1 into a de facto black vote against Obama. Jumpstarting the Republican spin machine wouldn’t be the worst of it, either. Imagine the potential psychological effect of that association on black constituents, who would find themselves essentially, fundamentally, rejecting a black Democratic President. They won’t be voting for Romney, but Amendment 1 was a twofer for Republicans, in any case, because regenerating the enthusiasm for Obama of 2008 just got harder in NC.

Contra Ed, however, the data here won’t derail the bigotry narrative any more than it did after the California vote. Just like the overwhelming national rejection of amnesty for illegal aliens didn’t even begin put a damper on the charge of racist, anti-immigrant bigotry. The beat of counterfactuals goes on and on.

JM Hanes on May 10, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Doesn’t matter at all. If Obama proposed bringing back slavery he’d still get 85% of the black vote simply because of the color of his skin.

Spliff Menendez on May 10, 2012 at 1:54 PM

AND, I find that the vast majority of these Mexicans speak no, or almost no English. It would be one thing if there were some assimilation going on. … This is a foreign invasion that, instead of taking prisoners or treasure, has been stripping JOBS from local Americans.

The situation is becoming absurd, and insane.

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Just an observation, but it seems that the invasion is assimilating our culture! Never occured to me until I read your words.

Demoralizing.

freedomfirst on May 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Our manufacturing jobs have been sent to China and Mexico.

Our service jobs are being taken by Mexicans who have illegally entered the country, with the complicity of the federal government.

At what point do we have 99% unemployment among American citizens?

And at what point does the populace finally revolt against the theft of its livelihoods?

cane_loader on May 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM

but 90% of blacks will still support obama in november
Pragmatic on May 10, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Racists are no more likely to change their minds than Obama is likely to change his skin color between now and November.

Elections are decided by turnout. Only one or two percent of all voters don’t know who they will vote for yet. They are completely irrelevant compared to the TEN TIMES LARGER chunk of the electorate who don’t vote in an average year.

And Obama is systematically screwing over one group of his base every time he tries to gin up another faction. He’s betting he can squeeze this issue for contributions now, and the media will have it completely buried long before November. And that’s a pretty safe bet.

logis on May 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM

I’m just wondering when Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Calypso Louie will endorse gay marriage. It’s kind of bigoted for them not to come out and endorse it outright, don’t you think?

oldroy on May 10, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Just out – The DNC is ‘rethinking’ the convention in NC – yes Obama got a two-fer last night: 1) shore up the fringe base (and get the 1 in 6 gay bundlers, bundling again) and 2) ‘provide’ the reason for the DNC to move the convention to a more hospitable locale . . .
wait for it . . .

Yes you guessed it – Chicago.

This guy is becoming more sleazy than the Chicago Machine that he learned from every day.

jackal40 on May 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Except that he made a mistake, s/b Prop 8, Krauthammer put it well.

Schadenfreude on May 10, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Black voters in NC supported Amendment One by 2-1 margin

Bwahahahahaha!

farsighted on May 10, 2012 at 3:25 PM

FYI:
…In each of the 32 states where voters have been permitted to express their views, “marriage” has been certified as a union between a man and a woman, period, by an overwhelming majority of voters! (and that includes california !!!!)
…In several of these states, corrupt, activist, leftist judges have trashed and rejected the will of the people on marriage and substituted their own personal sexual preference instead. (The most obscene such case is in california, naturally)
…The ONLY states that legally support non-traditional marriage are those controlled by the d-cRAT socialists. These states have imposed the leftist marriage ideology by legislative fiat and have prohibited citizens from directly voting on this issue. (A recent example of this is Maryland)

TeaPartyNation on May 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM

There can finally be no doubt about Obama’s preferred homosexual position!

easyt65 on May 10, 2012 at 10:06 AM

..er, would that be BENDING FORWARD?

The War Planner on May 10, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Too bad that most blacks will once again ignore obama’s positions and vote solely based on skin color in November.

Pork-Chop on May 10, 2012 at 3:47 PM

..er, would that be BENDING FORWARD?

The War Planner on May 10, 2012 at 3:45 PM

angryED jumped the shark on the WaPo Romney thread..:)

PS..Check out the 2:15pm comment..:(

Dire Straits on May 10, 2012 at 4:07 PM

It’s very easy not to go vote, just do what you do on a regular day.

While blacks/hispanics who show up to vote may still vote for 0bama in the same percentage, if a substantial portion decide not to bother – the result will be catastrophe, and not just for president puppy-muncher, but every democrat down ticket.

And why should they make time in their busy day, to vote for someone who just spit in their faces over same sex marriage?

Rebar on May 10, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Blacks may not vote for him. It will be difficult to tell right away because the ones that show up will vote for him. Many will stay home. And while they are there, maybe they will reflect for a moment why they are still jobless, undeducated, living in the hood, and still living on government handouts.

BetseyRoss on May 10, 2012 at 11:06 AM

I’m Black and I’m not any of those things. But your right, attitudes like yours is why I could never vote Republican.

With that being said, I fail to see pollsters mention the age of the people who actually vote in all these non-presidential races. Im guessing it’s mostly people over the age of 40-50 who also happen to be the ones with the most resistance to things like gay marriage. The honest truth is that people 18-35 for the most part really dont care and I think the polls prove that.

Politricks on May 10, 2012 at 6:25 PM

I’m Black and I’m not any of those things. But your right, attitudes like yours is why I could never vote Republican.

Politricks on May 10, 2012 at 6:25 PM

What attitude?

The republicans are the only party that wants to fix the economy, bad schools, and the rest. The democrats have perpetuated those problems for decades – why would you choose the status quo when the alternative is so much better?

Rebar on May 10, 2012 at 6:34 PM

I’m Black and I’m not any of those things. But your right, attitudes like yours is why I could never vote Republican.

With that being said, I fail to see pollsters mention the age of the people who actually vote in all these non-presidential races. Im guessing it’s mostly people over the age of 40-50 who also happen to be the ones with the most resistance to things like gay marriage. The honest truth is that people 18-35 for the most part really dont care and I think the polls prove that.

Politricks on May 10, 2012 at 6:25 PM

What was wrong with what she said? Oblunder got what 90% of the black vote ? Why just because of the color of his skin. ( I believe that MLK wouldnt have agreed with that)
So you wouldnt ever vote republican why because they aren’t kissing your *ss? The democrats have most of the blacks on the plantation still. the Gov has spent billions and how far have most blacks advanced? its attitudes like yours that is the problem.
http://www.runawayslavemovie.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67&Itemid=426

great video!

ColdWarrior57 on May 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

What attitude?

Rebar on May 10, 2012 at 6:34 PM

“And while they are there, maybe they will reflect for a moment why they are still jobless, undeducated, living in the hood, and still living on government handouts”

Im not jobless, uneducated, living in the hood or living on Government handouts. I would venture to say MOST Blacks arent any of those things.So lay off the broad brush strokes. Its offensive. I get up and work 40-60 hours a week and pay my taxes like the rest of middle class America
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What was wrong with what she said? Oblunder got what 90% of the black vote ? Why just because of the color of his skin. ( I believe that MLK wouldnt have agreed with that)

ColdWarrior57 on May 10, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Bill Clinton also got 90% of the Black vote. John Kerry got 88% Jesse Jackson won 80%.

So if it was simply a race issue then why did Bill Clinton get just as much and then Jackson (Black Man) get less then Kerry?

Your math doesnt add up.

Politricks on May 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM

The republicans are the only party that wants to fix the economy, bad schools, and the rest. The democrats have perpetuated those problems for decades – why would you choose the status quo when the alternative is so much better?

Rebar on May 10, 2012 at 6:34 PM

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So what happened to those things during the 4 years of the Bush Presidency? How about those same things during the 8 years of Bush Jr’s presidency?

Was our economy “fixed” by either of those Republican Presidents? How about our school systems?

This is a rhetorical question, we both already know the answer.

Politricks on May 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Yes, Japanese internment is the equivalent of 4 hundred years of slavery and a 100 years of Jim Crow afterwards. That’s definitely an effective argument against my claim that black people are uniquely familiar with state surveillance and harassment. Well done

A++++++++

libfreeordie on May 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM

400 years of slavery? Really?

Let’s see, emancipation was in 1863. 400 years before that was 1463. … and Columbus sailed in 1492. Now, slavery has been around since time immemorial; however, from your context, you are referring to slavery in the USA. Your narrative begins about 300 years before the US was even founded.

Want to try that again Ace?

AZfederalist on May 10, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Bill Clinton also got 90% of the Black vote. John Kerry got 88% Jesse Jackson won 80%.

So if it was simply a race issue then why did Bill Clinton get just as much and then Jackson (Black Man) get less then Kerry?

Your math doesnt add up.

Politricks on May 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM

You’re mixing apples and oranges. jackson was never the nominee for the democratic party.
so its not my math doesn’t add up, its that you dont know your facts.

ColdWarrior57 on May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

You’re mixing apples and oranges. jackson was never the nominee for the democratic party.
so its not my math doesn’t add up, its that you dont know your facts.

ColdWarrior57 on May 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Okay, take Jackson out of it. Two White men got the same or just about the same percentage of the Black vote as Obama got. So if those Blacks were only voting for Obama because he was was Black, why did the same percentage of them vote for White men?

Again, your arguement makes no sense.

You’d be better off saying that Blacks vote for the Democratic nominee no matter his color but yet you said Blacks voted for Obama because he was Black and that just doesnt work out mathamatically.

Politricks on May 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM

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