Obama to finally back gay marriage today?

posted at 12:54 pm on May 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

An interview with ABC has been hastily arranged and The One’s senior advisors are suddenly dropping hints to reporters that his “evolution” might at last be complete. In particular, this wink-wink tweet from GQ/Atlantic journo Marc Ambinder sounds like more than idle speculation about what’ll happen with ABC today:

So do I think President Obama will endorse same-sex marriage today? Yes. Yes I do.

Then there’s this:

The White House, in an email update, says @PressSec won’t have a briefing today. Hmm.

Thanks to Biden’s “Meet the Press” comments, I think O’s now caught between irritating his base and irritating swing-state voters. Check out this lefty petition to move the Democratic national convention out of Charlotte in protest of the North Carolina marriage amendment passing last night. Or read this withering Onion goof on Obama’s endless embarrassing equivocation on gay marriage. Jon Stewart hit him on that last night too. That is to say, among liberals, Obama’s position has literally become a punchline. And no wonder: Turns out the leader of the party, who has to face a purple national electorate, is conveniently the only member of the liberal intelligentsia left who still claims to oppose gay marriage.

The more attention his cynical dithering on SSM gets, the bigger his headache in turning out his base and keeping the donations flowing. But of course, the bolder he is in endorsing gay marriage, the bigger his headache with a whole bunch of swing states that have voted to ban SSM. What’s an opportunistic incumbent to do? Looks like his strategy now is simply to get it over with ASAP and then let people forget about it over the next six months. Some key constituencies, like young voters, will cheer. Others, like black voters, might not be thrilled but given their overwhelming support for O the risk that he’ll lose many votes because of this is minimal. Meanwhile, Romney’s unlikely to make it an issue since it’d throw him off his core economic message. (See, e.g., Haley Barbour insisting yesterday that the gay-marriage chatter lately is a Democratic distraction.) Why would Team Mitt roll the dice on a “values” campaign in swing states when they’ve got a much more effective “are you better off than you were four years ago?” message ready to go?

The other consideration for O is that, thanks to media coverage this week, it’s no longer an open secret that he supports gay marriage. It’s not a secret at all: The press corps literally laughs at Carney when he denies it and, as noted, entertainers who are otherwise on his side are starting to make noise. If the media’s going to spend six months telling voters that Obama really does support gay marriage, his protestations to the contrary, then he might as well own up. Otherwise he gets the worst of both worlds, with swing voters convinced that he’s secretly in favor and his base depressed that he’s still trying to keep it secret. By coming clean now, he shows that he kinda sorta has the courage of his convictions — after 16 years of “evolution.”

Update: Lefty Michael Tomasky says this might be O’s best play politically now but it’s bad for the cause of forming bipartisan consensus on gay marriage in the longer term:

There are lots of conservatives in the establishment who support gay marriage–the David Brookses and Ted Olsons, my colleague David Frum, so many others. If Obama appears to those folks to be using support for same-sex marriage as an electoral ploy to help him defeat a candidate all of those people are (presumably) voting for, then they won’t applaud his decision. Politics will be in the way.

But if he does it post-election, next year sometime (this assumes that he wins, which is the risk), all these people will embrace the move, and same-sex marriage will enjoy broad bipartisan support among the intelligentsia.

I know that many of you are going to write, “who cares what David Brooks thinks?”, but you should care for two reasons. First of all, I mean Brooks and the other two I name above as stand-ins for dozens of Republicans and conservatives who wouldn’t be fighting him–and who would be opposing their own people in Congress. Second, when America looks and sees that there is genuine bipartisan support for something, people will be more likely to get behind the program.

No one thinks Obama’s endorsement of gay marriage is an electoral ploy, though. By universal acclaim, it’s his sincerely held belief. The electoral ploy was pretending that he was still “evolving” so as not to alienate working-class voters. And I’d be surprised if anyone he mentions fails to applaud Obama for this, the politics of it notwithstanding. In fact, it’ll be even stronger proof — since the applause will be coming in the middle of a bitter campaign — that there is in fact some support among Republicans for O’s position.


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At least 0bama is finally taking public stands, that cant be taken back.

So, let’s tick off some of them:

Pro: Gay marriage

Anti: The Catholic Church

Pro: Negotiating with the Taliban

Anti: Defending Eastern Europe against Russian aggression

Pro: Releasing terrorists to get another free shot at American soldiers

Anti: Allowing Canadian oil to be shipped efficiently to Texas, to be processed and sold (putting it on trains is incredibly inefficient).

Pro: Mob persecution of “white” Americans

Anti: The coal industry

Pro: Suing states that try to enforce the laws on the books

Anti: Enforcement of illegal immigration laws

Pro: Providing machine guns to Mexican drug cartels

Anti: Allowing Americans to drill in the Gulf

Pro: Unconstitutional wars that bypass Congress

Anti: Passage of a yearly federal budget

Pro: Judicial activism

Anti: Independence of the Supreme Court

Pro: Muslim Brotherhood

Anti: Chinese dissidents

Feel free to continue, I’m sure Ive missed a few!

cane_loader on May 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Please Barry, go on MTV and give your hour-long documentary on same-sex marriage. Do it before “Teen Mom” and the transformation will be complete.

Please, hold your applause!

jjnco73 on May 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM

There’s a pre-op in that household but I’m not sure it is Barry.

teke184 on May 9, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Michelle doesn’t need surgery to be a formidable male. Just a little more time in the weight room will do it..

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

There’s a pre-op in that household but I’m not sure it is Barry.

teke184 on May 9, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Michelle doesn’t need surgery to be a formidable male. Just a little more time in the weight room will do it..

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

She looks like Michael Dorn in drag.

teke184 on May 9, 2012 at 2:46 PM

The first Gay Black President. Obama continues being unprecedented. Maybe in a second term he’ll get a sex-change too!

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM

What, he’s going to get a pair of balls?

Trafalgar on May 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM

She looks like Michael Dorn in drag.

teke184 on May 9, 2012 at 2:46 PM

I always like Michael Dorn’s portrayal of the character Worf. If Dorn shows up at the Obamas dressed as Worf, Barack might mistake Worf for Woof and try to eat him.

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Seems they’ve been trying to arrive at a fully evolved decision on this through their campaign website. Screenshot?: http://bit.ly/Jtd4Xm

BKeyser on May 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM

What, he’s going to get a pair of balls?

Trafalgar on May 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM

He’ll put Hillary on the ticket if he can use hers for the next four years.

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM

It has been an hour of “five more minuteses” until the Circusmaster comes out of the closet.

The press ought to pack up their cameras and microphones and leave, let the eunuch talk to an empty room.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 2:55 PM

This is his only option now. Please do it, Mr. President! A sitting POTUS in favor of gay marriage? FORWARD!

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

I like that in a leader. Lie about his beliefs until he has no other option but to tell the truth.

Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Maybe it’s just me, but this “evolving” meme all over the news today makes 0bama look sooo bad….

Like he’s just making it up to say whatever. And I think the average Joe watching it will feel the same way.

Folks, I’m starting to feel like we’re watching the incipient stages of implosion.

0bama may have finally jumped the shark.

cane_loader on May 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM

five more minuteses minutes

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM

This announcement today may be 0bama’s Fonzie’s actual liftoff from the ocean.

My Spidey sense is tingling again.

cane_loader on May 9, 2012 at 2:57 PM

This is his only option now. Please do it, Mr. President! A sitting POTUS POT (like in flower) in favor of gay marriage? FORWARD!

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Lean

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I may be wrong, but I have the impression that black people aren’t crazy about gay marriage. (Or Latinos.)

Am I wrong about that? Not sure this would be enough to turn them off to him, though.

Alana on May 9, 2012 at 2:57 PM

OBAMA: “…Well, what I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman, but what I also believe is that we have an obligation to make sure that gays and lesbians have the rights of citizenship that afford them visitations to hospitals, that allow them to be, to transfer property between partners, to make certain that they’re not discriminated on the job. I think that bundle of rights are absolutely critical.”

Q: “Excuse me, but as far as, why? What in your religious faith calls you to be against gay marriage?”

OBAMA: “Well, what I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting. But that doesn’t mean that that necessarily translates into a position on public policy or with respect to civil unions

U.S. Senate candidate Obama in an interview with WTTW Chicago public television in 2004.

Fallon on May 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Alana on May 9, 2012 at 2:57 PM

You left out Muslims.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Where, Allahpundit, is the gimme thread on how 0bama beat the felon by the same margin as Mourdock beat Lugar?

Is that red meat or what?!?!

cane_loader on May 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM

“Pink smoke coming from the White House.” ~ Rush Limbaugh

Fallon on May 9, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Seems they’ve been trying to arrive at a fully evolved decision on this through their campaign website. Screenshot?: http://bit.ly/Jtd4Xm

BKeyser on May 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM

It’s a trap scam! They’re asking for donations. The idea seems to be the more you give, the more you might be able to influence Obama. Imagine that, naked capitalism, Obama selling his vote.

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 3:02 PM

I may be wrong, but I have the impression that black people aren’t crazy about gay marriage. (Or Latinos.)

Am I wrong about that? Not sure this would be enough to turn them off to him, though.

Alana on May 9, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I don’t think black people would change their votes because of it, but I know lots of Latinos who are sick and tired of the guy, so I’d hope we could use that to make it easier to peel off 40%.

El_Terrible on May 9, 2012 at 3:02 PM

“Shep, that’s it, unless breaking news changes everything” and

“the president to take a stand” – again “stand” – Shep is all excited…”taking a position”…

The puns are writing themselves.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM

five more minuteses minutes

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM

I thought it was a Gollum thing

OneFreeMan on May 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Chris Matthews “basically” just called us all bigoted. The SOB.

rubberneck on May 9, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Shep Smith wishes he were someone else…

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:06 PM

cane_loader on May 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Good job!

Pro: Voter intimidation

Anti: Voter ID laws

4Grace on May 9, 2012 at 3:06 PM

“Pink smoke coming from the White House.” ~ Rush Limbaugh

Fallon on May 9, 2012 at 3:01 PM

lolz..I heard that!..:)

Dire Straits on May 9, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Pro: Latinos

Anti: White Hispanics

OneFreeMan on May 9, 2012 at 3:08 PM

0bama is whistling his way through it. Sure is irritating.

Ends up being what he is: A Punk, Voting Present.

LegendHasIt on May 9, 2012 at 3:08 PM

You left out Muslims.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Oh yeah.

Alana on May 9, 2012 at 3:08 PM

So Obama “for me personally” supports gay marriage?

Should we be expecting an announcement sometime soon? Wouldn’t he have to divorce Michelle first, or is he just going to follow his Kenyan father’s example and marry multiple partners, without worrying about those pesky legalities?

AZCoyote on May 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM

I expect Obama will say he believes in traditional marriage, as a personal matter, but he is not against same-sex marriage. As president he will not advance the cause, letting the current processes (re: court challenges) play out.

AverageJoe on May 9, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Good job, man. Nailed it for real.

Dark Star on May 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Welcome to the 21st century, Mr. President….any President. It’s about time.

stingray9813 on May 9, 2012 at 3:11 PM

It’s official .. pink smoke’s rising from the WH.
He affirms his support of gay marriage.
POPCORN !! MORE POPCORN !!

pambi on May 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM

32 states voted to ban same sex marriage – the fun has just begun.

Biden blew it for the One.

They could have waited until after, and not many gays would have voted against them.

Muslims???
Non-white-Hispanics?
White demo rubes?

Still, to observe Mitt’s pretzeling now will be schadenfreudig.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM

NBC is reporting Obama’s backing same sex marriage, but supports states voting on it. And they also report … he invoked his daughters Sasha and Malia in his comments. Doesn’t he ever stop with it being all about him?

Paul-Cincy on May 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM

So Obama picked today to announce his support for gay marriage.

It must of been his big night at the polls yesterday that prompted him to do it today… Oh Wait!!

Dasher on May 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM

It’s official .. pink smoke’s rising from the WH.
He affirms his support of gay marriage.
POPCORN !! MORE POPCORN !!

pambi on May 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM

“Will I still get my lobsters?” — Michelle

Jobs, economy, jobs, economy

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I and millions of Americans are proud of the President today. Even the GOP criticism is muted, they realize that their fear mongering on the issue is on its way out.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I and millions of Americans are proud of the President today.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

You’re always proud of him. He had you at “Hello”.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM

So with his support of gay marriage now public, will he now have a coming out party?

Dasher on May 9, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Wouldn’t he have to divorce Michelle first, or is he just going to follow his Kenyan father’s example and marry multiple partners, without worrying about those pesky legalities?
AZCoyote on May 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM

That just ain’t going to happen. She isn’t going to give up the Endless Lobster Buffet and monthly exotic vacations… Nor is she going to share with anyone else, male or transgender.

Maybe she will dump HIM when the gravy train ends.

LegendHasIt on May 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM

I and millions of Americans are proud of the President today. Even the GOP criticism is muted, they realize that their fear mongering on the issue is on its way out.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

You total idiot! Gay marriage lost at the polls yesterday.

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 3:17 PM

4 more years of having Joe Biden one heartbeat away from the Presidency should be enough for people to vote for Romney/whoever.

Wagthatdog on May 9, 2012 at 3:17 PM

I and millions of Americans are proud of the President today. Even the GOP criticism is muted, they realize that their fear mongering on the issue is on its way out.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Oh just go play on the freeway…

sandee on May 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Countdown to the humpbot 3, 2, 1

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I and millions of Americans are proud of the President today. Even the GOP criticism is muted, they realize that their fear mongering on the issue is on its way out.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

You weren’t yesterday?

Wagthatdog on May 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Personally, I’m STILL NOT proud of my president.
Yawn.

pambi on May 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

There’s a pre-op in that household but I’m not sure it is Barry.

teke184 on May 9, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Do you think Michelle looks like a tranny too? I do.

Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

I feel the same about the Pretender in Chief.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

You total idiot! Gay marriage lost at the polls yesterday.

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 3:17 PM

It’s lost at the polls in 32 out of 32 states that have voted on it.

Trafalgar on May 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

If the media’s going to spend six months telling voters that Obama really does support gay marriage, his protestations to the contrary, then he might as well own up.

Come out of the closet, Barry.

ITguy on May 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

At least he’s being honest for once… How will this play in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Pennsylvania????:D

El_Terrible on May 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I am a Republican and dislike much of what the President has done to this country, but I must say, it’s about damn time.

The President will now go down in the history books as the first US President to openly support gay marriage — he will be on the right side of history. Well done, Mr. President.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 3:21 PM

It’s lost at the polls in 32 out of 32 states that have voted on it.

Trafalgar on May 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Plus, in NJ the gov. vetoed the legislature’s passing.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Well, he’s doing it. I am surprised.

McDuck on May 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM

All of this talk of Obama and evolving makes me wonder if he might be a high-level Pokemon. #shamelesslystolen

Zekecorlain on May 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM

No surprise . . . he’ll do whatever his left wing groupies want him to do.

rplat on May 9, 2012 at 3:29 PM

I think it’s hilarious that he now says he supports it.

Let’s see.. pander to less than 1% of the voting population in hopes to gain enthusiasm for his reelection… Or, take a gamble that the 50% of the country that are against same-sex marriage forgets about this by November.

I think that gamble shows just how desperate he is in his bid to get reelected.

ButterflyDragon on May 9, 2012 at 3:30 PM

cane_loader on May 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Pro new sharia law signed by Karzai and the Taliban

Against prosecutions of the 1%rs from Wall Street – 20% down since Holder is from there, and wants to go back here, if he ever leaves, outside of prison.

Against the advancement of women and minorities, keeping them uneducated and in the modern day plantations, for votes only

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Plus, in NJ the gov. vetoed the legislature’s passing.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM

And it’ll be on the ballot in Maryland in November. 33/33?

Trafalgar on May 9, 2012 at 3:31 PM

One can only assume that Obama wanted to nail down the gay vote; the 1 percent.

Dasher on May 9, 2012 at 3:33 PM

This is idiotic. Obama doesn’t support rights for polygamists to marry…but why not? What’s different about them as opposed to gays?

Eventually, every new subcategory of people will demand marriage “rights” and they will eventually get them, because the argument is inherently a slippery slope argument. And, as they do, there will be NO stipulations on who can get married, and if there are zero rules as to who can join the club, why join at all? It no longer makes any sense to join a club whose membership holds no real value.

Liberal policies in the middle of the 20th century started to destroy marriage…we’re now continuing that tradition in 2012 by eroding it even further. Soon, marriage will be a thing of the past, and our society is doomed, even if most of us don’t realize it.

TheBlueSite on May 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Isn’t it funny how the left believes that this announcement means it’s a fait d’accompli ??
No one is so blind as he who WILL not see.

pambi on May 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

You total idiot! Gay marriage lost at the polls yesterday.

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 3:17 PM

There is no civil right advancement that could ever have one at the ballot. I’m not sure why you all act like ballot measures are the ultimate expression in our liberal republic. If its just mob rule why do we even have three branchces of governemnt?

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

And it’ll be on the ballot in Maryland in November. 33/33?

Trafalgar on May 9, 2012 at 3:31 PM

And Minnesota and Maine. The latter might be for it.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

At least 0bama is finally taking public stands, that cant be taken back.

So, let’s tick off some of them:

Pro: Gay marriage

Anti: The Catholic Church

Pro: Negotiating with the Taliban

Anti: Defending Eastern Europe against Russian aggression

Pro: Releasing terrorists to get another free shot at American soldiers

Anti: Allowing Canadian oil to be shipped efficiently to Texas, to be processed and sold (putting it on trains is incredibly inefficient).

Pro: Mob persecution of “white” Americans

Anti: The coal industry

Pro: Suing states that try to enforce the laws on the books

Anti: Enforcement of illegal immigration laws

Pro: Providing machine guns to Mexican drug cartels

Anti: Allowing Americans to drill in the Gulf

Pro: Unconstitutional wars that bypass Congress

Anti: Passage of a yearly federal budget

Pro: Judicial activism

Anti: Independence of the Supreme Court

Pro: Muslim Brotherhood

Anti: Chinese dissidents

Feel free to continue, I’m sure Ive missed a few!

cane_loader on May 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Prime material for a campaign ad.

The Rogue Tomato on May 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Mob rule ! BUUWAHAHAHAHA
It’s called following the rules.

pambi on May 9, 2012 at 3:38 PM

I was just reminded on Twitter that Obama’s “it’s my personal position, but I’m for states deciding the issue on their own” is exactly the same as Dick Cheney’s. But that won’t deter the Obama Brain Dead Left for declaring this the greatest, most gutsy stance EVAH!!!!!

Dark Star on May 9, 2012 at 3:38 PM

There are lots of conservatives in the establishment who support gay marriage–the David Brookses and Ted Olson
s, my colleague David Frum, so many others.

LMAO

If Brooks and Frum are “conservatives”; the word has no meaning whatsoever.

Norwegian on May 9, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Pro: Reggie
Anti: Michelle

Pro: Great Dane
Anti: Hairless Mexican

2lbsTest on May 9, 2012 at 3:39 PM

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

What a fool you are.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Anybody believe Obama won’t sign legislation to federalize gay marriage. He says he won’t. He sure as hell got rid of don’t ask don’t tell. The man is natural born liar.

rubberneck on May 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM

I and millions of Americans are proud of the President today. Even the GOP criticism is muted, they realize that their fear mongering on the issue is on its way out.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Ummm…no. What’s that old adage? Never interrupt your enemy when he’s in the middle of destroying himself…

Mitoch55 on May 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

There is no civil right advancement that could ever have one at the ballot. I’m not sure why you all act like ballot measures are the ultimate expression in our liberal republic. If its just mob rule why do we even have three branchces of governemnt?

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

What you’re really saying is that you don’t like it when you lose. I mean, who are these unwashed mobs who dare to disagree with you?

Trafalgar on May 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Let’s see.. pander to less than 1% of the voting population in hopes to gain enthusiasm for his reelection… Or, take a gamble that the 50% of the country that are against same-sex marriage forgets about this by November.

I think that gamble shows just how desperate he is in his bid to get reelected.

ButterflyDragon on May 9, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Indeed. But, the sheep are lapping it up…my FB feed is filled with praise for him, no matter that he was lying about his position before and “evolves” simply to pander to them now. It’s as transparently political a move as one can make.

I will enjoy the irony, though, of having him accept the nomination in a state that will have just rebuked his “new” position just months prior.

changer1701 on May 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Anybody believe Obama won’t sign legislation to federalize gay marriage.

rubberneck on May 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM

I smell a GOP Senate and House. Thanks Obama.

faraway on May 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM

cane_loader on May 9, 2012 at 2:44 PM
Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM
teke184 on May 9, 2012 at 2:46 PM
Trafalgar on May 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM
Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 2:55 PM
Dasher on May 9, 2012 at 3:15 PM
Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM
ITguy on May 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

What a dream topic for Hot Air readers: you get to give voice to your racism, homophobia and your ignorance all in one post!

Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM

What a dream topic for Hot Air readers: you get to give voice to your racism, homophobia and your ignorance all in one post!

Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM

And you get to express your deep ignorance in just two lines. Well done!

Trafalgar on May 9, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM

How foolish of you

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:45 PM

4 more years of having Joe Biden one heartbeat away from the Presidency should be enough for people to vote for Romney/whoever.

Wagthatdog on May 9, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Wagthatdog…That get’s a major “Woof, Woof” in my book!!

StarLady on May 9, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Plus, your discernment is lacking, big time.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:45 PM

There is no civil right advancement that could ever have one won at the ballot. I’m not sure why you all act like ballot measures are the ultimate expression in our liberal republic. If its just mob rule why do we even have three branchces of governemnt?

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

I think the one who needs to answer the question about three branches of government is the one who thinks he can go around them whenever it suits him. Elections are now mob rule? LOL- You are sounding almost as incoherent as “inthemiddle”.

Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 3:48 PM

What a dream topic for Hot Air readers: you get to give voice to your racism, homophobia and your ignorance all in one post!

Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM

How long have you been seeing racists around every corner? Did you hate your Mommy?

faraway on May 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM

You left out Muslims.
Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I’m not so sure that it will hurt him there.
Oh, sure the Mullahs will cut your head off if you are a flamer, but in many arab societies the reality is somewhat different:

Often overheard in Saudi: “Girls for babies, goats (or sheep)for sex, boys for love.”

And don’t forget in Indonesia
His Nanny
was
a Tranny.

LegendHasIt on May 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM

I am enjoying the meltdowns today, yours included.

Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM

There is no civil right advancement that could ever have one at the ballot. I’m not sure why you all act like ballot measures are the ultimate expression in our liberal republic. If its just mob rule why do we even have three branchces of governemnt?

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

You total idiot! Our liberal republic? We don’t have a republic for LIBERALS. We have a republic for the American people, where we elect our leaders to represent us in making decisions.

Let me explain: the founders of America regarded what you want, gay marriage, as perversion. They set up various laws to prevent this. The American people agree with the founders and don’t want this. But gays and liberals are trying to force this down our throats, even though the public keeps telling you in election after election they regard marriage as something between a man and a woman.

This is not mob rule, pinhead. What you and others are doing is

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM

There is no civil right advancement that could ever have one at the ballot. I’m not sure why you all act like ballot measures are the ultimate expression in our liberal republic. If its just mob rule why do we even have three branchces of governemnt?

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Your “love” said this today

The president stressed that this is a personal position, and that he still supports the concept of states deciding the issue on their own.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM

There is no civil right advancement that could ever have one at the ballot. I’m not sure why you all act like ballot measures are the ultimate expression in our liberal republic. If its just mob rule why do we even have three branchces of governemnt?

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Question: How do you think the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments came to pass?

And since you oppose any sort of vote on or amendment of the Constitution, does that mean you also oppose these?

northdallasthirty on May 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM

There is no civil right advancement that could ever have one at the ballot. I’m not sure why you all act like ballot measures are the ultimate expression in our liberal republic. If its just mob rule why do we even have three branchces of governemnt?

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

You need to get back in school.
Suggest a brush-up on the history of US Government.
Ballot measures ARE the ultimate in public expression.
They can change BOTH State and Fed. Constitutions.

Jabberwock on May 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Often overheard in Saudi: “Girls for babies, goats (or sheep)for sex, boys for love.”

And don’t forget in Indonesia
His Nanny
was
a Tranny.

LegendHasIt on May 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM

“Michelle for babies, constituents for ‘sex’ (Matthews, libfreeordie, Noonan,Brooks), boys for true love”.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Your “love” said this today

The president stressed that this is a personal position, and that he still supports the concept of states deciding the issue on their own.
Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I told ya that inthemiddle’s day/year would end poorly.
Obama just added NOTHING to the conversation.

Jabberwock on May 9, 2012 at 4:00 PM

I am enjoying the meltdowns today, yours included.
Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Great day for me and other fans of the President, actually. The only thing melting down is the conservative agenda and your chances for getting your candidate elected.

Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 4:00 PM

You need to get back in school…….
Jabberwock on May 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM

It probably learned that IN school. They teach it that way these days.

What it needs to do is read a textbook on U.S. Government published before about 1968 to learn the actuality.

LegendHasIt on May 9, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Great day for me and other fans of the President, actually. The only thing melting down is the conservative agenda and your chances for getting your candidate elected.
Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Yeah, that says it all, doesn’t it? Public policy set to indulge the self.

Wonderful.

Cleombrotus on May 9, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Obama just added NOTHING to the conversation.

Jabberwock on May 9, 2012 at 4:00 PM

He did…prove again that he’s a squish. He stands for nothing, except his own glory. May god punish his arrogance, for this alone

“when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf…” His behalf?

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM

The only thing melting down is the conservative agenda and your chances for getting your candidate elected.
Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Put away the cigars, crowns and the champagne.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Great day for me and other fans of the President, actually. The only thing melting down is the conservative agenda and your chances for getting your candidate elected.

Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Why ?
He very specifically said it was a state issue. Record not good there. His PERSONAL belief is meaningless.
He did not win any votes today. If anything, he lost some.

Jabberwock on May 9, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Great day for me and other fans of the President, actually. The only thing melting down is the conservative agenda and your chances for getting your candidate elected.

Constantine on May 9, 2012 at 4:00 PM

You think because Obama kind of sort of expressed his personal opinion on gay marriage today it changes the fact that 21% of democrats in NC chose “No Preference” for President, or that a convicted felon in prison got almost 40% of the dem vote in WV? You sure are easy to please. Which is good considering who you support.

Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 4:12 PM

I’m posting this again because I had trouble with my computer mid-rant and only some of it got posted:

There is no civil right advancement that could ever have one at the ballot. I’m not sure why you all act like ballot measures are the ultimate expression in our liberal republic. If its just mob rule why do we even have three branchces of governemnt?

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

You total idiot! Our liberal republic? We don’t have a republic for LIBERALS. We have a republic for the American people, where we elect our leaders to represent us in making decisions.

Let me explain: the founders of America regarded what you want, gay marriage, as perversion. They set up various laws to prevent this. The American people agree with the founders and don’t want this. But gays and liberals are trying to force this down our throats, even though the public keeps telling you in election after election that they regard marriage as something between a man and a woman.

This is not mob rule, pinhead. What you and others are doing is basically trying to form a dictatorship of liberals. You aren’t any different than the Soviet dictators, except they were actually successful revolutionaries. You, on the hand, couldn’t overthrow a government if it was composed of senile senior citizens.

A great American leader once said: “that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” Not of the LIBERAL, by the LIBERAL, for the LIBERAL.

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

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