Breaking: Noted gay-marriage supporter finally drops cynical charade

posted at 3:38 pm on May 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, 16 years after going on the record in support of gay marriage, The One finally decides it’s safe to reclaim his old position. (AmSpec’s James Antle tweets, “Obama may be the only person in America who supported gay marriage in 1996 but opposed it in 2011.”) His base will swoon over this, needless to say — expect the mother of all leg tingles on “Hardball” tonight — but even as someone who agrees with him, I can’t get past the pure opportunism of it. In fact, fellow gay-marriage supporter Andy Levy flags this NYT tweet in naked disgust:

Some Obama advisers were divided on decision to support same-sex marriage, but concluded his brand has been damaged enough by hedging.

That’s what it was all about: The brand, plus the political awkwardness created by Biden’s candor on “Meet the Press” this past Sunday. I used to ask whether anyone seriously believes O opposes gay marriage. Now I have to start asking whether anyone seriously believes O would have stopped feigning opposition if it was still a clear political winner for him to keep it up. His “courage” here, as in all things, is about his own reelection chances. If there’s anything for gay rights supporters to celebrate today, it’s the fact that popular opinion has shifted enough that even an opportunist as transparent as The One thinks it’s safe enough to take this position before a national election.

Note the fine print, though:

The president stressed that this is a personal position, and that he still supports the concept of states deciding the issue on their own. But he said he’s confident that more Americans will grow comfortable with gays and lesbians getting married, citing his own daughters’ comfort with the concept.

I don’t believe that for a moment either but that’s going to be his new compromise. Instead of “I support gay rights but oppose gay marriage” it’s now “I support gay marriage but oppose federal intervention.” Even so, if/when the Supreme Court finds a right to same-sex marriage in the Equal Protection Clause, rest assured that the statement from the White House that day will be nothing but celebratory. This position too is a charade.

As for the politics, Karl notes in the Greenroom that Team Hopenchange may now be shifting from a campaign aimed at winning back disaffected working-class swing voters to a campaign aimed mainly at maximizing turnout among their base:

What yesterday’s elections may have told Team Obama is that the bitter clingers out there are bitter enough to give 41% of the Democrat vote in West Virginia to a convicted felon and to ease a ban on same-sex marriage into the North Carolina constitution. They may have concluded that their energies are better spent targeting more socially liberal white college graduates in the suburbs of northern Virginia, Philadeplphia, Denver, etc. than wasting time on trying to persuade Rust Belt Jacksonians to pull the lever for Barack Obama again while (as Allahpundit suggests) considering discontent among socially conservative African-Americans an acceptable risk now. The establishment’s mockery of Obama’s unevolved position may have suggested to Team Obama that painting Mitt Romney as a right-wing extremist is made more difficult when the president shares Romney’s position on SSM.

For an extended list of pros versus cons, read Chris Cillizza. Romney reiterated today that there’ll be no “evolving” on his end so the contrast is there if Obama wants to draw it. Which, I think, he almost surely doesn’t: There’s too much uncertainty on both sides about how swing voters will react if it becomes a major issue in the campaign. Will they follow North Carolina’s and other states’ lead by voting against gay marriage and its proponent-in-chief? Or will they tune Romney out because he’s not talking about jobs and his economic program? Outside of LGBT fundraisers, I doubt you’ll hear O talk at length again about this issue before November. Exit quotation from GOProud’s Chris Barron: “It is time the left came to terms with the fact that this president will only be for same-sex marriage when he believes it is a political winner for him.”

Update: Some buzz on Twitter for this blink-and-you’ll-miss-it moment in O’s remarks: “when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf…” His behalf?


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Did I hear correctly?

Obama supports states’ rights?

Isn’t that just code for Jim Crow and slavery?

Does that mean he’s acting like a typical white person?

JadeNYU on May 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM

The next Gallup and Rassmusen polls should be interesting

The Notorious G.O.P on May 9, 2012 at 4:46 PM

That’s the first thing I thought when I read this. Any demographic breakdowns should be particularly fun to read–particularly the Black, Hispanic, Catholic, and Evangelical parts.

Mr. Prodigy on May 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

What barack is going here, though, is ensuring that at least the first debate with Romney will be the “gay marriage” debate — NO questions about the economy, NO questions about the debt, NO questions about unemployment. Just gay, gay, gay, all the way, and “civil rights,” you know. I hope Romney’s team is ready to turn that on its ear. No way in hell I’m sitting through a gay marriage debate. Boooooring!

Rational Thought on May 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Mr. President, when you’re giving your farewell speech in 7 months, remember this:

You didn’t lose because you were in favor of gay marriage. You didn’t lose because of your race. You lost because of your policies and your dishonesty.

JDF123 on May 9, 2012 at 4:54 PM

conservative tarheel on May 9, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Thank you for your service for America.

pookysgirl on May 9, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Update: Some buzz on Twitter for this blink-and-you’ll-miss-it moment in O’s remarks: “when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf…” His behalf?

Weirdly, I’m willing to give O the benefit of the doubt on this one. When he says “my” he means “mine, and yours, and all Americans’.” The “my” here is meant to correspond to the “personal” nature of the opinion he announced today. That is, it’s as if I or the next average civilian said, “It is my opinion that gays should be allowed to marry because when I think of how gays in the military are out there fighting for me (and my fellow citizens, and our rights and freedoms, etc.), how can I not?”

ThanksMo on May 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

he next Gallup and Rassmusen polls should be interesting

The Notorious G.O.P on May 9, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Dude, the democrats in Mass. are ready to pull the lever for Elizabeth Williams, a rich, old, white woman who LIED about being an Indian so she could get a part-time, six-figure job at Harvard. This little presidential announcement isn’t going to turn away a single dem. A few independents, maybe, but not a single dem. They vote for rapists, murderers, philanderers, thieves, child pornographers, none of it matters. Democrats vote for democrats, even if the guy they’re voting for is doing 20 to life at Sing Sing.

Rational Thought on May 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Did I hear correctly?

Obama supports states’ rights?

Isn’t that just code for Jim Crow and slavery?

Does that mean he’s acting like a typical white person?

JadeNYU on May 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Don’t worry, Obama is counting on judges nullifying elections. Like what happened in California, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, etc…

tetriskid on May 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Gaybama is a distraction from him spending money like a drunk sorority girl.

Little Boomer on May 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Mr. President, when you’re giving your farewell speech in 7 months

JDF123 on May 9, 2012 at 4:54 PM

I can’t even imagine what a dishonest mind-f*** Obama’s concession speech will be. What is he going to talk about? His facade is not who he is. His Presidency has been a sham.

Paul-Cincy on May 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Rational Thought on May 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Make that Elizabeth Warren! Or, as some call her, Fauxcahontas.

Rational Thought on May 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

How will he tap dance to finesse this decision to certain Dem constituencies who oppose gay marriage and civil unions? I’m sure he’ll think of another lie, no problem.

Philly on May 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM

It won’t go over well with the blue-collar Catholics in Philly, that’s for sure. Or the black churches. Wonder what Mayor Nutter will have to say?

rockmom on May 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

You give new meaning to the word spin.

derecho on May 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM

If the GOP thought it was going to help them, they would be celebrating it. Conservative media is angry and pissed off – which can only mean they know this was a good decision for the President.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM

I think you need to start taking your meds again

Same sex marriage loses in every election. Here in Jersey they re so afraid to put it up for a vote they tried to back door it (no pun) that Christie called them out and they lost.

This does nothing but energize the conservative base who believe in traditional marriage which is a majority. So you gave up NC, Indiana, possibly VA, forget any southern state. We could care less about californification and NY. Now Romney can attach this to him being a puppet to his donors who held back funds till he announced his support.

I’m against Gay Marriage not due to bigotry or religion, but I’m against it due to benefits, social security benefits, and what says that when I am old and my wife passes, I I get married to my best friend from childhood who is a guy and say, hey let’s room up get married and I can get covered on your insurance and if one of us die you can collect my social security even though we are banging chicks left and right in our new crib.

I believe this will hurt Obambi in the election, with the silent majority.

Conservative4ev on May 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

“On my behalf”…shows that he thinks of himself in terms of being king, or dictator. One of many examples where he has done so.

jazzmo on May 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

If he believes that it’s a state issue, why does he feel the need to comment on it at all?

29Victor on May 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

tingles-
‘this president has made history’

let the tingling begin

blech

cmsinaz on May 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Likewise, the Dems are fired up and ready to go now. A new fire has been lit and we won’t let Mitt take us back to the Stone Ages.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

What a crock. The lesson from the gay marriage debate is this: when Americans have a chance to vote on the issue, they always vote against it. Dems have had plenty of chances to be ‘fired up’, and it doesn’t translate into any kind of victory when the issue of gay marriage is actually brought to a vote. It currently exists in several states only because state legislatures and judges vote and rule against the wishes of the electorate. There is no ‘new fire’ here, there never will be. And, what people are dismissing in this NC vote are the black democrats who voted overwhelmingly against Amendment 1. Before Mitt Romney is saddled with the ‘back to the stone ages’ nonsense, democrats need to understand that a sizable bloc of the dem voting base doesn’t exactly support gay marriage either.

joejm65 on May 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

So why was it Santorum would have been the one to bring up the social issues and we couldn’t have that?

txmomof6 on May 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Gutfeld to Bob “Your hero lied to the American people for years”.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Boeckel preaching “convictions” on the part of Obama is incredibly funny.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

“Personally, I believe this”…always a weasel.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Proud to have a president who lives in the 21st century!

DBear on May 9, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Most of the Obama Regime has consisted of running aimlessly in circles.

wildcat72 on May 9, 2012 at 3:48 PM

..or doing something else that involves circles.

The War Planner on May 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Conservative4ev,

Public polling shows the issue split pretty evenly at about 50/50 between those opposed and those in favor of same sex marriage — but the trend is clear. The idea of legalizing gay marriage has become much more palatable to Americans over time, and this trend will likely continue. Furthermore, if you look at the split between young voters, a vast majority them are in favor of same sex marriage. The trends are clear, and there is no reason to believe they will reverse anytime soon. Obama is on the right side of history, and he realizes it. Good for him.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

tingles wonders why the polls say one thing but 32 states said no

halperin because there is a silent majority who support it but do not vote

PUHLEEZE

cmsinaz on May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

the entire thing is about money. 1. the lgbt people aren’t ponying up as much as hoped, so barry wants their money now … and 2 the lgbt want money from various people…for example, they want med benes for their domestic partner from the company the work for…and they are looking now for barry to produce (which he will in his second term)

i’m sure they have a long laundry list of go-dos for barry.

r keller on May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

My goodness.

I honestly thought that this election was in the bag for Obama. I thought that the GOP was giving the election away by nominating Romney, and that this would be a walk in the park for the Democrats. I thought that the GOP had shown that they had no desire to win the election.

However, Obama has now shown that he’s equally determined to lose. Talk about trying to give VA, NC, OH, PA, IA, and other states back to the GOP!

Stoic Patriot on May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Proud to have a president who lives in the 21st century!

DBear on May 9, 2012 at 5:07 PM

..and ready to see that your primos y primas get bent FORWARD.

The War Planner on May 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

cheney wouldn’t support gay marriage if his daughter wasn’t a lesbian
according to tingles

for cripe sakes

cmsinaz on May 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Proud to have a president who lives in the 21st century!

DBear on May 9, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Especially considering that Carter is still alive.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Only when you poll kids who don’t pay for anything yet. Churchill always said when you get older you become conservative. So keep polling college kids if it makes you feel better

Conservative4ev on May 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Funny how it takes so long to come to decisions when you don’t really know what you believe in…

I can only wonder how many advisers it took to reach this decision..

How many fingers stuck into the air?
Let’s send good ‘ol Joe out there first, who cares what happens to him…

What a pathetic excuse for a Potus..

RockyJ. on May 9, 2012 at 5:11 PM

…but the trend is clear. The idea of legalizing gay marriage has become much more palatable to Americans over time…

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Nevermind the fact that gay marriage has yet to win on a ballot.

Ever.

Use your own facts, though. They’re more convenient than the ones the rest of us have.

CycloneCDB on May 9, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Conservative4ev,

Public polling shows the issue split pretty evenly at about 50/50 between those opposed and those in favor of same sex marriage — but the trend is clear. The idea of legalizing gay marriage has become much more palatable to Americans over time, and this trend will likely continue. Furthermore, if you look at the split between young voters, a vast majority them are in favor of same sex marriage. The trends are clear, and there is no reason to believe they will reverse anytime soon. Obama is on the right side of history, and he realizes it. Good for him.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Only when you poll kids who don’t pay for anything yet. Churchill always said when you get older you become conservative. So keep polling college kids if it makes you feel better

Sorry for double post

Conservative4ev on May 9, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Paul-Cincy on May 9, 2012 at 4:49 PM

You’re welcome. One of the things I’ve read is What Is Marriage?, published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, which clearly sets forth, among other things, why society and government have a vested interest in the recognition and protection of marriage.

One of the authors is Robert George, an incredibly sharp guy. He’s McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University. At the time it was written the other two authors were Ph.D. candidates: Sherif Girgis at Princeton University and Ryan T. Anderson at the University of Notre Dame.

It’s long, but worth your while. I wanted to go beyond just a link to it, so here are the contents to let you and everyone else know what is discussed.

* * * * * * *

I. …Part I provides the core or essence of our argument, what could reasonably be taken as a stand‐alone defense of our position…

A. Equality, Justice, and the Heart of the Debate
B. Real Marriage Is – And Is Only – The Union of Husband and Wife
1. Comprehensive Union
2. Special Link to Children
3. Marital Norms

C. How Would Gay Civil Marriage Affect You or Your Marriage?
1. Weakening Marriage
2. Obscuring the Value of Opposite‐Sex Parenting As an Ideal
3. Threatening Moral and Religious Freedom

D. If Not Same‐Sex Couples, Why Infertile Ones?
1. Still Real Marriages
2. Still in the Public Interest

E. Challenges for Revisionists

1. The State Has an Interest in Regulating Some Relationships?
2. Only if They Are Romantic?
3. Only if They Are Monogamous?

F. Isn’t Marriage Just Whatever We Say It Is?

II . …Part II considers all of the serious concerns that are not treated earlier…

A. Why Not Spread Traditional Norms to the Gay Community?
B. What About Partners’ Concrete Needs?
C. Doesn’t the Conjugal Conception of Marriage Sacrifice Some People’s Fulfillment for Others’?
D. Isn’t It Only Natural?
E. Doesn’t Traditional Marriage Law Impose Controversial Moral and Religious Views on Everyone?

Conclusion

INC on May 9, 2012 at 5:14 PM

“….but even as someone who agrees with him, I can’t get past the pure opportunism of it.”

I’ve been laughing non-stop since 3 o’clock. :D

Yeah, I too agree that homosexuals should get the same treatment under the law… but wow, what a STUNNING mistake. I think it’s going to bite him on the butt, and I think it’s going to bite down HARD. What was that in NC last night?… 60/40?
I bet he’s suffering from the worst case of flop sweat he’s ever had before right about now. lolol

This is the kind of unforced error you’d expect from Junior Senator Obama. I mean, sure people were going to ask, they’re going to apply some pressure, but he’s been getting away with that bull about how his opinion is “evolving” for a long time now. There’s no reason why he couldn’t continue straddling the fence. But now? Oh, wow. He thinks he’s going to get the youth all rabble-roused again, but the best he could hope for is more OWS-type insanity hardening off opposition.

lolol… Oh, man! I just remembered the Catholic vote! :D
If he thinks he had offended them before with his attack over birth control, he’s seen nothing yet. He just went for one of the SACRAMENTS!

Oh… my ribs!

Murf76 on May 9, 2012 at 5:14 PM

…but even as someone who agrees with him…

Allahpundit on May 9, 2012 at 3:38

My man Gary Johnson is also for gay marriage, but better.

Tzetzes on May 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=criiu2h3ZAk

The first one is a liar.

rubberneck on May 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

“The Democrats will run Joe Biden for President in 2016″
.
……………Bob Beckel

JPeterman on May 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

the entire thing is about money. 1. the lgbt people aren’t ponying up as much as hoped, so barry wants their money now … and 2 the lgbt want money from various people…for example, they want med benes for their domestic partner from the company the work for…and they are looking now for barry to produce (which he will in his second term)

i’m sure they have a long laundry list of go-dos for barry.

r keller on May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I don’t think so. There just isn’t that much “LGBT money.” This is all about making this election about anything BUT the economy, jobs, debt, etc. Barack will be coming out with one fruity (no pun intended) statement after another to keep Romney from talking about Barack’s failures in office. That’s all this is about. And — once again — they shot their wad too soon (again, no pun intended…OK, maybe a little pun, but a bad one). There’s still plenty of time between now and election day to get off the gays (Pun? You decide.) and on to the economy.

Rational Thought on May 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Likewise, the Dems are fired up and ready to go now. A new fire has been lit and we won’t let Mitt take us back to the Stone Ages.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Obama ate a dog.

Burke on May 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Maybe Shep is gay. At times I really wonder about that guy.

Susanboo on May 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Is that still an open question? I thought everyone understood it as fact

gatorboy on May 9, 2012 at 3:59 PM

That’s news to me. Guess I did not get the memo with that bit of gossip in it.

Susanboo on May 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Democrats vote for democrats, even if the guy they’re voting for is doing 20 to life at Sing Sing.

Rational Thought on May 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

..yeah, just look how they lined up to vote for a WVA con who ran against Obama.

The War Planner on May 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Conservative4ev,

Reputable polling is done at complete random to avoid any biases in the data. Also, the issue of “marriage” isn’t exactly an issue based on financial considerations. The amount of money taxpayers likely contribute to pay for the tax benefits of marriage has to be minuscule.

Again, this isn’t necessarily a financial issue (at least for young voters — it very well may be for gay voters as they would acquire certain benefits), it’s a human rights issue.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:18 PM

You think he will go wobbly on pedophiles next, then?

so-notbuyingit on May 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM

It’s not rape-rape.- Whoopi

Gladtobehere on May 9, 2012 at 5:18 PM

كافر

Bmore on May 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

it’s a human rights issue.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:18 PM

It’s a “creating special rights issue” for homosexuals.

b1jetmech on May 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM

“The Democrats will run Joe Biden for President in 2016″
.
……………Bob Beckel

JPeterman on May 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

..I keep watching The Five and Hannity because — just maybe — one day Beckel or Dick Morris will explode like Mr Creosote.

The War Planner on May 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Which, I think, he almost surely doesn’t: There’s too much uncertainty on both sides about how swing voters will react if it becomes a major issue in the campaign.

There’s generally never too much uncertainty for both sides to make something an issue, if they are both being rational and have equal information. It’s a zero-sum game. No matter what the uncertainty is, it either increases your odds of winning, or increases your opponent’s odds*. And if you think “Oh, but it is likely to increase my odds more if I bring it up later”, and you are correct, then that means it is in your opponent’s interest to bring it up now.

Therefore, one side is almost certainly being either stupid, or a bunch of p*ssies.

*(strictly speaking, it could in theory leave the odds unchanged, but that more or less never happens in a situation this complex)

RINO in Name Only on May 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Conservative4ev,

Reputable polling is done at complete random to avoid any biases in the data. Also, the issue of “marriage” isn’t exactly an issue based on financial considerations. The amount of money taxpayers likely contribute to pay for the tax benefits of marriage has to be minuscule.

Again, this isn’t necessarily a financial issue (at least for young voters — it very well may be for gay voters as they would acquire certain benefits), it’s a human rights issue.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:18 PM

All Obama did was wage war against traditional marriage. I could take a poll and hav a majority say the sky is pink if I do it right. The point is he will lose this battle. When it’s up for referendum it loses and loses badly. Just stick with civil unions and move along

Conservative4ev on May 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Again, this isn’t necessarily a financial issue (at least for young voters — it very well may be for gay voters as they would acquire certain benefits), it’s a human rights issue.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:18 PM

One group of people getting the approval of another is a human rights issue?

Let’s get something straight. Gays are not enslaved. They are not put upon in any way. Their behavior doesn’t have the blessings of the society they live in. Neither do skateboarders, tattoo artists, or alcoholics. It’s not a human rights violation though. My goodness, the desire to be victimized runs deep.

CycloneCDB on May 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Funny Allah leaves out that big donors where withholding money from Obama over issue and is the reason he’s doing this.

He will lose some % of black and Hispanic vote on this.

jp on May 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Regardless of your position regarding gay marriage (I support it) one thing needs to be hammered home by the Romney campaign and anyone else who considers themselves a conservative: Obama is a liar, a flip flopper and a political opportunist willing to sellout to anyone and say anything so he can be reelected and continue our transformation into the new France.

1984 in real life on May 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

The Great stuffed Pander Bear speaks. Oh joy. I can’t wait to not have to hear his voice or see his face in an official capacity ever again.

totherightofthem on May 9, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Obama should stop being a bigot and “polygaphobe” and embrace polygamy and polyamory. There in no logical reason to stop at gay marriage. The same arguments to justify gay marriage justify polygamy.

Blue Collar Todd on May 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Some buzz on Twitter for this blink-and-you’ll-miss-it moment in O’s remarks: “when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf…” His behalf?

I took it as a generic reformulation of the old “those who fight for our freedoms overseas” type thing.

BocaJuniors on May 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Proud to have a president who lives in the 21st century!

DBear on May 9, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Obama is on the right side of history, and he realizes it. Good for him.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Is everyone too embarrassed to point out the clear difference in character between same-sex sex and opposite-sex sex? One is an imitation, a caricature, a mutual masturbation, while the other is the real thing. On that basis alone, marriage and “gay marriage” should be understood as two vastly different things.

Paul-Cincy on May 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Let’s get something straight. Gays are not enslaved. They are not put upon in any way. Their behavior doesn’t have the blessings of the society they live in.

CycloneCDB on May 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

What’s obvious…is the gheys have the money to bankrole and threaten to withhold their contributions like say… from Obama. They were influential enough to force Obama to come out of the closet and support homosexual marriage.

Now if these special interest groups have this kind of money, that don’t sound like an oppressed group of people? Seems they have plenty of wealth and lack of oppression.

b1jetmech on May 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Regardless of your position regarding gay marriage (I support it) one thing needs to be hammered home by the Romney campaign and anyone else who considers themselves a conservative: Obama is a liar, a flip flopper and a political opportunist willing to sellout to anyone and say anything so he can be reelected and continue our transformation into the new France.

1984 in real life on May 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Romney flip-flops.

Obama evolves.

BocaJuniors on May 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM

So, we find out President downgrade is also on the down low. I knew he was pervy.

tommyboy on May 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Obama should stop being a bigot and “polygaphobe” and embrace polygamy and polyamory. There in no logical reason to stop at gay marriage. The same arguments to justify gay marriage justify polygamy.

Blue Collar Todd on May 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Obama Sr. held a position close to that. He has the number count of diverse children to prove it.

b1jetmech on May 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

“One group of people getting the approval of another is a human rights issue?

Let’s get something straight. Gays are not enslaved. They are not put upon in any way. Their behavior doesn’t have the blessings of the society they live in. Neither do skateboarders, tattoo artists, or alcoholics. It’s not a human rights violation though. My goodness, the desire to be victimized runs deep.”

It is about being treated equally under the law. Skateboarders, tattoo artists, and alcoholics can all get married and enjoy all of the 1,100 federally granted benefits that come with it — well, if they’re not gay, that is.

So, not “one people getting the approval of another”, but rather, being treated equally under the law. It’s a matter of discrimination for living a particular, harmful, lifestyle.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Bmore on May 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

الطعن بالظهر كذاب الجشع

burrata on May 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Obama evolves.

BocaJuniors on May 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Not evolve…Mutate.

b1jetmech on May 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Proud to have a president who lives in the 21st century!

DBear on May 9, 2012 at 5:07 PM

..and ready to see that your primos y primas get bent FORWARD.

The War Planner on May 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Thanks, I needed this, lol.

DDay on May 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

He will lose some % of black and Hispanic vote on this.

jp on May 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Yeah well since they were actually oppressed instead of faux-oppressed, they don’t actually have any money to back him with so, I am sure he doesn’t care too awfully much.

Lily on May 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Pres Obowma gets “behind” gay marriage.

Who knew?

Anyone else he can pander to for votes?

dthorny on May 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Likewise, the Dems are fired up and ready to go now. A new fire has been lit and we won’t let Mitt take us back to the Stone Ages.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Yes, hard-line reactionary Mitt Romney wants to take us back to the Stone Ages.

Seriously, you call yourself “in the middle”, and you think Mitt Romney is an extremist?

Really? I mean, I don’t want to say “WTF is the matter with you? Are you on something?”, because that would be rude, but… well… Oh what the heck -

WTF is the matter with you. Are you on something?

If so, can I have some?

Just what exactly do you see yourself as “in the middle” of?

RINO in Name Only on May 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM

All Obama did was wage war against traditional marriage. I could take a poll and hav a majority say the sky is pink if I do it right. The point is he will lose this battle. When it’s up for referendum it loses and loses badly. Just stick with civil unions and move along

Conservative4ev on May 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

I actually don’t have a problem with gay marriage, but you are right: it loses, almost everywhere. As PPP said earlier:

Hate to say it but I don’t believe polls showing majority support for gay marriage nationally. Any time there’s a vote it doesn’t back it up

and

Think the straight gay marriage v. no recognition question with no civil unions option is probably about 42-52 nationally.

BocaJuniors on May 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

So, not “one people getting the approval of another”, but rather, being treated equally under the law. It’s a matter of discrimination for living a particular, harmful, lifestyle.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

You just said it’s not a financial issue. What ebenefits are they lacking that aren’t financial?

CycloneCDB on May 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

RINO in Name Only on May 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Heh. :)

BocaJuniors on May 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

It is about being treated equally under the law.

So, not “one people getting the approval of another”, but rather, being treated equally under the law. It’s a matter of discrimination for living a particular, harmful, lifestyle.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

They are being treated equally..haven’t you heard? Heterols cannot marry the same sex. They are not creating a strawman argument and forcing society through the court system to accept same sex marriage.

If the framers of the 14th amendment wanted same sex marriage to be covered they would have included it back in 1863. Well guess what? The 14th amendment applies to slaves/former not same sex couples.

Society has spoken over and over on this issue..accept it.

b1jetmech on May 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Obama just committed political suicide.

Bank on it

Redford on May 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Maybe Barry sees the writing on the wall, knows his presidency is finished, and is now working on his “legacy” by tacking to the left and securing his place as messiah in the imaginations of Chris Matthews everywhere. I suppose him and Michelle spend their evenings making plans for his library and the lucrative speaking circuit.

Punchenko on May 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/399134_3384830174394_295637250_n.jpg

This sums things up….

rubberneck on May 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

BocaJuniors on May 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Oh please. President “I’ll close gitmo” has no shame about being a political whore. Andrew breitbart and and other republicans were far more courageous about speaking up for gay rights and making them into 10th amendment arguments than your dear leader.

1984 in real life on May 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM

President FLIP FLOP Panderama!

Or: Obama inches a little more out of the closet?

profitsbeard on May 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Conservatives are fooling themselves if they think Obama is going to lose black voters over this. Also I suspect you probably don’t know many black Obama voters. I got my haircut this afternoon at the barber shop. No one had anything nice to say about gay people, no one expressed even the slightest inkling of not voting for Obama. And I live in Virginia.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

“You just said it’s not a financial issue. What ebenefits are they lacking that aren’t financial?”

I was referring to voters, not gay couples. I stated that gay marriage is not issue of financial considerations for most voters (specifically young voters). However, I explicitly stated, ” it very well may be [a financial issue] for gay voters as they would acquire certain benefits.”

Context, man.

Also, just to entertain your question. Civil unions are not only lacking from a financial perspective (not guaranteeing people who have them all the financial benefits of marriage), but also a social perspective. In the landmark case Brown V Board of Education, the Supreme Court found that “separate is inherently unequal.” While they were referring to public institutions (specifically, schools) I feel this could apply to public social institutions (marriage) as well.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Obama’s Body Man hardest hit.

profitsbeard on May 9, 2012 at 5:45 PM

So, Obama is a low down dirty . But who knew that he was also on the “down low” too?

Exit Question: How’s this going to play in Traditional African-American Congregations?

CiLH1 on May 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Conservatives are fooling themselves if they think Obama is going to lose black voters over this. Also I suspect you probably don’t know many black Obama voters. I got my haircut this afternoon at the barber shop. No one had anything nice to say about gay people, no one expressed even the slightest inkling of not voting for Obama. And I live in Virginia.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Were they talking to you or about you?

derecho on May 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

b1jetmech,

Have you ever read the 14th amendment? The equal protection clause applies to ALL US citizens. Last I checked, gay people could still be citizens.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Again, this isn’t necessarily a financial issue (at least for young voters — it very well may be for gay voters as they would acquire certain benefits), it’s a human rights issue.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:18 PM

It is just about only a financial issue and is the main reason this conservative is totally against it. Every gay in the public sector will immediately extend health insurance benefits to a partner. The impacts on the actuarials will be huge. If private companies want to do it fine but not on the public dime that is already stretched beyond its limit.

This breaks down very much like the abortion issue. A conservative is not allowed to argue for restrictions on funding on moral grounds because there is a separation of church and state. Can’t argue on fiscal grounds because that wouldn’t be moral to deny free stuff to poor people. But NARAL and PP can fund the whey out of candidates that tote their water like Obama has done for years.

DanMan on May 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

getalife?

crr6?

ladyingray on May 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

So, Obama has kissed off winning the Catholic vote again for sure. His margins are disappearing left and right. Where’s that fork?

tommyboy on May 9, 2012 at 5:50 PM

A few years ago, I clicked on a link at another political website. Figuring its name said it all. Hillbuzz.org. Well, it turned out that it is a gays for Hilary website run out of Chicago. You should read what they have to say about BO. All I will say is that I’m even more naive than I thought I was.

ABO2012

herm2416 on May 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM

“It is just about only a financial issue and is the main reason this conservative is totally against it.”

That is just not true. Read through the comments on this thread. Look at why most Republican politicians are against gay marriage. Heck, talk to just about anyone against it. The vast, vast majority of people opposed to gay marriage are opposed to it based on moral and religious grounds.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM

So I guess social conservatives are not going to need much prodding to get to the polls this year.

rubberneck on May 9, 2012 at 5:52 PM

In the landmark case Brown V Board of Education, the Supreme Court found that “separate is inherently unequal.” While they were referring to public institutions (specifically, schools) I feel this could apply to public social institutions (marriage) as well.

stuckinwisconsin on May 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

You know how I know you’re full of crap? You start that sentence with “in the landmark case”. Nice copy n paste job.

This is not a case of “separate but equal”. It’s been covered about a bazillion times by people that actually know law.

Once again, gays can marry. Nobody is stopping them. Any gay man can marry any woman he pleases.

You are defining behavior the same way black was defined as a physical characteristic. It’s not the same. It is a tired, tired argument.

If it held true, then we would have granted blacks equal rights by changing their descriptor from black to white. So whites would be white and blacks would be white, and then those who were black would get all the same stuff whites did. Right?

But, that’s foolish, isn’t it?

Look – I’ve said this on a number of occasions. I have no problem with the behavior or the desire to spend their lives together. I have many MANY close friends and family that are gay. It truly doesn’t bother me. I consider it a sin, but we all sin every day, don’t we? It’s not my place to pass judgement.

However, the word “marriage” means something. You are asking that the english language be legislated. It doesn’t work that way. Have some respect for those who consider marriage a sacrament and hold it as sacred to their faith.

Gays should be fighting to have their partnerships recognized and sanctioned the same way marriages are, and stop fighting to have the language changed. It’s a lazy and unintelligent way of handling the situation.

CycloneCDB on May 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Conservatives are fooling themselves if they think Obama is going to lose black voters over this. Also I suspect you probably don’t know many black Obama voters. I got my haircut this afternoon at the barber shop. No one had anything nice to say about gay people, no one expressed even the slightest inkling of not voting for Obama. And I live in Virginia.

libfreeordie on May 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I agree. Obama is not going to lose many black votes over this. Hispanics on the other hand…

Kataklysmic on May 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I’m really startin’ to think Barack is looking for a “courageous decision” to blame his re-election loss on. And he thinks this is it. He’s gonna recast himself as the MLK of the gays. MLK was derided, too, you know. Barack is just a civil rights champion who was ahead of his time. Someday, way off in the future, he’ll get his giant statue on the National Mall (in rainbow pattern, of course!), and losing re-election will have all been worth it. And the Obamamedia gets to blame his loss on “anti-gay backlash.” Thus, he never had a failed presidency. It was the courage, you see, the courage that did him in.

Rational Thought on May 9, 2012 at 5:54 PM

So he believes that states have the right to determine their definition of marriage, but he wont defend DOMA, which ensured that one state could not be required to recognize as a marriage a same-sex relationship considered a marriage in another state.

Something doesn’t fit here….

AverageJoe on May 9, 2012 at 5:56 PM

I think they were tired of the fact that when their supporters ravaged Romney as a bigot for not supporting gay marriage, then someone would say, Oh yah, that’s exactly what Obama supports too.

So they couldn’t make a good argument so he had to change his official position.

Fleuries on May 9, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Kataklysmic on May 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I’m not so sure!!..:)

PS..I think your idea of moving the Dems moving Convention to VA is interesting..:)

Dire Straits on May 9, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Time Mag: Will Black Voters Punish Obama For His Support of Gay Rights?

The President might be on the right side of history, but he’s on the wrong side of a crucial voting bloc

Black voters, who were critical to Obama’s ‘08 victory, are strongly against marriage equality. A recent Washington Post/ABC poll found 55% of blacks oppose gay marriage and 42% support it, which is almost the opposite of white voters—53% support and 43% oppose.

http://ideas.time.com/2012/05/09/will-black-voters-punish-obama-for-his-support-of-gay-rights/?iid=op-main-lede#ixzz1uPatG82k

It seems to me that the problem that proponents of SSM has is not with white conservatives, but with blacks.

Resist We Much on May 9, 2012 at 5:57 PM

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