Bad day for Obama, unions in NC, WV, and especially WI

posted at 8:41 am on May 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Looks like Tuesday was a bad day for Barack Obama, Democrats in general, and particularly the unions.  Three states held primaries, and in each, voters rejected positions and/or candidates associated with all three, in embarrassing vote totals.  Let’s start with the least significant of these outcomes, the Democratic presidential primary in West Virginia, where an inmate in federal prison ran a novelty primary challenge to Barack Obama — and came within 20 points of winning (via Polipundit):

An obscure federal prison inmate gave President Obama an unexpected run for his money in the West Virginia Democratic Primary Tuesday, highlighting the deep dislike for the president in the Appalachian heartland.

With 96% of the precincts reporting Tuesday night, Keith Judd was holding steady at 41% of the vote and had won ten counties.

Judd is also known as federal prison inmate Number 11593-051 at the Beaumont Federal Correctional Institution in Beaumont, Texas, where Judd is serving a 210-month sentence for extortion and making threats at the University of New Mexico in 1999.

The best part of this story?  Thanks to the size of the popular vote for Judd, he’s entitled to at least one delegate at the Democratic National Convention.  I’d bet that the DNC will rule that Judd’s ineligibility as a convict will allow them to strip him of whatever delegates he does win, but it’s going to be a little embarrassing nonetheless.

Still, Obama has absolutely no chance of winning West Virginia in a national election anyway, so that’s more sideshow than significant.  However, Team Obama needs to carry North Carolina again this year after their narrow 0.3% win in 2008.  Obama ran unopposed in the primary in North Carolina, but that doesn’t mean he won all of the votes.  In fact, Obama couldn’t reach 80% in the Democratic primary, which featured competitive Congressional primary contests on the ballot.  Obama won only 79.2% of the vote, with slightly more than a fifth of all Democratic voters (20.8%) expressing “no preference.”  That totals over 140,000 Democrat votes that didn’t go to Obama in an unopposed primary — and Obama only won North Carolina by 14,000 votes in 2008.  The Tarheel State’s beginning to look like a lost cause.

Speaking of lost causes, the traditional marriage amendment that Obama publicly opposed in North Carolina passed by a wide margin:

North Carolina has become the 31st state to add an amendment on marriage to its constitution, with voters banning same-sex marriage and barring legal recognition of unmarried couples by state and local governments.

North Carolina is the last state in the south to add such an amendment, and supporters hoped for a resounding victory.

Incomplete returns show the amendment up 59.72 percent to 40.28 percent. Some large counties, including Durham and Mecklenburg have not reported results.

The final results were even more dramatic, 61.05% to 38.95%.  That represents a strong rejection of Obama’s position, and a demonstration of why the Tarheel State may already be lost to Obama.

By far the worst news for the Left came in Wisconsin, where primaries were held for the recall elections next month.  Tom Barrett won a contentious fight against Kathleen Falk, the candidate of Big Labor who got a ton of union help for her campaign but lost badly by 24 points, 58/34.  The real story, though, was Scott Walker, who got more votes than both combined despite facing only token opposition in the Republican primary:

As Barrett was campaigning Tuesday, Walker was barnstorming the state and showing the fight he will bring to what is expected to be a brutal month of canvassing for one of the most important elections to state office in Wisconsin history. A poll last week showed Walker and Barrett in a dead heat.

Walker, who won over 600,000 votes despite facing only token opposition Tuesday, has been preparing for months for the fast-approaching election, raising a record $25 million, while Barrett must now pivot toward this race with far fewer resources.

There was little reason for Republicans to turn out for this primary, as their incumbents are all trying to hold their offices.  Walker’s opponent got less than 20,000 votes, while Walker rang up over 626,000.  Contrast that the two Democrats, who combined for 619,049 votes, seven thousand less than Walker, in a primary election where unions tried to stoke turnout to boost Falk.  Republicans in Wisconsin appear fired up and ready to turn out in June, and presumably in November, to protect their state against Big Labor’s efforts to undo the 2010 elections and take control of the state.  That’s not good news for Obama, either, since Obama won Wisconsin in 2008 and needs the state in 2012.

All of that makes for a very bad night indeed for Democrats, and a pretty good indicator which way the wind is blowing before the general election.


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lose = loss

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Looser.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM

From Twitchy (cozmo they are going crazy):

Roseanne Barr calls for boycott of North Carolina, refers to Amendment 1 supporter as “fucker”

I love the smell of fear in the morning.

Long haired country boy on May 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Excellent write up. The dems have to be really freaking out this morning!

dogsoldier on May 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Sorry, but I am going to do a little math, folks. To force a recall, the Dems needed ~800K signatures and submitted over 1 million. The total Dem vote last night – which includes GOP crossover votes for Falk – was only ~670K. So, um, where were the 400K that signed the petition against Walker go? Makes you wonder how many of those signatures were bogus and/or just to avoid getting grief from their union neighbors. No wonder the lefties didn’t want rigorous checks of the signatures…

rcpjr on May 9, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Hey, at least we know Mickey Mouse and Adolph Hitler showed up to vote.

BKennedy on May 9, 2012 at 9:43 AM

I suspect the lopsided numbers are more an indication of how unpopular gay marriage is with black voters. Obama is trying to ride the fence between anti-gay faction and pro-gay factions of his party, and the fence is real hard and kinda splintery – rough-cut oak I think.
forest on May 9, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Yep. Larry Sabato was on Fox earlier and said majority black counties in NC voted for amendment.

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 9:43 AM

What would Eeyore say?

oldroy on May 9, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Yes, Allahpundit post please. Too much squeee!

Bouncing Beatnik on May 9, 2012 at 9:44 AM

The NC vote was a foregone conclusion after Bark picked a side.

Whatever side he picks in a fight, bet on the other one. Everything he touches turns into dog meat.

CorporatePiggy on May 9, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Talk about moving the goal post. 4 years ago, it was UNIMAGINABLE that NC would ever vote for black Democrat for President. The fact that the GOP is now having to spend millions defending it and the polls are tied there goes to show how far the GOP has fallen.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 9:33 AM

That’s one way to look at it.. Wrong..but one way…

sandee on May 9, 2012 at 9:46 AM

inthemiddle, I have been to NC several times. In terms of scenery, it is a beautiful state. There are also areas heavily involved in research. Point is, I can see why people live there. Unfortunately, not everything about the state is ideal as yesterday’s vote makes clear.

McDuck on May 9, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Things are looking better and better as time goes on. Hope the momentun carries into November and we can say goodby to a lot of the DWS and Pelosi and Reid can lose his majority leadership.

DuctTapeMyBrain on May 9, 2012 at 9:48 AM

A judge will undoubtedly overturn NC’s bigotry. If not, SC Justice Kennedy will in a 5-4 decision – which will be expedited by the hatred shown. In any case, who wants to move to redneck NC? No big lose there!
inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

“Hatred”? You mean like this?

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 9:48 AM

A judge will undoubtedly overturn NC’s bigotry. If not, SC Justice Kennedy will in a 5-4 decision – which will be expedited by the hatred shown. In any case, who wants to move to redneck NC? No big lose there!

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

I may be wrong… there are many subtleties in the law. But isn’t an amendment to the state constitution unassailable by the state or federal supreme courts? I think this one’s in there solidly.

And 61% — that’s the will of the people, folks.

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 9:52 AM

In any case, who wants to move to redneck NC? No big lose there!

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

It’s always fun when someone mocks the intelligence of others, but doesn’t seem to know the difference between “lose” and “loss”.

strictnein on May 9, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Gee, I haven’t read the word “racist” in this thread until I just commented it in. There must not be any trolls attending, today.

Well, actually, that liberal bigot inthemiddle just showed up.

Right Mover on May 9, 2012 at 9:53 AM

All this is good news, but I’m not reading too much in to the victory of the traditional marriage referendum in North Carolina.

A lot of the people who voted for it are black Christians who on social issues are actually to the right of me. The same thing happened in California when blacks and Hispanics supported Proposition 8 by significantly larger margins than did white Californians.

In other words, a lot of the people who supported the traditional marriage amendment in North Carolina are still going to vote for Soetoro on November 6. If he wins a second term, many of those Christian, socially conservative black voters may not be happy when 0bama moves to legalize gay marriage, but they won’t regret their vote for him.

[Disclaimer: I would have voted against the traditional marriage amendment, but I accept these results. The issue of gay marriage should be decided by voters, not judges, at the state level.]

MidniteRambler on May 9, 2012 at 9:55 AM

The problem with recall petitions is its like almost any other petition… when someone is confronted by a volunteer pushing an agenda, most prefer to just sign and move on without offending the volunteer rather than to stand with their convictions. I’ve witnessed it many times… even family members signing something they don’t believe in.

But when it came to a secret ballot- obviously the people of wisconsin voted with their heart to back Walker who’s policies are obviously getting traction.

Bensonofben on May 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM

The NC vote was a foregone conclusion after Bark picked a side.

Whatever side he picks in a fight, bet on the other one. Everything he touches turns into dog meat.

CorporatePiggy on May 9, 2012 at 9:44 AM

100% correct. Probably why some gay marriage proponents are telling other gay marriage proponents to shut up and let him “keep evolving”. Not probably, it IS the reason.

Marcus on May 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Prufrock, amendments to state constitutions have been struck down before for violating the federal Constitution. The question is whether the current Supreme Court thinks bans on SSM violate the equal protection clause. My money is on yes, but we will see.

McDuck on May 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Well, actually, that liberal bigot inthemiddle just showed up.

Right Mover on May 9, 2012 at 9:53 AM

.
Noticed that right after my comment – and it seems to be having a field day with epic failure!

ExpressoBold on May 9, 2012 at 9:57 AM

BacaDog on May 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

becareful with your handle … you could end up on the menu :D

conservative tarheel on May 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I may be wrong… there are many subtleties in the law. But isn’t an amendment to the state constitution unassailable by the state or federal supreme courts? I think this one’s in there solidly.

And 61% — that’s the will of the people, folks.

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 9:52 AM

I hope you’re right. It would hasten the SC picking it up and Kennedy legalizing it.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I hope you’re right. It would hasten the SC picking it up and Kennedy legalizing it.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Reading comprehension fail.

unassailable by the state or federal supreme courts?

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 9:59 AM

A judge will undoubtedly already did overturn NC’s bigotry 0bamacare. If not, SC Justice Kennedy will in a 5-4 decision – which will be expedited by the hatred unconstitutional arrogance shown by 0bama. In any case, who wants to move to redneck NC liberal paradises like Oakland, Detroit, and Washington DC? No big lose loss there!
inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

FIFY

MidniteRambler on May 9, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Are you ready to rumble?

My collie says:

Precedent Obarky had better brace himself for a 57 state blow-out in November.

CyberCipher on May 9, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Nothing is unassailable if it violates the Equal Protection Clause. Too bad for you.

Fail.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Prufrock, amendments to state constitutions have been struck down before for violating the federal Constitution. The question is whether the current Supreme Court thinks bans on SSM violate the equal protection clause. My money is on yes, but we will see.

McDuck on May 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Equal protection is not violated. Gay people can get married, just to people of the opposite sex. Your equal protection argument could then be extended to pedophiles who could argue that their rights are being violated by not being able to marry minors.

Bitter Clinger on May 9, 2012 at 10:04 AM

The problem with recall petitions is its like almost any other petition… when someone is confronted by a volunteer pushing an agenda, most prefer to just sign and move on without offending the volunteer rather than to stand with their convictions. I’ve witnessed it many times… even family members signing something they don’t believe in.

But when it came to a secret ballot- obviously the people of wisconsin voted with their heart to back Walker who’s policies are obviously getting traction.

Bensonofben on May 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM

This also explains the “support” for gay marriage in polls, but it’s widespread defeat when actually put to a vote. You have to wonder how many people say “yes” to a pollster simply to get him off their back, or they’re afraid of being intimidated.

CurtZHP on May 9, 2012 at 10:05 AM

“Hatred”? You mean like this?

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Heh. There seens to be an underlying sexual theme in all those comments. It’s almost like that’s all they think about or something.:)

a capella on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Democracy sucks for the Dems. If gays dont like the result of the vote, its up to them to work the state and convince voters and the legislature to accept same sex marriage.

Udntil then, good luck judge shopping at the Federal level.

rickyricardo on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Equal protection is not violated. Gay people can get married, just to people of the opposite sex. Your equal protection argument could then be extended to pedophiles who could argue that their rights are being violated by not being able to marry minors.

Bitter Clinger on May 9, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Nothing like trotting out the straw man “pedophile” argument to show how someone can be stupid and a bigot simultaneously. The SC doesn’t even need any case in NC. Several in CA will get it there, and the ruling will be enforced in all 50 states ala Roe v. Wade.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

The bigger news out of North Carolina is that the GOP turnout nearly matched the democrat turnout. Democrats have a double-digit registration advantage over the GOP. North Carolina also allows you to register as an “Unaffiliated” voter, so many independents voted in the GOP primary, and, obviously, many black voters voted FOR the marriage amendment.

SouthernGent on May 9, 2012 at 10:07 AM

I’d bet that the DNC will rule that Judd’s ineligibility as a convict will allow them to strip him of whatever delegates he does win, but it’s going to be a little embarrassing nonetheless.

Yet, they would use him in a heartbeat if he will vote Dem.

so-notbuyingit on May 9, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Walkers future is the countrys future.

The single most critical election in the country is the on ein WI.

The public unions need to be crushed and driven from the public sector, with civil service laws reimposed upon federal and state employees.

They are single greatest threat to our country.

rickyricardo on May 9, 2012 at 10:10 AM

November is going to be so cool.

DanMan on May 9, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Seriously? Hahaha. That’s fantastic! Be sure to take some RED velvet cake.

txhsmom on May 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM

LOL- That reminds me, you can’t take baked goods anywhere! It is now illegal. The local volunteer fire department has always asked me to bake a pie for their food stand at the fair. The high school chorus asks for baked goods for their fund-raising spaghetti dinners. Supposedly, you now have to cook everything at the firehall. I haven’t heard of any arrests yet, but I’m not taking any chances!

Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 10:12 AM

One can only conclude from the voting results that the libs “have a messaging problem”.

People DON’T like their message.

GarandFan on May 9, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Nothing like trotting out the straw man “pedophile” argument to show how someone can be stupid and a bigot simultaneously. The SC doesn’t even need any case in NC. Several in CA will get it there, and the ruling will be enforced in all 50 states ala Roe v. Wade.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

It’s not a strawman argument, but then I wouldn’t expect you to get that. Apparently, equal protection is whatever you define it to be.

You do love your Supreme Court edicts. Only way you have to get what you want.

Bitter Clinger on May 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM

AP report healdine In WV Even a Convict got some votes. SOME VOTES? 41% of the Democrats is some votes? Its gonna be a lovely November.

Bensonofben on May 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Excellent article! Funny how elections destroy polls…they all showed stance on gay marriage softening.

tinkerthinker on May 9, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Excellent analysis Ed.

azstrat on May 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Do you support incestuous and polygamist marriage?

Or are you an incestaphobe?

mankai on May 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Was the US Supreme Court “Activist” when they ruled for George W. Bush by a 7-2 Majority in December of 2000?

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Several in CA will get it there, and the ruling will be enforced in all 50 states ala Roe v. Wade.
inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Not a big believer in States’ Rights (or even majority rights) are you kid? Vee Vill force you to do vat vee vant, haters!

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Prufrock, amendments to state constitutions have been struck down before for violating the federal Constitution. The question is whether the current Supreme Court thinks bans on SSM violate the equal protection clause. My money is on yes, but we will see.

McDuck on May 9, 2012 at 9:56 AM

When?

I went looking… still looking. California is not an example, by the way — lawsuits challenge the amendment process used, not the amendment itself. If it is in, it’s in.

Even NC’s turn-of-the-century anti-miscegenation amendment had to be removed by a counter-amendment.

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 10:29 AM

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Fixed.

PS, who wants to go to redneck NC? Why, your Democrat Party, who are holding their 2012 Convention there.

Looser.

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Now THAT was an epic putdown! +10000!

dominigan on May 9, 2012 at 10:29 AM

On Wisconsin!!

I’m glad the indicators are pointing the ‘right’ way… in all 3 states!!

Khun Joe on May 9, 2012 at 10:30 AM

“Hatred”? You mean like this?

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Heh. There seens to be an underlying sexual theme in all those comments. It’s almost like that’s all they think about or something.:)

a capella on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

What I found odd it the fact that almost every one of them urged the people of NC who voted for the amendment to kill themselves. Why would they want to do that? “They Won” I

Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 10:31 AM

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

You’re not much on Representative Republics are you? Put it up to a vote until you don’t like the outcome. I’d say you’re probably closer to the left than the middle.

Go find a judge. It makes your side tyrants.

hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 9:48 AM

They love the words “f*^k” and “go kill yourself”.

Oh, got a new e-mail from Obama 2012:

Hey Joe,

You know that amendment in NC? Well, me and Barack thought it would go our way, we really did. We worked HARD in NC too pass it as I’m sure you did too.

But Joe, you didn’t work hard enough you little f*^k! Why don’t you go kill yourself?

By the way, if you donate $3 you can win a chance to spend the day backstage with Whoopi!! Now who wouldn’t want to win that?

C’mon, I got your back Joe, now get Barack’s.

Sincerely,
Michelle Obama

NYconservative on May 9, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Nothing is unassailable if it violates the Equal Protection Clause. Too bad for you.

Fail.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Um… I’m still looking for concrete examples of the Supreme Court taking on a state constitutional amendment and overturning it.

I really think people have a hard time with this concept. If it’s in a constitution, the courts are tasked to protect that law, not overturn it.

Remember (as I mentioned above) — there was an anti-miscegenation (interracial marriage) amendment on the books in NC until 1971, when they enacted a whole new state constitution. The 1976 Supreme Court amendment had no interaction with the earlier law.

This is uncharted territory — and I think the Supremes may not have jurisdiction.

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Not a big believer in States’ Rights (or even majority rights) are you kid? Vee Vill force you to do vat vee vant, haters!

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:28 AM

I suppose I’d be required by law to say you beat me to it and dentente.

hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 10:35 AM

detente

hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 10:38 AM

But…
But…..
Haven’t you heard…
The Tea Party is Dead!

jaydee_007 on May 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM

What I found odd it the fact that almost every one of them urged the people of NC who voted for the amendment to kill themselves.
Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Yes, that was very strange. One person says it and hundreds of angry twits repeat the same bizarre talking point? I’m thinkin’ it goes into the psychological projection category as it’s not going out on a limb to conclude these people are miserably unhappy misfits…

PS, who wants to go to redneck NC? Why, your Democrat Party, who are holding their 2012 Convention there.
Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM

As an aside, I keep getting emails from David Axelrod urging me to contribute $5.00 to O’s reelection so I can get my name on their Dem-funded NASCAR car.

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:41 AM

detente

hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 10:38 AM

détente

cozmo on May 9, 2012 at 10:42 AM

I suppose I’d be required by law to say you beat me to it and dentente.
hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 10:35 AM

You’ve got a deal!

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:42 AM

The feel the tide is turning….. I’ve got a feeling……not sure what it is, but if this is what Hopenchange feels like…. I can see why people were so easily duped in 2008.

Hope the big MO keeps rolling on. Time to Change the occupier in the WH.

FlaMurph on May 9, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Al dente.

Dentene

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Nice, optimistic article, Ed.
As a Wisconsinite, I am not ready to proclaim victory, but I will remain cautiously optimistic. The left will rally around Barrett now, just as conservatives/Republicans will rally around Romney in Nov(hopefully).
We cannot allow ourselves to become complacent and/or think that if we miss voting in the June recall election it won’t make much difference because Walker is a shoe-in. Especially with that judge stopping the anti-fraud voter ID law, which opens the door for the dems typical election shenanigans.
We need everybody(well, every right-thinking, common-sense conservatives) in Wisconsin to vote for Walker, just to counter-act all the tricks the opposition are bound to play.

Sterling Holobyte on May 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM

détente

cozmo on May 9, 2012 at 10:42 AM

My computer doesn’t do that. It only makes typos.

hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM

You’re not much on Representative Republics are you? Put it up to a vote until you don’t like the outcome. I’d say you’re probably closer to the left than the middle.

Go find a judge. It makes your side tyrants.

hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 10:32 AM

I think his real handle is inthemiddleoftheextremeleft but it didn’t fit when he signed up.

By the way, the score now is…
Redefine Marriage wins 8 – 0 when decided by Courts or Legislatures.
Traditional Marriage wins 33 – 0 when decided by a vote of the people.

Keep in mind that includes the state of Maine where the Legislature said Redefine and the people told them NO Traditional.

jaydee_007 on May 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Um… I’m still looking for concrete examples of the Supreme Court taking on a state constitutional amendment and overturning it.

Romer, in CO. The State voters passed a Constitutional amendment to block gay rights laws, after some town (Boulder, I think), passed one. In a 5-4 decision written by Kennedy, the SC threw out the Amendment.

I’m hoping that Romney wins, then Ginsberg’s cancer flares up so much she has to resign. Followed by a real conservative Justice being appointed, followed by a 5 – 4 decision that upholds CA’s anti-gay marriage constitutional amendment, and that also throws out Lawrence and Romer.

Does anyone recall what the polls were on the NC Amendment? IOW, how much better did the Amendment do in the voting, than it did in the polling?

Greg Q on May 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Here is our next senator from Indiana schooling Soledad O’Brien on the nature of compromise:

http://www.therightscoop.com/mourdock-to-cnn-bipartisanship-should-be-democrats-joining-republicans-to-roll-back-size-of-govt/

esr1951 on May 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM

The NC vote was a foregone conclusion after Bark picked a side.

Whatever side he picks in a fight, bet on the other one. Everything he touches turns into dog meat.

CorporatePiggy on May 9, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Exactly. And, this is true going all the way back to the midterms in ’10. Corzine lost big in NJ, after The Won went to the mattresses for him, and McDonnell similarly won in Va. even after the Dems previewed their “war on women” meme against him.

Can anyone think of a non-Washington political win for the President anywhere in the last two years?

This election is very winnable, if we make it so.

MTF on May 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM

But Joe, you didn’t work hard enough you little redneck f*^k! Why don’t you go kill yourself?
NYconservative on May 9, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Edited for clarity.

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:48 AM

My computer doesn’t do that. It only makes typos.

hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Same here, but I cheat and goggle then copy the correct version.

cozmo on May 9, 2012 at 10:48 AM

By the way, the score now is…
Redefine Marriage wins 8 – 0 when decided by Courts or Legislatures.
Traditional Marriage wins 33 – 0 when decided by a vote of the people.

Keep in mind that includes the state of Maine where the Legislature said Redefine and the people told them NO Traditional.

Firstly, that’s not entirely true. NY passed it through their legislature, so did Hawaii and VT. However, ‘m tired of people saying gay marriage is “banned.” Its not banned, it’s not recognized. Gay people can still have weddings and still consider themselves married socially. It’s just not recognized by the government. We shouldn’t be asking if the government should recognize gay marriage, we should be asking why the government has been granted the moral authority to define marriage.

Interracial marriage was banned during Jim Crow, bigamy and polygamy are banned today, gay marriage isn’t.

cpaulus on May 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Romer, in CO. The State voters passed a Constitutional amendment to block gay rights laws, after some town (Boulder, I think), passed one. In a 5-4 decision written by Kennedy, the SC threw out the Amendment.

Thanks. Far better to know what’s really out there than to live in blissful ignorance.

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM

My computer doesn’t do that. It only makes typos.

hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Same here, but I cheat and goggle then copy the correct version.

cozmo on May 9, 2012 at 10:48 AM

If you’re lucky enough to be on a Mac, just option-e for the accent and then type the letter you want it applied to.

Example:

option-e a -> á
or
option-` e -> è

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Can anyone think of a non-Washington political win for the President anywhere in the last two years?

This election is very winnable, if we make it so.

MTF on May 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Zero did not help Coakley win the “Kennedy Seat” in Mass. either.

dogsoldier on May 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

PS, who wants to go to redneck NC? Why, your Democrat Party, who are holding their 2012 Convention there.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM

As an aside, I keep getting emails from David Axelrod urging me to contribute $5.00 to O’s reelection so I can get my name on their Dem-funded NASCAR car.

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:41 AM

The Blue States of California and New York each have over twice the number of auto race tracks as NC does. Harry Reid’s state has an almost identical number.

The tiny Blue State of KeninCT has 5 tracks, and those tracks have nearly 30 NASCAR events this season alone. Joe Biden’s tiny Blue State has 3 race tracks. The Blue State of Pennsylvania has 23.

The Blue State of Wisconsin has 25 race tracks. Its Blue neighbor Minnesota has 18.

Plenty of Rednecks in all of those places…

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Yes, that was very strange. One person says it and hundreds of angry twits repeat the same bizarre talking point? I’m thinkin’ it goes into the psychological projection category as it’s not going out on a limb to conclude these people are miserably unhappy misfits…

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Could be. I was thinking that they are too chicken to come right out and say they want to kill people.

Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM

“No Preference” – now there’s a candidate I can get excited about!

</snark

firegnome on May 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

By the way, the score now is…
Redefine Marriage wins 8 – 0 when decided by Courts or Legislatures.
Traditional Marriage wins 33 – 0 when decided by a vote of the people.

Keep in mind that includes the state of Maine where the Legislature said Redefine and the people told them NO Traditional.

Firstly, that’s not entirely true. NY passed it through their legislature, so did Hawaii and VT. However, ‘m tired of people saying gay marriage is “banned.” Its not banned, it’s not recognized. Gay people can still have weddings and still consider themselves married socially. It’s just not recognized by the government. We shouldn’t be asking if the government should recognize gay marriage, we should be asking why the government has been granted the moral authority to define marriage.

Interracial marriage was banned during Jim Crow, bigamy and polygamy are banned today, gay marriage isn’t.

cpaulus on May 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Excuse me but it is Entirely True.
No State has ever passed the Redifinition of Marriage through a vote of the people. It has only been Redefined via the Legislature (As I said and as NY, Vt, and Hi that you mention) or by an edict from the courts (as in Ma).

jaydee_007 on May 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Same here, but I cheat and goggle then copy the correct version.
cozmo on May 9, 2012 at 10:48 AM

That’s what I do. So, while we’re on this topic…détente?

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

All of that makes for a very bad night indeed for Democrats, and a pretty good indicator which way the wind is blowing before the general election.

Despite the spin you will hear from the media pundits and the Washington beltway “Republicans”, Dick Lugar’s departure is a continuation of the 2010 election cycle that is still purging incumbents that embrace the “business as usual” mentality in Congress. The run-away federal spending programs and policies are being rejected across both the political spectrums, (including moderate Democrats and independents).

The backlash of a failed health care law, (the “affordable health care act”), that is still seeing skyrocketing premiums—before the provisions even kick in—-and the HHS’s thousands of waivers passed out, is enough to tell the working taxpayer who will be getting screwed when this is all over. (and we’re still trying to read what’s in it, Mz. Pelosi).

Confidence is waning on an Obama administration that has decided to campaign on further dividing the nation with gender and class warfare tactics, (think OWS), and the tinge of racial overtones, all divisions that President Obama promised in 2008 he would dissolve with hope and change. His declaration that “he would fundamentally change how Washington works”, has turned out to be the same old joke on the American public, (and an expensive one at that with an additional four trillion in debt added to our expanding federal government).

With the American public, (mostly working taxpayers with families), being asked to tighten their belts and be patient, they’re seeing their federal government spending billions like there’s no tomorrow. Dick Lugar’s departure is just the beginning of what the general public, (and yes The Tea Party Patriots), will be rejecting in the coming months and in November—the “business as usual” spending policies in Washington.

Rovin on May 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Poor cher…

Bensonofben on May 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM

…détente?

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

détente

cozmo on May 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM

But Joe, you didn’t work hard enough you little redneck f*^k! Why don’t you go kill yourself?
NYconservative on May 9, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Edited for clarity.

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Ya’ done did purty good Danish, yeah, ya’ done good.

NYconservative on May 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM

“Hatred”? You mean like this?

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Classic liberal/gay b!tchiness. Too funny.

Jaibones on May 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM

But the only race track that really matters is right here in Indy and it opens for practice this Saturday – Yowza!!!

tommyboy on May 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Does anyone recall what the polls were on the NC Amendment? IOW, how much better did the Amendment do in the voting, than it did in the polling?

Greg Q on May 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM

I don’t remember any exact numbers but I seem to recall it being in the 52-53% neighborhood. Certainly nowhere near the 61% it actually got.

Bitter Clinger on May 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

No State has ever passed the Redifinition of Marriage through a vote of the people. It has only been Redefined via the Legislature (As I said and as NY, Vt, and Hi that you mention) or by an edict from the courts (as in Ma).

jaydee_007 on May 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Apparently you can’t grasp the idea of a representative government. When you vote for your representatives in Congress, you are letting them vote on your behalf. Just because you aren’t personally ticking a box doesn’t mean that the vote isn’t valid or one representing the people. If that’s the case, we wouldn’t have Congress at all – we’d all just go to the ballot box for every single issue. The way your Congressional leaders vote is a reflection of your views – because you put them there to represent you!

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 11:00 AM

No State has ever passed the Redifinition of Marriage through a vote of the people. It has only been Redefined via the Legislature (As I said and as NY, Vt, and Hi that you mention) or by an edict from the courts (as in Ma).

jaydee_007 on May 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Sorry, I somehow missed the next line about legislatures. My bad.

I still think the whole question is misguided. Marriage is a religious sacrament for some people, why would the government have any authority over that.?

cpaulus on May 9, 2012 at 11:00 AM

I suspect the lopsided numbers are more an indication of how unpopular gay marriage is with black voters. Obama is trying to ride the fence between anti-gay faction and pro-gay factions of his party, and the fence is real hard and kinda splintery – rough-cut oak I think.

forest on May 9, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Squish Like Grape

mechkiller_k on May 9, 2012 at 11:00 AM

And the Money Quote is:

…With the American public, (mostly working taxpayers with families), being asked to tighten their belts and be patient, they’re seeing their federal government spending billions like there’s no tomorrow. Dick Lugar’s departure is just the beginning of what the general public, (and yes The Tea Party Patriots), will be rejecting in the coming months and in November—the “business as usual” spending policies in Washington.

Rovin on May 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Yeah!

What He Siad!

jaydee_007 on May 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Could be. I was thinking that they are too chicken to come right out and say they want to kill people.
Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Remember when DIE YUPPIE SCUM was such a hit in the ’80s?

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Thank you Wisconsin and to my home state of Indiana.

A special thanks to WV.

Will be interesting to see how pravda, err gannett will spin this.

acyl72 on May 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM

détente
cozmo on May 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 11:05 AM

What is interesting about the Indiana election is that the numbers didn’t start really moving in Murdocks direction until Sarah came out for him. After her endorsement there was a 10 point swing in just a few days. And the needle never stopped moving in that direction.

tommyboy on May 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Remember when DIE YUPPIE SCUM was such a hit in the ’80s?

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM

No, I don’t. Who was saying it?

Night Owl on May 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

The Democrats just don’t get it, “it’s the economy stupid”. But, what else would you expect from the tax and spend party.

DDay on May 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

More proof OPERATION COUNTERACT is fully operational: 21% of North Carolina DEMOCRATIC voters chose “NO PREFERENCE”.

Mutnodjmet on May 9, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Equal protection is not violated. Gay people can get married, just to people of the opposite sex. Your equal protection argument could then be extended to pedophiles who could argue that their rights are being violated by not being able to marry minors.

Bitter Clinger on May 9, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I’m probably more socially moderate than most people here and I support civil unions. This is one of the reasons why. I feel very strongly there need to be age restrictions on homosexual unions. Otherwise, I could see unscrupulous people preying on young males and “marrying” them to get around any form of legal protection of the child. If a civil union limits the lower age to 18, I’d be less concerned.

Slightly off topic, but on the slippery slope theme-has anyone realized that it looks like both of the presidential candidates this year are descended from polygamists? Obama’s father and Romney’s great-grandfather.
Everybody still think legalizing gay marriage isn’t the first step toward legalizing polygamy?
Don’t Muslims have the right to practice their religion which includes the practice of polygamy?

talkingpoints on May 9, 2012 at 11:10 AM

détente
cozmo on May 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Buy Danish on May 9, 2012 at 11:05 AM

And the day got even better.

Later all.

hawkdriver on May 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I’m probably more socially moderate than most people here and I support civil unions. This is one of the reasons why. I feel very strongly there need to be age restrictions on homosexual unions. Otherwise, I could see unscrupulous people preying on young males and “marrying” them to get around any form of legal protection of the child. If a civil union limits the lower age to 18, I’d be less concerned.

Yes, because we all know unscrupulous straight perverts have never harmed young girls. Only gay men are sexual deviants.

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

No State has ever passed the Redifinition of Marriage through a vote of the people. It has only been Redefined via the Legislature (As I said and as NY, Vt, and Hi that you mention) or by an edict from the courts (as in Ma).

jaydee_007 on May 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Apparently you can’t grasp the idea of a representative government. When you vote for your representatives in Congress, you are letting them vote on your behalf. Just because you aren’t personally ticking a box doesn’t mean that the vote isn’t valid or one representing the people. If that’s the case, we wouldn’t have Congress at all – we’d all just go to the ballot box for every single issue. The way your Congressional leaders vote is a reflection of your views – because you put them there to represent you!

inthemiddle on May 9, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Apparently you cannot grasp the concept of a Representative Government.
When you vote for a Representative they are supposed to Represent you in Congress. Not Rule You!
They are supposed to Actually Express your views while in the Legislature, for you and operate at all times from that standpoint.

Since all power emenates from The People /strong> (a pharase that appears Nine Times in the Constitution including the first three words) and therefore The People at all times reserve the right to Overrule their Servants (got that Servants not Rulers) that they have elected.

Check out the State Constitutions, most of them include that very language. Oh, that’s right, you don’t beleive in State’s Rights or Federalism, you want Central Government with Rulers, not servants.

jaydee_007 on May 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

If you’re lucky enough to be on a Mac, just option-e for the accent and then type the letter you want it applied to.

Example:

option-e a -> á
or
option-` e -> è

Prufrock on May 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

I did not know that … thank you …. :D

conservative tarheel on May 9, 2012 at 11:14 AM

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