Open thread: Lugargeddon; Update: Mourdock wins; Update: Lugar hits Mourdock’s “unrelenting partisan mindset”; Update: NC bans gay marriage and civil unions; Update: Massive GOP turnout for Scott Walker; Update: Obama facing stiff challenge in WV from … federal inmate

posted at 5:21 pm on May 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

The polls in Indiana close promptly at 6 p.m. ET. If you believe the latest numbers, we’ll get a call sooner rather than later. How did it come to this? WaPo:

At the start of 2011, Lugar met with senior party strategists who walked him through the mistakes made by the likes of Murkowski and Bennett — and emphasized how he too was vulnerable unless he took a far more aggressive approach to the possibility of a primary fight. Lugar chose not to heed those warnings.

Instead, the senator seemed to believe — wrongly — that his situation was unique, that his connection to voters in the Hoosier State went deeper and was, therefore, tougher to break than those of his losing colleagues…

“Conventional wisdom is that he should have gone nuclear early, but that would have killed him out of the gate,” said one Republican strategist who has worked in the state and is sympathetic to the incumbent. “Indiana would simply not have accepted that from him.”

The other problem for Lugar, according to the source, was that there was never a clean hit available on Mourdock that matched the incumbent’s support for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), his votes on judges, nagging residency questions, and, yes, the friendliness between him and President Obama. (Lugar has been floated as a possible Defense Secretary in the Obama Administration.)

Contrast Lugar’s lackadaisical approach with Orrin Hatch’s aggressive backstage maneuvering to make sure this year’s Utah GOP convention was more favorably disposed to him than the last one was to Bob Bennett. The result: Lugar’s headed for retirement while Hatch came within a whisker of clinching the nomination outright and will probably win the runoff against Dan Liljenquist. Assuming it plays out that way, the conventional wisdom among Republican incumbents will be set in cement. From now on, if you see a tea-party challenge coming, you follow the McCain/Hatch approach and confront it proactively and expeditiously. There’ll be no more Bennetts or Lugars who get caught napping in the primary; from now on, everyone’s awake. I’m not sure how grassroots conservatives will counter that but I’d bet on a bigger role for outfits like FreedomWorks and the rise of tea-party Super PACs which can aggregate funds and launch damaging broadsides against incumbents before they’ve consolidated a lead against their primary opponents.

As for why a nice man like Dick Lugar needs to be retired, James Antle sums it up:

Peggy Noonan also stressed family ties when making the case for sending Lugar back to the Senate: “What Washington needs is sober and responsible adults.” Noonan didn’t disclose who the children were in this relationship.

But it is the sober and responsible adults who have accumulated a national debt larger than the country’s economy. There are two ways to demonstrate one’s sobriety and responsibility in Washington: to be as supportive of druken sailor-style fiscal irresponsibility as possible or to be as timid as possible in opposition to it.

Over in the Greenroom, Karl reminds Noonan that she seemed to have a handle on this logic not so long ago. Simply put, if you’re bracing for a brutal political war over sustainability in the age of entitlements, you’re probably not going to get much from a genial grandfatherly type whose tenure has seen more than $14 trillion added in federal debt. (Same goes for Hatch, do note.) More from Dan McLaughlin:

As I’ve noted before, besides the various ideological and cultural divides within the GOP, a core dividing line is over a sense of urgency to contain the runaway growth of federal spending and the reach of the federal government. It is difficult to picture Lugar and Hatch, as a pair of courtly octogenarians, having the necessary energy not only to seek what is apt to be a difficult partisan confrontation over these issues, but to put pressure on a president from their own party. And while Utah voters will surely be excited to go to the polls for Romney, conservative voters in other states like Indiana will need more encouragement – not yet another message that the establishment has shut them out. That’s good news in Ohio, where a fresh face (State Treasurer Josh Mandel) is on the ballot facing accused wife-beater Sherrod Brown; it may be more difficult to manage in some other races. And building a critical mass of such candidates (Mandel, Liljenquist, Mourdock, Ted Cruz in Texas, Jeff Flake in Arizona, Don Stenberg in Nebraska, Mark Neumann in Wisconsin, possibly a few others who haven’t proven themselves just yet) will make it easier to convince conservatives nationwide that even with Romney at the top, and even with some Senate races where we are resigned to moderates (Dean Heller, Scott Brown, Linda Lingle) or establishment-minded conservatives (George Allen), the party has not completely lost touch with the lessons of its victories in 2010.

Beyond all of this, on a gut level, the careerism evinced by an 80-year-old pleading for one more term in the Senate after serving 36 years is simply grotesque. (Again, same goes for Hatch.) I used to oppose term limits on grounds that the people should be fully free to choose their representatives but over time I’ve come to think the greater danger than slightly limiting their choices is letting a permanent political class calcify. If you want bold solutions to grave national problems, one surefire way to encourage them is to free politicians from reelection considerations. Give ‘em two terms in the Senate and, let’s say, six in the House and you might finally see some movement on entitlements. Might.

Here’s the Google Elections page for tracking results. Two other important races tonight. First, in Wisconsin, Democrats will choose a recall challenger for Scott Walker. Labor’s candidate is Kathleen Falk but Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett is favored; the contest is bitter enough that a post-election party unity rally has been canceled, so sit back and enjoy as Trumka and his pals in Wisconsin fume. The other big contest is the North Carolina vote that would ban gay marriage — and civil unions. If the last poll is right, the vote won’t be close: It’s 55/39 in favor of the ban in a state O won in 2008, which helps explain why he’s keeping his head down on this subject this week. Gallup’s out with a new gay-marriage poll today too showing 50 percent support nationally versus 48 percent opposition, but the key is the demographics. Greg Sargent:

It’s been widely reported that Obama fears coming out for marriage equality because it could alienate culturally conservative Dems and independents in swing states. Perhaps, but sizable majorities of moderates and independents support it, making Obama’s stance all the more mystifying (though no one believes he actually opposes it).

That said, there is one other interesting data point: Gallup tells me that non-college voters oppose gay marriage by 56-43. This appears to include African Americans, but it also suggests blue collar whites — a demographic Obama has alienated and needs to win back — risk getting put off over the issue. (Incidentally, as Molly Ball points out, non-whites oppose gay marriage in almost exactly the same proportions as the rest of Americans do.)

That’s why President Gutsy Call makes his flack go out to the podium and give ridiculous non-answers like this. The polls in Carolina close at 7:30 ET. Stand by for updates, needless to say.

Update: Looks like the Google Elections link I gave you is following the by-now-meaningless presidential primary results. For Lugar/Mourdock returns, click here.

Update: That didn’t take long. Lugar’s Senate career is over.

NBC News has declared Richard Mourdock as the projected winner in the Indiana Senate primary. Mourdock defeated Republican foreign policy elder statesman Sen. Richard Lugar…

Looking toward the November election, National Republican Senatorial Committee chairman Sen. John Cornyn of Texas said two weeks ago that “it will probably make it more of a contest if Sen. Lugar is not the nominee, but I’m confident we’ll hold the seat.”

Not such a good night for this guy either, huh?

Update: What now for Lugar, then? He’s eager to work for another six years despite his advanced age, but he hasn’t been a private-sector guy for a long, long time. He’s friends with Obama so presumably The One will appoint him to something. Any ambassadorships open? Forget Pakistan; I mean something less stressful.

Update: Go figure that a careerist would turn bitter when finally forced to answer to his constituents.

Of Mourdock, Lugar says: “His embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance.”

More:

Lugar: “Our political system is losing its ability to explore alternatives. … Voters will be electing a slate of inflexible positions.”

Jonah Goldberg joked earlier on Twitter that they’ll be wearing funeral attire tomorrow on “Morning Joe.” He’s only half-kidding: Prepare for a solid day’s worth of truly insufferable media navel-gazing about the “loss of moderation” and tea-party “radicalism,” yadda yadda yadda.

Update: Philip Klein sees the value in sending a message to Romney:

Any elected Republican that doesn’t pursue a small government agenda once in office risks suffering the same fate as Lugar. Had Lugar hung on, then a lot of people would have dismissed the Tea Party as a passing fad from 2010. But now it’s clear that the movement has been underestimated once again. Tea Partiers have a lot more staying power than skeptics expected.

With the Republican presidential nomination going to the ideologically malleable Mitt Romney, supporters of limited government have recognized that their best hope for advancing the conservative agenda rests on the ability to elect as many principled conservatives to Congress as possible. That is, lawmakers who will be willing to fight for smaller government even if it means standing up to a president of their own party. The more victories the Tea Party racks up, the greater the chance that Romney will be forced to govern as a limited government conservative if elected, even if his natural inclination is to migrate to the left.

Update: Very curious. Looks like the prepared statement that Lugar released earlier was much more critical of Mourdock than the remarks he ended up delivering. Compare and contrast. Maybe his speechwriters drafted something and he thought it was too bitter? Here’s the relevant passage from the prepared remarks:

He and I share many positions, but his embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance and my experience of what brings results for Hoosiers in the Senate. In effect, what he has promised in this campaign is reflexive votes for a rejectionist orthodoxy and rigid opposition to the actions and proposals of the other party. His answer to the inevitable roadblocks he will encounter in Congress is merely to campaign for more Republicans who embrace the same partisan outlook. He has pledged his support to groups whose prime mission is to cleanse the Republican party of those who stray from orthodoxy as they see it…

I don’t remember a time when so many topics have become politically unmentionable in one party or the other. Republicans cannot admit to any nuance in policy on climate change. Republican members are now expected to take pledges against any tax increases. For two consecutive Presidential nomination cycles, GOP candidates competed with one another to express the most strident anti-immigration view, even at the risk of alienating a huge voting bloc. Similarly, most Democrats are constrained when talking about such issues as entitlement cuts, tort reform, and trade agreements. Our political system is losing its ability to even explore alternatives. If fealty to these pledges continues to expand, legislators may pledge their way into irrelevance. Voters will be electing a slate of inflexible positions rather than a leader.

I hope that as a nation we aspire to more than that.

Update: As expected, North Carolina’s initiative to ban all forms of same-sex unions wins in a romp. Probably won’t hear too much more about gay marriage from Joe Biden during this campaign.

Update: How’s this for a beautiful result? Count the vote totals — and remember that the Democratic primary was the one being hotly contested while its GOP counterpart was a walkover:

Walker’s banked considerably more votes than Barrett and Falk combined. Message sent.

Update: And at last, we arrive at the most surreal story of the night. I think we can go ahead and put West Virginia in the Romney column for November:

With 60-odd percent of the vote counted in West Virginia’s Democratic primary, a man named Keith Judd can make a unique claim. He has won a greater proportion of the vote — almost 40 percent — than any other primary candidate running against Barack Obama.

Who’s Keith Judd? He’s prisoner #11593-051, currently serving out a sentence for making threats at the University of New Mexico.

With 74 percent reporting in West Virginia, Obama leads Judd 60/40. Inmate #11593-051 may end up winning a delegate.

Update: Jon Gabriel tweets, “It’ll be ironic if Eric Holder ends up being Keith Judd’s cellmate.”

Update: You ready for this? Joe Manchin refuses to say whether he voted for Obama in the Democratic primary in West Virginia.


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Incumbent Renee Ellmers has won the nomination in North Carolina’s 2nd district.
topdawg on May 8, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Tried to prevent that. But none of the other candidates got any recognition.

LoganSix on May 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

theoddmanout on May 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM

So move. I doubt you’ll be missed.

This site is getting more looney liberals than Kos.

bw222 on May 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

arnold ziffel on May 8, 2012 at 9:47 PM

There are certainly some good people – citizens – out there that are elected and truly represent. Term limits and laws that apply to congress and the people alike would go a long way in solving the problems of our government. (Also, the government needs to stop creating (fake) “problems” that require (fake) “solutions.”)

It doesn’t take a genius to represent. When they and we think they are smarter than they really are, that is what gets us into trouble!

Seems like we would be reminded of how smart they truly are, say, every time they open their mouth.

Hueydriver on May 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Oh man – one of my facebook friends is NOT happy about the NC result. I would post it but it would get me banned.

gophergirl on May 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Strawman alert

4Grace on May 8, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Not a straw man at all but if you prefer an example closer to the topic….

If the will of the people was that interracial marriages should be forbidden then would that make such a ban okay?

alchemist19 on May 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM

It appears that they don’t recognize anything but the marriage of a man and a woman.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/amendment-one-north-carolina-anti-gay-marriage-measure-passes/

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

No shock that bigotry won in NC.

McDuck on May 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM

A comment against bigotry that stereotypes an entire state. Funny.

29Victor on May 8, 2012 at 9:34 PM

But it was a southern state, so that’s okay.

At least, that seems to be the rule.

tom on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

In my county, it’s currently 73.47% in favor and 26.53% against the amendment. Of course we’re in a congressional district that hasn’t sent a Dim-o-crat to Washington since Nixon’s first term. Thank God.

cicerone on May 8, 2012 at 8:55 PM

I am in a blue area … and it is ahead here …
lots of church vans in the parking lots …

conservative tarheel on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Tried to prevent that. But none of the other candidates got any recognition.

LoganSix on May 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

I donated to Renee Ellmers three times in 2010 (twice during the election period and once for a recount). I won’t make that mistake again.

bw222 on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Love always wins over hate. One day, y’all will be like those photos of screaming white racist segregationists in my kids’ school books.

lostmotherland on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Early voting starts next week-correct?

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I think it’s May 14 – 25. I haven’t seen any senatorial yard signs down here in the Houston area yet? Mainly state rep and congressional rep ones. Any up in your neck of the woods? Cruz has really been making the rounds down here. I heard him about 6 months ago at a tea party forum and he really stood out among the rest. Dewhurst is cut out of the Cornyn/KBH cloth.

TxAnn56 on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

No shock that bigotry won in NC.Enough said.

McDuck on May 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM

You RACIST!

…many rural, heavily African-American counties that strongly supported Obama in the 2008 contest overwhelmingly backed the gay marriage ban. In Hertford County, which is over 60 percent African-American, Obama won 70 percent of the vote in 2008 but it voted heavily for Amendment 1 (3,817 yes votes; 1,627 no votes).

In Bertie County, the most African-American county in the state (over 62 percent), Obama garnered over 65 percent of the vote. The county isn’t reporting final results for the amendment, but 2,703 are currently voting yes while just 951 voted no. Source

Flora Duh on May 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

BTW, Nancy Pelosi, leader of the Dems in the House is FAR from moderate or even representative of the politics of the average citizen.

MeatHeadinCA on May 8, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I live here as you do too, and I don’t even think most Californians are OK with that nut—-I could be way wrong.

arnold ziffel on May 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

No shock that bigotry won in NC.Enough said.

Good to see Lugar get the boot. He is right that the party is getting too rigid though.

McDuck on May 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Your comment about bigotry isn’t rigid? Doesn’t seem very open minded to me. Is the party is only flexible when it agrees with the left?

Kjeil on May 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

O/T Gov. Perry looking good on Greta!!

bluefox on May 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Oh man – one of my facebook friends is NOT happy about the NC result. I would post it but it would get me banned.

gophergirl on May 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

*wonders if gophergirl is his friend on Facebook*

sobincorporated on May 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

NC is going republican in November

Conservative4ev on May 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

O/T Gov. Perry looking good on Greta!!

bluefox on May 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

What could have been. SIGH

gophergirl on May 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

If the will of the people was that everyone with blue eyes should be flogged in the public square on the first Friday of every month would that make it okay?

alchemist19 on May 8, 2012 at 9:53 PM

That would be unconstitutional because it singles out blue eyed people. Defining marriage as being between a single man and a single women does not apply to only blue eyed people, but to everyone.

Does repeating the same bad arguments repeatedly eventually make them good arguments every other blue moon between 2AM and 4AM?

NotCoach on May 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Love always wins over hate. One day, y’all will be like those photos of screaming white racist segregationists in my kids’ school books.

lostmotherland on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Was “dramaqueen” already picked for a screen name? PS, I don’t think most Blacks are OK with gay marriage.

arnold ziffel on May 8, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Tried to prevent that. But none of the other candidates got any recognition.

LoganSix on May 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Why are you unhappy with Rep. Renee Ellmers?

joana on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Strawman alert

4Grace on May 8, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Not a straw man at all but if you prefer an example closer to the topic….

If the will of the people was that interracial marriages should be forbidden then would that make such a ban okay?

alchemist19 on May 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Again, I call BS. A person’s skin color/race is not equatable with a person’s sexual orientation/preference.

4Grace on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

A comment against bigotry that stereotypes an entire state. Funny.

29Victor on May 8, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Does it still count as a stereotype if it’s true? Or is he misreading the election results?

alchemist19 on May 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM

It has absolutely nothing to do with election results. It has to do with the commenter’s assertion of “bigotry” and that he was not surprised by it. He may as well have written “North Carolinians are a bunch of bigots, which I knew already.” And that is stereotyping.

It is closely related to the “NO H8″ campain in California and elsewhere. The implication is that people who don’t believe that same-sex marriage should be legal are motivated by hate.

29Victor on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

TxAnn56 on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

There’s a HUGE Cruz sign that I pass on my way to work-and one very small Dewhurst one. No Mitt signs-mainly because this is Ronulan-Bircher central.
I think Cruz will do well here.
As for the GOP nomination for Pres-we’re voting Mitt.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM

As far as I know it enshrines current NC in the NC constitution. Current NC law allows for people to enter into contracts with each other.

NotCoach on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Bravo, Tea Partiers and conservatives of every stripe. This RINO douche needed to retire and lacked the simple moral decency and integrity to do so. Mourdock will be infinitely better for Indiana.

As for the whiners who think Mourdock will lose to hypocrite and pro-abortion Catholic poseur Joe Donnelley, I can only say “heh” to you. Mourdock for Senator. Bravo!

Jaibones on May 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM

BTW, Nancy Pelosi, leader of the Dems in the House is FAR from moderate or even representative of the politics of the average citizen.

MeatHeadinCA on May 8, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Nancy’s district is so volatile, when she meets with her constituents she has to have a room full of security. There is footage of her at a town hall and Nancy has about 6 members of her security team at the podium with her. She is that frighten of them.

Kjeil on May 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I am absolutely ashamed and embarrassed of my state right now. I was really, really hoping that we could be one of the only southern states to successfully fight against religious fascism and prevent the social cons from sullying the state constitution with anti-gay nonsense. Obviously, I was wrong. Looks like we aren’t so different from SC after all.

theoddmanout on May 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM

I just got back from Charleston SC and I wish my State was more like SC

Conservative4ev on May 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Lugar’s campaign and post-election remarks demonstrate why we need to get rid of the RINOs: Everything is to be compromised, even whether to feed the country poison.

GaltBlvnAtty on May 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM

*wonders if gophergirl is his friend on Facebook*

sobincorporated on May 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Huh?

gophergirl on May 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM

For those not paying attention, Scott Walker, in an UNCONTESTED PRIMARY, is currently leading the combined Democratic recall vote in their contested one.

That is a huge deal. If it holds up — or if Walker is even somewhat behind on his side to the contested Dem vote on the other side — it’s a terrible, terrible omen for the Dems in the recall.

Esoteric on May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

PS, I don’t think most Blacks are OK with gay marriage.

So what? A majority of white Southerners probably would vote to ban interracial marriage too. that doesn’t make it right. Maybe you hayseeds should secede and leave the twenty-first century to the rest of us. Oh, and good luck in November.

lostmotherland on May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

ha ha ha moron North Carolina f*ckheads you passed your ban without having a clue about what it really means for non-gay domestic partnerships.

You deserve every nightmare that’s coming your state’s way.

I can’t wait.

Dave Rywall on May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Why are you unhappy with Rep. Renee Ellmers?

joana on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

She’ll go which ever way the DC Republicans will blow her. She’s stands for whatever someone else tells her. We don’t need more people going along with the status quo, we need people to fix the problems in DC.

LoganSix on May 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Rick Perry is knocking it out of the park.

gophergirl on May 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

wait, so you guys are actually going to stand behind the absurd idea that lugar is not conservative “enough”? heaven forbid a senator do his duties and advise and consent for scotus appointess. he should oppose all of them, and be as political on every issue as possible. screw working together and doing what’s good for the country instead of what’s good for the party!

TheBlueSite on May 8, 2012 at 9:01 PM

I am so amazed at lib dems .. conservatives are the ones who are
suppose to move to the left correct …
the Libs never have to move right …

conservative tarheel on May 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

MeatHeadinCA on May 8, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Compromise is only for the Republicans.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

We’re against gay marriage but strongly support civil unions. Since the amendment bans civil unions-if we had lived in NC we would’ve voted against it.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

ha ha ha moron North Carolina f*ckheads you passed your ban without having a clue about what it really means for non-gay domestic partnerships.

You deserve every nightmare that’s coming your state’s way.

I can’t wait.

Dave Rywall on May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Are you in the wedding business? I’m guessing it will pick up then.

LoganSix on May 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Republicans cannot admit to any nuance in policy on climate change. Republican members are now expected to take pledges against any tax increases. For two consecutive Presidential nomination cycles, GOP candidates competed with one another to express the most strident anti-immigration view, even at the risk of alienating a huge voting bloc.

He’s using the language of the left. “Climate Change”. “anti-immigration”? How about anti-ILLEGAL-immigration?? I’ve never heard of a Republican being against immigration. But they’re in favor of the rule of law. This guy is a Republican?

Paul-Cincy on May 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Same-sex marriage: Wins all the polls, loses all the elections.

Which raises the Big Question in the minds of progressives everywhere: “How are we going to fix these broken elections?”

tom on May 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

If the will of the people was that interracial marriages should be forbidden then would that make such a ban okay?

alchemist19 on May 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Exact same strawman dummy. You are still providing an example of unequal treatment under the law. What unequal treatment exists when gay marriage is denied?

NotCoach on May 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

The no-compromise and anti-bipartisanship strategy of the Tea Party prevents it from playing any meaningful role in a democratic system other than blocking any idea or bill that fails its ideological litmus test.

bayam on May 8, 2012 at 8:31 PM

You’re catching on nicely.

katy the mean old lady on May 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

It has absolutely nothing to do with election results. It has to do with the commenter’s assertion of “bigotry” and that he was not surprised by it. He may as well have written “North Carolinians are a bunch of bigots, which I knew already.” And that is stereotyping.

It is closely related to the “NO H8″ campain in California and elsewhere. The implication is that people who don’t believe that same-sex marriage should be legal are motivated by hate.

29Victor on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Exactly. Being against Gay Marriage does not mean you “hate” GLBT individuals. To argue that you have to accept the many similar liberal arguments that if you are against x, y, or z policy you “hate” poor people, minorities, etc.

Bluray on May 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Bmore, your first question is a little silly. We all know what NC voted on today, so it was pretty obvious what I was talking about.You may not agree that its bigotry, but that is a different matter

As for your other question, I think the party is losing its big tent essence. Anyone who deviates on even one issue now is considered a RINO. This is causing our representatives to feel like they have no room to do anything that isn’t 100% pure even if it would be wiser to negotiate. I do not think this is a smart strategy in the long run.

McDuck on May 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

lostmotherland on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Disagreeing does not amount to hate.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

but his embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance and my experience of what brings results for Hoosiers in the Senate. In effect, what he has promised in this campaign is reflexive votes for a rejectionist orthodoxy and rigid opposition to the actions and proposals of the other party.

so again conservatives are suppose to change their stance but Dems don’t
have to change … ha get over yourself dick …

conservative tarheel on May 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Ted Cruz is closing in the polls. He won our GOP county convention straw poll with 54% of the vote.

PatrickHenry599 on May 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM

ha ha ha moron North Carolina f*ckheads you passed your ban without having a clue about what it really means for non-gay domestic partnerships.

You deserve every nightmare that’s coming your state’s way.

I can’t wait.

Dave Rywall on May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Two names: Jay Parmley, Bev Purdue.

LOL.

Bluray on May 8, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Love always wins over hate. One day, y’all will be like those photos of screaming white racist segregationists in my kids’ school books.

lostmotherland on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Outrageous comment..I love everyone, including gay people.. i just don’t support gay marriage..you get that? you comparing me to the KKK???? get out of here troll

sadsushi on May 8, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Buh-bye Lugar! Good riddance!

I understand the debate about marriage as an ancient institution, but civil unions? Cmon! To lump both these subjects together was just dumb.

Valkyriepundit on May 8, 2012 at 10:16 PM

This is the reason what dems in NJ want the gay marriage issue to be voted on. It would lose badly

Conservative4ev on May 8, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Exactly. Being against Gay Marriage does not mean you “hate” GLBT individuals. To argue that you have to accept the many similar liberal arguments that if you are against x, y, or z policy you “hate” poor people, minorities, etc.

Bluray on May 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Yup. It’s an attempt to discredit the person instead of responding to their argument. It’s also quite handy for discouraging others from voicing their beliefs or listening to the beliefs of someone you disagree with.

29Victor on May 8, 2012 at 10:16 PM

NC is going republican in November

Conservative4ev on May 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

There has to be some tears flowing in Chicago tonight. I think their dreams of AZ and NC are just that. Dreams. We’re gonna get VI back as well.

rubberneck on May 8, 2012 at 10:16 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

It appeared in that article that they aren’t going to recognize relationships other than marriage for heterosexual couples either. I don’t know what that would be other than common law. I won’t pretend to know a lot about these laws but N.C.’s appears to be very strict. Considering the way it won, I assume that’s what the citizens want.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2012 at 10:17 PM

For those not paying attention, Scott Walker, in an UNCONTESTED PRIMARY, is currently leading the combined Democratic recall vote in their contested one.

That is a huge deal. If it holds up — or if Walker is even somewhat behind on his side to the contested Dem vote on the other side — it’s a terrible, terrible omen for the Dems in the recall.

Esoteric on May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I looked in here wondering why there wasn’t an article about this… Maybe tomorrow morning when all the numbers are counted.

It isn’t even all that close either. 266k for Walker vs. a cumulative 230k for the Democrats.

Gingotts on May 8, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Exact same strawman dummy. You are still providing an example of unequal treatment under the law. What unequal treatment exists when gay marriage is denied?

NotCoach on May 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

1966: “Everyone has the right to marry someone of their race. There’s no unequal treatment under the law.”

2012: “Everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. There’s no unequal treatment under the law.”

sobincorporated on May 8, 2012 at 10:17 PM

NotCoach on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I hadn’t seen your post before my last comment.
Thanks for the info.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 10:17 PM

First!

That’s right, suckas.

Bishop on May 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Why are you unhappy with Rep. Renee Ellmers?

joana on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

She’ll go which ever way the DC Republicans will blow her. She’s stands for whatever someone else tells her. We don’t need more people going along with the status quo, we need people to fix the problems in DC.

LoganSix on May 8, 2012 at 10:11 P

What the heck does that mean? Is it some tape you play whenever someone asks you about an incumbent?

What were exactly Rep. Ellmers votes you disagreed with?

joana on May 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM

McDuck on May 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

A little silly, sure thing there, McDuck.

Bmore on May 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Bmore, your first question is a little silly. We all know what NC voted on today, so it was pretty obvious what I was talking about.You may not agree that its bigotry, but that is a different matter

As for your other question, I think the party is losing its big tent essence. Anyone who deviates on even one issue now is considered a RINO. This is causing our representatives to feel like they have no room to do anything that isn’t 100% pure even if it would be wiser to negotiate. I do not think this is a smart strategy in the long run.

McDuck on May 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Ignorning our party’s base is harmful in the long run. We are at a crisis point financially and we need to be mature enough to admit that as a nation.

Bluray on May 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I think Obama is busy moving the location for the Democratic convention…..

redguy on May 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM

…many rural, heavily African-American counties that strongly supported Obama in the 2008 contest overwhelmingly backed the gay marriage ban. In Hertford County, which is over 60 percent African-American, Obama won 70 percent of the vote in 2008 but it voted heavily for Amendment 1 (3,817 yes votes; 1,627 no votes).

In Bertie County, the most African-American county in the state (over 62 percent), Obama garnered over 65 percent of the vote. The county isn’t reporting final results for the amendment, but 2,703 are currently voting yes while just 951 voted no. Source

Is there any question why Obama’s evolution on the Gay marriage issue won’t be complete until after Novemeber 6th?

Flora Duh on May 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Esoteric on May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I noticed on Ace that they were encouraging people to go out and vote and send a message. It sounds like they did.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2012 at 10:19 PM

TxAnn56 on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

There’s a HUGE Cruz sign that I pass on my way to work-and one very small Dewhurst one.
annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

You didn’t mention the medium size home made James sign in your yard.

cozmo on May 8, 2012 at 10:19 PM

f*ckheads
Dave Rywall on May 8, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Isn’t that Canadian for Rywall?

arnold ziffel on May 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Love always wins over hate. One day, y’all will be like those photos of screaming white racist segregationists in my kids’ school books.

lostmotherland on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Won’t that be nice. And the Country will look like Detroit or South Africa, where “love won out over hate” and then the new population crushed all that was there.

Bulletchaser on May 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Bravo, Tea Partiers and conservatives of every stripe. This RINO douche needed to retire and lacked the simple moral decency and integrity to do so.

Jaibones on May 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM

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WHAT ? ! !

No more Dick Lugar on Meet The Press? Can’t wait to “not miss ‘im”. : )

listens2glenn on May 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Is there any question why Obama’s evolution on the Gay marriage issue won’t be complete until after Novemeber 6th?

Flora Duh on May 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Exactly. Like any good Democrat, President Obama is going to lie to and use black voters until he doesn’t need them anymore.

29Victor on May 8, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Disagreeing does not amount to hate.

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2012 at 10:13

But it is a phobia.

rik on May 8, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Obama just at 61% in WV primary – running against a federal inmate.

joana on May 8, 2012 at 10:21 PM

1966: “Everyone has the right to marry someone of their race. There’s no unequal treatment under the law.”

2012: “Everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. There’s no unequal treatment under the law.”

sobincorporated on May 8, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I think your 1966 quote was made by your a$$.

NotCoach on May 8, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Meanwhile, back in Wisconsin, it will be a rematch between Walker and Barrett. The funny thing is, with only a semi-pro protester on the ballot against him, with 38% of the vote in, Walker outdrew all four of the “real” Democrats 248,188 to 230,527.

Steve Eggleston on May 8, 2012 at 10:22 PM

1966: “Everyone has the right to marry someone of their race. There’s no unequal treatment under the law.”

2012: “Everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. There’s no unequal treatment under the law.”

sobincorporated on May 8, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Gender and Sexual Orientation ≠ Race or Ethnicity

The reasons for not legalizing Gay Marriage are not in the same vein as why someone decades ago would be against interracial marriage, regardless of how you want to spin it.

Bluray on May 8, 2012 at 10:22 PM

As for your other question, I think the party is losing its big tent essence. Anyone who deviates on even one issue now is considered a RINO. This is causing our representatives to feel like they have no room to do anything that isn’t 100% pure even if it would be wiser to negotiate. I do not think this is a smart strategy in the long run.

McDuck on May 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Did Lugar deviate on only one, two or three issues? Read his parting shots and get back to me.

arnold ziffel on May 8, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Isn’t that Canadian for Rywall?

arnold ziffel on May 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Why ya know I think it is. ; )

Bmore on May 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I think your 1966 quote was made by your a$$.

NotCoach on May 8, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Not to mention that equating race to gender is just stupid.

29Victor on May 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

You didn’t mention the medium size home made James sign in your yard.

cozmo on May 8, 2012 at 10:19 PM

I didn’t know that Rick James lived in Texas!
Super Freaky!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Fresh numbers – 50% in, Walker 320,314, all four “real” UnionRATs 294,988.

Oops.

Steve Eggleston on May 8, 2012 at 10:24 PM

This whole gay meme, that being gay is equal to being black is well… offensive. From a Biblical world view being gay, is not equal to being black.

Kjeil on May 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Super Freaky!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Playing coy doesn’t fool Texans.

Be open in your Craig James support.

cozmo on May 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM

What the heck does that mean? Is it some tape you play whenever someone asks you about an incumbent?

What were exactly Rep. Ellmers votes you disagreed with?

joana on May 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I was part of a group that hosted a primary debate when she was elected. She was the weakest candidate, as in she had no idea what she would do. The only reason she won the primary was that she had backing from the NC GOP and the other 4 didn’t. When every other candidate in the country was running on fiscal conservatism, she almost lost to Bob Etheridge because she campaigned on abortion. She has no spine, that’s what I disagree with. She’s just someone else’s puppet.

LoganSix on May 8, 2012 at 10:26 PM

North Carolina – Thanks for doing the right thing.

Every time the Gay Mafia is faced with a ballot box – they lose… LOL

Norwegian on May 8, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Not a straw man at all but if you prefer an example closer to the topic….

If the will of the people was that interracial marriages should be forbidden then would that make such a ban okay?

alchemist19 on May 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Keep a fire extingusher handy.

katy the mean old lady on May 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Yeahhhhhh BOYYYY! Conservative revival.

Where’s the humpbot??

rgrovr on May 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

bluefox on May 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

What could have been. SIGH

gophergirl on May 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I think the same thing…

Rick Perry is knocking it out of the park.

gophergirl on May 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Yes, he did. I think this influx of kids is being done on purpose.
Greta is never any help, alway tries to be “objective” but takes the wrong side. My opinion anyway:-)

bluefox on May 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

rik on May 8, 2012 at 10:21 PM

So anyone who doesn’t agree with you (which appears to be the majority of N.C. & California to name two) is either a hateful bigot or has some kind of mental disorder? Will that constitute a disability that qualifies for all kinds of free perks under federal regulations?

Cindy Munford on May 8, 2012 at 10:28 PM

No shock that bigotry won in NC. Enough said.

Good to see Lugar get the boot. He is right that the party is getting too rigid though.

McDuck on May 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM

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Yeah, you can blame me for that.

I reject any recognition of homosexuality as being just another alternate state of “normal”.

My “rigidity” on this matter ain’t going to cease and desist any time soon.

listens2glenn on May 8, 2012 at 10:28 PM

The funny thing is axel dork was banking on NC for Obama, good call dork hahaha

Conservative4ev on May 8, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Flexibility is not a bad tool if employed to advance a goal. Unfortunately for Lugar and many Republicans like him, flexibility became the goal.
Republicans (at least claim to) want to reduce the power and scope of the Federal government, Democrats want to increase it. Lugar has gone in too much for “bipartisan” compromises that continue the expansion of Federal power at an only slightly slower pace than Democrats desire. He forgot the goal and let the tool of flexibility use him.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on May 8, 2012 at 10:28 PM

If Mr. Mourdock is elected, I want him to be a good Senator. But that will require him to revise his stated goal of bringing more partisanship to Washington. He and I share many positions, but his embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance and my experience of what brings results for Hoosiers in the Senate. In effect, what he has promised in this campaign is reflexive votes for a rejectionist orthodoxy and rigid opposition to the actions and proposals of the other party.

I just want to slap the crap out of Lugar for that statement.

How about the NATION, instead of your precious Hoosiers, you craven sack of dung?

Hey Dick(-head), your “flexibility” has resulted in a Senate that HAS NOT PASSED A ^%$^&$%$ BUDGET IN THREE FREAKING YEARS.

This is the BALDEST violation of the U.S. Constitution, I believe, in the 225 years since its ratification. The Senate’s MAIN JOB is to pass a budget for the federal government each year. The House proposes; the Senate disposes.

Your failure to pass a budget has allowed 0bama to roll in another, sneaky, $1-Trillion stimulus into each (non-) budget since 2009, and bankrupt us and our grandkids!

SMUG, SUPERCILIOUS, CAREER IDIOT POLITICAL ANIMALS LIKE YOU HAVE BROKEN OUR NATION, THAT GOOD MEN HAVE DIED FOR SINCE 1773!

I know I’m screaming with Caps, but, so help me, if this were an earlier era, I would get a gang of us together, strip every smug Senator like Lugar naked, physically hold them down while hot tar was poured upon them, dump feathers all over them, tie them to a long tree trunk and RUN THEIR SORRY BUTTS OUT OF THE CAPITOL BUILDING AND THROW THEM IN A DITCH OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT LIMITS.

And then piss on them.

Ed, Allah, yeah that’s strong, but it’s from the heart, and in the spirit of the Founding Fathers.

What is happening in Washington, D.C. is an abomination.

cane_loader on May 8, 2012 at 10:29 PM

arnold ziffel, I said I was glad to see Lugar go. I just think he does have a bit of a point even if he is not a good example of it.

BTW: Apologies to all for not quoting. I know it makes it easier to have a discussion, but when I am on my phone it doesn’t seem to work.

McDuck on May 8, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Eric Cantor hardest hit..:)

idesign on May 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

You sound like you know what a traitor Eric has become. I’m gathering info on what he has done, not only in this Lugar race but other States as well. Will post it on another site more appropriate. He’s up for election this Nov 2012. In my opinion he needs voted out.

bluefox on May 8, 2012 at 10:30 PM

We’re gonna get VI back as well.

rubberneck on May 8, 2012 at 10:16 PM

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Virginia is VA, if that is the state you were prognosticating. VI is Virgin Islands (US).

ExpressoBold on May 8, 2012 at 10:30 PM

The quote of the night belongs to Hoosier conservative activist Greg Fettig: “The message to the establishment is, ‘You’re our servants. We’re the masters. Do what you’re supposed to do, adhere to the Constitution or we’ll fire you.’

W. James Antle, III ~American Spectator.

ReagansRight on May 8, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Playing coy doesn’t fool Texans.

Be open in your Craig James support.

cozmo on May 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Craig who?
Go Cruz!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Love always wins over hate. One day, y’all will be like those photos of screaming white racist segregationists in my kids’ school books.

lostmotherland on May 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

You really expect everyone here to become democrats?

Bishop on May 8, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Not to mention that equating race to gender is just stupid.

29Victor on May 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Exactly. This dishonesty of trying to compare segregation to gay marriage bans is ludicrous on its face. Separate, but equal was clearly a civil rights violation that relates in no way to how these bans work today.

NotCoach on May 8, 2012 at 10:31 PM

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