Open thread: Lugargeddon; Update: Mourdock wins; Update: Lugar hits Mourdock’s “unrelenting partisan mindset”; Update: NC bans gay marriage and civil unions; Update: Massive GOP turnout for Scott Walker; Update: Obama facing stiff challenge in WV from … federal inmate
posted at 5:21 pm on May 8, 2012 by Allahpundit
The polls in Indiana close promptly at 6 p.m. ET. If you believe the latest numbers, we’ll get a call sooner rather than later. How did it come to this? WaPo:
At the start of 2011, Lugar met with senior party strategists who walked him through the mistakes made by the likes of Murkowski and Bennett — and emphasized how he too was vulnerable unless he took a far more aggressive approach to the possibility of a primary fight. Lugar chose not to heed those warnings.
Instead, the senator seemed to believe — wrongly — that his situation was unique, that his connection to voters in the Hoosier State went deeper and was, therefore, tougher to break than those of his losing colleagues…
“Conventional wisdom is that he should have gone nuclear early, but that would have killed him out of the gate,” said one Republican strategist who has worked in the state and is sympathetic to the incumbent. “Indiana would simply not have accepted that from him.”
The other problem for Lugar, according to the source, was that there was never a clean hit available on Mourdock that matched the incumbent’s support for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), his votes on judges, nagging residency questions, and, yes, the friendliness between him and President Obama. (Lugar has been floated as a possible Defense Secretary in the Obama Administration.)
Contrast Lugar’s lackadaisical approach with Orrin Hatch’s aggressive backstage maneuvering to make sure this year’s Utah GOP convention was more favorably disposed to him than the last one was to Bob Bennett. The result: Lugar’s headed for retirement while Hatch came within a whisker of clinching the nomination outright and will probably win the runoff against Dan Liljenquist. Assuming it plays out that way, the conventional wisdom among Republican incumbents will be set in cement. From now on, if you see a tea-party challenge coming, you follow the McCain/Hatch approach and confront it proactively and expeditiously. There’ll be no more Bennetts or Lugars who get caught napping in the primary; from now on, everyone’s awake. I’m not sure how grassroots conservatives will counter that but I’d bet on a bigger role for outfits like FreedomWorks and the rise of tea-party Super PACs which can aggregate funds and launch damaging broadsides against incumbents before they’ve consolidated a lead against their primary opponents.
As for why a nice man like Dick Lugar needs to be retired, James Antle sums it up:
Peggy Noonan also stressed family ties when making the case for sending Lugar back to the Senate: “What Washington needs is sober and responsible adults.” Noonan didn’t disclose who the children were in this relationship.
But it is the sober and responsible adults who have accumulated a national debt larger than the country’s economy. There are two ways to demonstrate one’s sobriety and responsibility in Washington: to be as supportive of druken sailor-style fiscal irresponsibility as possible or to be as timid as possible in opposition to it.
Over in the Greenroom, Karl reminds Noonan that she seemed to have a handle on this logic not so long ago. Simply put, if you’re bracing for a brutal political war over sustainability in the age of entitlements, you’re probably not going to get much from a genial grandfatherly type whose tenure has seen more than $14 trillion added in federal debt. (Same goes for Hatch, do note.) More from Dan McLaughlin:
As I’ve noted before, besides the various ideological and cultural divides within the GOP, a core dividing line is over a sense of urgency to contain the runaway growth of federal spending and the reach of the federal government. It is difficult to picture Lugar and Hatch, as a pair of courtly octogenarians, having the necessary energy not only to seek what is apt to be a difficult partisan confrontation over these issues, but to put pressure on a president from their own party. And while Utah voters will surely be excited to go to the polls for Romney, conservative voters in other states like Indiana will need more encouragement – not yet another message that the establishment has shut them out. That’s good news in Ohio, where a fresh face (State Treasurer Josh Mandel) is on the ballot facing accused wife-beater Sherrod Brown; it may be more difficult to manage in some other races. And building a critical mass of such candidates (Mandel, Liljenquist, Mourdock, Ted Cruz in Texas, Jeff Flake in Arizona, Don Stenberg in Nebraska, Mark Neumann in Wisconsin, possibly a few others who haven’t proven themselves just yet) will make it easier to convince conservatives nationwide that even with Romney at the top, and even with some Senate races where we are resigned to moderates (Dean Heller, Scott Brown, Linda Lingle) or establishment-minded conservatives (George Allen), the party has not completely lost touch with the lessons of its victories in 2010.
Beyond all of this, on a gut level, the careerism evinced by an 80-year-old pleading for one more term in the Senate after serving 36 years is simply grotesque. (Again, same goes for Hatch.) I used to oppose term limits on grounds that the people should be fully free to choose their representatives but over time I’ve come to think the greater danger than slightly limiting their choices is letting a permanent political class calcify. If you want bold solutions to grave national problems, one surefire way to encourage them is to free politicians from reelection considerations. Give ‘em two terms in the Senate and, let’s say, six in the House and you might finally see some movement on entitlements. Might.
Here’s the Google Elections page for tracking results. Two other important races tonight. First, in Wisconsin, Democrats will choose a recall challenger for Scott Walker. Labor’s candidate is Kathleen Falk but Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett is favored; the contest is bitter enough that a post-election party unity rally has been canceled, so sit back and enjoy as Trumka and his pals in Wisconsin fume. The other big contest is the North Carolina vote that would ban gay marriage — and civil unions. If the last poll is right, the vote won’t be close: It’s 55/39 in favor of the ban in a state O won in 2008, which helps explain why he’s keeping his head down on this subject this week. Gallup’s out with a new gay-marriage poll today too showing 50 percent support nationally versus 48 percent opposition, but the key is the demographics. Greg Sargent:
It’s been widely reported that Obama fears coming out for marriage equality because it could alienate culturally conservative Dems and independents in swing states. Perhaps, but sizable majorities of moderates and independents support it, making Obama’s stance all the more mystifying (though no one believes he actually opposes it).
That said, there is one other interesting data point: Gallup tells me that non-college voters oppose gay marriage by 56-43. This appears to include African Americans, but it also suggests blue collar whites — a demographic Obama has alienated and needs to win back — risk getting put off over the issue. (Incidentally, as Molly Ball points out, non-whites oppose gay marriage in almost exactly the same proportions as the rest of Americans do.)
That’s why President Gutsy Call makes his flack go out to the podium and give ridiculous non-answers like this. The polls in Carolina close at 7:30 ET. Stand by for updates, needless to say.
Update: Looks like the Google Elections link I gave you is following the by-now-meaningless presidential primary results. For Lugar/Mourdock returns, click here.
Update: That didn’t take long. Lugar’s Senate career is over.
NBC News has declared Richard Mourdock as the projected winner in the Indiana Senate primary. Mourdock defeated Republican foreign policy elder statesman Sen. Richard Lugar…
Looking toward the November election, National Republican Senatorial Committee chairman Sen. John Cornyn of Texas said two weeks ago that “it will probably make it more of a contest if Sen. Lugar is not the nominee, but I’m confident we’ll hold the seat.”
Not such a good night for this guy either, huh?
Update: What now for Lugar, then? He’s eager to work for another six years despite his advanced age, but he hasn’t been a private-sector guy for a long, long time. He’s friends with Obama so presumably The One will appoint him to something. Any ambassadorships open? Forget Pakistan; I mean something less stressful.
Update: Go figure that a careerist would turn bitter when finally forced to answer to his constituents.
Of Mourdock, Lugar says: “His embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance.”
Lugar: “Our political system is losing its ability to explore alternatives. … Voters will be electing a slate of inflexible positions.”
Jonah Goldberg joked earlier on Twitter that they’ll be wearing funeral attire tomorrow on “Morning Joe.” He’s only half-kidding: Prepare for a solid day’s worth of truly insufferable media navel-gazing about the “loss of moderation” and tea-party “radicalism,” yadda yadda yadda.
Update: Philip Klein sees the value in sending a message to Romney:
Any elected Republican that doesn’t pursue a small government agenda once in office risks suffering the same fate as Lugar. Had Lugar hung on, then a lot of people would have dismissed the Tea Party as a passing fad from 2010. But now it’s clear that the movement has been underestimated once again. Tea Partiers have a lot more staying power than skeptics expected.
With the Republican presidential nomination going to the ideologically malleable Mitt Romney, supporters of limited government have recognized that their best hope for advancing the conservative agenda rests on the ability to elect as many principled conservatives to Congress as possible. That is, lawmakers who will be willing to fight for smaller government even if it means standing up to a president of their own party. The more victories the Tea Party racks up, the greater the chance that Romney will be forced to govern as a limited government conservative if elected, even if his natural inclination is to migrate to the left.
Update: Very curious. Looks like the prepared statement that Lugar released earlier was much more critical of Mourdock than the remarks he ended up delivering. Compare and contrast. Maybe his speechwriters drafted something and he thought it was too bitter? Here’s the relevant passage from the prepared remarks:
He and I share many positions, but his embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance and my experience of what brings results for Hoosiers in the Senate. In effect, what he has promised in this campaign is reflexive votes for a rejectionist orthodoxy and rigid opposition to the actions and proposals of the other party. His answer to the inevitable roadblocks he will encounter in Congress is merely to campaign for more Republicans who embrace the same partisan outlook. He has pledged his support to groups whose prime mission is to cleanse the Republican party of those who stray from orthodoxy as they see it…
I don’t remember a time when so many topics have become politically unmentionable in one party or the other. Republicans cannot admit to any nuance in policy on climate change. Republican members are now expected to take pledges against any tax increases. For two consecutive Presidential nomination cycles, GOP candidates competed with one another to express the most strident anti-immigration view, even at the risk of alienating a huge voting bloc. Similarly, most Democrats are constrained when talking about such issues as entitlement cuts, tort reform, and trade agreements. Our political system is losing its ability to even explore alternatives. If fealty to these pledges continues to expand, legislators may pledge their way into irrelevance. Voters will be electing a slate of inflexible positions rather than a leader.
I hope that as a nation we aspire to more than that.
Update: As expected, North Carolina’s initiative to ban all forms of same-sex unions wins in a romp. Probably won’t hear too much more about gay marriage from Joe Biden during this campaign.
Update: How’s this for a beautiful result? Count the vote totals — and remember that the Democratic primary was the one being hotly contested while its GOP counterpart was a walkover:

Walker’s banked considerably more votes than Barrett and Falk combined. Message sent.
Update: And at last, we arrive at the most surreal story of the night. I think we can go ahead and put West Virginia in the Romney column for November:
With 60-odd percent of the vote counted in West Virginia’s Democratic primary, a man named Keith Judd can make a unique claim. He has won a greater proportion of the vote — almost 40 percent — than any other primary candidate running against Barack Obama.
Who’s Keith Judd? He’s prisoner #11593-051, currently serving out a sentence for making threats at the University of New Mexico.
With 74 percent reporting in West Virginia, Obama leads Judd 60/40. Inmate #11593-051 may end up winning a delegate.
Update: Jon Gabriel tweets, “It’ll be ironic if Eric Holder ends up being Keith Judd’s cellmate.”
Update: You ready for this? Joe Manchin refuses to say whether he voted for Obama in the Democratic primary in West Virginia.
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The best way to ban someone is to ignore it.
HAL is now on my Banned List.
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:52 AM
On the other hand:
Keep Hot Air Liberal
1. When the latrine is full we need some where to take a leak.
2. When we do not have the time to check out the talking points of the loon left of blogs like Kos Kid Kult (KKK) we just read HAL post.
3. Do not let HAL take over threads as often. When there is play time , play it and see what the borg is up to, sort of free intel.
4. It is possible we may get a better foil later , a liberal with some thinking parts intact and at that point HAL would become even more useless to us.
5. Cheap fun.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM
Sometimes dissenters provide a service that they force us to strengthen and refine our arguments.
HAL–not so much. Its comments are devoid of content.
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:54 AM
… service in that …
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM
Interesting essay on the oxymoron of h0m0marriage: http://allengil.freeshell.org/marriage.html
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM
“Judicial Watch, a leading government open records organization, announced today that it has filed suit on behalf of Legal Insurrection to obtain documents regarding David Gregory’s violation of the District of Columbia gun laws and the investigation which led to the decision of the District of Columbia Attorney General not to prosecute…”
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/05/legal-insurrection-and-judicial-watch-file-suit-to-obtain-david-gregory-gun-law-violation-documents/
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM
No Hillary Clinton?
Could she be hiding something aside from her pervert hubby and fat ankles?
IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM
sigh.. you sir, are the cooler head.. and almost certainly right.. I had already promised not to rise to the bait, but as you said, it’s hard. Especially when a good name is trashed by a ghoul for sport..
I’ll try and follow your example..
and my apologies to Hotair for loosing my temper like that, and the commenters who deserve better of me.. but my apology ends there..
on that note.. hal can just imagine the words in my head about his lack of social skills.
I’ll try and do better.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM
One liberal blog thinks Hillary is being helped by Benghazi.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/05/16/witness_the_devastating_impact_the_benghazi_story_has_had_on_hillary_clinton.html
IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Libfreeordie is living and breathing proof of a truth I discovered years ago; The phrase “liberal twit” is an inherent redundancy. It takes a special brand of sophomoric pseudo-intellectualism to be a liberal to begin with, and they just keep building on that foundation until they eventually graduate into full blown multi-variate morons.
Lew on May 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM
Off at a spa drying out, losing weight and getting a second facelift.
Watch her show up at Dem-only venues for a re-debut into public life.
Wethal on May 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM
I never hated Hillary and respected the battle made against President Obama during the campaign by her staff and her supporters. The fact that it went on even after the prominent blacks and media turned on them was really impressive since, as for Democrats, that is the equivalent of a two week old fetus living outside the womb.
Last night I was lectured on:
1) Hillary and O hatching the weird video story in a late phone call.
2) Both of them wanting the continued void to continue to exist as to what exactly they were doing while Benghazi was being slaughtered.
3) Our president’s comment on “no there, there” was the conclusion of (a result of?) a massive check for (scrubbing of?) incriminating records in concert with Hill’s folks.
So I expected the newly prepared and fresh innocents to be out talking.
IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM
They must be clairvoyant.
I found this five minutes ago, well maybe ten:
Even in the conservative press, it has become received wisdom that President Obama was AWOL on the night of September 11, after first being informed by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, in the late afternoon, that the State Department facility in Benghazi was under attack. You hear it again and again: While Americans were under attack, the commander-in-chief checked out, leaving subordinates to deal with the crisis while he got his beauty sleep in preparation for a fundraising campaign trip to Vegas.
That is not true . . . and the truth, as we’ve come to expect with Obama, is almost surely worse. There is good reason to believe that while Americans were still fighting for their lives in Benghazi, while no military efforts were being made to rescue them, and while those desperately trying to rescue them were being told to stand down, the president was busy shaping the “blame the video” narrative to which his administration clung in the aftermath.
Jay Carney first revealed the existence of the phone call and the time in February. Hillary Clinton confirmed she spoke to Obama “later that evening.” What was said between the two?
We now know from the e-mails and TV clips that, by Sunday morning, the White House staff, State Department minions, and Susan Rice were all in agreement that the video fairy tale, peppered with indignant rebukes of Islamophobia, was the way to go.
How do you suppose they got that idea?
The theory makes sense. What’s more, there may be a phone log of the conversation and what was discussed in the records of both principles.
That would be a fascinating document to discover.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/05/m-phone_call_between_hillary_and_obama_may_be_genesis_of_anti-muslim_video_lie.html
IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM
I’ve never seen so members of the State Run Media defend the IRS…hmmm.
d1carter on May 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM
This guy needs a glass of cold water and a hug.Just dont pop a vein with all hate.
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM
This explains why your Democrat Media has been afraid to do “polling” on Benghazi. There has only been one such “poll” since early December of 2012.
By the way, that new “poll” shows that nearly half of Americans are following the Benghazi story, despite your desperately wishing it would all go away. And that is a Leftist PEW poll, so you can’t shoot the messenger.
Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM
Cold glass of water and a hug needed by this one.
Any volunteers or will libfree come through for us?
Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM
Romney won the college graduate vote in 2012. Your guy won 80% of high school dropouts.
Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM
Edited for accuracy.
Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM
I check Firefox Add-Ons regularly for an ‘ignore’ function that would work with Drupal, haven’t found one yet. (Hint for you software guys out there.)
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 12:42 PM
Laugh, laugh.
This liberal thinks Hillary has been helped by Benghazi. Yes, helped !
Oh, I was informed that the site was correct about the last POTUS election.
Someone was concerned enough to poll…
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/05/16/witness_the_devastating_impact_the_benghazi_story_has_had_on_hillary_clinton.html
IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 12:42 PM
There’s more hidden on the Clinton Crime Family than not.
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM
Unbelievable: http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/doj-on-gays-silence-will-be-interpreted-as-disapproval/
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM
“Burglar locks homeowner in gun closet” thread now timewarped back to May 10th.
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM
Has anyone checked this out? http://www.bing.com/search?q=Egyptian+chariots+strewn+across+the+sea+floor&form=MOZSBR&pc=MOZI
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM
“What is there to like?” is always a question for the left.
Even “low info” voters have an impression of the IRS and Dems have run from it in public since Roosevelt’s time. Not that they don’t love to use it as a hammer.
Anyone who has ever sent in a return knows the IRS has two strikes before they pick up a bat.
Those guys can easily be pro choice since they never had cold steel rip their limbs as a fetus or lived a day in a clinic and watched the action.
IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM
http://conservbyte.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Big-Dawg-590-LI.jpg
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM
slickwilley 2001,
Seems like the google boiler room crew has plummers messing with the inflow outflow lines inside Hot Air .com….
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 19, 2013 at 12:59 PM
What is your point?
We don’t have a sea to cross and place to go when DHS is chasing us down with their armored cars and ammo. (Which they bought with our money.)
Check your history.
Prior slave populations were much better off for an escape than Jews under Hitler or whites and Christians in the US today.
We have no other aspects of slavery? Check out affirmative action and job prospects for young folks today while they pay off college loans to the liberals.
Are you feeling it?
We are totally stuck!
All we have is our guns and they are trying to take them (And I’m not even worried about background checks, you wait and see what they want to do!)
Correct me if I am wrong.
I’m a gone and grateful for the venting opportunity about ole Hillary. Whom I never hated till lately, like 1990.
IlikedAUH2O on May 19, 2013 at 1:04 PM
and it thinks I need a hug?
ok..
nice to see my opinion confirmed,,, carry on good sir.. I’ll leave it to an expert troll trainer.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 1:12 PM
wierd
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 19, 2013 at 1:15 PM
That would be a low hug.
tom daschle concerned on May 19, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Another day, another HA thread polluted with troll turds.
farsighted on May 19, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Hillary and Biden are awful taciturn lately.
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 1:29 PM
google bing and ask them what’s up…
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 19, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Obama hates the middle class, did, does, and always will.
Obama lives the life of the 1%rs and supports them in full. They brung him and they keep him. It’s the biggest foolery he’s performing in front of yer eyes. The leftists are too stupid to see.
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM
This brainless scumhag doesn’t know what irony is.
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM
Best part, lots of HA Capitalism, even if he breaks the HA posting ‘rules’ and is allowed to get away with it, every thread.
It’s like the Clift congress constitution thread. Who cares? Everything goes, so long as communism and Capitalism flourish.
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 1:43 PM
This azzhole has it wrong. The question is not “bla, bla, bla, fix…bla, bla, bla”.
The job of Obama is to prevent this from happening, you incredible fool. Pfeiffer is an incredible Goebbels.
Obama, Hillary and Biden are in hiding.
This ship is rudderless.
Enjoy, world and USA. You brung this idiocy upon yourself. May PC eat you all, alive, slowly.
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 1:48 PM
Thank you, my friends.
HAL, it must really stink to be you. I pity you.
kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 1:52 PM
H/t VegasRick
Schadenfreude on May 19, 2013 at 2:01 PM
Ruh-Roh, HAL, CNN came out with a “poll” today, and a majority of Americans (55%) now say that Benghazi is very important.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/05/19/rel6a.pdf
Very Important = 55%
More Bad News for HAL:
Could Have: 59%
That’s up 11 points from their previous “poll” last December.
And finally:
Overreacting: 37%
Reacting Appropriately: 59%
I didn’t bother to look for their “polling sample” but they usually oversample Democrats.
Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM
So Obama gets a 53 percent approval rating in a CNN poll in which only 24 percent of the respondents were republicans and they think that is good news for him? They think that gives him a reservoir of good will? Democrats in the sample weighed in at 33 percent and independents (liberals who wanted to make sure they got counted) were over 40 percent.
Is also appears from the numbers that women and non-whites were heavily over sampled. I can’t even believe they are out there running with these numbers.
NavyDavy on May 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM
Crunching the numbers, I’m coming up with 305 dems in the poll, 221 repubs, 397 indies (yeah, right).
I’m getting 295 or so non-whites and 628 or so whites.
First off, how do you have only 305 dems in a crowd with 300 non whites?
I have not extrapolated the male/female numbers yet…
NavyDavy on May 19, 2013 at 2:54 PM
I’m coming up with approx 510 men and 413 women fwiw.
NavyDavy on May 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM
You all don’t think they’d put out a crap poll to support Zero, do you?
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 4:21 PM
Dude! All I wanted to know is has this been peer reviewed and verified or debunked.
What’s your point?
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 4:21 PM
Here’s where Obama, Holder, Hillary, et al all belong.
The scourge needs to be scourged.
And purged.
D-emetic-rats
profitsbeard on May 19, 2013 at 4:51 PM
They load this poll data into an Excel program and adjust the D/R/I weighting until they get the approval results that they want, then hit Save, Print.
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 7:10 PM
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