Polls: Presidential race still a dead heat

posted at 1:21 pm on May 7, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Two new polls, one continuing result.  Both a USA Today/Gallup poll taken in 12 swing states and a Politico/GWU poll taken nationwide show the upcoming presidential race to be a dead heat.  In the USAT/Gallup survey, Obama has a narrow two-point lead in the swing states:

The first USA TODAY/Gallup Swing States Poll since the GOP settled on a presumptive nominee shows big challenges for each side: Mitt Romney in generating enthusiasm and a personal connection with his supporters, and Barack Obama in convincing Americans he should be trusted to manage a fragile economy.

The president and the former Massachusetts governor start their head-to-head contest essentially even among registered voters — Obama 47%, Romney 45% — in the dozen battleground states likely to determine the election’s outcome. That’s closer than the lead of 9 percentage points for Obama in the Swing States survey in late March.

But the poll also finds a reversal in what has been a key GOP asset in the five previous battleground surveys taken since last fall: an edge in enthusiasm among voters. For the first time, Democrats are more likely than Republicans to say they are extremely or very enthusiastic about voting — a shift from a 14-percentage-point GOP advantage at the end of last year to an 11-point deficit now.

That sounds more like the fallout of the primary rather than an issue in the general election.  The gift from Hilary Rosen in the form of an attack on Ann Romney sped up the unity process, but it won’t be complete for another few weeks.  Romney hasn’t been an inspirational figure among the activist base, but now that Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum have withdrawn, he won’t need to be.  Barack Obama will fire up the GOP base enough, and if Romney continues his attack on Obama’s record on jobs and the economy, he will generate plenty of enthusiasm himself.

The key point from this survey of the 12 states is that even without GOP enthusiasm, the incumbent isn’t scoring above 47%.  That’s not a number for certain defeat, but an incumbent President should be seeing better numbers than that at this point if he expects to get a second term.  Voter already know Obama, and 47% isn’t a number that reflects enthusiasm for continued employment in the position of President.

Romney gets the edge in the new Politico/GWU poll:

A new POLITICO/George Washington University Battleground Poll finds a dead heat in the presidential race six months before the election.

Mitt Romney edged out President Barack Obama 48 percent to 47 percent among likely voters, a number well within the margin of error, as Republicans rapidly consolidate behind the likely GOP nominee.

This one has bad news for Obama among independents:

The former Massachusetts governor has opened up a 10-point lead, 48 percent to 38 percent, among independents in a poll conducted Sunday, April 29 through Thursday, May 3 and a 6-point lead among those who describe themselves as “extremely likely” to vote in November. Obama led Romney by 9 points overall in POLITICO’s February’s poll.

But there are suggestions that these numbers are extremely fluid: Obama holds double-digit leads over the presumptive Republican nominee on issues such as who will better handle foreign policy and who will stand up for the middle class and on “sharing your values.” But enduring concern about the economy — by far the most important issue to voters — keeps the president in a tenuous position despite employment numbers that show slight but steady improvement.

That’s actually nonsense. The overall number of jobs has declined over the last two months, which has apparently escaped Politico’s notice.  It only looks like an improvement because of the statistical effect of having so many people leaving the workforce.

The key takeaway here is the standing among independents.  In 2008, Obama won independents by eight points.  If he’s trailing by ten, there is not much chance of him winning a second term, unless Obama and the Democrats can demoralize Republicans and independents into staying home on Election Day.  That’s the strategy behind their relentlessly negative campaign, but it’s not likely to work if the economy keeps sinking over the summer.  The pressure to reject Obama will be too great at that point, and Obama will have more problem getting Democrats to the polls — and to support him when they go.

Note: The D/R/I on the Politico/GWU poll looks pretty decent at 37/34/29, a model that would split the difference between 2008 and 2012.  The USA Today/Gallup poll on swing states didn’t include any of the demographic information, at least not through the USA Today article.


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Polls: Presidential race still a dead heat being waged. Final poll comes November 6th

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Bitter Clinger on May 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

The key takeaway here is the standing among independents. In 2008, Obama won independents by eight points. If he’s trailing by ten, there is not much chance of him winning a second term, unless Obama and the Democrats can demoralize Republicans and independents into staying home on Election Day.

Republicans won’t stay home this time. Just based on the Supreme Court picks alone.

Also in the next few months:

*Debt vote coming
*Economy is going back into Depression
*Suspreme Court ruling on Obamacare.

Oil Can on May 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Republicans won’t stay home this time. Just based on the Supreme Court picks alone.

Also in the next few months:

*Debt vote coming
*Economy is going back into Depression
*Suspreme Court ruling on Obamacare.

Oil Can on May 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Where are the Republicans on the expiration of the Bush tax cuts? That should be a HUGE issue this year.

Bitter Clinger on May 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Imagine not having to hear Barack Obama’s inane speeches, see his photos in the newspapers or read about his disastrous policies.

You may say I’m a dreamer. But I’m not the only one. I hope some day you’ll join us.

NoDonkey on May 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM

What about Ron Paul, Ed? FloatingRock keeps telling us that Ron Paul is leading in all the polls against King Obama/

JPeterman on May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Composite ABRtards hardest hit.

Gunlock Bill on May 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Republicans won’t stay home this time. Just based on the Supreme Court picks alone.

Also in the next few months:

*Debt vote coming
*Economy is going back into Depression
*Suspreme Court ruling on Obamacare.

Oil Can on May 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Don’t forget expiration of the Bush tax cuts, and the increasing likelihood at Israel will take military action against Iran.

WolvenOne on May 7, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Basically, this sums up what we already know. On May 7, 2012, this election is a toss-up.

However, this is awful news for Obama. Romney has just become the nominee, and beginning to fundraise. There are not many negative ads against Obama yet. There is no VP candidate. There have not been debates.

And Obama is at best tied at the moment. Considering that most incumbents usually lose support leading into an election, Obama is in serious trouble. He might lose this election by 4-5 points when all is said and done, especially if the economy continues its slide.

milcus on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

*Debt vote coming
*Economy is going back into Depression
*Suspreme Court ruling on Obamacare.

Oil Can on May 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

I hope we win.

And I sort of think we might. Evidentally there is a phenomenon that if you ask people who were of voting age back when JFK ran, 75% of them say they voted for him. This, of course, is ridiculous because he didn’t win by anything like 75% of the vote.

I wonder if they polled people who voted in the last election to ask if they voted for Obama and what the percentage might be. I don’t know anyone who claims to have voted for him now, although on election day everyone was running around celebrating as if they had and our Rainbow Unicorn Utopia was on the horizon.

Lily on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Imagine not having to hear Barack Obama’s inane speeches, see his photos in the newspapers or read about his disastrous policies.

NoDonkey on May 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM

While you’re at it, imagine the Mooch not showing up on every other television show telling what to eat or hear about food deserts and the packs of fat kids roaming the streets of suburbia.

Lost in Jersey on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Still not out of cheatin’ range. If it’s a tie, 0bama’s minions will steal it.

Sekhmet on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I still don’t understand how people can like obama. News outlets continually point to his likeability as a reason for his poll numbers. Why is he likeable? What has he ever done that just says “Man, that guy seems pretty cool.” It may be that he is a thief and everything he does just annoys me.

JAGonzo on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Don’t make AngryEd….err…AngrierEd.

You won’t…um…like having him around at all?…if you make him AngrierEd.

budfox on May 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM

LOL@JPeterman!!! Don’t hound her so much. She’ll claim you’re a Mittbot or sumptin.

SauerKraut537 on May 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Seriously, this doesn’t even take Friday’s economic numbers into account.

budfox on May 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Angryed says nonsensus.

FlaMurph on May 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Angryed should take a long extended break from HA to cool his jets. the guy has lost his marbles over Mitt being chosen.

SauerKraut537 on May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM

And Obama is at best tied at the moment. Considering that most incumbents usually lose support leading into an election, Obama is in serious trouble. He might lose this election by 4-5 points when all is said and done, especially if the economy continues its slide.

milcus on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Ditto. Obama is only appealing to his base as he spews the “I inhereted this economy” rhetoric. No news there….

Turtle317 on May 7, 2012 at 1:38 PM

What about Ron Paul, Ed? FloatingRock keeps telling us that Ron Paul is leading in all the polls against King Obama/

JPeterman on May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I thought the Romney campaign was so well-oiled, entrenched and professional that stuff like this wouldn’t happen. Romney better keep his eye on the delegate races that are still to be decided. It’s starting to look like Romney took a victory lap before the race has ended.

Fallon on May 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Dude, I’m nervous.

bernverdnardo1 on May 7, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I still don’t understand how people can like obama. News outlets continually point to his likeability as a reason for his poll numbers. Why is he likeable? What has he ever done that just says “Man, that guy seems pretty cool.” It may be that he is a thief and everything he does just annoys me.

JAGonzo on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

People don’t really hear about stuff like “John, the election’s over” (to John McCain) or Obama saying, “I won,” or things of that nature. What they see/hear are Obama singing Al Green, giving inspirational speeches, his appearances on Kimmel, etc. Unfortunately, “likable” has huge pull with voters. It’s too bad we have such an uninformed electorate.

GOPRanknFile on May 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM

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- angryed

steebo77 on May 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Obama holds double-digit leads over the presumptive Republican nominee on issues such as who will better handle foreign policy

Now is the time to begin hammering Obama on his foreign policy failures and his treatment of our allies.

Particularly missile defense, middle East, Europe (UK in particular) siding against our allies in places like Argentina (Falklands/Malvinas), etc.

crosspatch on May 7, 2012 at 1:45 PM

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- angryed

steebo77 on May 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM

I’m waiting for angryed to say that Politico is right wing.

GOPRanknFile on May 7, 2012 at 1:46 PM

What is with this “still a dead heat”?! It has barely started. Romney hasn’t been accepted by the voters.

brix on May 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Voter already know Obama, and 47% isn’t a number that reflects enthusiasm for continued employment in the position of President.

Any sane electorate would vote this President out in a landslide.

The President must have a little Jedi in him. His words and give- aways seem to have a strong influence on the weak minded. What a tragedy the percentage of weak minded has climbed so high in this country.

Republicans are going to have to be united, motivated, active and lucky to win this presidential election.

Hopefully, Governor Romney can summon a bit of the force himself.

MessesWithTexas on May 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM

What about Ron Paul, Ed? FloatingRock keeps telling us that Ron Paul is leading in all the polls against King Obama/

JPeterman on May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Good Lord, man. Do you really think Paul has a doughnuts’ chance at a Fat Kid camp of being elected POTUS?

What is this, the 5 trillionth time he’s run in 30 years? Is he a Republican now or Libertarian or Green Party or what?

Go home, Ron, your Presidential ship has sailed, and you’re still stuck in traffic on the West Side Highway.

Maybe your son isn’t as…colorful…as you are.

BlaxPac on May 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Also keep in mind that Obama’s current level of support is ONLY tied, after both a long bitter primary battle, AND after Obama’s cronies in the MSM have been trying non-stop to convince people the economy was getting better. As such he could very easily be at the high point of the campaign now.

WolvenOne on May 7, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Don’t make AngryEd….err…AngrierEd.

You won’t…um…like having him around at all?…if you make him AngrierEd.

budfox on May 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM

lol – I thought the modifier would be AngryEdder.

Haven’t seen him lately. He must be waiting for new stale talking points.

22044 on May 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM

FloatingRock keeps telling us that Ron Paul is leading in all the polls against King Obama/

JPeterman on May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

That’s a lie, I didn’t say that. You behave just like a typical Romney or Obama supporter.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Obama is like a bad rash. Gonna be hard to get rid of. But it’s a necessity if this country is going to thrive in the 21st century.

therightwinger on May 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Lily on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

There will also be negative economic spillover from Hollande’s election in France.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:52 PM

FloatingRock keeps telling us that Ron Paul is leading in all the polls against King Obama/

JPeterman on May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I didn’t bring up Ron Paul in this thread, but since you did, please explain why, if Romney is such a “winner” that his people have to cheat at the caucuses?

http://www.examiner.com/article/dirty-tricks-not-enough-to-stop-paul-revolution-maine-and-nevada

And please note that although the Romney side was trying to cheat, they still lost this weekend in Maine and Nevada.

Ron Paul is on a winning streak, he’s won several states in a row now. As Ron Paul’s delegate count of real delegates grows, Romney’s theoretical count continues to shrink.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM

JPeterman on May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Damnit, now look what you’ve done.:)

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Still not out of cheatin’ range. If it’s a tie, 0bama’s minions will steal it.

Sekhmet on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

These are probably push polls to shape public opinion. Accurate polls are likely months away.

stvnscott on May 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

NoDonkey on May 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Romney suffered landslide defeats in Maine and Nevada this weekend. Just the latest two states adding to Romney’s growing losing streak.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Still not out of cheatin’ range. If it’s a tie, 0bama’s minions will steal it.

Sekhmet on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

…going to need more than 10%…!!!

KOOLAID2 on May 7, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Trying to have a rational debate with Romney supporters is just like trying to have a rational debate with Obama supporters: Hope and Change.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM

That’s a lie, I didn’t say that. You behave just like a typical Romney or Obama supporter.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

America seems to disagree with you according to the polls, which have consistently shows Ron Paul can beat Obama.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Where’s that link?

JPeterman on May 7, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Romney suffered landslide defeats in Maine and Nevada this weekend. Just the latest two states adding to Romney’s growing losing streak.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

I have many friends that are Ron Paul supporters and although they were excited about the victories in ME and NV, they weren’t getting their hopes up. They know this primary is over, but are happy with the minor victories, believing this will just lead to mean more influence for them in the future. Ron Paul won’t even win the primary in his own state.

GOPRanknFile on May 7, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Romney must, MUST give Independents with 2008 “WHITE GUILT” a out by picking a running mate that addresses this issue.

Who would fire up the gop base? Would Mitt even be willing to pick someone that would light their hair on fire (or outshine him)?

I can’t think of ANYONE that has any charisma and the connectability with the voters that’s out there. Well, there is _____________ _________.

PappyD61 on May 7, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Any sane electorate would vote this President out in a landslide.

The President must have a little Jedi Sith in him. His words and give- aways seem to have a strong influence on the weak minded. What a tragedy the percentage of weak minded has climbed so high in this country.

Republicans are going to have to be united, motivated, active and lucky to win this presidential election.

Hopefully, Governor Romney can summon a bit of the force himself.

MessesWithTexas on May 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM

FIFY

Lily on May 7, 2012 at 2:04 PM

America seems to disagree with you according to the polls, which have consistently shows Ron Paul can beat Obama.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Why don’t you post the links when someone ask you to provide the polls you quote?

This is Real Clear Politics.
Sunday, May 06
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Paul vs. Obama Rasmussen Reports Obama 45, Paul 41 Obama +4

Dr Evil on May 7, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Still not out of cheatin’ range. If it’s a tie, 0bama’s minions will steal it.

Sekhmet on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I don’t know about that, team-Romney has been practicing their cheating, unfortunately for them they’ve also been caught red handed on video! Check out the videos at the link above.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:04 PM

I can’t believe that getting caught red-handed cheating in Republican caucuses, and still losing, isn’t big news here.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Romney suffered landslide defeats in Maine and Nevada this weekend. Just the latest two states adding to Romney’s growing losing streak.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Real Clear Politics
And Paul maybe added 50 delegates to his 94 delegate count. that 144 delegates vs Romney’s delegate count that’s still in the 865.

Dr Evil on May 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Republicans want to know what’s going on in Republican caucuses, don’t they? If there’s cheating, don’t they care?

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Ron Paul: no chance.

22044 on May 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM

If Ron Paul didn’t have a chance then Romney’s team wouldn’t be cheating. Didn’t we all learn this in grade-school?

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Breitbart has an excellent article today about how the lsm, talking heads, and McCain’s own staff conspired to take down his campaign and make Palin look inept. I e-mailed it to Ed and hope he runs with it. Just makes me furious but also is a look into what to expect in the upcoming election. Like Angryed, I don’t like Romney BUT UNLIKE Angryed, I intend to vote for him. And, I’m a recovering democrat from Ca. for heaven’s sake. lol….

MONACO1121 on May 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Romney suffered landslide defeats in Maine and Nevada this weekend. Just the latest two states adding to Romney’s growing losing streak.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

But those “defeats” do not represent the will of the voters. They are technical manipulations in gaming the system. They do not reflect Paul’s political support, they reflect the ability to garner delegates through a few activists manipulating the system. It is basically dishonest and dishonorable.

If Paul causes problems for the nomination, there will be a backlash against him like you have never seen. People do NOT want Ron Paul. That much is clear from his absolute lack of voter support.

Yeah, TECHNICALLY it isn’t “stealing” but yeah, it’s stealing.

crosspatch on May 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Real winners don’t cheat!

They follow the rules like Ron Paul’s supporters have been doing.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

People don’t dislike Paul as much as they detest his supporters.

crosspatch on May 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Republicans want to know what’s going on in Republican caucuses, don’t they? If there’s cheating, don’t they care?

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM

What cheating? Ron Paul is the one winning on those underground caucus in which there is no type of scrutiny.

How do you feel about Ron Paul losing when people actually vote then turning around and winning these insiders meetings in smoke-filled rooms?

Are you okay if the GOP nominee ended up being a guy with 10% of the popular vote but who dominated small caucus populated with party hacks?

joana on May 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM

But those “defeats” do not represent the will of the voters.

crosspatch on May 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Of course it does, Romney supporters could have chosen to participate in the caucuses, just like Ron Paul’s supporters have done. That’s how the process works. There was no barrier against Romney supporters. Romney just doesn’t have as very many supporters in the real world, is his problem. While Ron Paul get’s his donations from a large number of small donors, Romney get’s his millions from a much smaller group of corporations with deep pockets.

Romney’s problem is that he doesn’t have a base like Ron Paul does, and he can’t legally buy one, either.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM

If Ron Paul didn’t have a chance then Romney’s team wouldn’t be cheating. Didn’t we all learn this in grade-school?

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Romney is trying to get to 1,144 delegates and wind this thing up. Romney is already coordinating with the RNC as the defacto republican nominee to raise campaign money for general election.

Dr Evil on May 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM

What cheating? Ron Paul is the one winning on those underground caucus in which there is no type of scrutiny.

joana on May 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Underground caucuses? You’re nuts!

What cheating? This cheating!

Watch the two videos linked to in the article and tell me that’s not cheating. I dare you!

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Trying to have a rational debate with Romney supporters is just like trying to have a rational debate with Obama supporters: Hope and Change.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Both sides are cult members. It’s all about my team vs. their team. The GOP could nominate Harry Reid for president and they’d be saying how amazing Reid is.

angryed on May 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM

The Romney vs McCain result in these states was 53.5% to 45%. An 8.5% gap. Extrapolating, Obama needs to win the popular vote in these states by 2% to win the election.

joana on May 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Romney is trying to get to 1,144 delegates and wind this thing up.

Dr Evil on May 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I know that’s what he’s trying to do, but he’s losing ground fast. He keeps losing theoretical delegates while Ron Paul keeps gaining real ones. If Ron Paul keeps winning he’s going to be the Republican nominee whether you like it or not.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

But those “defeats” do not represent the will of the voters.
crosspatch on May 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

When Romney “won” Iowa by 7 votes (and 30% of the total vote), you and the Mitt-tard brigade said a win’s a win, Romney won. A win’s a win except when it’s not, I guess.

angryed on May 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

You’re nuts!

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Calm down. No need for name-calling. Are you able to keep a civil conversation?

Why didn’t you answer my questions instead of insulting people? Here, I’ll type them once again for you:

How do you feel about Ron Paul losing when people actually vote then turning around and winning these insiders meetings in smoke-filled rooms?

Are you okay if the GOP nominee ended up being a guy with 10% of the popular vote but who dominated small caucus populated with party hacks?

joana on May 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

angryed on May 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM

So true! It’s not only Obama and Romney that are so similar, the methods and tactics of their supporters are too.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM

I know that’s what he’s trying to do, but he’s losing ground fast. He keeps losing theoretical delegates while Ron Paul keeps gaining real ones. If Ron Paul keeps winning he’s going to be the Republican nominee whether you like it or not.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Won’t happen.

22044 on May 7, 2012 at 2:24 PM

FIFY

Lily on May 7, 2012 at 2:04 PM

That made me laugh.

Excellent point, and thanks for fixing it.

MessesWithTexas on May 7, 2012 at 2:24 PM

My best friend and I have an ongoing dispute… he – a pessimist, still thinks that 0bama is going to find a way to win.

I, remembering the feelings under Carter, think that he is going to lose.

I just PRAY that it’s not close. 0bama vs. the People will make Gore vs. Bush look like child’s play.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:25 PM

According to the Mitt-tards, a win is only a win when Romney wins. When he loses, a loss is still a win.

angryed on May 7, 2012 at 2:26 PM

joana on May 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I’m hearing only ….Crickets!

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

People don’t dislike Paul as much as they detest his supporters.

crosspatch on May 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I don’t detest Paul supporters, I would like to see Ron Paul drag the party toward fiscal conservatism, but that’s not going to happen as the republican nominee.

Dr Evil on May 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Calm down. No need for name-calling. Are you able to keep a civil conversation?

joana on May 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I wasn’t calling you a name. You implied that there is something sinister and conspiratorial about something that is a legitimate part of the nominating process and has been so for ages, for good reason. The caucuses aren’t “underground”, in fact Ron Paul supporters are very proud of the fact that they are winning fair and square by following the rules and have been able to document Romney’s people chating.

Ron Paul supporters were live-streaming the state caucuses in Nevada and Maine this weekend because they want the transparency to stop Romney’s side from cheating, and Romney’s people actually got caught cheating!

Ron Paul supporters would like nothing better than for the MSM to report on Ron Paul’s victories and to advertise Romney’s dirty tricks, it’s not their fault if it might appear to be “underground” because the GOP media, and the MSM to a lesser extent, are trying to keep the truth quite.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM

and the MSM to a lesser extent, are trying to keep the truth quite.

…or “underground” as you put it, Joana.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Obama is like a bad rash. Gonna be hard to get rid of. But it’s a necessity if this country is going to thrive in the 21st century.

therightwinger on May 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

More like a bad case of shingles. Hard to get rid of, leaves nasty scars, lasting nerve damage, disfigurement and chronic pain, and can be lethal. Getting rid of Obama is an absolute necessity if this country is going to survive at all.

Harbingeing on May 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

I predict that 0bama, instead of suing in one state, as Gore did, will sue in at least THREE.

We will reach Jan. 20 with the court decisions still not made, and face the prospect of someone (the military, the Tea Party, etc.) having to mass outside of the White House and force 0bama out, amid inner-city riots across the nation, while Romney waits in a D.C. office, having already taken the oath from a Justice of the Peace, a la LBJ. Our country is so divided right now, that I see this as a real possibility, and not hyperbole.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

People don’t dislike Paul as much as they detest his supporters.

crosspatch on May 7, 2012 at 2:15 PM

So you detest me? What have I ever done to you? I always try to be civil, even if I might be very good at revealing the truth that you don’t want to hear.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:31 PM

We got the candidate we needed in the end–smart, steady, and willing to fight rough. His team has been agile and effective.

writeblock on May 7, 2012 at 2:31 PM

The question will be… will Romney react with force to restore law and order, or will he let the riots burn themselves out?

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:32 PM

I predict that 0bama, instead of suing in one state, as Gore did, will sue in at least THREE.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Speaking of which, another similarity between Democrats and Romney is that Romney is sending his lawyers to Maine to contest the results, apparently without any basis, even though it was Romney supporters that were caught cheating.

In that respect, Romney is a lot like Al Gore.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:32 PM

The GW Battleground Poll is the one I really take to heart and have over the years. The best thing about this poll is when it was taken which was a time period that encompassed all the “football spiking” by Obama over Bin Laden killing. The poll started in April and ended May 3 so absolutely included the whole weekend where Obama’s creds were being polished on every LSM outlet as well as the actual “killing anniversary” and televised speech.

Obama’s ratings during this time period went up several points and are now back to normal (short-lived bounce) but this poll represents the best ratings period for Obama since May of last year.

Romney’s actually probably doing 2 – 3 points better than the GW poll reflects.

Greyledge Gal on May 7, 2012 at 2:33 PM

I predict that 0bama, instead of suing in one state, as Gore did, will sue in at least THREE.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Oh boy, didn’t think of that one. But I can totally see it happening.

Oil Can on May 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM

In that respect, Romney is a lot like Al Gore.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Al Gore, in the end, submitted to the Court’s decision. As well, he was not a sitting president in the White House.

Do you trust 0bama to vacate on Jan. 20? From everything I have seen of the man, I do not.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Romney is trying to get to 1,144 delegates and wind this thing up.

Dr Evil on May 7, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I know that’s what he’s trying to do, but he’s losing ground fast. He keeps losing theoretical delegates while Ron Paul keeps gaining real ones. If Ron Paul keeps winning he’s going to be the Republican nominee whether you like it or not.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Romney’s not losing ground fast, he’s coordinating with the RNC as the defacto republican nominee, he’s about 280 delegates away from 1,144.

How far is Ron Paul from 1,144 delegate count needed to win? With the 50 he won Maine and Nevada, that puts him at about 144 delegates.

Dr Evil on May 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM

If the courts eventually rule against 0bama, and he stays in the White House past Jan. 20, he will go down in the annals of America in eternal shame, and should be shunned as the most divisive, destructive, and unrespecting of American tradition, in history. And certainly, upon his death, not worthy of lying in state in the Capitol rotunda.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:37 PM

I wasn’t calling you a name. You implied that there is something sinister and conspiratorial about something that is a legitimate part of the nominating process and has been so for ages, for good reason. The caucuses aren’t “underground”, in fact Ron Paul supporters are very proud of the fact that they are winning fair and square by following the rules and have been able to document Romney’s people chating.

Ron Paul supporters were live-streaming the state caucuses in Nevada and Maine this weekend because they want the transparency to stop Romney’s side from cheating, and Romney’s people actually got caught cheating!

Ron Paul supporters would like nothing better than for the MSM to report on Ron Paul’s victories and to advertise Romney’s dirty tricks, it’s not their fault if it might appear to be “underground” because the GOP media, and the MSM to a lesser extent, are trying to keep the truth quite.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM

You’re the one who keeps talking about conspiracies, cheating, etc. I’ve only noticed that Ron Paul is single digit candidate that somehow turns into a powerhouse when the public scrutiny is basically non-existent.

You still haven’t answered my question:

How do you feel about Ron Paul losing when people actually vote then turning around and winning these insiders meetings in smoke-filled rooms?

Would you be okay if the GOP nominee ended up being a guy with 10% of the popular vote but who dominated small caucus populated with party hacks?

Don’t you see what insiders are doing in those caucus as perverting the will of the people?

joana on May 7, 2012 at 2:37 PM

0bama will claim that Republicans created roadblocks on the way to the polls, burned crosses in front of the polling places, and asked blacks for ID – therefore, he WON.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:39 PM

What about Ron Paul, Ed? FloatingRock keeps telling us that Ron Paul is leading in all the polls against King Obama/

JPeterman on May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

.sshhhhhhhh! He’s sleeping off his last comment-o-ganza. It’s tough work keeping that mantra going, doncha know.

The War Planner on May 7, 2012 at 2:41 PM

But Charles Barkley said it’s in the bag. I might as well go fishing.

Wait, what’s that you say? Charles Barkley is a certifiable idiot and a moral leper? Oh, well in that case, I guess I’ll go vote.

OneFreeMan on May 7, 2012 at 2:42 PM

joana on May 7, 2012 at 2:37 PM

More,…Crickets!

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM

If the courts eventually rule against 0bama, and he stays in the White House past Jan. 20, he will go down in the annals of America in eternal shame, and should be shunned as the most divisive, destructive, and unrespecting of American tradition, in history. And certainly, upon his death, not worthy of lying in state in the Capitol rotunda.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:37 PM

I don’t think Obama would do that. The Democrat party still needs to win elections after the next one in November 2012. There is just so much ill will you can build up in the American population before the party brand starts feeling the backlash. If the Democrats wanted to stay in the political wilderness, the best thing they can do is drag their feet when they lose. People are unhappy about the state of the economy and the union imagine how more unhappy they would be with a trifling political party pulling partisan tricks while they are suffering? That party brand would get all the ills what’s wrong with the country heaped on them.

If the mid term 2010 election showed anything else, it’s that people are tired of politicians, and their self interest being put before their Will – We the People.

Dr Evil on May 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Do you trust 0bama to vacate on Jan. 20? From everything I have seen of the man, I do not.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM

I trust Obama every bit as much as I trust Romney, not one bit.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Obama is sharing my valuables, not my values!

Archivarix on May 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM

..all of this said, however, I do give F.R. credit. He expresses passion for a candidate (as opposed to just bitching, whining, puking and mewling), discusses his points more or less civilly, and is reasonably polite — especially considering the abuse he receives.

I’d take him over AnnoyingEd any day of the week.

The War Planner on May 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I trust Obama every bit as much as I trust Romney, not one bit.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 2:46 PM

You have some questions from joana that need answers.

***crickets***

JPeterman on May 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM

As much as I hate to htink it, our society has gotten so litigious, that we probably are in need of some legislation as to how and when the president leaves the White House, during ongoing suits over the vote.

I mean… if neither 0bama nor Romney aren’t certified by Jan. 20, there will be no one authorized to sign bills, and no one certified to be C-in-C. The military would be in paralysis.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Mitt being chosen.

SauerKraut537 on May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Fox is very proud to have done it.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2012 at 2:55 PM

The War Planner on May 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM

FL is an intelligent HA commenter who sees what the land is doing to the young, a very concerned individual. Both sides are scrooming the future away for the kids, for different reasons, but in the end only for power and glory.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2012 at 2:57 PM

FL = FR

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I do know one thing – the person who placed 0bama in handcuffs for trespassing would not only become an instant American legend; he/she would also have to go into hiding with George Zimmerman and need massive plastic surgery and identity change to then resume life.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Should 0bama need eviction after Jan. 20, I propose the D.B. Cooper be deputized.

cane_loader on May 7, 2012 at 2:59 PM

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