Jake Tapper to Carney: How about you cut the crap and admit that Obama supports gay marriage?

posted at 4:05 pm on May 7, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via the Examiner, what are the odds that Joe Biden and Arne Duncan and, oh, 99.9 percent of the rest of the liberal intelligentsia support legalizing gay marriage but The One doesn’t? It’s getting harder every day to sustain this charade, which is why Axelrod is suddenly eager to change the subject:

Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod on Monday pivoted sharply to Mitt Romney’s views on gay marriage when reporters pressed him on the president’s stance on the issue.

On a conference call with reporters, Axelrod said there’s a “clear distinction” between Obama’s views on gay-rights issues and the presumptive GOP nominee’s views.

“There couldn’t be a starker contrast on this issue than with Gov. Romney, who has funded efforts to roll back marriage laws in California and other places,” Axelrod told reporters on the call.

In turning to Romney, Axelrod ducked a question from a reporter on whether Obama supports gay marriage.

Actually, I can’t decide whether the back-to-back Biden/Duncan endorsements are a case of those guys going rogue or something they’re coordinating with O’s campaign to test the waters on Obama himself possibly backing gay marriage. He wants to avoid that if he can lest his position alienate a key constituency (he’s already in trouble with seniors), but maybe he can’t avoid it. Like Chuck Todd says, the less “Wall Street money” Obama takes in, the more important “gay money” and other fundraising sources become. Beyond that, if the economy continues to stall, The One will become increasingly desperate to change the subject — so much so that he might prefer to roll the dice on backing gay marriage in hopes of creating a sensational distraction. It’d be a risky play, but if the new post-austerity Europe performs the way everyone expects, the odds of the U.S. economy recovering before November will deteriorate and he’ll be a very long longshot to win. A culture-war campaign could be his Hail Mary pass. Anyone seriously believe it would work, though?

Two clips here, one of Tapper and the other of Carney once again trying to explain Obama’s position on same-sex marriage. I think he’s saying that O supports civil unions and that he opposes any state attempts to repeal domestic partnership rights once they’ve been granted, i.e. a one-way ratchet, but I’m not sure Carney’s 100% confident that he understands Obama’s position on this either. Oh, and as for Axelrod’s point about Romney opposing gay rights, here’s a PDF reminder of where Mitt stood circa 1994. Is the real Romney a gay-marriage opponent who was pretending to support “full equality” then in order to get elected in a blue state or is he a gay-marriage supporter who’s pretending to oppose full equality now in order to get elected in a purplish nation?



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Yes, the militant wing of the gay movement is annoying… but if you were treated by society as something less than human and worthless, you might resent it a bit no?

crashland on May 7, 2012 at 6:55 PM

The tale of the oppressed and put-upon Western homosexual is a myth.

Cleombrotus on May 7, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Can two heterosexual women marry each other? No? Why not? They’re not gay.

JohnBrown on May 7, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Yes, the militant wing of the gay movement is annoying…
crashland on May 7, 2012 at 6:55 PM

You sir, (or madam) are the problem.

Cleombrotus on May 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

OY

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM

By promoting conservative ideology? Kinda proves everyone’s point about you doesn’t it? You don’t want to be a part of the conservative movement, you want to change it. There already is a political party that supports your agenda, join them.

lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Yep, once again, simply because I support gay marriage, I should be a progressive liberal regardless of all my other views and stances on various issues…social and fiscal…are right along with most conservatives. Grow up.

And what is non-conservative about giving everyone a level playing field, and letting PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY reign instead of crying the blues about two people getting married that really isn’t any of your damn business and reeks of playing the ol’ “victim card” that we chastise liberals for doing ad nauseum.

Seems to me you’d be more welcome at the progressive’s table.

JetBoy on May 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

OY

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM

I second that “OY” and I’m not even Jewish :P

Ain’t easy trying to understand why someone elses marriage is such a horrible thing to some people. Certainly the so-called tiny percentage of gays in the country won’t make any difference.

Gotta split, good to see ya, and don’t sweat the ‘phobes too much.

JetBoy on May 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Yep, once again, simply because I support gay marriage, I should be a progressive liberal regardless of all my other views and stances on various issues…social and fiscal…are right along with most conservatives. Grow up.

Grow up? You come on this site bashing conservatives and their traditional ideology then whine about it and you tell me to grow up? Take your garbage somewhere else, if you want to pipe in on the destructive forces of liberalism, have at it, but this constant barrage of you pushing your liberal ideology on us gets old. We don’t need to change our position, we’re in the right. So go peddle your liberal gay rights agenda somewhere else.

lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM

lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM
Oh, dude (or dudette?)
Did that make you feel better ?
Sigh.

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 8:08 PM

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 8:08 PM

What is wrong with you? Why do think your welcome pushing your garbage here. This is supposed to be a conservative website. If I wanted to argue against liberal ideas I go to a liberal website. Is that so hard to grasp? Eventuality, because as been pointed out dozens of time on this thread alone, you have an agenda. You’re not satisfied to leave us conservatives alone, you push your agenda, on a conservative website, then whine constantly on the reaction to it. Have you no self awareness? At all?

lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM

What is wrong with you? Why do think your welcome pushing your garbage here…. as been pointed out dozens of time on this thread alone, you have an agenda….
lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Oh, Good Lord… I have no ‘agenda’, unless that’s actually listening to the heart of those whose opinions differ from yours, (and sometimes mine, too) with understanding, grace, and respect.

Got a prollem widdat ??

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Oh, Good Lord… I have no ‘agenda’, unless that’s actually listening to the heart of those whose opinions differ from yours, (and sometimes mine, too) with understanding, grace, and respect.

Got a prollem widdat ??

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM

With understanding, grace and respect? Wow, when you come on here pushing your gay rights agenda you’ve already shown you have no respect for conservatives. If you had even an ounce of self awareness you would know that.

lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 8:32 PM

and don’t sweat the ‘phobes too much.

JetBoy on May 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

You know who else calls conservatives “homophobes”, when they stand up for traditional marriage and family values?

Leftists.

Yeah.

Rebar on May 7, 2012 at 8:38 PM

lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 8:32 PM
Respect for conservatives??
Uh hunh … define “self awareness” for me, K?
Does that make me a closet gay? Oh, yeah, that’s it !
Good Lord.

I am as conservative as you can get, but live with, love, embrace, preach to, pray for, an amazing group of gays, K ??

Is that DISrespecting conservatives ?
Whatever, dude….

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Is the real Romney a gay-marriage opponent who was pretending to support “full equality” then in order to get elected in a blue state or is he a gay-marriage supporter who’s pretending to oppose full equality now in order to get elected in a purplish nation?

Whether or not you support same-sex marriage, please understand that homosexuals enjoy “full equality” now. The marriage laws apply to us all. What the members of the GLBT lobby seek are special rights for their special circumstances.

I didn’t see anything in that PDF specifically addressing marriage. Perhaps Romney agrees with me and supported civil unions that grant most of the legal benefits of marriage. Why only “most”? Well, since I don’t particularly care what consenting adults do in private, I tend to look at these things from the POV of what’s best for children (and therefore society). And study after study after study concludes being raised in a traditional family with a father (male) married to a mother (female) is what’s best for children. Accordingly, I don’t want “full equality” adoption. Married couples should always be given preference over same-sex couples (and singles) so consequently marriage can’t include same-sex couples and neither can civil unions confer adoption equality. Much as people would like to pretend there’s no difference between same-sex and opposite-sex, there is and it matters.

SukieTawdry on May 7, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Yep, once again, simply because I support gay marriage, I should be a progressive liberal regardless of all my other views and stances on various issues…social and fiscal…are right along with most conservatives. Grow up.

Actually, it has more to do with the fact that you chuck all of those in the garbage when a liberal waves gay-sex marriage in front of you.

Which is far more consistent with the Obama Party. And you fit their typical base member, which is that you don’t care about anything other than having your minority status pandered to regularly.

And what is non-conservative about giving everyone a level playing field, and letting PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY reign instead of crying the blues about two people getting married that really isn’t any of your damn business and reeks of playing the ol’ “victim card” that we chastise liberals for doing ad nauseum.

JetBoy on May 7, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Everyone has a level playing field. Regardless of your sexual orientation, marriage is limited to opposite-sex couples.

What you are demanding is the “right” to marry whatever sexually attracts you, cloaked in flowery words about “love” and how “horrible” it would be to be denied marriage to the person you “love”. And for some reason, you and your fellow gay-sex marriage supporters run away whenever someone like myself points out your hypocrisy in opposing marriage, and thus denying “love” and condemning people to a horrible life, for those attracted to children, animals, multiple persons, and blood relatives.

Again, conservatives believe in equal opportunity. You don’t. You believe in special treatment and privileges based on what you insist are your inborn characteristics, which means you’re no different than your Barack Obama and your Van Jones.

northdallasthirty on May 7, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Oh, Good Lord… I have no ‘agenda’, unless that’s actually listening to the heart of those whose opinions differ from yours, (and sometimes mine, too) with understanding, grace, and respect.

Got a prollem widdat ??

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM
Uh hunh … define “self awareness” for me, K?

*crickets* ????????????????????

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM

THis is another example of Obama trying to have it both ways. Sure Tapper pressed Carney on it, but Carney got away with the answer, with no follow-up from the press corps.

The real answer is, if Obama needs to support gay marriage to win the election, he’ll support it whole-heartedly and give George Clooney a big kiss on stage(for another campaign donation of course).

bflat879 on May 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM

bflat879 on May 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM

True dat !

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 9:12 PM

lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 8:32 PM

And, so I wait… *crickets*
Shoot, folks, what does that mean ??
I dunno ! ;-)

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 9:24 PM

If you had even an ounce of self awareness you would know that.

lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 8:32 PM

*crickets*
Sure hope JB finds this one… sigh.

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Is the real Romney a gay-marriage opponent who was pretending to support “full equality” then in order to get elected in a blue state or is he a gay-marriage supporter who’s pretending to oppose full equality now in order to get elected in a purplish nation?

This will forever be the fun of having Romney as a candidate – we will never truly know which side of a position he really cares for, because he’s taken all sides at some point in the past.

How inspiring.

Midas on May 7, 2012 at 9:31 PM

lowandslow on May 7, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Silence can be deafening, no ??

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Before I head to the sack… keep up the good work, Jake!
We stand with you, as does Breitbart !!
:-)

pambi on May 7, 2012 at 10:41 PM

“It is as it was.”

What a load of crap, Chili Con Carney!!

Sherman1864 on May 7, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Certainly the so-called tiny percentage of gays in the country won’t make any difference.

JetBoy on May 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Just curious if you answer a couple of questions.

1. Can you point out any studies that actually prove homosexuality is not a choice, but a genetic condition?

2. At what point do you stop your marriage definition? More than one wife? Marrying your dog/horse/gerbil? What does “marriage” mean to you at this point? And why even have the definition when it means nothing according to you guys?

3. If, as you yourself pointed out above, you guys are such a tiny percentage of the population, why are you so hell bent on forcing your views on the rest of us, vast majority, and our kids? Its incredible to see same group that screams and demands “civility” from the vast majority of us (even by your own definition above) you are surely intolerant of others’ views when it comes to your chosen lifestyle. Why the intolerance and rage/hate from you guys?

4. You were given a sensible choice (from where I sit) of having “unions”, you willingly elected to say No. Why should the rest of us accomodate your chosen lifestyle when it so contradicts with what’s known as “marriage” and is based on thousands of years of human history and common sense? Ever hear of “pro-creation”? Look it up, its an interesting concept and the only reason you and your crowd are even here on this Earth to begin with.

Our close friends, he as macho as they get, 3 years ago told us their son told them he is gay, they were devastated. And now they also “subscribe” to the “genetic BS theory”. Too bad they don’t recall that I was buying our son sports equipment and boy’s toys while they were buying their son kitchen sets and dolls and calling him girl’s nicknames as he grew up. Hmmm… Genetics my ash…

We’re not asking you guys for much, we are simply asking you to leave well enough alone and face the reality. You want civil unions? Sure, go ahead, have at it. Just do not change the fundamentals of history that ensured your existence here.

riddick on May 8, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Just do not change the fundamentals of history that ensured your existence here.

riddick on May 8, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Come on, gays need marriage – you can’t sue people who refuse to kowtow to the homosexual lifestyle with just civil unions!

Rebar on May 8, 2012 at 2:16 AM

Um, acting as a 1-Man Supreme Court then ordering the DOJ not to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act didn’t clue people in that he supports gay marriage?! Then again, I am confused – Muslims do not tolerate homosexuality, so his tolerance/support of it makes little sense to me.

easyt65 on May 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM

Jay Carney, again, giving the weasel community a bad rap! :(

BigSven on May 8, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Come on, gays need marriage – you can’t sue people who refuse to kowtow to the homosexual lifestyle with just civil unions!

Rebar on May 8, 2012 at 2:16 AM

DING DING DING! Thread Winner!

This isn’t about “Equal Rights”. It’s about crushing Christians and driving as many of them out of business as possible. It’s about REVENGE for emotional slights.

wearyman on May 8, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Just curious if you answer a couple of questions.

1. Can you point out any studies that actually prove homosexuality is not a choice, but a genetic condition?

2. At what point do you stop your marriage definition? More than one wife? Marrying your dog/horse/gerbil? What does “marriage” mean to you at this point? And why even have the definition when it means nothing according to you guys?

3. If, as you yourself pointed out above, you guys are such a tiny percentage of the population, why are you so hell bent on forcing your views on the rest of us, vast majority, and our kids? Its incredible to see same group that screams and demands “civility” from the vast majority of us (even by your own definition above) you are surely intolerant of others’ views when it comes to your chosen lifestyle. Why the intolerance and rage/hate from you guys?

4. You were given a sensible choice (from where I sit) of having “unions”, you willingly elected to say No. Why should the rest of us accomodate your chosen lifestyle when it so contradicts with what’s known as “marriage” and is based on thousands of years of human history and common sense? Ever hear of “pro-creation”? Look it up, its an interesting concept and the only reason you and your crowd are even here on this Earth to begin with.

Our close friends, he as macho as they get, 3 years ago told us their son told them he is gay, they were devastated. And now they also “subscribe” to the “genetic BS theory”. Too bad they don’t recall that I was buying our son sports equipment and boy’s toys while they were buying their son kitchen sets and dolls and calling him girl’s nicknames as he grew up. Hmmm… Genetics my ash…

We’re not asking you guys for much, we are simply asking you to leave well enough alone and face the reality. You want civil unions? Sure, go ahead, have at it. Just do not change the fundamentals of history that ensured your existence here.

riddick on May 8, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Hope you check back and see this.


1. Can you point out any studies that actually prove homosexuality is not a choice, but a genetic condition?

I’ve never claimed Homosexuality is genetic…it may be, but could also have something to do with testosterone levels in the womb. The whole “gay is a choice” crap is just that…CRAP. You’re probably the type of person who would submit gays to electro-shock therapy and send us all to some Fundamentalist “Pray the Gay Away” camp.

Can you point aout any studies that prove “gay” is a choice?

2. At what point do you stop your marriage definition? More than one wife? Marrying your dog/horse/gerbil? What does “marriage” mean to you at this point? And why even have the definition when it means nothing according to you guys?

My definition of marriage is probably the same as yours. The only difference would be to expand, not replace, on the “man and woman” statement to include “man and man” and “woman and woman”. That’s the only thing that changes, despite your active imagination.

3. If, as you yourself pointed out above, you guys are such a tiny percentage of the population, why are you so hell bent on forcing your views on the rest of us, vast majority, and our kids? Its incredible to see same group that screams and demands “civility” from the vast majority of us (even by your own definition above) you are surely intolerant of others’ views when it comes to your chosen lifestyle. Why the intolerance and rage/hate from you guys?

I am not “forcing my views” on anyone! If you want to believe gays are puppets of Satan, go right ahead. Heck, grab a protest sign which reads “God Hates Fags” and join the Westboro douchebags. Knock yourself out.

Legalizing gay marriage doesn’t change a single thing related to straight marriage. Gays don’t want to take over marriage, or destroy it, we just want to share it. So a few gays get married…the Earth will still rotate around the sun, taxes will still be too high, and the traffic on I-95 will still be backed up at rush hour. You simply “don’t like” the notion of gay marriage. So don’t get one.

4. You were given a sensible choice (from where I sit) of having “unions”, you willingly elected to say No. Why should the rest of us accomodate your chosen lifestyle when it so contradicts with what’s known as “marriage” and is based on thousands of years of human history and common sense? Ever hear of “pro-creation”? Look it up, its an interesting concept and the only reason you and your crowd are even here on this Earth to begin with.

So “separate but equal” is a sensible choice? And again, neither you or anyone else would be “forced to accommodate” a damn thing. I don’t want anything from you, and neither does anyone else. Again, you just don’t like it. Call the whaaaaambulace.

The long historical definition of marriage, huh? When women had to marry as a virgin, or be stoned by her male counterpart. When wives had to submit to their husbands or risk a beating. I would think you’d know about how wives are treated by radical Islamists…or is it your belief that marriage is only a Christian thing. I mean, at what point does your history of marriage stop, and which related points are ignored by you? This isn’t about any religious faith…it’s about the secular state…get that through your head.

And procreation, as far as I’ve ever seen, isn’t a requirement of marriage. Marriage is about the bond between two individual adults, and if they choose to raise a family, great. They certainly do not have to raise biological children. As I’ve said, there are quite a few gay men and women who have biological kids, or adopt. Alas, you just don’t like the whole idea…maybe you should stop having so many gay children then.


Our close friends, he as macho as they get, 3 years ago told us their son told them he is gay, they were devastated. And now they also “subscribe” to the “genetic BS theory”. Too bad they don’t recall that I was buying our son sports equipment and boy’s toys while they were buying their son kitchen sets and dolls and calling him girl’s nicknames as he grew up. Hmmm… Genetics my ash…

My gawd, but you are dense as concrete. Where is it written that genetics absolutely do not play a role in homosexuality? And cut the crap about sports equipment vs. dolls. I am far from the only gay dude who played sports…Football, Lacrosse, Skiing…even bowling and tennis. I don’t wear dresses or heels, talk with a lisp, or flit around. I don’t want to screw every straight guy I see, I don’t care much for techno music…anything else you want to know about me?

You really have an ego complex, being so right all the time. And you live in some Norman Rockwell/50′s sitcom family world. You seem not to mention all the straight marriage divorce rates, kids who are abused, physically and mentally, by a straight couple raising a family within that historical definition of marriage you love so much. Husbands sometimes kill their wives, and vice-versa. In married couples with families, there is infidelity going on perhaps by one or both persons in marriage. The list goes on…your precious “definition” of marriage sure does cherry-pick the nice things away from all those not-so-nice things.

We’re not asking you guys for much, we are simply asking you to leave well enough alone and face the reality. You want civil unions? Sure, go ahead, have at it. Just do not change the fundamentals of history that ensured your existence here.

Oh, thank you kind soul…for not wanting “much” from us gays. That’s very generous of you. Again, I don’t want a gawd-damned thing from you. You want gays to “leave things be”…so you can continue to keep your fine-tuned “definition” of marriage. Dang, I suppose those slaves down South should have “let things be” so as to keep that “definition” of a grand and glorious Confederacy complete with large plantation homes and a gaggle of slaves doing all the work while Scarlett O’Hara trapeses about.

JetBoy on May 8, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Does it really matter?

I mean if we are all the true libertarians that we say we are, why should we care what two people choose to do? It’s none of our business.

We talk about family values, so in a way, we ought to be supportive of gay men and women that are willing to make a legal commitment to one another and establish their own legal “family”. Presumably then, the two partners are not Tom Catting around at the bars, but are remaining true to their partners.

And don’t give me any cr*p about not being a conservative. I was conservative before most of you were even born.

Old Fritz on May 8, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Follow up questions:

…how about you cut the crap and admit that Obama:

- Is a Pyongyang candidate
- Will replace Biden with Debbie Wasserman Schultz
- Never attended classes at Harvard
- Detests Christians
- Detests Jews
- Detests how America was founded

Please get back to us with answers.

sdbatboy on May 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Tapper: “He’s still evolving?”
Carney: “It is as it was, yes.”

An interesting self-contradicting definition of evolving. Change = something that stays the same as it was before. Oh, I get it. It was always evolving.

Getting a liberal to take a position or define that position can be like nailing jello to the wall.

shick on May 8, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Carney gives new meaning to word PUTZ.

IlonaE on May 8, 2012 at 11:14 AM

It’s none of our business.

Old Fritz on May 8, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Ask Elaine Huguenin how it is our business, because the progressive homosexual agenda will make sure it’s our business.

Rebar on May 8, 2012 at 11:51 AM

And procreation, as far as I’ve ever seen, isn’t a requirement of marriage. Marriage is about the bond between two individual adults, and if they choose to raise a family, great. They certainly do not have to raise biological children. As I’ve said, there are quite a few gay men and women who have biological kids, or adopt. Alas, you just don’t like the whole idea…maybe you should stop having so many gay children then.

Jetboy

Certainly procreation is NOT a requirement for marriage but generally speaking it is the precursor to it. Having said that, marriage is an institution designed for the protection of women to ensure the survival of the species. Gays simply are incapable of procreation. Marriage is NOT about the bond between two adults,it is THE CONTRACT between a man and a woman by any reasonable definition. Gay men and women having children is probably the result of those involved involved in fraudulent marriages because they lied to their spouses (and themselves) prior to marriage while subscribing to the genetic theory of how one becomes gay.

Your notion of the world is so f*cked up as to defy description. I don’t care if you want to have a same sex partner. But, as far as I’m concerned marriage IS/HAS BEEN (and always should be) a heterosexual institution.

I’m sorry you’re a deviant. But, I won’t support your “assumed” right to something that clearly you don’t deserve.

DevilsPrinciple on May 8, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Again, I don’t want a gawd-damned thing from you.

JetBoy on May 8, 2012 at 9:57 AM

HUH!?

You are seriously delusional.

And incapable of logical thinking per your “replies” above. “Studies” to prove homosexuality is a choice? None are required by now, its a well known fact by now after countless attempts to prove otherwise.

You guys don’t want anything from us? REALLY??? REALLY?????

Are you just stupid or think that any of the crap you post and claim will just go “woosh” by us? You morons did not force state of CA to force homosexual studies upon countless kids in public schools? You do not have moronic parades though our cities celebrating what exactly? What’s next, beastiality brigades parading their “partners”, why would they be any different than you in claiming their “rights”? You guys are not forcing changes to the USA and state Constitutions to “justify” your lifestyle choice? Ever hear of Prop 8 and why is it still an issue, after voters have spoken, if you guys don’t want anything from us?

And you still claim you guys don’t want a “gawd-damned thing” from us? Not according to your actions.

Like I said, look up “pro-creation” and try to understand what it means.

As for bad behavior in hetero males, you make it sound like you guys are nothing but saints. Yeah, right…

riddick on May 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

I think Romney should lump all of these issues together in a provocative look at how the Obama adminstration is intent on telling the states what to do about all issues. He can point out that a majority of states have decided to define the word marriage as that between a man and a woman. Obama doesn’t repect that- Obama doesn’t respect a state that passes legislation to deal with their immigration crisis. He doesn’t respect a states right to make sure a voter is a real voter with voter ID. He decides on his own whether to respect laws duly enacted by congress (ie: Protection of Marriage Act) claiming it’s unconstitutional before a court of last resort says so. He makes appointments while the Senate is in session without the approval of the senate. I think you see where I a going with this line of reasoning- You can tie all this stuff up together to show Obama doesn’t respect states abilities to legislate and doesn’t respect Congress either. He seems to think he can substitute his own views for that of the states or Congress when it suits his political needs.

jake22 on May 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Obviously this is an instance of running it up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes.

As it were.

ConservativeLA on May 8, 2012 at 2:55 PM

who cares? when the economy takes a severe dive and gas is $10 a gallon, no one is going to be concerned about gay marriage

burserker on May 8, 2012 at 3:14 PM

The whole “gay is a choice” crap is just that…CRAP.

Or so says the person who tries to use “biological children” as an excuse for why gays need marriage.

For some reason, gay heroes Jim McGreevey and “Bishop” Gene Robinson had no trouble marrying women and fathering children, only to discover that they were truly gay when they decided they didn’t like their wives anymore and needed a socially acceptable reason to ditch them.

That simple fact is why you then resort to this:

You’re probably the type of person who would submit gays to electro-shock therapy and send us all to some Fundamentalist “Pray the Gay Away” camp.

And you’re quite clearly a barebacking little bigot who can’t stop yourself from having sex with your own children and giving them HIV.

You want to play that way, troll? Go right ahead. And if you start whining and screaming that it’s not fair to say that about you, then you’ve just demonstrated what a complete and total hypocrite you are.

My definition of marriage is probably the same as yours. The only difference would be to expand, not replace, on the “man and woman” statement to include “man and man” and “woman and woman”. That’s the only thing that changes, despite your active imagination.

Actually, that makes it pretty clear that marriage is nothing more than access to the welfare pot for adults and that children are irrelevant.

Which brings us to this:

So “separate but equal” is a sensible choice?

Actually, it’s better than you deserve, given that the only thing marriage would allow you to do is to demand benefits and gimmes that were meant to protect the welfare of children that you produced — which will never be a problem.

There’s no such thing as “equal” here. You want all the benefits of marriage without the responsibility or the return value to society. No sale.

And again, neither you or anyone else would be “forced to accommodate” a damn thing. I don’t want anything from you, and neither does anyone else. Again, you just don’t like it. Call the whaaaaambulace.

Which is why you keep screaming about all the tax benefits and “rights” that you’re supposedly being “denied”. Looks like you’re nothing more than Sandra Fluke with a higher voice.

The long historical definition of marriage, huh? When women had to marry as a virgin, or be stoned by her male counterpart. When wives had to submit to their husbands or risk a beating. I would think you’d know about how wives are treated by radical Islamists…or is it your belief that marriage is only a Christian thing. I mean, at what point does your history of marriage stop, and which related points are ignored by you? This isn’t about any religious faith…it’s about the secular state…get that through your head.

Yup. In every one of the examples you cited, marriage is between a man and a woman. Your attempt to confuse the issue by mingling it with women’s status in society is entertaining, but unfortunately transparent.

And procreation, as far as I’ve ever seen, isn’t a requirement of marriage. Marriage is about the bond between two individual adults, and if they choose to raise a family, great. They certainly do not have to raise biological children. As I’ve said, there are quite a few gay men and women who have biological kids, or adopt. Alas, you just don’t like the whole idea…maybe you should stop having so many gay children then.

And there we see the redefinition.

The reason for marriage in the first place is to provide a stable environment for the children that are a natural outgrowth of opposite-couple sex and which are completely incapable of taking care of themselves or supporting themselves financially.

Liberals like yourself ignore that fact completely and instead demand that you be allowed to raid the public pot rather than sucking it up and being responsible for your own welfare like adults are supposed to be.

And you live in some Norman Rockwell/50′s sitcom family world. You seem not to mention all the straight marriage divorce rates, kids who are abused, physically and mentally, by a straight couple raising a family within that historical definition of marriage you love so much. Husbands sometimes kill their wives, and vice-versa. In married couples with families, there is infidelity going on perhaps by one or both persons in marriage. The list goes on…your precious “definition” of marriage sure does cherry-pick the nice things away from all those not-so-nice things.

And there we see the true hatred and loathing that JetBoy has for marriage.

This is where the lies of liberal gays and lesbians like JetBoy become blatantly obvious. They claim they want to share in marriage and that they respect it, but then they scream and whine and cry about how marriage is all about killing your spouse, abusing your children, infidelity, and so forth.

The fact is this: marriage is a positive thing for the vast majority of couples that choose it, and the virtue of marriage in providing a stable and functioning environment for children FAR outweighs the bad acts that people do occasionally commit within it.

Gay-sex marriage such as JetBoy wants would have all the abuse, all the murder, and all the infidelity, but with no chance whatsoever of the return value.

One more point with that: show me one gay-sex marriage group that actively speaks out against divorce and infidelity. Just one. I’ll save you the effort; there are none, because gay-sex marriage comes from the same liberal ideology that promotes promiscuity and commitment-free marriage.

And finally:

Oh, thank you kind soul…for not wanting “much” from us gays. That’s very generous of you. Again, I don’t want a gawd-damned thing from you. You want gays to “leave things be”…so you can continue to keep your fine-tuned “definition” of marriage. Dang, I suppose those slaves down South should have “let things be” so as to keep that “definition” of a grand and glorious Confederacy complete with large plantation homes and a gaggle of slaves doing all the work while Scarlett O’Hara trapeses about.

JetBoy on May 8, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Wrong. You want welfare benefits you didn’t earn and for us to subsidize your laziness without you providing a single bit of value back to society.

And for you to compare yourself to what actual, real-life slaves went through only demonstrates that you have a degree of self-absorption that might even shame Barack Obama.

northdallasthirty on May 8, 2012 at 10:06 PM

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