US demands UN give back donated land and go home.

Huh, what? So-called “native American’s” were not the first people to populate North America? Europeans did about 18000 years ago?!

Oops!

http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news168.htm

http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-44123.html

But there may be cases where a valid legal case could result in some return of lands or other compensation which might provide some new opportunities and a chance for prosperity to people who are admittedly living in crushing poverty.

Let me guess, that “return of lands” would be in one of the square states. How about we give back Long Island as a test case? Once that proves to be effective, we can continue to, let’s say, Kansas.

The solution is to dissolve the reservations and to intigrate the tribes into modern American society. Only that route provides a potential path to prosperity. D.GOOCH

DGOOCH on May 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM

And I agree with you as well. Thing is, the tribes themselves don’t want that. They would rather live on handouts, given the chance. The history of America writ-large does not bode well for their future…

I bet if Elizabeth Warren were in the Senate she would meet with him. No doubt she would want to do what is right for “her people”.

ButterflyDragon on May 6, 2012 at 7:40 PM

maybe just 1/36 of her people… or maybe just 1/36 of her people in taxachussets…..

oh, it’s so confusing….

Two in a row… Now I want to know WTH “rapporteur” means.

LtGenRob on May 6, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I think it was a Blondie song.

QUESTION:

What was the Native American unemployment rate in 1491?

Also, if we decide to give it back, let’s start with Manhattan… more specifically, UN Headquarters.

Glenn Jericho on May 6, 2012 at 11:15 PM

How ’bout the UN return the land they occupy in New York City FIRST???

Using Liberal-logic, the UN is not even qualified to discuss land give-backs unless they ARE a land give-backer!!!

Funny!

Also, I was always under the impression that most native americans had the ideology that, …”Hey, the land doesn’t BELONG to US!!!,…..WE belong to the LAND!!!”

I read somewhere that when the native americans were offered payment for the land,…they didn’t really buy into the notion of owning the land, and their reply was probably a big smile with ….”Sure,….would you like to buy the moon as well!!!”

Let ‘em have Detroit.

viking01 on May 6, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Or how about Dearborn? I think a muslim-indian war might be pretty entertaining.

Therefore, if a member of a tribe wants to open, say, a grocery store, he/she goes to a bank for a loan. The bank says, “Okay, but what can you put up as collateral?” “Well, I have some land…” “Great — hey, that’s reservation land! If you can’t pay back your loan, we can’t take any of your land. Sorry, no loan.”

No loan, no way to open that store and start making a free-enterprise living.

I suppose there are various kinds of government loans available, but in general, it seems to me that not being able to use their land the way other Americans do — as collateral — is part of the problem.

It’s ironic: The U.S. Government, after breaking treaty upon treaty, tells the tribes that the land cannot belong to anyone else but the tribes. In cases where tribal members would like to use a few acres of land to secure a loan, they can’t do it, because that land is their tribe’s forever.

But it’s a segregation the Native Americans choose! That’s the bear of it…they insist we “follow the treaties” even to the continuing detriment of their own people.

gryphon202 on May 6, 2012 at 11:01 PM

gryphon,

I don’t disagree with you. I agree that the plight of the tribes (I refuse to call them “Native Americans.” I am a native American — i.e. born in America — just as much as someone born into the tribes) is largely self-inflicted. My point was only to take issue with the notion that some legal settlement based on anicent wrongs would actually help. It would not. It would be a source of further corruption and waste piled on top of the corruption and waste that has spawned from the reservation model.

The solution is to dissolve the reservations and to intigrate the tribes into modern American society. Only that route provides a potential path to prosperity. D.GOOCH

The only ones that did succeed were those who moved away from the reservations and centers of American Indians and became immersed in the culture of America outside the American Indian Culture.