Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on May 6, 2012 by Allahpundit

Nicolas Sarkozy’s defeat in the French presidential election makes him the ninth European leader to be booted out since the region’s debt crisis began…

Sarkozy joins a long list of victims of the crisis, which began with subprime mortgages in the U.S. before causing government yields to diverge across Europe. Leaders in Ireland, Portugal, Greece, Italy, Spain, Slovenia, Slovakia and the Netherlands were elbowed out from their posts…

Sarkozy campaigned in 2007 promising to create jobs and boost purchasing power. The fallout from the financial crisis hit France through 2008, driving the unemployment rate from a 30-year low of 7.5 percent in early 2008 to almost 10 percent at the end of 2011.

***

Hollande inherits an economy that’s a driver of the European Union but is deep in debt. He wants more government stimulus, and more government spending in general, despite concerns in the markets that France needs to urgently trim its huge debt…

Hollande intends to modify one of Sarkozy’s key reforms, over the retirement age, to allow some people to retire at 60 instead of 62. He also plans to increase spending in a range of sectors and wants to ease France off its dependence on nuclear energy. He favors legalizing euthanasia and gay marriage…

“We’re going to call France the new Greece,” said Laetitia Barone, 19. “Hollande is now very dangerous.”

***

Wealthy French people are looking to London as a refuge from fresh taxes on high earners pledged by candidates in the country’s presidential elections.

The “soak the rich” rhetoric that has punctuated the presidential campaign has prompted a sharp rise in the numbers weighing a move across the Channel, according to London-based wealth managers, lawyers and property agents specialising in French clients…

Mr Blanc says some French clients were even contemplating acquiring British or other nationality in order to safeguard assets from fears that France could move to collect more tax from citizens overseas. “A lot of people are extremely worried,” he said.

***

Hollande’s election could have a major impact on the future course of the European Union. Hollande has said he would seek to renegotiate the painstakingly agreed fiscal pact in order to include a component to ensure growth — a demand that has ruffled feathers in Berlin. According to a report in the French daily Le Figaro, Hollande plans to hold a telephone conversation with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Sunday night…

Hollande’s political platforms were radical compared to Sarkozy’s, but they also helped him to score points with voters. One proposal is to tax any earnings over €1 million at a rate of 75 percent… Hollande also said he would withdraw all French soldiers from Afghanistan by the end of the year if elected.

***

The crowd, many too young to remember Mitterrand’s triumph, spilled onto the steps of the Bastille Opera House – a modernist legacy of the Mitterrand era – clutching flags emblazoned with the Socialist logo of a clenched fist around a rose.

Some activists brandishing Communist Party flags and pink and purple balloons clambered up the base of a column erected on the site of the Bastille prison stormed during the 1789 French revolution…

In a flashback to the days after Mitterrand’s victory, when older conservatives feared France would turn Communist and lined up to withdraw their savings from banks, [a Hollande supporter] added: “I only hope the markets don’t attack us tomorrow.”

***

But Hollande’s ideas could be put to a concrete test very quickly — like, on Monday — by the financial markets that Hollande described during the campaign as “the enemy.” The elections in Greece, which also took place today, may make the markets even more jittery and speculators more aggressive. And France is going to have to borrow about €180 billion ($240 billion) before the end of the year. Under Sarkozy it already lost its AAA credit rating. If borrowing rates start to climb dramatically the hope of clawing out of the slump will fade very quickly.

So Hollande’s first move is to try to find a way to come to terms with Merkel, or persuade her to come to terms with him.

***

“Markets will not attack France right away,” said Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, a research fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “But there is a risk that if Mr. Hollande does not act early on, France will become the next sick man of Europe.”…

But many economists are skeptical that France will be able to move toward greater openness, especially in its rigid labor markets. High social charges that companies pay to help finance France’s generous welfare system, combined with lengthy hiring and firing processes, deter employers from adding significant numbers of new jobs…

What is more, while French labor unions have shrunk in membership over the years, they still wield outsize influence that employers say can paralyze companies that need to shed jobs or cut other expenses to adapt to worsening economic conditions.

***

Despite fears that he will pursue a “dangerous” economic policy featuring a return to Keynesian tax-and-spend practices, Hollande and his campaign team have told the Germans that this has been ruled out. “We can’t do Keynesianism twice in 10 years,” Michel Sapin, the former finance minister who wrote Hollande’s economic programme, told senior German diplomats, according to a confidential note obtained by the Guardian.

“Hollande is aware that right at the start of his term in office, he will have to spell out hard truths to the French,” says the eight-page memo from the German embassy in Paris to Angela Merkel’s office in Berlin. Hollande has vowed to launch his reform programme as soon as he takes office on 15 May, prioritising a rise in taxes for the wealthiest and curbing the state deficit…

“It is absolutely essential to generate growth but this can only be accomplished by supply-side measures and is no longer possible through state spending programmes,” the Hollande team told the German diplomats.

***

The United States needs France. Yes, that sounds like a joke, but France is the only country capable of leading Europe politically. However close a relationship with Germany that the United States requires, once beyond the realm of economic survival, the point of diminishing returns is quickly reached. Simply put, the United States cannot do anything of political consequence solely through a partnership with Germany. But with a real, live European-style socialist in Paris, U.S. President Barack Obama will face a Hobson’s choice: work closely with Hollande and incur the wrath of Republicans, or distance himself from Hollande and squander yet another opportunity to ensure that Europe’s future is as fully as possible in the hands of its greatest power…

The bigger picture, however, is that American life is made substantially more difficult by Hollande’s inevitable and foreshadowed refusal to lead Europe and make Europe a leading force in the world. The political inspiration that only France can provide Europe will have to be played once again by a United States that is historically tired of playing that role. A U.S. Treasury spokesperson has already declared that the United States has no intention of supplying more money to the IMF to substitute for an adequate eurozone firewall. America’s traditional desire not to squander its energies on managing European problems is poised to return with full force, and not just within a single major political party. A weak France led by a colorless holdover from a defunct past is not just bad news for France, no matter how frustrated voters have become with Sarkozy. It’s awful news for the United States and for any U.S. president obliged to figure out how to help Europe out of its current morass by doing anything other than writing checks.

***

By an irony of history, the electors have chosen a second Socialist president at the moment when the acceleration of the deconstruction of the welfare state is the only option.

While the agenda of the new term has not really been the subject of discussion, it involves a profound reform of the French social model.

Since the emergence of an absolute monarchy in the 16th century, France has been dominated by the idea of an omnipotent state. In France social crises take place when the state can no longer function because people does not know how operate in its absence.

The Left is taking on a momentous burden as it dismantles a social model designed to be irreplaceable.

***

Mr Hollande claimed that many voters in Europe would greet his election with relief.

‘Europe is watching us, austerity can no longer be the only option,’ he said…

He says he ‘dislikes the rich’ and has singled out ‘the world of finance’ as his principal enemy. Douglas McWilliams, of the Centre for Economics and Business Research, said that this ‘could be the week that starts the euro break-up’.


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we use propane to heat
the water … (as well as cook … heat the house … dry clothes )

conservative tarheel on May 6, 2012 at 10:19 PM

…live in Michigan and have to use propane…oil furnace was very expensive…now propane is getting ecomomically nuts to heat with.
Got a heat pump that heats the house when it’s over 25 degrees and cools the house in the summer…saved thousands of dollars the last three years.

KOOLAID2 on May 6, 2012 at 11:22 PM

A Frog is a Frog… of course, of course.
No matter the name of the dude endorsed.

viking01 on May 6, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Wow..Allah started this QOTD early..:)

Dire Straits on May 6, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Hollande has vowed to launch his reform programme as soon as he takes office on 15 May, prioritising a rise in taxes for the wealthiest and curbing the state deficit…

Wow..That sounds familiar to another politician I know..Anyone want to guess..:)

Dire Straits on May 6, 2012 at 11:26 PM

La France est baisée.

Mason on May 6, 2012 at 11:38 PM

It could be an interesting day tomorrow concerning the stock market..:)

Dire Straits on May 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Doesn’t France get something like 75% of her electricty from nukes?

BallisticBob on May 6, 2012 at 8:08

That is absolutely right. When they close their nukes we can sell them our coal that Obama won’t let us use to generate power. But then if all their industry leaves to avoid nationalization, they won’t need much electricity.

KW64 on May 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

France watched Japan, France watched Ireland. They saw what austerity in the face of a crisis gets you and they vote against that. Smart folks.

libfreeordie on May 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM

May 6 formerly known as the anniversary of the crash and burning of the Zeppelin Hindenburg.

Henceforth to be known for the crash and burn of the Zeppelin Europa.

Oh, The humanity.

LegendHasIt on May 6, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Greetings, Erfwings!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM

I suppose this means we’re getting Depp back.

Great……

98ZJUSMC on May 7, 2012 at 12:05 AM

where do you buy your ammo?

I like cheaperthendirt.com or luckygunner.com

now I am going to bed …:D

conservative tarheel on May 6, 2012 at 11:15 PM

notcheaperthandirt lost my business when they took advantage of the ammunition shortage and really gouged prices. Back in 2009, I had a spanky new 380 and was getting ready to go on vacation to shoot it; only place that had 380 ammo was CTD, $40 for a box of 50 S&B FMJ rounds. I bit because I needed the ammo so I could test my carry gun before using it. Then, a week later I found Remington JHP locally. As time went on, every time I checked, CTD was way higher than Cabela’s, Bass Pro, or Sportsman’s Warehouse. Those folks get my business now.

Yes, I support free market and they were within their right to do that just as I am within my rights to not do business with them now.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 12:16 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Hello alt..:)

Dire Straits on May 7, 2012 at 12:22 AM

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 12:16 AM

The more I hang out around here, the more I get the sense that a lot of people are frustrated because they don’t have enough money to purchase massive weapons silos. Please do not tell me this is the source of your righteous conservative anger.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Dire Straits on May 7, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Spawn has finals this week. After that-all he has to do is graduate.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Am I the only one who just doesn’t quite understand all of this international money and finance stuff that this French election has created? Cliff’s notes please.

karenhasfreedom on May 7, 2012 at 12:25 AM

The more I hang out around here, the more I get the sense that a lot of people are frustrated because they don’t have enough money to purchase massive weapons silos. Please do not tell me this is the source of your righteous conservative anger.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 12:23 AM

It’s a gun and free market thing. You wouldn’t understand and I don’t have the time to try to teach you.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 12:31 AM

That is absolutely right. When they close their nukes we can sell them our coal that Obama won’t let us use to generate power. But then if all their industry leaves to avoid nationalization, they won’t need much electricity.

KW64 on May 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Wrong.

He also will not let us export.

The Muslims control all of America. They want as near a Monopoly on energy as possible. We are so screwed. Both parties controlled by the Muslims.

Steveangell on May 7, 2012 at 12:35 AM

It’s a gun and free market thing. You wouldn’t understand and I don’t have the time to try to teach you.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 12:31 AM

It needs to involve free contraceptives. That’s a concept they can get their minds around.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 12:38 AM

We are so screwed. Both parties controlled by the Muslims.

Steveangell on May 7, 2012 at 12:35 AM

OK seriously. We can all agree this dude is crazy right?

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 12:41 AM

France watched Japan, France watched Ireland. They saw what austerity in the face of a crisis gets you and they vote against that. Smart folks.

libfreeordie on May 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM

May slavery engulf and starve you, and yours, totally. May your destruction be soon and complete.

If you are a producer, quit. DO not feed the looters/moochers. They will destroy you and yours.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2012 at 12:43 AM

OK seriously. We can all agree this dude is crazy right?

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Well,..perhaps a little over the top. You should be familiar with that concept.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 12:48 AM

We are so screwed. Both parties controlled by the Muslims.

Steveangell on May 7, 2012 at 12:35 AM

OK seriously. We can all agree this dude is crazy right?

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 12:41 AM

?

KOOLAID2 on May 7, 2012 at 12:48 AM

My righteous conservative anger does indeed involve my lessened purchasing power of just about everything, including ammo. Does it bother libs that I might have a “silo”? Sooner or later, us bunker folks need to establish comm. Silo to silo.

You libs crack me up.

wolly4321 on May 7, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Thousands storm Bastille for left’s long-expected party
Jubilant supporters of François Hollande swarmed into the symbolic Place de la Bastille on Sunday night to celebrate the Socialist candidate’s victory at the polls. It was a party they had waited a long time to hold.

The iconic Bastille square in Paris played host to an almighty party on Sunday as supporters of François Hollande celebrated his triumph in France’s presidential election.

MORE AT THIS LINK

Isn’t it interesting that 223 years ago, they stormed the Bastille in the pursuit of freedom….

And today they storm it to embrace slavery?

LegendHasIt on May 7, 2012 at 12:50 AM

N o r m !

Towash on May 7, 2012 at 12:53 AM

May slavery engulf and starve you, and yours, totally. May your destruction be soon and complete.

If you are a producer, quit. DO not feed the looters/moochers. They will destroy you and yours.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Slavery? Like the system of labor that devalues other humans into chattel, forces them to work 70-80 hours a week, restricts their access to food, attempts to control how they reproduce, sells children into servitude and enacts violent reprisal against those who attempt to resist its oppressions. That kind of slavery? You are wishing that on me for my different political ideology or, even more preposterous, you believe that you will be subjected to that form of human bondage in the forseeable future…or ever? Because that is a massively bold claim and kind of even more insane than the guy who thinks Muslims control the country.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 12:55 AM

where do you buy your ammo?

I like cheaperthendirt.com or luckygunner.com

now I am going to bed …:D

conservative tarheel on May 6, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Sportsman’s Guide for the most part…but when I can move to a more suburban area i want to set up grandads single stage reloading station and carve out match/carry grade for “special occasions”?

Not to mention I have a feeling its a skill that will come in handy in the near future, like making car grade alcohol…well at least something people can run on for sure… :o)

BlaxPac on May 7, 2012 at 12:55 AM

And today they storm it to embrace slavery?

LegendHasIt on May 7, 2012 at 12:50 AM

Yep. Given the tax rates promised, wealth will be fleeing France. At some point, socialist states run out of that money and then start finding ways to keep people in so they can’t leave. Then the tyranny starts.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 12:55 AM

libfreeordie? really? I mean really?Sorry but I’m beginning to think you are indeed brain dead…

sandee on May 7, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Sportsman’s Guide for the most part……

BlaxPac on May 7, 2012 at 12:55 AM

What is your opinion on the quality you get from Sportsmans’ Guide? My impression from their catalogs is that they seem to be the Harbor Freight of the shooting sports, but that is just an impression. Would appreciate the opinion of someone who has done business with them.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Isn’t it interesting that 223 years ago, they stormed the Bastille in the pursuit of freedom….

And today they storm it to embrace slavery?

LegendHasIt on May 7, 2012 at 12:50 AM

How aptly said…and the idiots don’t even know about the latter.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2012 at 12:58 AM

The more I hang out around here, the more I get the sense that a lot of people are frustrated because they don’t have enough money to purchase massive weapons silos. Please do not tell me this is the source of your righteous conservative anger.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 12:23 AM

No, my anger is at the fact that I don’t have enough money left to buy massive weapons silo…

Better sharpen your Snarky Sword…the blade is dull from misuse…

BlaxPac on May 7, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Liberté, égalité, fraternité – they gave up the first one for the last two.

May they starve, and soon.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2012 at 1:01 AM

No, my anger is at the fact that I don’t have enough money left to buy massive weapons silo…

Better sharpen your Snarky Sword…the blade is dull from misuse…

BlaxPac on May 7, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Maybe its time to de-prioritize stockpiling guns and buy your kid some books or something.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:03 AM

I have zero inclination to re-inact Normandy. They are on their own this time. I imagine islamofascist hoards await opportunity. Man, what a mess..

wolly4321 on May 7, 2012 at 1:03 AM

If the election in France signals the demise of the European union, and thus an end to all of the foolish Keynesian bailouts, ponzy-economics and debt slavery, perhaps it’s for the best. It’s too bad Europe didn’t do things the responsible way and avoid all these obvious pitfalls, now they are paying the price by accelerating over the cliff and we’re not far behind.

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Spawn has finals this week. After that-all he has to do is graduate.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Good luck to your son..:)

Dire Straits on May 7, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Congratulations to Ron Paul for his victories in Maine and Nevada over the weekend! It is beginning to appear that a strong grass-roots campaign with a broad base of support may still be able to compete with a smaller number of wealthy corporate and special interest donors even in this day and age, which is just what our Republican forebears hoped to foster by including a caucus system.

Ron Paul 2012!

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:07 AM

FloatingRock on May 7, 2012 at 1:05 AM

No one deserves it more. Relatively free people always, always, always deserve their ‘leaders’.

May they self-destruct soon, and the U.S. too, if she follows the same path.

Printing money won’t solve anything. They forgot the 30s.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2012 at 1:08 AM

I suppose Hollande’s victory means eventually their bond interest rates will explode and more investment dollars will seek “safer” haven here, making it even more inviting for our administration to borrow more.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:09 AM

France watched Japan, France watched Ireland. They saw what austerity in the face of a crisis gets you and they vote against that. Smart folks.

libfreeordie on May 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Japan’s been printing money and deficit spending like crazy for over two decades, you blithering idiot. That’s why they haven’t been able to recover anything in all that time.

Nikkei Dec 1989: 39,500
Nikkei May 2012: 9,150

Man, you are one dumb clump of cells.

I understand that you think these countries should pretend that they have money to spend but every dollar deficit spent in pursuit of the French “lifestyle” will cost them 3 dollars when it comes time to pay it back.

Of course, you don’t care about the actual calculations because you libs follow retards who speak about “profit AND earnings ratios” and “reduce your health insurance premiums by 3000%!” and pretend that these 84 IQ fools have any clue what they’re doing.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Maybe its time to de-prioritize stockpiling guns and buy your kid some books or something.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:03 AM

You need a new script. The one you are reading from now isn’t working.

/funny, the libs always accuse conservatives of stereotyping, but here you have the typical liberal stereotyping those engaging in activities of which it does not approve. Liberals are the most judgmental people who categorize people and fit them into their own narrow stereotypes as libbrainless demonstrates in this posting. Always easier to demonize than accept I suppose.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 1:10 AM

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 1:10 AM

How is it stereotyping if you’re actually talking obsessively about guns in this very thread.

That’d be like me going on and on about Buffy the Vampire Slayer and when someone accused me of being a Whedon nerd I respond with “how dare you! A Whedon nerd?!? Don’t you stereotype me hypocrite!”

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:12 AM

What is your opinion on the quality you get from Sportsmans’ Guide? My impression from their catalogs is that they seem to be the Harbor Freight of the shooting sports, but that is just an impression. Would appreciate the opinion of someone who has done business with them.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Well usually I buy smaller bricks (50-100 count) and by then I try to stay with known manufactures like Federal or Winchester…it’s been a rare moon when I’ve brought foreign brands…

I can’t say I’ve had any real complaints; the prices are about right, and I’ve been shopping with SPG (most of their outdoors gear) from back as early as late 80′s…I remember they used to get a lot of good stuff for the Clearance section like bulk Ammo was potluck; if you wanted 1000 rds of FMJ you could get it for about $200 but it either was 10 yr old IMI stuff or 25 yo Czech (read: Soviet) “quality”.

I did see that you said you had bad experience with CTD, i’m surprised by that, i’ve heard good things about thier catalog too.

BlaxPac on May 7, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Isn’t it interesting that 223 years ago, they stormed the Bastille in the pursuit of freedom….

And today they storm it to embrace slavery?

LegendHasIt on May 7, 2012 at 12:50 AM

The French Rev. (you know the word – I assume it’s still on “the list”) was never about freedom. It was the start of the insane self-loathing Western left of today. You know they even tried to change the calendar (making ten-day weeks and other idiocies in their Rev. Calendar) just to mess with the church and Christians’ attachment to the seven-day week.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Maybe its time to de-prioritize stockpiling guns and buy your kid some books or something.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:03 AM

No kids sport…OTOH if i did have any I’d be sure as hell to make sure they’ll have plenty of both since one protects the other…

I’ll leave it to you to decide which one is which…because i’m willing to bet dollars to doughnuts you’ll pick wrong, and for the wrong reasons too.

BlaxPac on May 7, 2012 at 1:15 AM

All of our trolls share an OWS Rape-Free tent. After a long day of human microphones, blocking of intersections and businesses, yelling at people that work for a living, and urinating in public, it must be loads of fun for them to whip out their iPhones and post all the pearls of wisdom they learned from the filthy hippy in tent #3.

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 1:17 AM

How is it stereotyping if you’re actually talking obsessively about guns in this very thread.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Obsessive? Discussing best sources for ammo?

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:17 AM

What is “de-prioritize”? What if I buy them books about guns? What about if we use “rules for radicals” as target fodder? Does that count?

wolly4321 on May 7, 2012 at 1:18 AM

How is it stereotyping if you’re actually talking obsessively about guns in this very thread.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:12 AM

You really are obtuse, aren’t you?

Let’s see: One or two posts on firearms is “talking obsessively”. Yeah, not stereotyping there.

“You should use that money on books for your son” That has the usual lib stereotype of gun-owning conservatives as knuckle dragging neanderthals who only burn books or use them to prop up sagging furniture written all over it.

“Talking obsessively”? Really? Is that in your script somewhere under the decision tree that starts, “if you are called out on your nonsense, then …” path?

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 1:20 AM

I did see that you said you had bad experience with CTD, i’m surprised by that, i’ve heard good things about thier catalog too.
BlaxPac on May 7, 2012 at 1:12 AM

CTD gets about 1/4 of my business in that area of merchandising. I think the thing that turns most people off of them are their shipping charges… Which are reasonable… As long as you make sure that everything on a given order comes from the same warehouse. If you get stuff from mixed warehouses the shipping will ‘kill you’. Other than that, I like doing business with them.

LegendHasIt on May 7, 2012 at 1:21 AM

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 1:17 AM

I’ll bet our present one has a hot button, say,…reparations for slavery.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:22 AM

I did see that you said you had bad experience with CTD, i’m surprised by that, i’ve heard good things about thier catalog too.

BlaxPac on May 7, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Thanks for the response on Sportsman’s Guide; I’ll take another look when I get their next catalog.

Not so much bad experience with CTD, just found that their prices weren’t really that great. Take a look on Cabela’s website or Bass Pro’s web site; I’ve found their prices to be as good or better than CTD. The local Sportsman’s Warehouse gets most of my business these days.

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 1:25 AM

I’ll bet our present one has a hot button, say,…reparations for slavery.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Two can play that game:

Sarah Palin is a woman of great creativity, uniqueness, nerve and talent.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:25 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Not sure if you are practicing pedantry or merely miss the point that I was obviously trying to make.

LegendHasIt on May 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM

France watched Japan, France watched Ireland. They saw what austerity in the face of a crisis gets you and they vote against that. Smart folks.

libfreeordie on May 6, 2012 at 11:52 PM

You are mentally deranged.

Midas on May 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM

All this “obsessive discussion of firearms” reminds me I need to get out to the range more often. Was going to go this weekend, but our son’s high school play took precedence.

/dang! Shattered that stereotype for ol’ libbinwithoutbrains, didn’t I?

AZfederalist on May 7, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Not sure if you are practicing pedantry or merely miss the point that I was obviously trying to make.

LegendHasIt on May 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM

I just don’t think there’s anything different about what they did then at the Bastille and what they’re doing now. Not a big deal.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Which play was it? Music Man. At least 1/3 of all highschool plays are Music Man.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:31 AM

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:25 AM

So, without using stock liberal talking points/code words, how would YOU handle our current economic fiasco?

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Sarah Palin is a woman of great creativity, uniqueness, nerve and talent.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:25 AM

I’ve never met her, but will accept your evaluation.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 AM

So, without using stock liberal talking points/code words, how would YOU handle our current economic fiasco?

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 1:31 AM

See when you say “no liberal talking points” you are already setting up a way that you won’t have to engage my ideas in a substantive way. I’ve had, for example, dogsoldier respond to a really brilliant essay I wrote with “this is too good, it must have been stolen from somewhere.” So when you start on that premise, it suggests you’re not going to be intellectually honest. A tough thing to pull off for some at this hour.

But, I don’t have a quick fix for the economic fiasco. I think that what we need to do is stop expecting the economy to grow at the rate that it did during the 1990s and 2000s. We keep getting told that these boom cycles are unsustainable…when they inevitably crash in a massive bust. We’ve been failing to learn that lesson since Savings and Loan in the 80s. So I would love to see the culture on Wall Street change so that an increase in profit is an acceptable marker of success. That you don’t have to exponentially increase profit margins every year, that we could just stop framing “success” as only a massive massive massive increase in wealth every year.

When we start accpeting a growth from a 3% profit to a 6% profit (depending on the size of the firm obviously) as a good year, then perhaps employers can slow down on their exploitation of workers, squeezing every single hour out of them while cutting benefits, pensions etc. Perhaps they could even hire more? But when you are being squeezed by your board to produce greater profit and people are laid off you do that by…laying more people off. A different set of corporate values would go incredibly far in staving off this economic crisis.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:38 AM

I’ve never met her, but will accept your evaluation.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Fabulous. And in the meantime, don’t come for me. I’m not liberal4life, you won’t spin me around and acting like I’m fresh and brand new on internet boards. I mean telegraphing your attempt to “rile me up” like that and then going for the easiest attack. Slavery reparations. When was that at the center of black activist politics like 1993 at the latest? You can do better and I expect better from you in the future. Now go on out there and be the troll watchmen you can be!

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:40 AM

We owe fifteen trillion dollars, entitlements are responsible for most of that and your solution is for Wall Street to redefine what is an acceptable profit margin?

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM

… a really brilliant essay I wrote…

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:38 AM

I’ve read quite a bit of what you’ve written now. You obviously think very highly of yourself.

You really shouldn’t.

Midas on May 7, 2012 at 1:45 AM

We owe fifteen trillion dollars, entitlements are responsible for most of that and your solution is for Wall Street to redefine what is an acceptable profit margin?

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM

I’m sure that having them pay more taxes so the government can further increase entitlement spending is part of the brilliant equation as well.

Midas on May 7, 2012 at 1:46 AM

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:38 AM

So … you’re for stagnation. Be proud. Stagnation is the foundation of leftist theory, since dynamics and growth are what kills all leftist ideas. This is why leftists are always into zero population growth and against anything that would mess up their central committees, which can never adapt to changing conditions and circumstances of a growing, developing population.

You want to know about leftist theory and why it just won’t work in any advancing or growing society, go look at the history of Israeli kibbutzim.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2012 at 1:47 AM

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:38 AM

So, you’re laying it at the feet of Wall Street and corporations? Are you referring to large corporations, or any thriving business?

Also, when you set a ceiling on acceptable growth/growth rate I have a serious problem with that. Isn’t that like saying, “At some point, you’ve made enough money?”

If the current administration weren’t so hostile to private business (taxes, regulations, raids, etc.), the businesses would not need to lay off so many people, therefore expecting more of those still employed.

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 1:48 AM

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:38 AM

So … you’re for stagnation. Be proud. Stagnation is the foundation of leftist theory, since dynamics and growth are what kills all leftist ideas. This is why leftists are always into zero population growth and against anything that would mess up their central committees, which can never adapt to changing conditions and circumstances of a growing, developing population.

(I wrote something else that sent this into moderation. I have no idea what set off the PC monster.)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2012 at 1:48 AM

We owe fifteen trillion dollars, entitlements are responsible for most of that and your solution is for Wall Street to redefine what is an acceptable profit margin?

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:42 AM

OK so your average posts are like, two lines, and you’re upset because I only discussed one aspect of my perspective on how we can solve this economic fiasco? What is it with you people. You get annoyed when we “trolls” post too much and then you’re like “this is way shorter than the dissertation I expected, no degree for you!” Well fine demanding guy.

In order to solve the entitlement problem you expand medicare to everyone, everyone pays a higher tax, curved progressively of course, massive cuts to defense spending.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

I’ve read quite a bit of what you’ve written now. You obviously think very highly of yourself.

You really shouldn’t.

Midas on May 7, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Heh.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Midas on May 7, 2012 at 1:46 AM

They truly do operate on emotion and feelings, don’t they? Totally fricken’ disconnected from a balance sheet.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Also, when you set a ceiling on acceptable growth/growth rate I have a serious problem with that. Isn’t that like saying, “At some point, you’ve made enough money?”

No. Its asking for rationality and reasonability in profit projections. Ones that a labor force can actually achieve. If you are in the private sector and you are middle management you know exactly what I’m talking about.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:51 AM

AZ federalist
I just started shopping with Sportsmans guide this spring, and I think their great. I like that you can get big ticket items, EO tech, on 4 monthly payments. It really helps take the sting out of stuff like that…….

angrymike on May 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM

In order to solve the entitlement problem you expand medicare to everyone,….
ibfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM


BRILLIANT!

LegendHasIt on May 7, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Well, I’ve had enough of this. No wonder we elected an economic illiterate. G’night.

a capella on May 7, 2012 at 1:56 AM

What’s up my HA brethren? It looks to be an interesting QOTD.

Hi Mike, Dire, 4Grace, ALT, a capella :)

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 1:56 AM

In order to solve the entitlement problem you expand medicare to everyone, everyone pays a higher tax, curved progressively of course, massive cuts to defense spending.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Uh huh…

Wow.

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 1:57 AM

Dire, this seems to be fitting for this QOTD :)

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 1:58 AM

In order to solve the entitlement problem you expand medicare to everyone, everyone pays a higher tax, curved progressively of course, massive cuts to defense spending.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

I don’t even know where to start with this nonsense.

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Goodnight, a capella.

Howdy, uncommon! Jump in!

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Am I the only one who just doesn’t quite understand all of this international money and finance stuff that this French election has created? Cliff’s notes please.

karenhasfreedom on May 7, 2012 at 12:25 AM

The way I understand it is that basically, France & Germany together were setting the policy on the EURO for the EU, but in order for France to continue to have a such a big say in that policy, Sarkozy had to agree to Merkel’s demands for austerity measures in France (they signed a treaty about all of this, but I can’t remember what it was called). Hollande’s main selling point was that he rejected those austerity measures, and if he does go that route now that he’s elected, France isn’t going to be part of setting the policy on the EURO anymore, leaving Germany basically solely in charge. Additionally, in order for Hollande to not go the austerity route, Hollande plans on more stimulus, which means that France will not only have to start taxing the rich at > 75% (assuming they stay in France), it will have to borrow a lot more money (it has already borrowed so much under Sarkozy that France lost its triple-A rating). This would entail having to renegotiate a new treaty re: spending cuts with Germany. But Germany doesn’t have to do this — Germany could just walk away, shut down the whole EU/EURO thing & let France (and the rest of the members of the EU that are in trouble) fend for themselves. I don’t think anyone knows all the specific effects (besides no more EURO) this action by Germany would cause, but everyone pretty much agrees it will FUBAR everything pretty good.

For those praising Hollande’s election as “smart,” let me tell you something I saw this morning on the Greek channel (yes, I speak Greek). That crazy loon Aleka Papariga, head of the KKE (Communist Party) said that if KKE won the majority (it didn’t) they would “Take the money from the rich & give it to the poor” and, upon a follow up question of “But what then, when that money runs out?” replied “I don’t know. We’ll have to see.” My first thought was she sounds just like those stupid OWSers — no plans beyond getting the rich’s money. My second thought was: at least she is effing honest enough to identify herself as a Communist, unlike these other frauds. (I’m looking at you libfreeordie).

Dark Star on May 7, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Uncommon
what up bud…..?…….
I am about done, I’ll probably be back in a few hours though……..;)

angrymike on May 7, 2012 at 2:02 AM

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Sadly, that one seems to fit way too many QOTD’s lately.

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Dark Star on May 7, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Very go rundown, the only thing that I might add, is the fact that when the Euro was created, they new this day would come. In the grand plan, they had hoped that all of the member countries when faced with this crisis, would be willing to fork over their nationality for a single government control agency… well, we are seeing that national pride out weighs unity and giving up the status of ones country.

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 2:07 AM

I am about done, I’ll probably be back in a few hours though……..;)

angrymike on May 7, 2012 at 2:02 AM

I promise to be good tonight! :)

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 2:07 AM

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Nice tune..very nice..:)

Dire Straits on May 7, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Nice tune..very nice..:)

Dire Straits on May 7, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Of course that needs to be followed by this!

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 2:09 AM

I have yet to figure out how ANY Euro-denominated debt can be AAA rated (or anything even close) when the continued existence of the Euro is very much in doubt and none of these bonds have any mechanism built into them for the contingency (and not a long shot, either) that the Euro disappears and the bonds become worthless on their face. Even with the best of intentions (which I don’t ascribe to any of the Euro-based nations) it will be close to total chaos to decide what gets converted into what at what rate … and looking at how the Greek defaults weren’t “defaults” (a 60% haircut being “voluntary”, LOL) it is beyond any sense that anyone would trust what would happen in that eventuality.

It really boggles my mind.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2012 at 2:12 AM

I’m sure that having them pay more taxes so the government can further increase entitlement spending is part of the brilliant equation as well.

Midas on May 7, 2012 at 1:46 AM

In order to solve the entitlement problem you expand medicare to everyone, everyone pays a higher tax, curved progressively of course, massive cuts to defense spending.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Called it by three minutes.

Not difficult, of course. These nincompoops are nothing if not reliable to be utterly and consistently delusional.

As a leftist, you ‘solve the entitlement problem’ by… spending more on entitlements, of course! Holy cow, bathe in the brilliance! Apparently ‘the problem’ is that we’re not spending ENOUGH!

Midas on May 7, 2012 at 2:15 AM

It really boggles my mind.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 7, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Doesn’t it, they just think that someone will ride in on a white horse and go, “Sure, let my lose my investment just so you can keep you lifestyle for another year.” LOL!

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 2:16 AM

Slavery? Like the system of labor that devalues other humans into chattel, forces them to work 70-80 hours a week, restricts their access to food, attempts to control how they reproduce, sells children into servitude and enacts violent reprisal against those who attempt to resist its oppressions. That kind of slavery?

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Why are you asking the commenters on a conservative/republican blog whether they support the ideology and policies of Maoist China?

Did you take a wrong turn at Albuquerque there, Bugs?

Alberta_Patriot on May 7, 2012 at 2:17 AM

In order to solve the entitlement problem you expand medicare to everyone, everyone pays a higher tax, curved progressively of course, massive cuts to defense spending.

libfreeordie on May 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Swell. More Obama math. Spending more money we don’t have can be paid for by cutting programs that cost less. I really wish voters had to have an IQ of 70 or higher and pass a basic math test to vote.

If American voters are as dumb as libfree or French voters we are totally fu**ed in November.

talkingpoints on May 7, 2012 at 2:21 AM

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 2:09 AM

You are on a roll!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 7, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Of course that needs to be followed by this!

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 2:09 AM

Ah, but don’t you know they hate those with money?

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Sadly, that one seems to fit way too many QOTD’s lately.

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 2:04 AM

… and it is only just starting. If I was to lay odds, we are about to see an economic tank again. If Germany abandons the Euro, you’ll only have France and the debtor nations left, this would be bad.

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Did you take a wrong turn at Albuquerque there, Bugs?

Alberta_Patriot on May 7, 2012 at 2:17 AM

+ 1..That was good..:)

Dire Straits on May 7, 2012 at 2:23 AM

4Grace on May 7, 2012 at 2:23 AM

+ 100..Nice..:)

Dire Straits on May 7, 2012 at 2:24 AM

You are on a roll!!..:)

Dire Straits on May 7, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Here is one for Libfreeordumb.

uncommon sense on May 7, 2012 at 2:25 AM

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