Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on May 6, 2012 by Allahpundit

Nicolas Sarkozy’s defeat in the French presidential election makes him the ninth European leader to be booted out since the region’s debt crisis began…

Sarkozy joins a long list of victims of the crisis, which began with subprime mortgages in the U.S. before causing government yields to diverge across Europe. Leaders in Ireland, Portugal, Greece, Italy, Spain, Slovenia, Slovakia and the Netherlands were elbowed out from their posts…

Sarkozy campaigned in 2007 promising to create jobs and boost purchasing power. The fallout from the financial crisis hit France through 2008, driving the unemployment rate from a 30-year low of 7.5 percent in early 2008 to almost 10 percent at the end of 2011.

***

Hollande inherits an economy that’s a driver of the European Union but is deep in debt. He wants more government stimulus, and more government spending in general, despite concerns in the markets that France needs to urgently trim its huge debt…

Hollande intends to modify one of Sarkozy’s key reforms, over the retirement age, to allow some people to retire at 60 instead of 62. He also plans to increase spending in a range of sectors and wants to ease France off its dependence on nuclear energy. He favors legalizing euthanasia and gay marriage…

“We’re going to call France the new Greece,” said Laetitia Barone, 19. “Hollande is now very dangerous.”

***

Wealthy French people are looking to London as a refuge from fresh taxes on high earners pledged by candidates in the country’s presidential elections.

The “soak the rich” rhetoric that has punctuated the presidential campaign has prompted a sharp rise in the numbers weighing a move across the Channel, according to London-based wealth managers, lawyers and property agents specialising in French clients…

Mr Blanc says some French clients were even contemplating acquiring British or other nationality in order to safeguard assets from fears that France could move to collect more tax from citizens overseas. “A lot of people are extremely worried,” he said.

***

Hollande’s election could have a major impact on the future course of the European Union. Hollande has said he would seek to renegotiate the painstakingly agreed fiscal pact in order to include a component to ensure growth — a demand that has ruffled feathers in Berlin. According to a report in the French daily Le Figaro, Hollande plans to hold a telephone conversation with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Sunday night…

Hollande’s political platforms were radical compared to Sarkozy’s, but they also helped him to score points with voters. One proposal is to tax any earnings over €1 million at a rate of 75 percent… Hollande also said he would withdraw all French soldiers from Afghanistan by the end of the year if elected.

***

The crowd, many too young to remember Mitterrand’s triumph, spilled onto the steps of the Bastille Opera House – a modernist legacy of the Mitterrand era – clutching flags emblazoned with the Socialist logo of a clenched fist around a rose.

Some activists brandishing Communist Party flags and pink and purple balloons clambered up the base of a column erected on the site of the Bastille prison stormed during the 1789 French revolution…

In a flashback to the days after Mitterrand’s victory, when older conservatives feared France would turn Communist and lined up to withdraw their savings from banks, [a Hollande supporter] added: “I only hope the markets don’t attack us tomorrow.”

***

But Hollande’s ideas could be put to a concrete test very quickly — like, on Monday — by the financial markets that Hollande described during the campaign as “the enemy.” The elections in Greece, which also took place today, may make the markets even more jittery and speculators more aggressive. And France is going to have to borrow about €180 billion ($240 billion) before the end of the year. Under Sarkozy it already lost its AAA credit rating. If borrowing rates start to climb dramatically the hope of clawing out of the slump will fade very quickly.

So Hollande’s first move is to try to find a way to come to terms with Merkel, or persuade her to come to terms with him.

***

“Markets will not attack France right away,” said Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, a research fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “But there is a risk that if Mr. Hollande does not act early on, France will become the next sick man of Europe.”…

But many economists are skeptical that France will be able to move toward greater openness, especially in its rigid labor markets. High social charges that companies pay to help finance France’s generous welfare system, combined with lengthy hiring and firing processes, deter employers from adding significant numbers of new jobs…

What is more, while French labor unions have shrunk in membership over the years, they still wield outsize influence that employers say can paralyze companies that need to shed jobs or cut other expenses to adapt to worsening economic conditions.

***

Despite fears that he will pursue a “dangerous” economic policy featuring a return to Keynesian tax-and-spend practices, Hollande and his campaign team have told the Germans that this has been ruled out. “We can’t do Keynesianism twice in 10 years,” Michel Sapin, the former finance minister who wrote Hollande’s economic programme, told senior German diplomats, according to a confidential note obtained by the Guardian.

“Hollande is aware that right at the start of his term in office, he will have to spell out hard truths to the French,” says the eight-page memo from the German embassy in Paris to Angela Merkel’s office in Berlin. Hollande has vowed to launch his reform programme as soon as he takes office on 15 May, prioritising a rise in taxes for the wealthiest and curbing the state deficit…

“It is absolutely essential to generate growth but this can only be accomplished by supply-side measures and is no longer possible through state spending programmes,” the Hollande team told the German diplomats.

***

The United States needs France. Yes, that sounds like a joke, but France is the only country capable of leading Europe politically. However close a relationship with Germany that the United States requires, once beyond the realm of economic survival, the point of diminishing returns is quickly reached. Simply put, the United States cannot do anything of political consequence solely through a partnership with Germany. But with a real, live European-style socialist in Paris, U.S. President Barack Obama will face a Hobson’s choice: work closely with Hollande and incur the wrath of Republicans, or distance himself from Hollande and squander yet another opportunity to ensure that Europe’s future is as fully as possible in the hands of its greatest power…

The bigger picture, however, is that American life is made substantially more difficult by Hollande’s inevitable and foreshadowed refusal to lead Europe and make Europe a leading force in the world. The political inspiration that only France can provide Europe will have to be played once again by a United States that is historically tired of playing that role. A U.S. Treasury spokesperson has already declared that the United States has no intention of supplying more money to the IMF to substitute for an adequate eurozone firewall. America’s traditional desire not to squander its energies on managing European problems is poised to return with full force, and not just within a single major political party. A weak France led by a colorless holdover from a defunct past is not just bad news for France, no matter how frustrated voters have become with Sarkozy. It’s awful news for the United States and for any U.S. president obliged to figure out how to help Europe out of its current morass by doing anything other than writing checks.

***

By an irony of history, the electors have chosen a second Socialist president at the moment when the acceleration of the deconstruction of the welfare state is the only option.

While the agenda of the new term has not really been the subject of discussion, it involves a profound reform of the French social model.

Since the emergence of an absolute monarchy in the 16th century, France has been dominated by the idea of an omnipotent state. In France social crises take place when the state can no longer function because people does not know how operate in its absence.

The Left is taking on a momentous burden as it dismantles a social model designed to be irreplaceable.

***

Mr Hollande claimed that many voters in Europe would greet his election with relief.

‘Europe is watching us, austerity can no longer be the only option,’ he said…

He says he ‘dislikes the rich’ and has singled out ‘the world of finance’ as his principal enemy. Douglas McWilliams, of the Centre for Economics and Business Research, said that this ‘could be the week that starts the euro break-up’.


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Two losers.

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Flexible.

Electrongod on May 6, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Buyers remorse in 5…4…3

cmsinaz on May 6, 2012 at 8:04 PM

That photo…Obama and Sarkozi…further proof that anything Obama touches turns to doo doo.

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:05 PM

The United States needs France. Yes, that sounds like a joke, but France is the only country capable of leading Europe politically.

History tells a different story…..

Electrongod on May 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Looks like France wants to revisit the 1930′s. I would guess the European Union experiment is just about to be declared over… by Germany!

BobScuba on May 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM

When Germany says no to more money…well, the EU party is over.

albill on May 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Not one dime to the EU

Cant afford it
And dear leader will give them anything they need if he gets reelected

cmsinaz on May 6, 2012 at 8:07 PM

He also plans to increase spending in a range of sectors and wants to ease France off its dependence on nuclear energy

Doesn’t France get something like 75% of her electricty from nukes?

BallisticBob on May 6, 2012 at 8:08 PM

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I call it the ‘reverse-Midas’ touch.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 6, 2012 at 8:08 PM

+1 Coldwarrior

cmsinaz on May 6, 2012 at 8:08 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 6, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Why the Brits took offense when the Obama’s came calling at Buckingham Palace.

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Gawd. Imagine Paul Krugman as president. Gives me the shakes just thinking about it.

They’re screwed.

SteveMG on May 6, 2012 at 8:11 PM

It’s called “cooties.”

Now Sarkozy has ‘em.

Never thought I’d say this:

THE PRESIDENT HAS COOTIES!

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Same thing will happen here too if the American people allow these Tea Party Extremists to have their way. We need common sense policies instead of the Tea Party policies that takes from the middle class and gives to the rich.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Hey, at least France’s new President is honest about being a socialist…

pookysgirl on May 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Same thing will happen here too if the American people allow these Tea Party Extremists to have their way. We need common sense policies instead of the Tea Party policies that takes from the middle class and gives to the rich.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Are you for real?

Did you ever study economics?

Your hero is BANKRUPTING AMERICA!

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Same thing will happen here too if the American people allow these Tea Party Extremists to have their way. We need common sense policies instead of the Tea Party policies that takes from the middle class and gives to the rich.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Been to France?

Electrongod on May 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Sarkozy ran ads with BHO’s picture in them…

d1carter on May 6, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Innumeracy I blame the schools cuz maff is hard

Daveyardbird on May 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Two losers.
cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Sketch & Silver Spoon Ann?

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM

We need common sense policies instead of the Tea Party policies that takes from the middle class and gives to the rich

That doesn’t make a lick of sense but you’re welcome to hold.

What exactly do the rich get from the middle class?

SteveMG on May 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Sarkozy ran ads with BHO’s picture in them…

d1carter on May 6, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Then Sarkozy’s an idiot, because 0bama has cooties. Wasn’t it Sarkozy that 0bama was kvetching to about Netanyahu?

Lie down with dogs, wake up with one missing, Nicolas.

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:18 PM

In France, there are a lot of people in France on the right involved in politics that are kind of happy that this has happened. They know that within 6 months, Hollande is going to have to break many of his campaign promises BECAUSE THERE IS NO MONEY AND THE EU WILL NOT RENEGOTIATE THE DEALS IT MADE WITH SARKOZY. Hollande, the Socialist, will have to make the cuts and the Left will come out in fierce protest against him.

Just remember, it was NOT Sarkozy and his party that gave rise to the Invisible Committee and their bestseller, The Coming Insurrection. It was the Socialists that provided the impetus for the Far Left. It is why Melancon was doing so well for a while. The Far Left, including the unions, are fed up waiting for the Socialists to deliver the utopia that they have been promising for like…ever.

So, according to their logic, let a Socialist ruin France or make the deep cuts that will have to be made in order to please the bond traders. Either way, Hollande is screwed.

Voting for Yesterday in France

Music by Edith Piaf

Après Sarkozy, Le Déluge. Viva M Hollande – L’homme, Qui Va Détruire La France!

Music by Blue Oyster Cult.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2012 at 8:18 PM

So…it is blame the Tea Party extremists time?

So, smaller government, less taxation, curtailment of quasi-Constitutional federal programs, ending un-Constitutional federal programs, and putting limits on federal government spending will ruin the economy?

And Obama running up over $16 trillion in obligations, and a like amount of borrowed money from the Chinese, is going to get the economy going like gangbusters?

Insanity.

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:19 PM

“Sarkozy joins a long list of victims of the crisis, which began with subprime mortgages in the U.S. before causing government yields to diverge across Europe…”

Yet, our “press” never held the politicians or the political party responsible for this crisis ever accountable…


“At President Clinton’s direction, no fewer than 10 federal agencies issued a chilling ultimatum to banks and mortgage lenders to ease credit for lower-income minorities or face investigations for lending discrimination and suffer the related adverse publicity. They also were threatened with denial of access to the all-important secondary mortgage market and stiff fines, along with other penalties.”

… and when the results of the failed social engineering policies of the Democrats began to see the day of light?


Take a good look through this video in 2004, and ask yourself who on this panel wanted more regulatory oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and which members spent their time attacking the regulators.

Why is it that the whole world had to pay the price of the Democrats’ failed policies…

… yet they never do?

Seven Percent Solution on May 6, 2012 at 8:20 PM

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Beg to differ. Politicians on both side of the aisle that shower funds to defense contractors in VA and provide endless tax credits to big oil &biz are the ones bankrupting this country.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Either way, Hollande is screwed.

Unfortunately that means the far right – Le Pen – and the far left – the Communists – lie in wait.

The vital center disappears.

That’s not good.

SteveMG on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

France just committed economic suicide.

WannabeAnglican on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Same thing will happen here too if the American people allow these Tea Party Extremists to have their way. We need common sense policies instead of the Tea Party policies that takes from the middle class and gives to the rich.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

$5 trillion in new debt by your guy–no extremism there–move along, nothing to see here now…

hillsoftx on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Angela Merkel is, by far, the most powerful leader in the free world now. How long before Barack declares war on her for not helping France?

SouthernGent on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Seven Percent Solution on May 6, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Because the Dems “meant well?”

And those GOPers…they’re evil…Haliburton, Cheney, Boooosh….and Obama is awesome.

Get it together, man. //

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM

SouthernGent on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

There is deep irony in them words, friend. :-)

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Sketch & Silver Spoon Ann?

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM

One of the many differences between conservatives and left-holes is that conservative to begrudge those who have done well.
The Obama’s ain’t poor either-but unlike Zero and Co-the Romney’s actually had to haul azz to get some of their fortune.
Zero and Co got rich because of political largess and Affirmative Action.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 6, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Beg to differ. Politicians on both side of the aisle that shower funds to defense contractors in VA and provide endless tax credits to big oil &biz are the ones bankrupting this country.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Ehhh… that’s where the $1T stimulus went?

AND, the same $1T budget expansion per year written into every continuing resolution for the budget the Senate Democrats have failed to pass for OVER THREE YEARS, for the first time since the founding of the nation?

0bama’s running the deficit from $9-trillion to $16-trillion in 3.5 years has done nothing,

but….. HALLIBURTON….. EXXON…..

Try again…. you failed.

That was pathetic.

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:25 PM

France is less a country than a collection of failed states. Look at their history since the French Revolution. But they and other Europeans want us to be more like them.

The reason why the Champs Elysee us tree lined is their conquerors like to march in the shade.

Are the Muslim extremists next? My bet is yes.

simkeith on May 6, 2012 at 8:26 PM

The vital center disappears.

That’s not good.

SteveMG on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

“Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity…”
— W.B. Yeats

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:26 PM

US government tax subsidies to oil corporations are $4 billion a year (source: oil tax breaks).

That four as in 4. We have a $1 trillion plus deficit. Four billion is like spitting into a backyard pool. Nothing.

SteveMG on May 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Same thing will happen here too if the American people allow these Tea Party Extremists to have their way. We need common sense policies instead of the Tea Party policies that takes from the middle class and gives to the rich.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

I don’t think so. The Middle Class went for McCain by 20 points. The Middle Class went out in record numbers to spank Obama and the Party of Julia in 2010.

The Middle Class in France, if you want to say that they have one, went for Sarkozy. The Neo-French, immigrants, mainly, Muslims, Socialists, Communists, union workers, etc., voted for Hollande.

Furthermore, this election, as was the one in Greece where a new Conservative Party — and the horrible Golden Dawn Party (Neo-Nazis) — won, is as much an expression of outrage at Merkozy and Brussels at is about internal affairs of each particular nation.

As was the case in the Great Depression, whichever party was in power in 2008 when world financial boat struck the iceberg, the national elections have seen that party replaced. It has happened in Britain, Spain, Ireland, France, Germany (Merkel’s Party has been losing local and regional elections), etc. It is like musical chairs. If the music stopped and you were in power, you got kicked out in the next national election.

Furthermore, in the EU, there is little democracy, which has infuriated a people, who — believe it or not (and many in Brussels simply don’t) — actually like being French or German or Italian or Danish, etc., and do not want to be a citizen of the United States of Europe where 27 unelected apparatchiks control their fate…through bailouts, austerity budgets, taxes, etc.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Angela Merkel is, by far, the most powerful leader in the free world now. How long before Barack declares war on her for not helping France?

SouthernGent on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Germany will help France… at a price.

Punchenko on May 6, 2012 at 8:29 PM

$5 trillion in new debt by your guy–no extremism there–move along, nothing to see here now…
hillsoftx on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Where were you when your hero Dick and naive George were borrowing from China to nation build Iraq? Didn’t hear a peep from the Tea Party then.
Didn’t even hear a peep of criticism when Sketch said he vows to continue robbing the middle class in order to find more funds for his defense contractor buddies. You all kept quiet then. So don’t school us about thr debt Obama has accumulated under his reign as president.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Thanks, France. Thanks for this. Thanks a lot.

SukieTawdry on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Beg to differ. Politicians on both side of the aisle that shower funds to defense contractors in VA and provide endless tax credits to big oil &biz are the ones bankrupting this country.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

And another thing…

Are you aware that the entire Iraq and Afghanistan wars have cost $1.5-trillion, and yet your boy has increased the deficit FIVEFOLD that amount since Jan. 2009?

And you blame that on someone other than 0bama?

If he had a fiscally conservative bone in his body, he could have vetoed any spending resolution he liked, to try to prevent the impending bankruptcy which he has greatly hastened.

Do you not understand that? That’s basic U.S. government and economics!

Why are you here? What are your motivations? If they are sincere, then start reading and and learning stop talking such complete BS.

Barack 0bama is bankrupting America. ARed you OK with that? Are you defending him? Are you deflecting the blame elsewhere?

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

This is the end of the European Union. Germany is already pi$$ed off at having to support Greece. No way are the Germans going to put up with doing it TWICE.

They are all going down. If we are smart (dubious proposition), we will not do any more money printing. We could stumble backwards into coming out on top regardless of what Jugears does. Of course, dumping him in November would go a long way to having the EU members pay serious attention to what the US wants.

platypus on May 6, 2012 at 8:31 PM

And another thing…

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Play with the lefty nutball later.

The real question is how did the repair job go?

cozmo on May 6, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Same thing will happen here too if the American people allow these Tea Party Extremists to have their way. We need common sense policies instead of the Tea Party policies that takes from the middle class and gives to the rich.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Erm…

Ugly on May 6, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Beg to differ. Politicians on both side of the aisle that shower funds to defense contractors in VA and provide endless tax credits to big oil &biz are the ones bankrupting this country.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

*sigh*

A partial list of products made from Petroleum (144 of 6000 items)

Seven Percent Solution on May 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Are you OK with that? Are you defending him? Are you deflecting the blame elsewhere?

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Wait! Pick me! I know this one!!

Yes.

Yes.

And, Yes.

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Chavez is next to go then bo.

tim c on May 6, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Where were you when your hero Dick and naive George were borrowing from China to nation build Iraq? Didn’t hear a peep from the Tea Party then.
Didn’t even hear a peep of criticism when Sketch said he vows to continue robbing the middle class in order to find more funds for his defense contractor buddies. You all kept quiet then. So don’t school us about thr debt Obama has accumulated under his reign as president.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

The money borrowed for Iraq was after the biggest attack on American soil since 1941, and the closest to the Capital since 1814. Bush took strong actions to react to that attack.

0bama is just running up the credit card until it melts.

Don’t try to sell your “moral” equivalence here. You are either reprehensibly, intellectually dishonest, or just very dumb, in which case you should quit commenting here because you are in way over your depth.

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:34 PM

US government tax subsidies to oil corporations are $4 billion a year (source: oil tax breaks).

That four as in 4. We have a $1 trillion plus deficit. Four billion is like spitting into a backyard pool. Nothing.

SteveMG on May 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Please don’t tell me that you fell for that gag and actually believe that Big Oil is subsidised!!!

Surprise! They haven’t been getting allowances “percentage depletion” and “intangible drilling costs” tax incentives since they were repealed 36 yrs ago – since they were repealed for Big Oil in 1975.

TITLE I SEC. 104. LIMITATION ON PERCENTAGE DEPLETION ALLOWANCE FOR OIL AND GAS WELLS.

(a) In General- Section 613A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:

`(f) Application With Respect to Major Integrated Oil Companies- In the case of any taxable year in which the taxpayer is a MAJOR INTEGRATED OIL COMPANY (as defined in section 167(h)(5)(B)), the allowance for percentage depletion SHALL BE ZERO.’.

Also, they do not get tax credits. The oil and gas industry gets the same deductions as do other industries.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54815.html

Don’t take my word for it. Call former Democratic Congressman and avid supporter of Obama, Martin Frost. If you want a second opinion, then by all means contact Congressman Boren, a Democrat, either through the Capitol switchboard or his website.

http://www.boren.house.gov/

Please don’t tell me that you fell for the old knee-slapper about the US only having 2% of the world’s oil supplies, too, because that is wrong, as well.

Obama plays you guys like a Stradivarius.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2012 at 8:34 PM

The french and the socialists get what they deserve. The french people get what they deserve. Who cares what happens to france. Having traveled there over the years, the french hate everybody, but most of all the french. Let them live in their hatred. Neither I, nor any of my descendents, will ever shed one drop of blood for that group of haters.

Old Country Boy on May 6, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Wait! Pick me! I know this one!!

Yes.

Yes.

And, Yes.

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Yes, you with your hand up in back.

What do you think about the ideas Uppereastside is trying to sell here?

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

What do you think about the ideas Uppereastside is trying to sell here?

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Well, as Thumper said…

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Yes, you with your hand up in back.

What do you think about the ideas Uppereastside is trying to sell here?

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

This will have to wait…
Teleprompters are entering the classroom…..

Electrongod on May 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Future names of former French cities:

Paristanbul…

Marseillestan…

Bordeaux-a-bad….

And the pace of the fall of Europe to Muslims will quicken

lm10001 on May 6, 2012 at 8:39 PM

good news for our lefty trolls…the CAC futures (paris) are down almost 2 percent..Eat the Rich!

dji future have recovered some…only down 110.

like Mikey Moore says…we’ve got lots of money to spend.

r keller on May 6, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Please don’t tell me that you fell for that gag and actually believe that Big Oil is subsidised!!!

I forgot to use inverted commas with the “subsidies”. I wanted to use his wording to undermine his argument.

The “Big Oil” is causing the deficit line is a “Big Lie.” But history shows that people fall for such nonsense.

Unfortunately.

SteveMG on May 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Beg to differ. Politicians on both side of the aisle that shower funds to defense contractors in VA and provide endless tax credits to big oil &biz are the ones bankrupting this country.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

ROFLMAO

That is all.

HumpBot Salvation on May 6, 2012 at 8:42 PM

What exactly do the rich get from the middle class?

SteveMG on May 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Employees. That they pay and then pay taxes. Can’t have that anymore in obambi’s Amerika. But don’t call him a socialist or a marxist or a commu………..

VegasRick on May 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM

So don’t school us about thr debt Obama has accumulated under his reign as president.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Your guy burned through more money in his three short years in office and has nothing to show for it. Well, he does have something to show: 8.1% unemployment, skyrocketing costs of living, a demoralized nation, and a vindication of the right since it was we who said he was out of his depth to begin with. Oh, let us also not forget about all the young people’s lives he ruined by driving the economy further into the ground with his and Speaker Pelosi’s (*shudders*) reckless incompetence.

The country will be in better hands once the GOP runs the board on the criminal Democrats come November. We’re taking this country back and there is nothing you can do about it. :-)

Punchenko on May 6, 2012 at 8:45 PM

SteveMG on May 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM

OK. They do fall for some whoppers. Glad that you aren’t one of them. :-)

Resist We Much on May 6, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Where were you when your hero Dick and naive George were borrowing from China to nation build Iraq? Didn’t hear a peep from the Tea Party then.
Didn’t even hear a peep of criticism when Sketch said he vows to continue robbing the middle class in order to find more funds for his defense contractor buddies. You all kept quiet then. So don’t school us about thr debt Obama has accumulated under his reign as president.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

That is the lamest and most stupid retort, yet we hear it over and over and over again. Lemm ‘splain simpleton, we didn’t complain about it because it wasn’t a problem, yet..
Now fast forward to 2008 when all the frickin world became aware of the bubble and how destructive the debt was, from that day forward the sane people realized the debt was an enormous problem.

Please learn basic econ 101 while you’re in school (you can’t be an adult)…and use this analogy if it helps “when your house is on fire, don’t pour gas on it, pour water on it. Your boy Oblama is pouring gas on our fire, plain and simple.

Tim Zank on May 6, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Q. Why are there so many trees in Paris?

A. Because the Germans prefer to march in the shade.

Akzed on May 6, 2012 at 8:49 PM

France goes from financial crisis to near collapse or worse by about July taking the Eurozone with it except perhaps Germany which as we post Merkel is probably considering contingency plans that include leaving the hive.

Stand by for the default cascade.

Stand by for hit here, a big hit.

Speakup on May 6, 2012 at 8:50 PM

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Perhaps Obama is only following your idol Cheneys advice that deficits don’t matter. Didnt see you getting your panties wet over that now did I? Once again you and your fake Obama is bankrupting Amerca outrage can stuff it.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Perhaps Obama is only following your idol Cheneys advice that deficits don’t matter. Didnt see you getting your panties wet over that now did I? Once again you and your fake Obama is bankrupting Amerca outrage can stuff it.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Let me put it in terms that even you could understand.

You’re a phucking idiot.

HumpBot Salvation on May 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Once again you and your fake Obama is bankrupting Amerca outrage can stuff it.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Bro, you and I don’t agree on anything but you’re smarter than this.

VegasRick on May 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Sarkozy joins a long list of victims of the crisis, which began with subprime mortgages in the U.S. before causing government yields to diverge across Europe.

they really think it began with subprime mortgages…

equanimous on May 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

So don’t school us about thr debt Obama has accumulated under his reign as president.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Your guy burned through more money in his three short years in office and has nothing to show for it. Well, he does have something to show: 8.1% unemployment, skyrocketing costs of living, a demoralized nation, and a vindication of the right since it was we who said he was out of his depth to begin with. Oh, let us also not forget about all the young people’s lives he ruined by driving the economy further into the ground with his and Speaker Pelosi’s (*shudders*) reckless incompetence.

The country will be in better hands once the GOP runs the board on the criminal Democrats come November. We’re taking this country back and there is nothing you can do about it. :-)

Punchenko on May 6, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Yea we are so scared.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Perhaps Obama is only following your idol Cheneys advice that deficits don’t matter. Didnt see you getting your panties wet over that now did I? Once again you and your fake Obama is bankrupting Amerca outrage can stuff it.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Uppereastside to the white courtesy phone.

RickB on May 6, 2012 at 8:58 PM

On the bright side, the French Socialists will go back to ‘business as usual’ and we can all watch them go quickly down the drain.

A preview of what 4 more years of Obamanomics will do.

GarandFan on May 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Uppereastside must be French.

Electrongod on May 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

What do you think about the ideas Uppereastside is trying to sell here?

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

…if…

Upyerassideways had to sell insurance, furniture or cars like he tries to sell his ka ka here…he’d have to beg for food.

KOOLAID2 on May 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

In this thread it is uppereastside. How come every few theads we have a new, obviously paid, DNC troll trying to disrupt the thread. Hey, Hot Air management. Why don’t you do some sort of a serch of your newbys in the open enrollment and get rid of all these moronic thugs? You get sucked in every time. You can’t discuss anything with these trolls. All they do is ignore any known, recognized facts, and regurgitate the democrapt, union, ows, and marxist talking lies. They state lie, as if they were true. This is wearysome wasting our time with this vermin.

Old Country Boy on May 6, 2012 at 9:01 PM

France, and Greece too?

Glenn Beck: Rumors of War

Here it comes.

petefrt on May 6, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Perhaps Obama is only following your idol Cheneys advice that deficits don’t matter. Didnt see you getting your panties wet over that now did I? Once again you and your fake Obama is bankrupting Amerca outrage can stuff it.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM

So you agree with Cheney. Now that we have that established….

CW on May 6, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Since they are continually changing their handle, it must be with the blessing of Hot Air management. Oh! I get it. You are trying to drum up business. How naieve of me.

Old Country Boy on May 6, 2012 at 9:02 PM

So don’t school us about thr debt Obama has accumulated under his reign as president.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

So because you choose to use a straw man(yet again) Obama can continue to bury us. Got it. GFY dumbass.

CW on May 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Get it together, man. //

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I know… I know…

… But unless the actual cause of all of this, the proven failure everytime it is tried, the Marxist/Socialist ideology and the Left are exposed as the cause of all of this, nothing will ever get solved.

The answer will always be “… borrow and throw more money at it, because we are the smartest people in the room.”

… A lot of people across Europe and this Country were sold a lie, and now it is time to pay the tab.

Seven Percent Solution on May 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Same thing will happen here too if the American people allow these Tea Party Extremists to have their way. We need common sense policies instead of the Tea Party policies that takes from the middle class and gives to the rich.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Ignorant, liberal, and stupid is no way to go through life son.

AZfederalist on May 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Bro, you and I don’t agree on anything but you’re smarter than this.

VegasRick on May 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

…ah…no he’s not! PLUS..

Yea we are so scared.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:56 PM

…he’s got some kind of turd in his pocket!

KOOLAID2 on May 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

In this thread it is uppereastside.

Old Country Boy on May 6, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Heh this Upper fellow is a notch above Lib4 . That is not saying much….both dumber than a busload of Democratic union operatives.

CW on May 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Mon dieu! France’s answer to a crap economy is…a liberal(er) liberal???

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Play with the lefty nutball later.

The real question is how did the repair job go?

cozmo on May 6, 2012 at 8:32 PM

OT:

As I managed to sorta hijack the California thread a couple days ago, I thought I’d at least tell you how it came out. (Though, I still don’t think that discussing how to fix a toilet was very far off topic, given that it was on a thread on what’s wrong with California!) ;-)

Ergg,, harrumph,
well we all have to learn things.

Re: the toiler repair we were discussing on the “how to repair California” thread the other day:

Pain-in-the-butt learning experience. But that’s how it often is when you learn.

Decided to leave the chip in the toilet drain alone. Bought a tube of kitchen & bath caulk to put around the base. Bought the wax ring. Tried to install it. Discovered what an incredibly lame mounting design that common toilets have. The bolts that slide into the drainpipe flange onto which you slide the toilet…. kept falling out. Ruined the first wax ring. When I went to snug down the nuts, the bolts would cant and come out of the flange, so the toilet wasn’t actually bolted to anything so I had to lift the toilet and start over. Went and bought another wax ring. Tried it again, but got really smart, or so I thought. I tied long pieces of twine around the bolts, threaded them up through the toilet base, tied them together, and held the knot in my teeth as I lowered the toilet, to keep the bolts straight up, instead of falling out of the drain flange. Same result. The bolts slipped out of the notches again, and I was tightening them against nothing. Things then got really bad. While trying to adjust the toilet and give the 2nd wax ring another go, I was 2 feet from the hot water heater, in a tiny bathroom in south Louisiana, in a house with no current operating air conditioning (another story) on the sunny side of the house, and my arms were dripping with sweat. Toilet – woops – slid between my forearms, dropped 6 inches to the soft linoleum, and the tank cracked in half. 49-year-old toilet. Large capacity, sturdy, flushworthy, and brittle as could be. Got upset and depressed for about 3 minutes, and realized that you have to pay dues for everything you learn. Went down to Lowe’s and bought the cheapest toilet I could find, in case I broke another one. Brought it home and examined the drainpipe flange and saw that not only were the new bolts supplied with the wax ring (Ace-Hardware brand) quite tiny, but also part of the flange was cracked off on one side, to make the hole even bigger – which is why the bolt wouldn’t hold. Took a break for the night. Shovel and pasture and starlight. Went to the hardware store the next AM and bought a couple 1/4″ stainless-steel fender washers to slip on the two bolts and under the flange, go give me something to pull against when I tightened the toilet down – which the designers should have done from the START! Assembled and mounted new toilet, applied sealing compound around the base, let it harden so that the cheap, two-bolt toilet wouldn’t rock back and forth, and now the shovel is back in the shed :-) Despite the mishap, I am proud of my work and it looks nice.

P.S. The cheapo toilet was a 1.6 gallon/per/flush unit, so I am making a sign for the wall: “Flush once for #1; twice for #2.

Before angryed starts to gloat at my learning experience (if you recall, amid our collaborative effort on the California thread, he said that I should call a plumber, and I asked him if he would pay for it), yes, it was a pain, but I learned how to do a toilet, start to finish and, even with the broken toilet I had to trash, the grand total was $105, counting the $25 I had paid for the used one I broke.

Better than angryed’s solution of calling a plumber when you can’t afford it.

Maybe angryed is 0bama’s sock puppet.

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Can I ask a question? Why do you great ppl of hot air even comment on the backwards logic of an idiot like lowerwestside? It makes absolutely no sense……………

angrymike on May 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Speakup on May 6, 2012 at 8:50 PM

If I were one of the top Chinese leadership sitting around Zhongnanhai, sipping tea, right now I would be looking hard at all sorts of nationalized industries all across Europe, and look at what they would be worth on the auction block at the bottom of the market.

I’d wait until September, maybe October, and then offer each imperiled Euro country a discounted price for each…immediate ownership for say, five, maybe ten years worth of credit.

In one fell swoop, China owns Europe…owns the United States, controls global banking…and as for oil…really think the fuzzy-wuzzystans are going to try to do with China what they’ve been doing to the West for the past several decades?

China will get all the oil she needs at the price she demands.

All without making a threat, firing a shot, or acting uncivilized.

And us?

Lesson one:

Hello – nihao.

How much does this cost? — Dushaoqian.

Thank you. — XieXie.

coldwarrior on May 6, 2012 at 9:07 PM

gives to the rich.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

All you have is straw men and talking points. Did you really go to college? I seriously have my doubts .

CW on May 6, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Yea we are so scared.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:56 PM

There is no need to fear competence, prosperity, and having people in charge who have had real jobs at one point in their life. Look, you’ll like having a GOP House, GOP Senate, GOP administration, and, hopefully, GOP replacements for Justices Breyer and Ginsberg. :-)

Punchenko on May 6, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Can I ask a question? Why do you great ppl of hot air even comment on the backwards logic of an idiot like lowerwestside? It makes absolutely no sense……………

angrymike on May 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

You can get most of the dimocrap talking points for the week in one thread. Plus making them look foolish is so fun!

VegasRick on May 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM

they really think it began with subprime mortgages…

equanimous on May 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

That was just what exposed the systemic problems.

Tim Zank on May 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM

What do you think about the ideas Uppereastside is trying to sell here?

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

He isn’t trying to sell anything. He knows the crap he is posting isn’t true. He’s just jerking your chain. He’s lost something off his fast ball. He used come off a lot more nuanced and was harder to read.

a capella on May 6, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Can I ask a question? Why do you great ppl of hot air even comment on the backwards logic of an idiot like lowerwestside? It makes absolutely no sense……………

angrymike on May 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Because it’s good practice to demolish such “logic,” especially for the benefit of younger readers.

The more we exercise our debunking muscles, the more prepared we will be, in casual conversation, as the election nears, to win over weak 0bamabots, one by one.

Practice makes perfect.

cane_loader on May 6, 2012 at 9:14 PM

He wants more government stimulus, and more government spending in general,

The French are going to request that the Germans invade them again and regain control.

Goodbye, cheese monkeys, we barely knew ye.

Bishop on May 6, 2012 at 9:14 PM

he dislikes rich but he sure wants them to help him out

i don’t think so

cmsinaz on May 6, 2012 at 9:16 PM

RIP Goober

RickB on May 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Can I ask a question? Why do you great ppl of hot air even comment on the backwards logic of an idiot like lowerwestside? It makes absolutely no sense……………

angrymike on May 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Actually, their logic is an example of the critical thinking skills taught by the modern university professor who got his degree, knowledge of logic and thinking, and job by being a draft dodger during the Vietnam war.

Old Country Boy on May 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM

RIP Goober

RickB on May 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Yep RIP.

CW on May 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM

dear leader already sent his an invite to the wh

probably wants to get some notes from him…

cmsinaz on May 6, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Beg to differ. Politicians on both side of the aisle that shower funds to defense contractors in VA and provide endless tax credits to big oil &biz are the ones bankrupting this country.

Uppereastside on May 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

That has so many levels of ignorance to it, it is remarkable.

.. shower funds to defense contractors …

Shower funds? That is knee-slapping funny right there. As someone who has first-hand knowledge of that industry, I can guarantee you we are far from being “showered” with anything remotely resembling funds. [Obama & Co are showering the defense industry with something, but it ain't money]. I know of several major programs that are scrambling to find on the order of $4M to $20M to perform major improvements to those systems. Yes, that M as in million, and no, the decimal places aren’t out of place. Now, bear in mind, this is for one of the most heavily monitored and regulated businesses out there; you don’t get to go to your car dealership and look at their books to determine how much you are going to pay them for a new car. The government does exactly that with the defense industry — and then argues over the costs they find in those books.

endless tax credits to big oil &biz

Yeah, far be it from being fair that businesses be allowed to deduct the costs of doing business from the amount used to calculate their taxes. State and federal government taxes exceed the profits that oil companies earn on a gallon of gasoline.

It would bolster your position a bit more if you had some facts to go with your rhetoric.

AZfederalist on May 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

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