More Navy SEALs coming forward to criticize Obama for aftermath of Bin Laden raid?

posted at 7:36 pm on May 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

Remember that brutal ad from “Veterans for a Strong America” that I posted in the open thread for O’s Afghanistan speech on Tuesday?

There’s more on the way.

In the wake of a warm conservative reception for a web video trashing the president for “spiking the football” on the anniversary of Osama Bin Laden’s death, the conservative group Veterans for a Strong America plans to gather Navy SEALs and Special Forces operators to criticize the White House during the 2012 campaign.

“We’re looking to [put together] a coalition, to field SEALs and operators that want to come out publicly,” executive director of Veterans for a Strong America, Joel Arends, tells BuzzFeed. “I’ve had a lot of discussions with former SEALs and current SEALs. I’ve been talking to operators in the community. There is palatable discontent.”…

Arends denies he’s trying to “swift boat” Obama, however, a phrase coined in the conservative attacks on the details of John Kerry’s service in Vietnam. “I’m not adverse to that term,” he says. “But we’re not going to run a swift boat campaign against him. We’re going to talk about the issues.”

Arends won’t identify the group’s donors but another Republican source tells BuzzFeed they’ll have money to air their ad in markets with military communities. (Aren’t those communities voting Romney anyway?) Serious question: Does Obama mind this line of attack? I understand why it’s potentially effective. Rule one in the Rove playbook is to attack your opponent’s strength until it becomes a weakness; that was the point of going after Kerry’s military record in 2004. Turning the Bin Laden raid into a story about Obama’s ego would break one of the biggest arrows in his electoral quiver. And needless to say, the optics of SEALs criticizing O for making the OBL raid all about him are … not so good for the White House. Are they worse, though, than Obama having to defend eight-plus percent unemployment? He’d much rather have an argument with conservatives over the OBL raid than the economy since every minute spent talking about Bin Laden is (a) a reminder that O did in fact give the order to liquidate the bastard, however shoddy his behavior might have been afterward, and (b) a minute not spent talking about the thoroughgoing crappiness of, oh, pretty much every other part of his record.

Rest assured that Axelrod and company are recruiting pro-Obama vets even as I write this to push back against VSA in case they gain traction. And the left, I expect, will welcome a chance to re-fight the 2004 campaign. Their bitterness about the “swift boat” campaign that year is palpable even now; I bet they’d love a rematch in which they get to point out that the mastermind of 9/11 took a bullet in the face on their guy’s command. Exit question: What exactly is the GOP line on Obama’s football-spiking? I heard people say 100 times this week that O has the right to celebrate the OBL raid for electoral purposes but that he shouldn’t have dragged Romney into it by drawing a contrast in the ad. VSA seems to be saying that it’s the celebration itself that’s the problem. How much celebrating qualifies as “excessive”?



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Maybe Axelturf can get Pfc. Bradley Manning as one “veteran” who supports Obama.

GarandFan on May 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM

ddrintn on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Jesus, there have been a lot of people revealing themselves as intellectually honest and consistent on this site of late and its throwing me way off.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Well I’d probably disagree with you on 99% of things. But can anyone imagine Eisenhower or any other member of the US military becoming a prop in Thomas Dewey’s campaign against FDR in 1944? Come on, folks. The founders put civilian control of the military in there for a reason. This is a reeeeaaaaallllll slippery slope here.

ddrintn on May 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Someone help me here. Did Bush land on a carrier displaying a “Mission Accomplished” banner twice, or just once? I only remember once, as it was returning to its home port shortly after Saddam’s regime was toppled.

Did I miss the second time, when he landed on a carrier again a year later to celebrate the one year anniversary of the toppling of Saddam’s regime?

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Actually, the Mission Accomplished sign was for the carrier itself and their mission was accomplished.

Of course, Bush did not pretend that he was the commander of the aircraft carrier and then act as if it would have been a real bummer for his career if it had sunk…but then Bush was not a petty little moron.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Perhaps you may want to encourage Sketch to run against Bill Clinton then..

Uppereastside on May 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

That’s all you’ve got? Sketch didn’t put Bill Clinton in the video, your King Obama did.

JPeterman on May 3, 2012 at 8:48 PM

must be strong..don’t feed the troll

sadsushi on May 3, 2012 at 8:48 PM

If the swift boat fits….

sandee on May 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I was being sarcastic. What part of intellectual honesty do you not understand? Oh wait “lib” in your monniker says it all.

You come here to “amuse” yourself? KOS would probably work better.

arnold ziffel on May 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Another tragic symptom of ODS….
 
libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

 
That’s interesting. Upthread you indicated you didn’t have a problem with a banner representing a valid and specific achievement (congrats on the search, btw), only that Bush, the CIC of the vessel and the sailors who were headed home, had his photo taken with it visible in the background.
 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner? Really, you don’t recall that? Where you high all of the 2000s?
 
libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

 
I like you. You’re funny.

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The GOP is breathtaking it its hypocrisy. When Bush ran, it was all about his heroism and the decisive commander in chief blah blah even though he ran the worst run war in history. Now they are claiming Obama can’t brag about killing Bin Laden. By the way, does Rove think they can win this election by replayng 2004 campaign? Which was damn close, if I recall.

promachus on May 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Speaking of hypocrites, here the Democrats strutting around and bragging about killing a guy when they practically had a cow everytime a Republican even mentioned 911. They cried and moaned over Gitmo and yet it is still open. They threatened to send CIA agents to jail and then use their intel to go kill a bad guy without even bothering to give them an atta boy.

Talk about hypocricy.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:52 PM

This is long overdue. Our potus has disturbing, serious character issues and its time for somebody to adress them publicly. People who concede that this lowlife in the Oval Office somehow is a “nice guy” make a big mistake.

Valkyriepundit on May 3, 2012 at 8:54 PM

I can criticize GWB, the righties in congress, and Mitt all day long. I have never seen any of your ninnies on this site criticize Obama, or any of the leftie morons from MSNBC, for ex.

Schadenfreude on May 3, 2012 at 8:54 PM

DBear on May 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Above was meant in reply to you.

Schadenfreude on May 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Okay I’m going to say it. It was real brave to take down a washed up pathetic old man holed up under virtual house arrest in a hovel.. That’s not to say the Seals weren’t brave not knowing this. My utmost respect for them and not for the little man slumped in his chair still in his golfing clothes biting his nails that if it went wrong it would be bad for HIM…

sandee on May 3, 2012 at 8:56 PM

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner? Really, you don’t recall that? Where you high all of the 2000s?

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

I remember it..and I remember that the Democrats routinely lied about it and I remember that after all that moaning about the Mission Accomplished banner, they go overboard with a political ad that is a lot more offensive and are completely oblivious to the hypocricy.

Not all liberals are of course. Arianna Huffington saw it for what it was.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Speaking of hypocrites, here the Democrats strutting around and bragging about killing a guy when they practically had a cow everytime a Republican even mentioned 911. They cried and moaned over Gitmo and yet it is still open. They threatened to send CIA agents to jail and then use their intel to go kill a bad guy without even bothering to give them an atta boy.

Talk about hypocricy.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Romney can say so all day long. But getting active duty military personnel to do so would be crossing the line, and I would imagine even Romney supporters know it. If you can’t see the problem there, something is seriously wrong.

ddrintn on May 3, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I remember it..and I remember that the Democrats routinely lied about it and I remember that after all that moaning about the Mission Accomplished banner, they go overboard with a political ad that is a lot more offensive and are completely oblivious to the hypocricy.

Not all liberals are of course. Arianna Huffington saw it for what it was.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Remember how they begged Bush not to use it in his re-election bid, and then they used it against him?

sandee on May 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

And under Bill Clinton, a democrat President, how many opportunities did he have to take out BinLaden?

JPeterman on May 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Perhaps you may want to encourage Sketch to run against Bill Clinton then..

Dick Cheney Is a War Criminal on May 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

lol, your Dear Leader is still running again Bush.

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Well I’d probably disagree with you on 99% of things. But can anyone imagine Eisenhower or any other member of the US military becoming a prop in Thomas Dewey’s campaign against FDR in 1944? Come on, folks. The founders put civilian control of the military in there for a reason. This is a reeeeaaaaallllll slippery slope here.

ddrintn on May 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

True.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 9:02 PM

under Republicans we got hit on 9/11

DBear on May 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Sorry, Hater, but Bill Clinton and the Democrats own 9/11, because bin Laden himself said it was planned to happen on their watch. The only reason it didn’t was because Mohammed Atta told bin Laden they needed more training time. Remember, in his 1996 Fatwa against America (that’s a Declaration of War) he specifically mentioned Bill Clinton by name. Never once mentioned Chimpy Bush. Epic Fail on your part.

Simple Question for a Simple Mind: Please tell us, and your gullible niece and nephew, exactly how Bush could have prevented the 9/11 attacks using methods that you Democrats would approve of.

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Simple Question for a Simple Mind: Please tell us, and your gullible niece and nephew, exactly how Bush could have prevented the 9/11 attacks using methods that you Democrats would approve of.

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 9:06

Ditto

sandee on May 3, 2012 at 9:07 PM

My question is how far can Brian Williams get his head up Obama’s butt before some one is in need of surgery?

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 9:09 PM

I have a gnawing gut feeling that explains the revulsion of the Kenyan imposter taking credit for killing OBL. Americans sacrificed their sons and daughters, their taxes, and serenity since 9/11 in this effort as well as the heroes in our military. The Kenyan is not one of us and does not understand the psyche of Americans at war!! He crows like a rooster and thinks that he made the sun rise!!Remember in November!!

Marco on May 3, 2012 at 9:09 PM

I wonder where these dishonorable idiots were when Bush was displaying the Mission Accomplished Banner.

Dick Cheney Is a War Criminal on May 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

That banner was requested by the Carrier Lincoln’s crew. The White House honored their request.

I know you’re absolutely clueless about how the military runs, but US Navy and US Coast Guard vessels have always hung those banners on their vessels when returning fro a deployment mission. Even if it’s just a trip out into the waters off of New York City to maintain buoys.

G-

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Of course, Bush did not pretend that he was the commander of the aircraft carrier and then act as if it would have been a real bummer for his career if it had sunk…but then Bush was not a petty little moron.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

That’s interesting. Upthread you indicated you didn’t have a problem with a banner representing a valid and specific achievement (congrats on the search, btw), only that Bush, the CIC of the vessel and the sailors who were headed home, had his photo taken with it visible in the background.

Its easy when you all just debate each other like that.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

But its sadder when you need things repeated again and again. So let me try again without the sarcasm. There is *nothing* about the American President’s TV appearances that are left to chance. Absolutely nothing. I know you lapped up the kool aid that Bush was “just another dude.” But the man was a President. Which means that every single part of his image was crafted, planned, staged and thought out. Yes, the successful mission of the given aircraft carrier gave Bush (and his defenders) plausible deniability if/when anyone claims that the mission in Iraq was not actually accomplished. But given the amount of people who watch the news without the sound on, given the importance of visuals to communicating a political message (jesus why am I having to explain like political science 101 to these people) then you have to conclude there was a specific and intentional political choice to put Bush before that “Mission Accomplished” banner. It was all about communicating the message that the Iraq invasion had been a success. And the phrase “Mission Accomplished” indicates that the job is over.

I do not understand why conservatives would rather have other people think that they are idiots. Because that is the only way you can “not get it” about the political calculus behind placing Bush on that particular aircraft carrier at that particular time in the Iraq War.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Active SEALs do not have to say a word about this. IIRC, by law they cannot, officially or publicly.

But presumably they can express their opinions privately to family and friends. However, even that second or third hand info is not needed.

Their ex-SEAL comrades-in-arms can do all the talking. This mission was not an atypical SEAL mission. There have been many like it. There have been more dangerous missions in which SEALs were killed.

Ex-SEALs are American citizens who have every right to express their opinions on the matter — their opinions on how SEALS view such missions, and their opinions about the politicians who send them in harm’s way and take the credit. Ex-SEALs have a right to speak out if they see fit.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:13 PM

My question is how far can Brian Williams get his head up Obama’s butt before some one is in need of surgery?

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Brian Williams is the one that little Bammie himself joked about sharing a bed with him and Moochie, at one of the past correspondents’ dinners.

slickwillie2001 on May 3, 2012 at 9:16 PM

I wonder where these dishonorable idiots were when Bush was displaying the Mission Accomplished Banner.

Uppereastside on May 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

W was there to honor and thank the military for the job they did. obama is thanking and honoring himself for the job the seals did.

chasdal on May 3, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Thank you. You know this stuff better than me.

JPeterman on May 3, 2012 at 9:17 PM

The libtrolls seem to have two buttons.

Press one and you hear “Bush’s Fault!” Press the other and you hear “Bush did it, too”!

BDS — there is no known cure.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Ex-SEALs have a right to speak out if they see fit.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Former military? Certainly. Current active-duty military? No. Way. Ever.

ddrintn on May 3, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Their ex-SEAL comrades-in-arms can do all the talking. This mission was not an atypical SEAL mission. There have been many like it. There have been more dangerous missions in which SEALs were killed.

Ex-SEALs are American citizens who have every right to express their opinions on the matter — their opinions on how SEALS view such missions, and their opinions about the politicians who send them in harm’s way and take the credit. Ex-SEALs have a right to speak out if they see fit.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I’m sure you know of the spirited rivalry between the Navy and Marines through-out our American history, they loved a good ol’ fashioned brawl. That said, I don’t think a Marine would mind at all if you called the SEALS “former SEALS” instead of ex. As you should also know, there’s no such thing as an ex-Marine.

Carry on…..

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Our potus has disturbing, serious character issues and its time for somebody to address them publicly. People who concede that this lowlife in the Oval Office somehow is a “nice guy” make a big mistake.

He’s not a nice guy. He’s a malicious, soulless S O B without a single redeeming quality, and the lefty trolls on this site who cannot see that are either paid seminar posters, hopelessly deluded or absolute imbeciles.

Right Mover on May 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Remember way back in the long long ago times…before 2008…when we were told time and time and time again that dissent, against the President, even, was considered patriotic?

Remember how we were told, to include a number of posters here at Hot Air, that protesting Bush and his policies and everything else about him was their patriotic obligation? Even a presidential wannabe, now SecState, echoed the very same thing, often.

When did that federal law, as it seemed to be, since so many elected officials with a (D) next to their names insisted they were being very patriotic pointing out every Bush foible and misstep, no matter how minor, real or imagined or made up of whole cloth…when did that federal policy get changed?

Seems now, if one says Obama screwed up, even something minor, like spilling maple syrup on his tummy trying to eat a waffle it is considered by the Left as some sort of high treason.

BTW, what ever happened to that children’s song “G.W. Bush, Mmmmm, Mmmmm, Mmmm?”

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Carry on…..

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

You are right, of course.

But with all of the hysterical shrieking about how active SEALs cannot say bad things about Bammy I was trying to make a legal distinction.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

And the phrase “Mission Accomplished” indicates that the job is over.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM

One photo-op = “the war is over”?

And WE’RE the ones who don’t understand political optics?

Get back on the putting green, lib. You’re in way over your head, man.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 3, 2012 at 9:32 PM

But with all of the hysterical shrieking about how active SEALs cannot say bad things about Bammy I was trying to make a legal distinction.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

It’s not “hysterical shrieking”. It gets to the core of one of the principles that the Founders put in place. You don’t sacrifice those things just for the candidate of the moment. ANY candidate.

ddrintn on May 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM

You are right, of course.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Yes, he is, indeed.

And Rovin is also correct.

Both good things, very good things.

[Sorry...old NCO in me...right is a direction...correct is/was the preferred word.]

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Rule one in the Rove playbook is to

Are you retarded? Rove was the architect of the biggest collapse in GOP/Conservative political power in history. He came to Washington with the GOP owning the White House, House and Senate and left with the GOP having NOTHING and being a total pariah of a political party (until the Tea Party saved the GOP from themselves, only to have the idiot GOP turn around and stab the Tea Party in the back over and over and over after the 2010 elections, starting with that illegal and insane lame duck session that they should all be jailed for).

Anyone who looks to Rove for anything has not been following politics very closely. Rove is about nothing but conservative destruction. HJe should be confined to a rubber room for the duration of this lection.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 3, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Some are still trying to get mileage out of that banner which was addressed to the crew of CVN-72 and its Battle Group.

A Navy tradition going back long long before many here were even born.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Media outlets such as MSNBC shill for Obama. The most blatant example this week was the banner on the nightly news promoting “Breaking News.” The “Breaking News” was that Bin Laden had been dead one year. This was compleatly laughable and brought to mind the old SNL skit where Garett Morris would proclaim that, “General Fransico Franco is still dead!” Perhaps the DNC has hired some of the washed up writers from SNL.

Art on May 3, 2012 at 9:37 PM

the commander of the aircraft carrier
 
Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

 
the CIC of the vessel and the sailors who were headed home
 
rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

 
Its easy when you all just debate each other like that.
 
libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM

 
You realize your error, right? Hint: Two words. No, not “poll tests”, although I wouldn’t argue.
 
Starts with “in,” ends with “chief”
 

why am I having to explain like political science 101 to these people

 
Boomerangs are neat, aren’t they?

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I mean, its not like the President of the United States has a team of highly paid media strategists who plan the staging of every single media appearance.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

And yet, every President has multiple gaffes, even with “highly paid media strategists” supposedly scripting their every move.

If a Democrat was on that carrier, you’d write off the bigger message of ‘the war is won’ as unintentional. When it’s a Republican, it’s cynical politicking meant to trick low-info voters.

If you were any more transparent, your posts would literally be invisible.

Remember how conservatives reacted when a number of retired generals came out of the woodwork to criticize Donald Rumsfield and the President.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Remember when liberals were against the “unitary executive/imperial presidency” and targeted assassinations?

It was so precious how you guys actually pretended to be anti-war all through the Bush years.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 3, 2012 at 9:38 PM

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Well, using your calculus of comparing the two, when should we see your posts condemning President Obama for using the mission to get/kill OBL as a campaign ad?

Or giving press conferences in the formerly unseen WH Sit Room?

Or even, per-releasing certain classified information about the raid to Sony Studios so a movie can be made about the raid?

While your crafting your obviously cutting remarks to make sure this President is held to the same standards as you would like former President Bush, you *will* be posting those remarks shortly, right?

I’ll wait over here while you finish the spellcheck and get ready to post it.

BlaxPac on May 3, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Some are still trying to get mileage out of that banner which was addressed to the crew of CVN-72 and its Battle Group.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 9:36 PM

It’s worse than that.

Bush did not land again on another carrier a year later to commemorate the anniversary.

Obama got to spike the ball and receive innumerable pats-on-the-back, high-fives, congratulations, and laurels for this mission a year ago.

But, apparently, like Al Bundy he wants to spike the ball every year in celebration of his only triumph.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM

But, apparently, like Al Bundy he wants to spike the ball every year in celebration of his only triumph.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM

As if the Mom-Jeans in Chief could ever score four touchdowns in one game in the Chicago HS Football City Championship for the Polk High Panthers.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 3, 2012 at 9:52 PM

W was there to honor and thank the military for the job they did. obama is thanking and honoring himself for the job the seals did.

chasdal on May 3, 2012 at 9:16 PM

THAT !

burrata on May 3, 2012 at 9:55 PM

As if the Mom-Jeans in Chief could ever score four touchdowns in one game in the Chicago HS Football City Championship for the Polk High Panthers.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 3, 2012 at 9:52 PM

LOL…I dare him to even *name* one member of the Polk High Panthers…of *any* year…

Then again, Al Bundy would B-Slap him and take over…Just give ‘em the ball and watch the magic happen…

BlaxPac on May 3, 2012 at 9:56 PM

kerry and obama have one really strong trait in common…they are both liars

crosshugger on May 3, 2012 at 9:56 PM

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM

In his own unique way, at least Al Bundy was a sympathetic character….I could empathize with him many many times.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Personally, I say leave the Seals out of politics that’s not what they signed up for. This is stooping to the level of the current Commander in Chief. Just leave the Seals out of it, he will sink himself.

DDay on May 3, 2012 at 10:03 PM

In his own unique way, at least Al Bundy was a sympathetic character….I could empathize with him many many times.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 9:56 PM

specially when Peggy said that
” Hey Al ”
:O

burrata on May 3, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I’ll wait over here while you finish the spellcheck and get ready to post it.

BlaxPac on May 3, 2012 at 9:39 PM

You be waiting long time GI since I axed her a similar question. When confronted with facts or something they can’t or won’t deal with they turn into Velveeta.

arnold ziffel on May 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

burrata on May 3, 2012 at 10:08 PM

One of the reasons I had to give up watching Sumo wrestling on TV.

It just evoked horrible horrible memories of my ex.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

In his own unique way, at least Al Bundy was a sympathetic character….I could empathize with him many many times.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Al was great. I think many men could empathize with him to some extent.

And he was hilarious. He could walk into a room and make me laugh before he said a word.

With Obama, OTOH, I hit the mute button or FF the DVR.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Ultimately it’s the single biggest “accomplishment” of the Obama administration.

To point out that it was a no brainer, had massive CYA, and was executed by guys who get boots on ground time who disagree with his national defense policy (which they also execute) effectively undermines the bejeezus out of Pres. Obama’s finest hour.

Sgt Steve on May 3, 2012 at 10:20 PM

to field SEALs and operators that want to come out publicly,” executive director of Veterans for a Strong America, Joel Arends, tells BuzzFeed

I’m skeptical of this approach. I don’t think many will do this.

ted c on May 3, 2012 at 10:21 PM

[Sorry...old NCO in me...right is a direction...correct is/was the preferred word.]

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Remember how funny/strange it was to see a Hollywood picture when the guy on the radio would say “repeat”?

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

And the next sound wasn’t a full battery raining dozens and dozens of shells down?

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

You know I remember Bush acting just like Obastard after the capture of Saddam Hussein and on the anniversaries each year after. /sarc

bbinfl on May 3, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Just leave the Seals out of it, he will sink himself.

DDay on May 3, 2012 at 10:03 PM

No “torpedo puns” there DDay? :)

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 10:26 PM

shells – rounds….you know, those heavy metal things the gun bunnies rammed into the breeches and stuffed bags behind…

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:27 PM

One of the reasons I had to give up watching Sumo wrestling on TV.

It just evoked horrible horrible memories of my ex.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Funniest thing all day. So many ways to go with that one.

arnold ziffel on May 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Obama is a terrible leader, and I think people are starting to notice it. I’m a career Navy man and I’ve attended several leadership schools. I’ve known Third Class Petty Officers who had more leadership ability than Obama. Does he deserve to be called out in this fashion? Yes, I think so.

Obama’s running around, pounding his chest, and taking all the credit for killing bin Laden has turned a lot of people off. An effective leader would have never used “I” or “me” when talking about that mission. A leader would have praised the men who planned it, carried it out, and took the risk. Everyone knows that Obama is the president, and everyone knows that he authorized the mission.

Obama, by constantly taking all the credit and tooting his own horn, comes across as insecure and immature.

A good example of effective leadership can be seen by watching film clips of Dwight D. Eisenhower before and after the D-Day invasion. Prior to launching the invasion, he wrote a letter taking full responsibility in the event the mission failed. And after it was a success, you never heard him say “I” or “me” in speaking about it. It was all about those men who hit the beaches and scaled the heights that eventful day.

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 2:32 PM

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 10:29 PM

arnold ziffel on May 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM

When she’d throw that handful of salt…well, there was no escape…my God, the humanity!

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:30 PM

It takes a particularly high degree of emotional retardation for the Obama administration to pull their little campaign stunt a mere three months before the first anniversary of 22 SEAL Team Six KIA along with eight other servicemen.

Somehow, I doubt Obama will call any of their families on August 6th.

Christien on May 3, 2012 at 10:32 PM

shells – rounds….you know, those heavy metal things the gun bunnies rammed into the breeches and stuffed bags behind…

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:27 PM

And……some times your greatest friend when in need. Nothing sweeter than two people using deadly accurate coordinates.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM

How much celebrating qualifies as “excessive”?

How much does Obama want to divert attention from other things?

VorDaj on May 3, 2012 at 10:35 PM

under Republicans we got hit on 9/11 and then invaded a country w/ no WMD’s.

Obama killed Bin Laden and got us out of Iraq.

by all means GOP let’s fight it out on national security!

DBear on May 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

9/11 happened mainly because you guru, Bubba was busy doing interns in the oval office, instead of paying attention to the warnings from the intel community…The Iraq war was sorted out by Bush, while he was still in office, the surge worked and naturally he could take credit for it…Obama did absolutely shite in Iraq, he could afford to pull out when the war was actually concluded and largely won (from a military perspective anyways) on his predecessor watch…Obama’s just a pathetic commander in chief and a petty man with an ego twice the size of his wife’s behind and completely out of his depth when it comes to defence…

jimver on May 3, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Actually, the Mission Accomplished sign was for the carrier itself and their mission was accomplished.

Of course, Bush did not pretend that he was the commander of the aircraft carrier and then act as if it would have been a real bummer for his career if it had sunk…but then Bush was not a petty little moron.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

This is correct. I know this because I had several friends who were on the Abraham Lincoln at the time. As soon as Bush made his speech and departed, the Lincoln docked in San Diego. Their mission “was” accomplished. But let’s never let facts get in the way of a good narrative created by the left.

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 10:37 PM

shells – rounds….you know, those heavy metal things the gun bunnies rammed into the breeches and stuffed bags behind…

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Let’s not bring Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi into this now.

VorDaj on May 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Remember how funny/strange it was to see a Hollywood picture when the guy on the radio would say “repeat”?

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Not as funny as when the guy would say ‘Over and out”.

VorDaj on May 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Let’s not bring Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi into this now.

VorDaj on May 3, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Just had to go there…just haaaddd to go there.

And here I am trying to get images of Sumo out of my mind…

:-)

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM

How much celebrating qualifies as “excessive”?

Stolen Valor celebrations? Every little bit of it.

Barky the Dog-Eater ought to be prosecuted under Stolen Valor.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 3, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Not as funny as when the guy would say ‘Over and out”.

VorDaj on May 3, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Who was that Cajun three-star, Honore or something, who took charge after Katrina…always said “over” at the end of each sentence or para when answering questions from the press. US Army Northern Command or something?

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:44 PM

The president’s narcissism isn’t lost on the American people,

Why do you keep saying that in the face of poll after poll after poll that finds Obama does strongest when the issue is personal likability.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Busted!

Most recent O’bama Favorability “Polls”:

Faux News 4/22-4/24 : 50%

C-BS “News”/New York Times 4/13-4/17: 42%

Quinnipiac, 4/11-4/17: 45%

CNN 4/13-4/17: 56%

ABC/Washington Post 4/11-4/15 : 56%

The final two (dated) polls are from well known O’bama Fluffers.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I wonder where these dishonorable idiots were when Bush was displaying the Mission Accomplished Banner.

Uppereastside on May 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Its OK to celebrate a foreign policy victory before it happens, its just egotistical if you wait until after you’ve accomplished something. Duh.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:24 PM

lol, when are you two expecting your first child?

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

One year after the capture of the Butcher of Baghdad, President Bush was passing out Medals of Freedom to patriots, not patting himself on the back.

His “I” was “I have been proud” and his “my” was “my honor.”

Obama is a disgusting caricature of a leader. I would rather listen to a hundred Cub Scout Pack leaders than 10 seconds of this third-rate tin-pot dictator wannabe, grievance-mongering, professional agitator.

winoceros on May 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

IIRC, I don’t remember Bush (now or then, really) having *any* sort of “victory lap” when Saddam was pulled out of the ground like a rotten Rutabaga by SF troopers.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner? Really, you don’t recall that? Where you high all of the 2000s?

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Saddam was pulled out of the ground 7 months after Bush was on the Aircraft Carrier, Skippy.

H-

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I would caution any commissioned SEALs to zip it. Article 88 of the UCMJ has teeth.

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President,the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

There are better ways than cutting campaign ads and getting involved in partisan politics. Save it for after you retire, fellas.

OhioCoastie on May 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM

This is correct. They’ll be fine as long as they stick to veterans’ groups. Active duty personnel should stay the Hell away from this.

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 10:54 PM

under Republicans we got hit on 9/11

DBear on May 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

WTC 1993 , look it up young stuff, you probably were not much more than a zygote back then.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Yup, its a total and complete coincidence that the President chose to speak on a ship who had a banner celebrating a different mission. 100% random. I mean, its not like the President of the United States has a team of highly paid media strategists who plan the staging of every single media appearance. Nope, it just all happened by chance. I mean, that’s the ethos that defines the American Presidency, “put him somewhere, maybe it’ll look good, but who knows!”

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Hate to burst your bubble, but the last Democrat pResident, Bill Clinton (an admitted Draft Dodger, by the way) made 5, count ‘em 5, Aircraft Carrier Photo Op Visits between 1993 and 2000. Two of them to the same vessel.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq49-1.htm

William J. Clinton (1993-2001)

Carrier Theodore Roosevelt (1993)

Carrier Carl Vinson (1993; 1995)

Carrier George Washington (1994)

Carrier Independence (1996)

Carrier Harry S. Truman (1998)

Guided Missile Cruiser Hue City(2000)

On the other hand…

George W. Bush (2001-2009)

Carrier Abraham Lincoln (2003)

Amphibious Assault Ship Iwo Jima(2005)

Carrier George H. W. Bush (2009)

I- (Ignorance)

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 10:58 PM

One of the reasons I had to give up watching Sumo wrestling on TV.

It just evoked horrible horrible memories of my ex.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

LOL :D
I used to wonder what would it be like to be with a sumo wrestler …

burrata on May 3, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I love the way you grade trolls on a curve, so they know just how much fail they achieved. Hopefully, sometime close to the election you award a “Zero-minus” or, better yet, the ultimate–Zero.Point.Zero.

Christien on May 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

I used to wonder what would it be like to be with a sumo wrestler …

burrata on May 3, 2012 at 11:00 PM

You need help…serious help. :-)

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 11:02 PM

But given the amount of people who watch the news without the sound on

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM

lol, please tell us how Nielsen and Arbitron automatically measure how many viewers watch TV without the sound on.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM

lol, when are you two expecting your first child?

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

with such lineage, poor thing would be intellectually impaired…

jimver on May 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

And just for fun, rather than planning strategy sessions on how he was going to celebrate the putrescence of Mr. Hussein, he and Mrs. Bush visited wounded warriors at Fischer House and then told the press about it after the fact to praise the facility and their efforts and to extol the virtues of the soldiers he met.

Obama, on the other hand, has every TV on in every room and every magazine so he can see what everyone has to say about him.

He is a sad, sad man.

winoceros on May 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Obama spiked the football and it bounced back up and hit him in the nuts.

Wigglesworth on May 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

winoceros on May 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Rem,ember back in the day, when Obama was on his “The World Loves Me” tour out in Germany…and he refused to visit Landstuhl Army Hospital unless he could make it into a photo/TV op?

Ended up shooting hoops in Berlin…tried to tell the press that the Army would not let him in…blamed it on the Army.

The photo/TV rule was in effect to protect the sensitivities of families and wounded US service members being treated at Landstuhl…most of whom were being stabilized due to horrible injuries before being sent to places like Wilford Hall or Brooke Army Hospital or Walter Reed for intense treatment.

But…we should have gotten a hint…it was all about Obama then as it is today…the hell with what the troops desire or their sensitivities…they are mere stage props for another photo op.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Wigglesworth on May 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Didn’t Jesse Jackson have first dibs on those?

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Obama, on the other hand, has every TV on in every room and every magazine so he can see what everyone has to say about him.

winoceros on May 3, 2012 at 11:14 PM

yet he can’t pronounce ‘navy corpsman’ correctly…

jimver on May 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Obama spiked the football and it bounced back up and hit him in the nuts.

Wigglesworth on May 3, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I wasn’t aware he had any…

jimver on May 3, 2012 at 11:24 PM

lol, when are you two expecting your first child?
 
Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

 
with such lineage, poor thing would be intellectually impaired…
 
jimver on May 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

 
Or Julia.

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Or Julia.

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

loooooool :-)….

jimver on May 3, 2012 at 11:30 PM

lol, when are you two expecting your first child?

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

with such lineage, poor thing would be intellectually impaired…

jimver on May 3, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Or Julia.

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Professor Althouse checks in on Julia

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/05/half-of-what-i-say-is-meaningless-but-i.html

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 11:49 PM

You be waiting long time GI since I axed her a similar question. When confronted with facts or something they can’t or won’t deal with they turn into Velveeta.

arnold ziffel on May 3, 2012 at 10:13 PM

True, Arnold. But never let it be said i never gave a fair shot; even though it really isn’t fair, because I’m arguing from a side of a sensible nature, whereas…

shrug.

BlaxPac on May 3, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Obama is a disgusting caricature of a leader. I would rather listen to a hundred Cub Scout Pack leaders than 10 seconds of this third-rate tin-pot dictator wannabe, grievance-mongering, professional agitator.

winoceros on May 3, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Ouch.

AesopFan on May 4, 2012 at 12:18 AM

What is wrong with you liberal dickheads? If you walked into someone else’s birthday party with the “Happy Birthday” banner hanging on the wall and someone took your picture would you have a birthday?
Would you claim it was your birthday because there was a banner hanging? The “Mission Accomplished” banner was for the men and women of the carrier for their successful completion of their mission in the Gulf. Do any of you think GWB loves and respects the military? I do. Do any of you think BHO loves and respects the military? No me neither

inspectorudy on May 4, 2012 at 12:28 AM

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