More Navy SEALs coming forward to criticize Obama for aftermath of Bin Laden raid?

posted at 7:36 pm on May 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

Remember that brutal ad from “Veterans for a Strong America” that I posted in the open thread for O’s Afghanistan speech on Tuesday?

There’s more on the way.

In the wake of a warm conservative reception for a web video trashing the president for “spiking the football” on the anniversary of Osama Bin Laden’s death, the conservative group Veterans for a Strong America plans to gather Navy SEALs and Special Forces operators to criticize the White House during the 2012 campaign.

“We’re looking to [put together] a coalition, to field SEALs and operators that want to come out publicly,” executive director of Veterans for a Strong America, Joel Arends, tells BuzzFeed. “I’ve had a lot of discussions with former SEALs and current SEALs. I’ve been talking to operators in the community. There is palatable discontent.”…

Arends denies he’s trying to “swift boat” Obama, however, a phrase coined in the conservative attacks on the details of John Kerry’s service in Vietnam. “I’m not adverse to that term,” he says. “But we’re not going to run a swift boat campaign against him. We’re going to talk about the issues.”

Arends won’t identify the group’s donors but another Republican source tells BuzzFeed they’ll have money to air their ad in markets with military communities. (Aren’t those communities voting Romney anyway?) Serious question: Does Obama mind this line of attack? I understand why it’s potentially effective. Rule one in the Rove playbook is to attack your opponent’s strength until it becomes a weakness; that was the point of going after Kerry’s military record in 2004. Turning the Bin Laden raid into a story about Obama’s ego would break one of the biggest arrows in his electoral quiver. And needless to say, the optics of SEALs criticizing O for making the OBL raid all about him are … not so good for the White House. Are they worse, though, than Obama having to defend eight-plus percent unemployment? He’d much rather have an argument with conservatives over the OBL raid than the economy since every minute spent talking about Bin Laden is (a) a reminder that O did in fact give the order to liquidate the bastard, however shoddy his behavior might have been afterward, and (b) a minute not spent talking about the thoroughgoing crappiness of, oh, pretty much every other part of his record.

Rest assured that Axelrod and company are recruiting pro-Obama vets even as I write this to push back against VSA in case they gain traction. And the left, I expect, will welcome a chance to re-fight the 2004 campaign. Their bitterness about the “swift boat” campaign that year is palpable even now; I bet they’d love a rematch in which they get to point out that the mastermind of 9/11 took a bullet in the face on their guy’s command. Exit question: What exactly is the GOP line on Obama’s football-spiking? I heard people say 100 times this week that O has the right to celebrate the OBL raid for electoral purposes but that he shouldn’t have dragged Romney into it by drawing a contrast in the ad. VSA seems to be saying that it’s the celebration itself that’s the problem. How much celebrating qualifies as “excessive”?



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JugEars the clown!

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:37 PM

You think he has ever fired a gun?

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Put on boots?

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Does he know what a canteen is?

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I’m Barack Obama and I’m reporting for…

Wait, what?

pain train on May 3, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Has he made a bed?

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:39 PM

It’s still the economy and hopefully the people are not so stupid, but this is sweet.

Oz needs to be mocked and sent out of town.

Schadenfreude on May 3, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I heard people say 100 times this week that O has the right to celebrate the OBL raid for electoral purposes but that he shouldn’t have dragged Romney into it by drawing a contrast in the ad. VSA seems to be saying that it’s the celebration itself that’s the problem. How much celebrating qualifies as “excessive”?

Exit answer: Nobody gives a damn about consistency. It’s an election year, after all, so it’s time to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

I have no doubt that VSA is focus-testing these ads and have found them to be effective even outside the military. The president’s narcissism isn’t lost on the American people, and I’m willing to bet that even the death of OBL can be cheapened if it’s combined with enough “I, me, my” from Obama.

KingGold on May 3, 2012 at 7:41 PM

If there is a pro JugEars veteran…they have to be suffering from shell-shock!

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Holy schmolies

cmsinaz on May 3, 2012 at 7:43 PM

16 hours.

Rebar on May 3, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Not sure how much I like the idea, actually.

Pushing back against Obama’s bin Laden ad is one thing, but this sounds like they want to present a wider campaign. The military, generally should stay out of politics, and this could easily come too close.

malclave on May 3, 2012 at 7:43 PM

If there is a pro JugEars veteran…they have to be suffering from shell-shock!

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:41 PM

That was my first thought. Not shell shocked, but a supporter. Special forces anyway.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Barack Obama has made the SEALS mad.
He really is an idiot. So first we had liberals saying Scalia is a thug, now we’re going to have liberals taking trash about ….Navy SEALs.

If someone was writing a book, they’d be laughing as they added these parts to it.

OBAMA VS the SEALS.
Wow. How much hatred do you think these guys feel for him?
Unprecedented! Historic! I guess the libs were right about him afterall.

B Man on May 3, 2012 at 7:45 PM

How much celebrating qualifies as “excessive”?

Well, I thought it was excessive to go “I” “I” “I” every time we’ve heard about OBL’s death.

I thought it was excessive to spill too much info soon after OBL was killed. It was obviously done strictly for ego and PR and looked amateurish to boot.

I thought it was excessive to fly to Afghanistan.

I thought it was excessive to give a speech on the anniversary of his death.

I thought it was excessive, period. Because when you suddenly act like a foreign policy hawk, then your sheer cynicism is apparent, and we know you’re celebrating for political purposes.

INC on May 3, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Gotta admire their guts, in more ways than one…but….

With the impending downsizing of our military since the Senate just can’t get around to doing that budget thingie…the armed forces are facing necessary personnel cuts, and recently a few services, the Marines come to mind, have let people go early for just about any reason one can think of.

Under the UCMJ at what risk are these operators?

Disrespect to the Commander in Chief?

Disclosure or confirmation of classified material/information?

Sedition in time of war?

Other articles under the UCMJ?

I hope their sponsoring group has world class attorneys on board for any eventualities.

Other than that small concern, I say “Molon Labe!”

[And God Bless them…truly bless all of them.]

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Good, it’s shame that’s playing the”I got Bin Laden” card. No he didn’t, a group of very dedicated who have made many sacrifices (birthdays and anniversaries missed, birth of children missed) risked their lives in a highly risky raid. He should simple lead the nation in thanking them. That would be presidential.

rbj on May 3, 2012 at 7:46 PM

You know if the tables were turned the dems would be even worse

Ya gotta fight fire with fire

Excessive celebration VIA opening up sit room and having Brian drool at your,feet plus declassifing mire records now

Yeah, its excessive

cmsinaz on May 3, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Rest assured that Axelrod and company are recruiting pro-Obama vets even as I write this to push back against VSA in case they gain traction.

And Axelrod and O’bama will happily “reimburse” them for their trouble, just as Thurston did by buying off his boat-mates in 2004.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 7:46 PM

I don’t understand why people show their cards in politics. Seriously, why would they tell Buzzfeed what they are doing? Isn’t the element of surprise much better?

ramrants on May 3, 2012 at 7:46 PM

liquidate the bastard

Haha, liquidate… burial at sea… liquid.

Just thought it was humorous.

Mr. Prodigy on May 3, 2012 at 7:46 PM

“I’m truly not that concerned with him.”

cjw79 on May 3, 2012 at 7:47 PM

The military, generally should stay out of politics, and this could easily come too close.

malclave on May 3, 2012 at 7:43 PM

I tend to agree, which is why I thought Gary Stein was such a jackass.

But if these people are discharged or retired, they owe their loyalty to their country alone, and have just as much right as any other civilian to get involved.

KingGold on May 3, 2012 at 7:47 PM

You think he has ever fired a gun?

Obama Marshmallow Gun
Of course he has and it was pretty powerful!

nextgen_repub on May 3, 2012 at 7:48 PM

The Clinton add, approved by Obama, explaining how politically awful it would have been for President Rambo if the mission failed and SEALs were killed and/or captured — hence the “gutsy” decision — may have been the last straw.

Sociopaths slip up sometimes and unintentionally reveal themselves. It seems Clinton and Obama are birds of a feather.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM

You think he has ever fired a gun?

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Gotta ask Michelle or Reggie about that one.

Now, has he ever fired a weapon?

Most likely not.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Does he know what a canteen is?

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:39 PM

That little snack area for the TV production staff right next to the larger more elegant green room?

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM

This.

pain train on May 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM

I don’t think “seal clubbing” means what axelrod thinks it means.

AH_C on May 3, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Are they worse, though, than Obama having to defend eight-plus percent unemployment?

You know, now that I think about it, maybe this is just a case of the VRWC diversifying its attack portfolio, so to speak.

If by chance the economy starts ticking up, Team Obama won’t fear talking about the economy any more. If that’s the case, a fusillade on his severe personality defects might just be enough to blast another hole in the S.S. Downgrade.

KingGold on May 3, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Put on boots?

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

How did you ever got Reggie Love’s Secret Service code name?

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 7:52 PM

+1 ah_c

cmsinaz on May 3, 2012 at 7:53 PM

More Navy SEALs coming forward to criticize Obama for aftermath of Bin Laden raid?

Next Hollywood Blockbuster:

Black(Chicken)hawk Down.

/Blame Biden for that one.

BlaxPac on May 3, 2012 at 7:54 PM

I have it from a reliable source that Barry killed Osama with his bare hands. Here’s the stealth device he used to sneak up on him.

pain train on May 3, 2012 at 7:56 PM

What exactly is the GOP line on Obama’s football-spiking?

1. The whereabouts of bin Laden would never have become known but for the EIT intelligence which Obama denounced.

2. Obama waited x months after bin Laden’s whereabouts were known before he gave the order. (if in fact Obama, not Panetta, gave the order.)

3. Obama then waited a further 16 hours. Why?

4. Every President, except Clinton, would have given the order – which was a no-brainer. No doubt it was a difficult decision – for Obama. This speaks to Obama’s competence.

5. No President except Obama would brag about making a decision which was a no-brainer. This speaks to Obama’s character.

Basilsbest on May 3, 2012 at 7:57 PM

“How much celebrating qualifies as “excessive”?”

Hasn’t Hollywood started on the movie yet…?

/

Seven Percent Solution on May 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I feel sort of sorry for Barry Obambo, I know that in Vietnam they trusted him with a 2 million dollar chopper but when he got back here to the world he couldn’t even keep a job at a car wash…..

if only Brian Dennehy had just let Barry Obambo keep walkin’….

harlekwin15 on May 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

INC on May 3, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Yah that.

But you missed the worst one. He gave a shout out to himself in Afghanistan.

Steveangell on May 3, 2012 at 7:58 PM

It’s still the economy and hopefully the people are not so stupid, but this is sweet.

Oz needs to be mocked and sent out of town.

Schadenfreude on May 3, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Hopefully Odopo’s gilt is flaking off and more and more people won’t like what is underneath.

arnold ziffel on May 3, 2012 at 7:59 PM

I would caution any commissioned SEALs to zip it. Article 88 of the UCMJ has teeth.

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

There are better ways than cutting campaign ads and getting involved in partisan politics. Save it for after you retire, fellas.

OhioCoastie on May 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Not helping with the optics that Obama’s big sacrifice was being pulled off a golf game to take part in that famous photo of his.

Ukiah on May 3, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Aren’t those communities voting Romney anyway?

You’d be surprised but the military does not vote overwhelmingly Republican. Officer tend to skew right, ratings tend to skew left.

CorporatePiggy on May 3, 2012 at 8:01 PM

So the genius in the WH has ticked off the CIA, Secret Service, and Navy SEALs—smart move.

Really loved that powerful ad by Vets for Strong America.

bailey24 on May 3, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Put on boots?

KOOLAID2 on May 3, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Puss in Boots?

/likely

Key West Reader on May 3, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Veterans for a Strong America plans to gather Navy SEALs and Special Forces operators to criticize the White House during the 2012 campaign.

Paging Jesse Ventura??

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 3, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Now all his sheep have to attack them too, of course.

B Man on May 3, 2012 at 8:03 PM

John Kerry was “Swiftboated”. Funny that he never was able to refute, defend himself. Yet the media shills had no trouble with untruths about Bush.
This has been a sweet sweet last few weeks. Everything keeps blowing up in baby Chicago jesus’ face.

arnold ziffel on May 3, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Sour grapes.
 
Uppereastside on April 30, 2012 at 11:02 PM

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Arends denies he’s trying to “swift boat” Obama, however, a phrase coined in the conservative attacks on the details of John Kerry’s service in Vietnam.

Swift boating = telling the truth, and Kerry had a fit that would dare to do such a thing.

pookysgirl on May 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

The GOP is breathtaking it its hypocrisy. When Bush ran, it was all about his heroism and the decisive commander in chief blah blah even though he ran the worst run war in history. Now they are claiming Obama can’t brag about killing Bin Laden. By the way, does Rove think they can win this election by replayng 2004 campaign? Which was damn close, if I recall.

promachus on May 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Okay–(looks around, checking the hidey places) ddrintn is not here. I feel safe to comment.

Love the ad..want more. I hope the servicemen are inactive or retired. This governmnent could make trouble for them.

bluealice on May 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM

I just donated to them.

rubberneck on May 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM

My guess is, you won’t be hearing as much about the Bin Laden raid from here on out from Obama’s campaign.

They severely overplayed their hand, and I’m sure there’s a musc stronger “Swift boat” type campaign being developed behind the scenes the next time Obama tries to politicize this.

BradTank on May 3, 2012 at 8:10 PM

promachus on May 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Just don’t get it, do you?

You do remember that Obama said there would be no spiking of the ball. His words.

And what has he done?

But, forget it…just another Obamatron, a contented prole.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM

promachus on May 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Bush didn’t capitalize on the war. He did reap large amounts of national goodwill by making the post-9/11 years about love of country and military (and pointedly not about himself) and in 2004 the war was not the terrible mire it is today.

KingGold on May 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM

O’bama needs to be Swiftboated.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM

They’ll never get a word out of active duty Navy Seals. They are forbidden from commenting, and these warriors follow orders.

They don’t flap their gums like Obama, trying to score points with the public. That’s how real heroes behave. They just do their job and do it well.

fogw on May 3, 2012 at 8:12 PM

he GOP is breathtaking it its hypocrisy. When Bush ran, it was all about his heroism and the decisive commander in chief blah blah even though he ran the worst run war in history. Now they are claiming Obama can’t brag about killing Bin Laden. By the way, does Rove think they can win this election by replayng 2004 campaign? Which was damn close, if I recall.

Teresa Heinz-Kerri on May 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 8:12 PM

I am a sucker for the red, white and blue. I love flag waving, and I love our military. God bless our heroes.

And Obama needs to go.

jazzuscounty on May 3, 2012 at 8:13 PM

I bet they’d love a rematch in which they get to point out that the mastermind of 9/11 took a bullet in the face on their guy’s command

Wait!! I thought Khalid Sheik Mohammed (who will face justice at long last, despite O’s endless foot-dragging) was the “mastermind of 9/11″.

Osama was the financier, “spiritual” inspiration, yadda yadda….

Buy Danish on May 3, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Rest assured that Axelrod and company are recruiting pro-Obama vets even as I write this

Vets like Murtha ?
Blumenthal ?
Kerry ( who is meeting with Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt currently)?
BTW, isn’t Jane Fonda a vet too ?

burrata on May 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Vets like Murtha ?
burrata on May 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Murtha’s dead.

Buy Danish on May 3, 2012 at 8:20 PM

AP, you do realize it’s possible to attack on multiple fronts?

commodore on May 3, 2012 at 8:20 PM

The Clinton add, approved by Obama, explaining how politically awful it would have been for President Rambo if the mission failed and SEALs were killed and/or captured — hence the “gutsy” decision — may have been the last straw.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Obama and team have made a deadly mistake here. You piss off the Seals, you’re pissing off guys who not only are physically superior and highly skilled operators, but guys who are intellectually and psychologically superior as well. If they have had enough, and it sounds like they have, their efforts to go after Obama will make what the Swift Boat heroes did to Kerry look like a summer dance on the gazebo.

These heroes eat guys like Axelrod and Obama for breakfast, every single day of their lives. And, they are patriots first and foremost, and not political but if you’re taking down the country, they are not about to sit by, on their hands. Thank God for them.

TXUS on May 3, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Wait!! I thought Khalid Sheik Mohammed (who will face justice at long last, despite O’s endless foot-dragging) was the “mastermind of 9/11″.

Buy Danish on May 3, 2012 at 8:14 PM

That’s right. The Administration’s been falling all over themselves to right KSM’s Ensure Injustice and make sure he stands trial so he can tell everyone what terrible things Jose Rodriguez did to him.

It’s not as if we really needed the Library Tower in Los Angeles, after all.

KingGold on May 3, 2012 at 8:20 PM

under Republicans we got hit on 9/11 and then invaded a country w/ no WMD’s.

Obama killed Bin Laden and got us out of Iraq.

by all means GOP let’s fight it out on national security!

DBear on May 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

The GOP is breathtaking it its hypocrisy. When Bush ran, it was all about his heroism and the decisive commander in chief blah blah even though he ran the worst run war in history.

IIRC, I don’t remember Bush (now or then, really) having *any* sort of “victory lap” when Saddam was pulled out of the ground like a rotten Rutabaga by SF troopers.

And, while we could probably quibble for days about the prepared factor in the aftermath of the Iraqi invasion, you cannot argue that the end results of a nation that has a chance to decide it’s own fate sans interference from the majority of the outside world.

But hey, having a chance of not having your daughters raped and your sons drafted as conscripts for a homicidal nutjob that had access to WMD and was actively seeking more sophisticated models from OTHER nutjobs regimes…you’re right, we should have just left sleeping mad dogs lie.

Now they are claiming Obama can’t brag about killing Bin Laden.

No one is trying to deny him some credit and as President, he *does* deserve some…but again, IIRC, President Bush had a EO which was a “standing order to get his butt” that was never rescinded…again going from memory here.

Even if that’s not the case, there was very little that President Obama could do but allow the op take place (he could have turned it down also, but i think he waffled enough that it was taken out of play)…and as such he’ll reap some of the credit, but cmon, you don’t think he’s just playing it up a mite much? Especially with the campaign ads making it sound like *he* was in office in 2001?

By the way, does Rove think they can win this election by replayng 2004 campaign? Which was damn close, if I recall.

promachus on May 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Close, and yet President Bush won a 2nd term. Go figure….and, he did it without campaigning al la President Obama.

BlaxPac on May 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Not happy about dragging the seals into politics.

This could go both ways, either damaging to Obama or the public perceiving this as sour grapes.

celticdefender on May 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I wonder where these dishonorable idiots were when Bush was displaying the Mission Accomplished Banner.

Uppereastside on May 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

The president’s narcissism isn’t lost on the American people,

Why do you keep saying that in the face of poll after poll after poll that finds Obama does strongest when the issue is personal likability. Is your argument that narcissism is likable? The reality is that outside of the conservative movement very few Americans have bought the “he has a huge ego” argument. This attack ad will only speak to those voters who already don’t like the president on a personal basis. If its “who has a bigger ego” was Mitt Romney really the person to put up against him. Conservatives are letting the ODS go to their heads at their own peril.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Murtha’s dead.

Buy Danish on May 3, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Obama has many dead voters,
he can use a few dead ” vets” too ,
for women’s health you know :O

burrata on May 3, 2012 at 8:24 PM

I wonder where these dishonorable idiots were when Bush was displaying the Mission Accomplished Banner.

Uppereastside on May 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Its OK to celebrate a foreign policy victory before it happens, its just egotistical if you wait until after you’ve accomplished something. Duh.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:24 PM

IIRC, I don’t remember Bush (now or then, really) having *any* sort of “victory lap” when Saddam was pulled out of the ground like a rotten Rutabaga by SF troopers.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner? Really, you don’t recall that? Where you high all of the 2000s?

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

The GOP is breathtaking it its hypocrisy. When Bush ran, it was all about his heroism and the decisive commander in chief… Now they are claiming Obama can’t brag about killing Bin Laden.
 
promachus on May 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

 

“I’ve had enough of using terrorism as a wedge issue in our politics. (The War on Terror) isn’t supposed to crop up between September and November of even-numbered years.”
 
- President Barack H. Obama, 2006

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

O’bama needs to be Swiftboated.

Del Dolemonte on May 3, 2012 at 8:11 PM

I object !!!
Obamas need to be Swiftyachted .
These 2 are not cheap , they are used to a certain lifestyle !

burrata on May 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

How much celebrating qualifies as “excessive”?

..this much does.

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

I wonder where these dishonorable idiots were when Bush was displaying the Mission Accomplished Banner.
 
Uppereastside on May 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

 
Its OK to celebrate a foreign policy victory before it happens, its just egotistical if you wait until after you’ve accomplished something. Duh.
 
libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:24 PM

 
Out of curiosity, have either of you ever googled for info on that banner and the ship out of, well, curiosity?

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

under Republicans we got hit on 9/11 and then invaded a country w/ no WMD’s.

Obama killed Bin Laden and got us out of Iraq.

by all means GOP let’s fight it out on national security!

DBear on May 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

You are drunk on koolaid. Listen to you– “Obama killed Bin Laden” and the rest of your rant is full of fallacies.

jazzuscounty on May 3, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Out of curiosity, have either of you ever googled for info on that banner and the ship out of, well, curiosity?

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Yup, its a total and complete coincidence that the President chose to speak on a ship who had a banner celebrating a different mission. 100% random. I mean, its not like the President of the United States has a team of highly paid media strategists who plan the staging of every single media appearance. Nope, it just all happened by chance. I mean, that’s the ethos that defines the American Presidency, “put him somewhere, maybe it’ll look good, but who knows!”

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

under Republicans we got hit on 9/11 and then invaded a country w/ no WMD’s.

Obama killed Bin Laden and got us out of Iraq.

by all means GOP let’s fight it out on national security!

DBear on May 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

And under Bill Clinton, a democrat President, how many opportunities did he have to take out BinLaden?

JPeterman on May 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Out of curiosity, have either of you ever googled for info on that banner and the ship out of, well, curiosity?

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Ha! Google? Who needs it? We get our talking points directly from the Ministry of Truth.

Buy Danish on May 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I’d love to see just one of our sissy trolls look a Navy Seal in the face and say “how ya like the way Obama killed OBL?”

Can you say jaw reconstruction?

fogw on May 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Yup, its a total and complete coincidence that the President chose to speak on a ship who had a banner celebrating a different mission. 100% random. I mean, its not like the President of the United States has a team of highly paid media strategists who plan the staging of every single media appearance. Nope, it just all happened by chance. I mean, that’s the ethos that defines the American Presidency, “put him somewhere, maybe it’ll look good, but who knows!”

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Let’s say I agree. Funny though, you would make a Chinese acrobat look like Larry the Cable Guy in your contortions to defend everything liberal.

arnold ziffel on May 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Have at it. Something needs to stop this guy.

paul1149 on May 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner? Really, you don’t recall that? Where you high all of the 2000s?

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

the Bush years never happened according to many on this site. if you didn’t know you’d think Obama ran up the debt for no reason because the economy was humming along!

DBear on May 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

under Republicans we got hit on 9/11 and then invaded a country w/ no WMD’s.

Actually, if you wanna get technical about it, the WTC was hit 8 years *prior* (Feb 1993).

Six people died. President Clinton was…President.

Ironically enough: the same President, who if took custody of OBL during his 8 years in office, or even allowed for him to be..ahem…removed from this Time Line, he may have prevented the 2001 attack.

Go figure.

Obama killed Bin Laden and got us out of Iraq.

Yes, after “thinking on it” for about 16 hours, and golly deciding that maybe someone that sponsored the killing of over 3000 of our fellow countrymen, then maybe he *does* deserve two in the hat after all!

by all means GOP let’s fight it out on national security!

DBear on May 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Fights already over DBear…I don’t think you can count *these* Dems as Stalwarts of the Republic.

BlaxPac on May 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

And under Bill Clinton, a democrat President, how many opportunities did he have to take out BinLaden?

JPeterman on May 3, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Perhaps you may want to encourage Sketch to run against Bill Clinton then..

Uppereastside on May 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Someone help me here. Did Bush land on a carrier displaying a “Mission Accomplished” banner twice, or just once? I only remember once, as it was returning to its home port shortly after Saddam’s regime was toppled.

Did I miss the second time, when he landed on a carrier again a year later to celebrate the one year anniversary of the toppling of Saddam’s regime?

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

They’ll never get a word out of active duty Navy Seals. They are forbidden from commenting, and these warriors follow orders.

They don’t flap their gums like Obama, trying to score points with the public. That’s how real heroes behave. They just do their job and do it well.

fogw on May 3, 2012 at 8:12 PM

actually a serving seal team member did talk about this already

A serving SEAL Team member said: ‘Obama wasn’t in the field, at risk, carrying a gun. As president, at every turn he should be thanking the guys who put their lives on the line to do this. He does so in his official speeches because he speechwriters are smart.

‘But the more he tries to take the credit for it, the more the ground operators are saying, “Come on, man!” It really didn’t matter who was president. At the end of the day, they were going to go.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137636/Osama-bin-Laden-death-SEALs-slam-Obama-using-ammunition-bid-credit.html#ixzz1trB96IcM

I have no doubt that the majority of seals strongly dislike this president and would speak out more if they could..i hope they get Marcus Luttrel to do an ad a long with Chris Kyle..2 of the most harcore seals ever to servce

sadsushi on May 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

It’s not just because he’s “spiking the football.” If this was an isolated incident, I think people would be bit more uncomfortable with denying Obama his glory moment. But it’s also because of the arrogance he’s projected throughout his presidency and because of the disdain he’s shown for the people who helped make his football-spiking moment possible. It’s the way he’s used the military for his photo ops while having no qualms about threatening to withhold their pay during the budget standoff with Congress. It’s the way his administration tried to play down the awfulness of terrorism by referring to acts of terrorism as “man-caused disasters.” It’s the way his attorney general considered prosecuting members of the intelligence community involved in Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. It’s the way his attorney general wanted to hold the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in NYC–despite the tremendous risk to the citizens there and the absolute folly anything but a military trial would have been.

I’m probably leaving out some things. But the bottom line is–good or bad, right or wrong, people can only take so much hypocritical showboating. His own actions and attitude have limited how much “celebrating” people are willing to tolerate without feeling the need to point out that his role in the victory pretty much boiled down to approving of what others had already put in place–and would have taken the brunt of the blame for in the event of a failure–and what still others risked their lives to accomplish.

butterflies and puppies on May 3, 2012 at 8:40 PM

And needless to say, the optics of SEALs criticizing O for making the OBL raid all about him are … not so good for the White House.

Sorry. You guys can screech “O-bot!!!!!” all you want, but the military should never. Ever. Ever. become involved in domestic politics, either for Obama or against him; either for or against Bush or Clinton or whoever.

ddrintn on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Let’s say I agree.

I knew you were a wise one.

Funny though, you would make a Chinese acrobat look like Larry the Cable Guy in your contortions to defend everything liberal.

arnold ziffel on May 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

How is this an insult? Chinese acrobats are incredible at what they do. And I do pride myself on having ideas that are not easily boxed into corner, that move, flow and bend, that (dare I say it) dance on the wind (OK that was too far, but you do realize half of my project here is to amuse myself). So thank you!

the Bush years never happened according to many on this site.

Another tragic symptom of ODS….

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I mean, that’s the ethos that defines the American Presidency, “put him somewhere, maybe it’ll look good, but who knows!”

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

So that’s why Hussein had this photo-op ?
or this one
or this one ?
or maybe this one ?

burrata on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

What exactly is the GOP line on Obama’s football-spiking? I heard people say 100 times this week that O has the right to celebrate the OBL raid for electoral purposes but that he shouldn’t have dragged Romney into it by drawing a contrast in the ad. VSA seems to be saying that it’s the celebration itself that’s the problem. How much celebrating qualifies as “excessive”?

I don’t think that is the point. In the ad, Clinton made the point that if the Seals had been captured or killed..it would have been bad for Obama… Well hell, what about them? It as if they exist only for his benefit..

And why is it an either or kind of thing? It would seem to me that they could go after Obama on his narcissistic self aggrandizing and still talk about the crappy economy. They are not mutually exclusive.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

BTW, it’s good to see everybody. We’ve missed you all on the “Retail Sales Slow”, “Fundraising Transparency”, and “Chen” threads.

rogerb on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

ddrintn on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Jesus, there have been a lot of people revealing themselves as intellectually honest and consistent on this site of late and its throwing me way off.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

the Bush years never happened according to many on this site.

Bush is a better man and a better president than the present occupant of the White House..that is for sure.

Terrye on May 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Why haven’t I seen a photoshop yet of little Bammie standing in front of President George W. Bush’s Mission Accomplished sign?

slickwillie2001 on May 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

The Clinton add, approved by Obama, explaining how politically awful it would have been for President Rambo if the mission failed and SEALs were killed and/or captured — hence the “gutsy” decision — may have been the last straw.

Sociopaths slip up sometimes and unintentionally reveal themselves. It seems Clinton and Obama are birds of a feather.

farsighted on May 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I think this part of the ad is devastating and needs to be repeated over and over. SEALS getting killed and it’s horrible for Obama? This wasn’t a slip of the tongue, they edited this video and purposely had this in there. The height of narcissism.

PatMac on May 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I have no doubt that the majority of seals strongly dislike this president and would speak out more if they could..i hope they get Marcus Luttrel to do an ad a long with Chris Kyle..2 of the most harcore seals ever to servce

sadsushi on May 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Remember how conservatives reacted when a number of retired generals came out of the woodwork to criticize Donald Rumsfield and the President. It was so cute how supportive you were of their service and of their expertise. It was an amazing act of de-politicized patriotism and it taught me a lot. Huh? What was that? No such thing happened and conservatives screeched like harpies in their zeal to vilify those retired generals? Well then, my mistake.

libfreeordie on May 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM

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