Go west, young man, go west! …Unless you’re into being successful

posted at 2:41 pm on May 3, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

I seem to recall, not too long ago, California Governor Jerry Brown saying that his state’s policies were about “California leading the country,” which, in turn, could serve as a model for “America potentially leading the world.” Yet again, Gov. Brown has provided an all-too-apt example of how these United States could indeed lead the world: by doing the precise opposite of whatever it is California is doing.

It’s a darn good thing California has all of those beautiful vistas and fantastic recreation to recommend itself, ’cause it doesn’t seem to have much else going for it. In an annual survey, business executives have ranked California as the absolute worst state in the country for doing business for the eighth year in a row:

The survey considered responses from 650 business leaders, who graded states on factors such as taxes, regulations, living environment and more. …

California narrowly edged out New York in what the survey called “the ninth circle of business hell,” sharing the bottom five spots with Illinois, Massachusetts and Michigan. …

Its 10.9% unemployment rate is only lower than Nevada’s and Rhode Island’s. A third of U.S. welfare recipients live in California, the report noted. High state taxes and bundles of red tape make operating a business in the state unaffordable to many companies, critics say.

Last year, 254 California companies moved some or all of their work and jobs elsewhere — 26% more than 2010. Most chief executives in Silicon Valley said they won’t expand in the state, according to the survey.

Once the Golden State of opportunity, businesses and residents have more recently been fleeing California’s legislation-happy climes in droves. More than 1.5 million jumped ship between 2001 and 2009, instead moving to more business-friendly locales like the survey’s number-one state, Texas (where unemployment currently sits below the national average — don’t mess).

Try as they might, what with their well-touted forays into subsidized green energy, spectacular feats of nanny-statism and the like, California remains an example of the havoc that ideological mismanagement and over-regulation can wreak on a regional economy. While their heavily left-leaning policies might be able to eke out an existence while dragging down the rest of the nation, their habits aren’t sustainable in the long term, and they’ve got the debt and deficit woes to prove it.

This is exactly why federalism is so brilliant — and why we should cut down on the federal bureaucracy and make better use of it.


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That 95% markup is worth it for me not to have to stick my hands down a toilet.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Lol.. my hands did not, and will not be stuck down the toilet!!

Plumbers make a killing!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Speaking of dumb California legislation/regulation, how about those water-saving toilets Cal made all the contractors install in the ’90′s???? Everyone had to flush twice to get the #2 down. Now that’s what I call “progressive”!

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

(there is a metal ring bolted to the wonderboard that comprises the deck the trap flange goes through, that’s the piece that has the bolts to secure the toilet to the floor, if you screw that plate up, then the whole deck has to come out and be replaced)

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

thanks… yes, the pedestal is OK. It’s the used toilet in excellent shape except that chip…

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Plumbers make a killing!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

They do. And good for them.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Everyone had to flush twice to get the #2 down. Now that’s what I call “progressive”!

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

All that does is clog up your lines if you don’t flush twice, and make you have to call the plumber to snake them out.

Anyone who doesn’t flush twice with a low-flow toilet is building a really crappy situation for themselves.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

cozmo, who bought his first rental property at 18 and was too broke to have others do the work. Hired plumbers and electricians and HVAC guys under the condition that I was the helper…and I learned.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Oh… One of those guys eh… ;p

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM

I don’t know how high the water gets, as it negotiates the trap.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:58 PM

There is no trap under the toilet. The trap for a toilet is part of the toilet.

The wax seal fills all the space between the toilet and closet flange. Should be no leak even with the chip. But fixing it will give you piece of mind and confidence to tackle other projects.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM

There is no trap under the toilet. The trap for a toilet is part of the toilet.

The wax seal fills all the space between the toilet and closet flange. Should be no leak even with the chip. But fixing it will give you piece of mind and confidence to tackle other projects.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM

so… (out the door) – does the water ever come up to the wax ring? If not then I don’t have to fix the chip. If it does, then it will leak.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Speaking of dumb California legislation/regulation, how about those water-saving toilets Cal made all the contractors install in the ’90′s???? Everyone had to flush twice to get the #2 down. Now that’s what I call “progressive”!

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

ROTFLMAO… That was mostly San Fransicko… And now they are paying for their imbecilic folly by having to replace hundreds of miles of city main waste lines because the original waste lines were set at 7 degree slope, consistent with a 5 gallon flush requirement to move the waste down the line, and now the lines are all terminally clogged.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

The problem is that the chip will contact the inside of the wax ring where actually there is no wax – just a rubber ring – exactly like the inside of a wheel bearing seal on a brake rotor. Wax won’t fill it. If the water doesn’t get that high, then I’ll forget it. If it does – then I’ll have water all over the floor.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

This man speaks the truth. You cannot go anywhere here without Hispanic culture being forcibly shoved down your throat. Sure, there’s still some upper-income areas that are relatively safe(Walnut Creek, Danville, parts of the silicon valley), and of course the backwoods parts(CA is a big state) but the majority of the Urban areas might as well be called Tijuana. Worst example: Stockton

This is just the Bay Area too, I don’t even wanna comment on the LA area. What’s sad is, as bad as these news articles sound to people outside the state, I promise you It’s WORSE.

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I lived in San Ramon for 17 years, all I can tell you is that entire corridor is not what it used to be, mildly speaking. Our front door was never locked in years past, our children were playing outside all day long without any worry of crime. Walnut Creek is hit and miss these days. Same for Danville and San Ramon, although they are still better than Walnut Creek. But then you have Antioch, Concord and Martinez, and this is on the supposed “conservative” side of the county, and the news are bad. Concord is Mexico North, no other way to call it. Antioch is gang land and Martinez is somewhere in the middle.

The only good news about this is that we ate best Mexican food in USA, bar none. That’s about it.

I agree with you that media reporting is way off base, the state hosts millions more illegals from South America than reported. Any emergency room, 24 hours a day, is filled with tens of illegals at any given time, its not even funny by now. As you said, trash all over the place, noise at all hours of day, day and night.

We left this communist paradise 3+ months ago and every visit since then only confirms our decision.

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM

The timing of this couldn’t be more perfect. My wife and I are discussing whether to move out of the state. For those that have, please tell me whether you are glad you did, why you left, and what is keeping you in the new location. There are so many variables coming into play, we’re completely undecided!!!

ImageSniper on May 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Plumbers make a killing!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

And many aren’t worth a crapper. Last two times I hired a plumber I had to get them gone so the inspector could watch me do it right.

so… (out the door) – does the water ever come up to the wax ring? If not then I don’t have to fix the chip. If it does, then it will leak.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:07 PM

So many ifs in that question. If you have a backup, the toilet and tub are the lowest openings for water to back up. If the wax ring does its job, then no leak.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

OK, I just learned something – and you’re right – the trap is part of the toilet. So, unless my septic line backs up, then really that chip shouldn’t matter – except it will technically let gases from the septic tank creep up. I think I’ll patch it, just to prevent that. (The trap normally prevents that, I think, if there’s a good seal between the toilet and the inside of the wax ring.)

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

So many ifs in that question. If you have a backup, the toilet and tub are the lowest openings for water to back up. If the wax ring does its job, then no leak.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Cajun house is way up in the air. Backup unlikely :-)

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Poor little right wing lunatic. He’s upset that he’s the last of the wingnuts left in his state. Maybe you can move to Utah and join your kind over there.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 3:59 PM

If the mess this state is in is a win, I’ll take a loss. California is swirling the drain, bankrupt and hopeless. Businesses are fleeing, the infrastructure is crumbling, the Unions run the politicians, and they are rubbing their hands with the anticipation of hiking property taxes to well beyond the ability of citizens on fixed incomes to pay. They are attempting to herd all but the wealthy Hollywood libs into high density housing so they can leave the rest of the state to Mother Gaia.

When that happens, I am out of here. I will hate to leave my home and the property on which I raised my kids, but I have reached the end of my rope. The Progressive dream in California is a nightmare for ordinary middle class people. If you want to see how your dream plays out, angryed, come on in. You’ll get a real eye-opening experience.

hachiban on May 3, 2012 at 5:12 PM

There is no trap under the toilet. The trap for a toilet is part of the toilet.

The wax seal fills all the space between the toilet and closet flange. Should be no leak even with the chip. But fixing it will give you piece of mind and confidence to tackle other projects.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Oh… Hold on there Hoss… I guarantee you their is a trap under the toilet. There is a trap in the toilet itself, and a second trap between 10 and 14 inches below the floor level. That second trap is a vent line trap, without it your toilet will not flush.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Off to the hardware store!

Now the rest of you can discuss how to fix California :-)

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:13 PM

just looked under the house. Two feet below the floor is a second trap….

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM

The problem is that the chip will contact the inside of the wax ring where actually there is no wax – just a rubber ring – exactly like the inside of a wheel bearing seal on a brake rotor. Wax won’t fill it. If the water doesn’t get that high, then I’ll forget it. If it does – then I’ll have water all over the floor.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

As the toilet is tightened, the rubber inner ring is pressed down and the wax makes the seal.

The rubber part is there because many people don’t read directions and put drain cleaner down the toilet. Drain cleaner dissolves wax like gasoline dissolves Styrofoam.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Oh… Hold on there Hoss…
SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Tryin’ not to confuse the guy.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM

As the toilet is tightened, the rubber inner ring is pressed down and the wax makes the seal.

The rubber part is there because many people don’t read directions and put drain cleaner down the toilet. Drain cleaner dissolves wax like gasoline dissolves Styrofoam.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM

EUREKA!!!

Ding, ding, ding.

Of course, as the wax is compressed, it will seal. As long as the toilet is cinched down tight enough, yep, it should smash down and prevent any leakage!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Tryin’ not to confuse the guy.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Ah… gotcha…

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Now the rest of you can discuss how to fix California :-)

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:13 PM

They are rapidly approaching $1 TRILLION in debt and obligations (union pensions and such), at this point there is nothing that can be done to “save” the state save for defaulting on union contracts and pensions and starting from scratch (with someone who has a brain to guide them along). Their yearly deficits, as big as they are, are just a small part of the problem.

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM

ROTFLMAO… That was mostly San Fransicko… And now they are paying for their imbecilic folly by having to replace hundreds of miles of city main waste lines because the original waste lines were set at 7 degree slope, consistent with a 5 gallon flush requirement to move the waste down the line, and now the lines are all terminally clogged.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Sounds certainly like a liberal’s mind. I’m a retired flooring contractor from right here in NorCal, (R&Red my share of toilets), and belive me, it was a statewide issue. Although the original “stupid idea” most likely did come from Peeeeelosi-ville.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Of course, as the wax is compressed, it will seal. As long as the toilet is cinched down tight enough, yep, it should smash down and prevent any leakage!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Unless one or more of your old college football buddies come by for the game, get drunk and knock the toilet off the closet flange, yea, that ought to do it… ;P

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:18 PM

As long as the wax is nice and thick, i don’t think I need to repair the chip.

The old one is too deteriorated to tell what a new one would look like. I’ll go to the store and see. if it’s beefy, then problem solved. If it’s skinny and made in China, then fix the chip.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Unless one or more of your old college football buddies come by for the game, get drunk and knock the toilet off the closet flange, yea, that ought to do it… ;P

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:18 PM

When they get that drunk I hand ‘em a shovel and roll of paper and point to the pasture.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

. . . like the survey’s number-one state, Texas (where unemployment currently sits below the national average — don’t mess)

Texans aren’t bad people, but the heat there is horrible–talk about the seven circles of hell. I grew up in Dallas (and was able to dodge the huge influx of nancy boys, thankfully), but left as soon as I obtained my bachelors degree. Haven’t looked back.

You want Texas? You can have it. And say hi to all the nancy boys for me. *snort*

MisterElephant on May 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Sounds certainly like a liberal’s mind. I’m a retired flooring contractor from right here in NorCal, (R&Red my share of toilets), and belive me, it was a statewide issue. Although the original “stupid idea” most likely did come from Peeeeelosi-ville.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Well, it was suppose to be statewide, but down here in San Diego county, we just gave Sacramento the finger and did pretty much whatever we wanted to. Which was basically to ignore that idiotic BS.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Now see, we can yell at each other all we want, but when we combine to discuss a real-world problem, we get to the point!

Long live Hot Air –

THANKS GUYS!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM

As the toilet is tightened, the rubber inner ring is pressed down and the wax makes the seal.

The rubber part is there because many people don’t read directions and put drain cleaner down the toilet. Drain cleaner dissolves wax like gasoline dissolves Styrofoam.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM

EUREKA!!!

Ding, ding, ding.

Of course, as the wax is compressed, it will seal. As long as the toilet is cinched down tight enough, yep, it should smash down and prevent any leakage!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM

DO NOT OVER-TIGHTEN THE TWO OUTSIDE NUTS! THEY ARE MADE TO JUST BE SNUG. OVER TIGHTEN AND YOU WILL SNAP THE OUTSIDE FLANGE.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM

As long as the wax is nice and thick, i don’t think I need to repair the chip.

The old one is too deteriorated to tell what a new one would look like. I’ll go to the store and see. if it’s beefy, then problem solved. If it’s skinny and made in China, then fix the chip.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:19 PM

ROTFLMAO… Those wax rings are one size fit’s all… They are about 2 inches thick before you compress them.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM

DO NOT OVER-TIGHTEN THE TWO OUTSIDE NUTS! THEY ARE MADE TO JUST BE SNUG. OVER TIGHTEN AND YOU WILL SNAP THE OUTSIDE FLANGE.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Yup, and then you will need a plumber to replace the closet flange.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Well, it was suppose to be statewide, but down here in San Diego county, we just gave Sacramento the finger and did pretty much whatever we wanted to. Which was basically to ignore that idiotic BS.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Good for you smart folks in SD. We did the same way up north, just ignored them and imported/black marketed toilets from out of state. The problem, (for a while), was the state inspectors wouldn’t pass final inspection in new construction to allow the owner/real estate to sell.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:29 PM

The problem, (for a while), was the state inspectors wouldn’t pass final inspection in new construction to allow the owner/real estate to sell.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:29 PM

The contractors down here got around that by selling the homeowner the toilet they wanted, and then using a low flow to pass inspection and swapping them out after the inspection. As far as the retrofitting, I’m pretty sure everybody laughed it off and then ignored it.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Go west, young man, go west! …Unless you’re into being successful

Hey Erika, good post. Sorry for the O/T/T topic…….you might have to change the title to “Go South, young man”……:)

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM

As we speak, 3 ICE agents shot in Petaluma…

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Hey Erika, good post. Sorry for the O/T/T topic…….you might have to change the title to “Go South, young man”……:)

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 5:36 PM

You’re right – that was a very good and interesting post. However, the toilet repair both fit in so well, and illustrated the difference between leftists and conservatives.

The moment I saw angryed ask “Is this what a NASCAR rally sounds like?” I thought to myself: He probably never fixes anything himself. He calls one of those evil private small business owners and has him/her do all the dirty work, grumbles about the cost, complains that they should pay more taxes and never learns a useful thing in his miserable, bitter life.

Then comes on here and makes fun of all of us (or tries to).

Thanks, angryed, for the reminder of the bedrock differences. :)

shibumiglass on May 3, 2012 at 5:57 PM

As a current resident, I can attest to the dismal state my beautiful state is falling to. I was born here, grew up here, and it’s so sad. If my company had an office somewhere else I would probably move.
Not to mention being a conservative in CA is like being on a different planet.

RadioAngel on May 3, 2012 at 6:15 PM

For all of those who wish to flame Ca. You might want to make sure you are you are not from a federal welfare state. Ca only gets back about 78 cents for every dollar we send to Washington. How does your state rate?
http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/
uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I suppose that depends on whether you have military bases in your state. We have the largest ALC in the world, the largest Artillery base in the world, the main bomb depot, and we sell the Feds a very large amount of petroleum products. Subtract out the bases and we give more than we get. Of course if you want these organizations, feel free!

Old Country Boy on May 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Old Country Boy on May 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM

I get Fort Sill, but ALC? And bomb depot?

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 6:30 PM

TEXAS!

Kevin M on May 3, 2012 at 6:37 PM

The timing of this couldn’t be more perfect. My wife and I are discussing whether to move out of the state. For those that have, please tell me whether you are glad you did, why you left, and what is keeping you in the new location. There are so many variables coming into play, we’re completely undecided!!!

ImageSniper on May 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM

In short:

1. Lack of assimilation.
2. Uncontrolled flow.
3. Every voter/taxpayer measure to attempt to impose control voted into law and then shot down by unelected progressive judges.

California
R.I.P.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Just poked my head up – back to work fixin’ stuff!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM

4. The ever-growing expenses attending to #3, the long-term effect of which is about to bankrupt the state.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 6:40 PM

For all of those who wish to flame Ca. You might want to make sure you are you are not from a federal welfare state. Ca only gets back about 78 cents for every dollar we send to Washington. How does your state rate?

http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Whomever gave you that link – you should slap. Hard.

That is one of the most egregious abuses of statistics I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been following Democrat lies for 10 years now. That comparison was soooo horrible. I’m only commenting on it because I don’t believe –

Wait. Do I have you confused with someone else? You’re not a leftist, are you? I’m asking sincerely. I’ve taken a hiatus from political news for 5 weeks, so I may be fuzzy….

I really have missed Hot Gas, though. :)

shibumiglass on May 3, 2012 at 6:49 PM

I lived in San Ramon for 17 years, all I can tell you is that entire corridor is not what it used to be, mildly speaking. Our front door was never locked in years past, our children were playing outside all day long without any worry of crime. Walnut Creek is hit and miss these days. Same for Danville and San Ramon, although they are still better than Walnut Creek. But then you have Antioch, Concord and Martinez, and this is on the supposed “conservative” side of the county, and the news are bad. Concord is Mexico North, no other way to call it. Antioch is gang land and Martinez is somewhere in the middle.

The only good news about this is that we ate best Mexican food in USA, bar none. That’s about it.

I agree with you that media reporting is way off base, the state hosts millions more illegals from South America than reported. Any emergency room, 24 hours a day, is filled with tens of illegals at any given time, its not even funny by now. As you said, trash all over the place, noise at all hours of day, day and night.

We left this communist paradise 3+ months ago and every visit since then only confirms our decision.

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Just wanted to respond to this and say I live right around the areas you mentioned. All of this 100% true and you definitely made the right choice.

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 6:57 PM

But at least we have our High Speed Rail Project!!
/sarc

Jon and Ken go nuts with it on KFI

OccamsRazor on May 3, 2012 at 8:14 PM

For all of those who wish to flame Ca. You might want to make sure you are you are not from a federal welfare state. Ca only gets back about 78 cents for every dollar we send to Washington. How does your state rate?
http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/
uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

I suppose that depends on whether you have military bases in your state. We have the largest ALC in the world, the largest Artillery base in the world, the main bomb depot, and we sell the Feds a very large amount of petroleum products. Subtract out the bases and we give more than we get. Of course if you want these organizations, feel free!

Old Country Boy on May 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM

The proggies love that crap study, and are going to be vomiting it up here for the next ten years. It’s crap for many reasons already discussed in these threads. A study showing only uncontributed-to entitlements like welfare, medicaid, etc, would be more meaningful. Tagging a state as a welfare state because lots of people choose to live there in retirement is just ignorant, but that’s who we deal with in proggieville.

slickwillie2001 on May 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Every time I come down the Cajon pass back from Vegas, I am reminded why I like living in California so much. The climate is very nice. Up and down the coast is so beautiful. I’ve played blackjack and bodysurfed on the same day many times.

newportmike on May 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM

ROTFLMAO… That was mostly San Fransicko… And now they are paying for their imbecilic folly by having to replace hundreds of miles of city main waste lines because the original waste lines were set at 7 degree slope, consistent with a 5 gallon flush requirement to move the waste down the line, and now the lines are all terminally clogged.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:08 PM

LOL — we really are “Greece” here! (For those who have been to the Peloponnese and experienced the joy of the Southern Greek toilet and sewage system.)

J.E. Dyer on May 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM

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