Go west, young man, go west! …Unless you’re into being successful

posted at 2:41 pm on May 3, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

I seem to recall, not too long ago, California Governor Jerry Brown saying that his state’s policies were about “California leading the country,” which, in turn, could serve as a model for “America potentially leading the world.” Yet again, Gov. Brown has provided an all-too-apt example of how these United States could indeed lead the world: by doing the precise opposite of whatever it is California is doing.

It’s a darn good thing California has all of those beautiful vistas and fantastic recreation to recommend itself, ’cause it doesn’t seem to have much else going for it. In an annual survey, business executives have ranked California as the absolute worst state in the country for doing business for the eighth year in a row:

The survey considered responses from 650 business leaders, who graded states on factors such as taxes, regulations, living environment and more. …

California narrowly edged out New York in what the survey called “the ninth circle of business hell,” sharing the bottom five spots with Illinois, Massachusetts and Michigan. …

Its 10.9% unemployment rate is only lower than Nevada’s and Rhode Island’s. A third of U.S. welfare recipients live in California, the report noted. High state taxes and bundles of red tape make operating a business in the state unaffordable to many companies, critics say.

Last year, 254 California companies moved some or all of their work and jobs elsewhere — 26% more than 2010. Most chief executives in Silicon Valley said they won’t expand in the state, according to the survey.

Once the Golden State of opportunity, businesses and residents have more recently been fleeing California’s legislation-happy climes in droves. More than 1.5 million jumped ship between 2001 and 2009, instead moving to more business-friendly locales like the survey’s number-one state, Texas (where unemployment currently sits below the national average — don’t mess).

Try as they might, what with their well-touted forays into subsidized green energy, spectacular feats of nanny-statism and the like, California remains an example of the havoc that ideological mismanagement and over-regulation can wreak on a regional economy. While their heavily left-leaning policies might be able to eke out an existence while dragging down the rest of the nation, their habits aren’t sustainable in the long term, and they’ve got the debt and deficit woes to prove it.

This is exactly why federalism is so brilliant — and why we should cut down on the federal bureaucracy and make better use of it.


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I smell a flame thread

Emotions run high because native Californians watched their state get washed away by a foreign invasion, while the federal governmnet stood by and let it happen.

Other Americans can’t/won’t understand it until it happens to them

And it’s happening right now. We are being overrun in south Louisiana with a wave of migrant Mexicans from other states.

Our #1 national security issue isn’t Afghanistan.

It’s the foreign invasion of America, and the complete;y failed country on our border.

Before this is done, we may end up having to invade northern Mexico and clearing it out.

Seriously.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 3:57 PM

It wasn’t even a damned foreign invasion, it was an invasion from other states in the Union. Yea, we have lot’s of illegal aliens here, but 90% of them don’t vote, they just work had and send half of their earning back to Mexico. And even they are leaving now…

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:01 PM

The really funny part is that Texas will be a deep blue state in 10-15 years. And all you wingnuts will be throwing a tantrum like you are now over California.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Amazingly the majority of liberals still can’t get around to blaming their party.

It must really bite to be so deceived that you refuse to allow truth to enter your brain when it is so transparent.

Hype and blame baby.

sdbatboy on May 3, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Another “Modest Proposal”

Herald of Woe on May 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM

I think that was Lex Luthor’s plan. Our fear is that, if executed, Calfornia, which is on a separate tectonic plate from the rest of the U.S. (which might explain a LOT), would float off like an island, while the Contiguous 47 (or 57) would sink to the bottom of the newly-expanded Atlantic, or as we’d probably call it, “The Nevada Sea.”

de rigueur on May 3, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Poor little right wing lunatic. He’s upset that he’s the last of the wingnuts left in his state. Maybe you can move to Utah and join your kind over there.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Poor little imbecile ed knows nothing about California, like for instance, NOBODY here want’s is dumb a$$ to move here.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

we have lot’s of illegal aliens here, but 90% of them don’t vote, they just work had and send half of their earning back to Mexico. And even they are leaving now…

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Silly wingnut. The kids of undocumented citizens do vote. And none of them vote for right wing loons. It’s over amigo. You lost. We won.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Poor little imbecile ed knows nothing about California, like for instance, NOBODY here want’s is dumb a$$ to move here.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

You’re beyond pathetic. But you’re a ean/Rush zombie so I knew that already.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Silly wingnut. The kids of undocumented citizens do vote. And none of them vote for right wing loons. It’s over amigo. You lost. We won.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Ed, please go see your doctor, it would appear your Cranial-Rectal Insertion disorder has taken a turn for the worse…

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:06 PM

It’s over amigo. You lost. We won.

You consider what’s going on in California, “winning?” That say a LOT about you.

JFKY on May 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Go to any retail store on the 1st of the month in Cali and business is booming. You see all the Mexicans carrying around their white envelopes filled with hundreds from the their welfare checks. I’m not joking.

Went to Save Mart the other day to grab some things. People in front of me (Hispanic of course) had two separate piles of groceries that they had to ring up separately. One for food, which they promptly payed for with their EBT card, the other was all Beer, Black and Mild cigars, and weird looking candy that obviously wasn’t covered by EBT. hey payed for that with a hundred.

Ever go to the Gym, or to a store on your day off during the middle of the day in Cali? They’re always packed because nobody works.

FML

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Nothrup just moved their headquarters to Falls Church Va due to the crap business environment there.

faol on May 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM

You’re beyond pathetic. But you’re a ean/Rush zombie so I knew that already.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:06 PM

And you’re a brain dead liberal pickle puffer… Big shock there…

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Silly wingnut. The kids of undocumented citizens do vote. And none of them vote for right wing loons. It’s over amigo. You lost. We won.
angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Who is “We” ?

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Use two wax rings cane, it pisses the environmentalist off.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Ed, please go see your doctor, it would appear your Cranial-Rectal Insertion disorder has taken a turn for the worse…

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:06 PM

..congrats, SW, you turned him into a slavering, fulminating drooler. “Gotcha a beer for that one, red team.” You ever hit OC and I’ll make good!

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Who is “We” ?

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Non-right wing paranoid RomneyAir types.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

For all of those who wish to flame Ca. You might want to make sure you are you are not from a federal welfare state. Ca only gets back about 78 cents for every dollar we send to Washington. How does your state rate?

http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Who is “We” ?

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Him and his fellow useful idiots. But their apparent “Win” is an illusion. When reality catches up to Ed and his friends, it’s really going to hurt.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

..congrats, SW, you turned him into a slavering, fulminating drooler. “Gotcha a beer for that one, red team.” You ever hit OC and I’ll make good!

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:09 PM

You’re overpaying him, it wasn’t that tough a job. Make him do a dance and tell a joke too. :-)

Oldnuke on May 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM

..if you could nuke SF and LA (leaving OC, where TWP lives), California would be the reddest state going.

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 2:45 PM

How do you figure? Save for Central Valley, there are no clearly defined GOP counties in the state. I personally saw a good number of liberals in Orange County, Santa Barbara, etc. Its the entire coastline that is liberal, some places are more so and some less, but they are still liberal in general. The only way to split the state is on the North-South axis and it would be interesting to see. As I was driving to NorCal and back 2 weekends ago I was asking myself a question: What happens when all the Central Valley farmers organize and do not sell their product to GULAG shops and distributors for a year or two? I would love to see it happen, but it seems farmers are so disorganized they in some way deserve what liberals are doing to them for the past few years.

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Ever go to the Gym, or to a store on your day off during the middle of the day in Cali? They’re always packed because nobody works.

FML

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Yea, we have lot’s of illegal aliens here, but 90% of them don’t vote, they just work had and send half of their earning back to Mexico. And even they are leaving now…

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:01 PM

So which is it wingnuts? Do those eeeeeeevil Messicans work hard or do they just work out all day long?

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Crappy reporting. AP…No surprise there.

Tomolena1 on May 3, 2012 at 3:58 PM

.
Did you not read this part:

“Capital One leaders have made the difficult business decision to close the Salinas site by the middle of 2013 as part of an overall plan that best meets the long-term goals of our company and serves the needs of our customers,” said company spokeswoman Tatiana Stead.

She would not elaborate on the reasons behind the bank’s decision.

.
I can guess but that’s not the same as having a concise statement from the company.
.
/not a fan of media…

ExpressoBold on May 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Him and his fellow useful idiots. But their apparent “Win” is an illusion. When reality catches up to Ed and his friends, it’s really going to hurt.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Yes we won. We don’t have to take you seriously anymore.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Riddick, you are correct, that is why there was a group who wanted to separate Ca into an east and west state.

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Won’t be any farmers soon, thanks to the congressional Dust Bowl, and EPA Nazi’s. Can’t feel too sorry for them though, they were all up to their ears in hired illegal workers.

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM

There are a lot of reasons for California’s decline, not least of which is the CA GOP, starting with their tacit acquiescence in State Representative Henry Waxman’s redistricting plan in the 1970s (yes, THAT Waxman), which insured every incumbent a virtual lock on his or her district (in the past several elections, not a single incumbent has been thrown out of office) and effectively ended voting as a means of effecting real change. Which also accounts for the plethora of propositions on every ballot, by which the voters still hope to accomplish so change, only to see them tossed out by the nearest federal circuit court. Except for a few secure Republican districts, CA GOP consistently nominates the least conservative candidate for office, only the most spectacular example of which was Gov. Ahnald. There’s a lot more to this state’s decline than an influx of illegals and liberals. Which certainly hasn’t helped.

de rigueur on May 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM

You’re overpaying him, it wasn’t that tough a job. Make him do a dance and tell a joke too. :-)

Oldnuke on May 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Doh…. I was just about to comment that it wasn’t really a very hard thing to do… (but hey, a beer’s a beer eh) ;)

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:16 PM

For all of those who wish to flame Ca. You might want to make sure you are you are not from a federal welfare state. Ca only gets back about 78 cents for every dollar we send to Washington. How does your state rate?

And yet many of those “welfare states” don’t face California’s looming Pension/Economic Crisis, brought on by Californians themselves. Thanx for the DC cash, but I see a train wreck heading your way, and it has nothing to do with my state and whether or not it pays more or less into the Federal “Kitty.”

JFKY on May 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM

what happens when an entire state goes bankrupt? Illinois or California will be the first to do it and it should happen pretty soon.

DanMan on May 3, 2012 at 2:49 PM

States cannot go, or rather, file for “bankruptcy”, only municipalities can. They can default on their obligations, though.

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 4:18 PM

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:14 PM

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2009/1211/California-sweep-targets-illegal-immigrants-with-criminal-records

Work out? No, They mostly just kill, rob, and rape people. After they send their tax free income back to Mexico.

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Yes we won. We don’t have to take you seriously anymore.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM

But what have you won imbecile? The Mexicans are returning to Mexico, and your fellow useful idiots are returning to where they came from after having decimated our economy. And when enough of you finally go back to where the hell you came from, those of us in California that stayed will simply pull our money back out of where we hid it and restart our economy again.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Yes we won. We don’t have to take you seriously anymore

You admit you don’t live there, how did you “win?” I think you need to keep your trolling personae score card/character reference sheet a little closer to the key board.

JFKY on May 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM

The only way to split the state is on the North-South axis and it would be interesting to see.
riddick on May 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Wrong. Norther coastal CA is as liberal as any of the other coastal areas.

The divide is coastal non-coastal counties. Sadly for the right wing, nobody lives in non-coastal counties.

Only two counties in CA that touch the ocean voted for McCain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM

How do you figure? Save for Central Valley, there are no clearly defined GOP counties in the state. I personally saw a good number of liberals in Orange County, Santa Barbara, etc. Its the entire coastline that is liberal, some places are more so and some less, but they are still liberal in general. The only way to split the state is on the North-South axis and it would be interesting to see.

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM

You have a point. As for OC, you could take out Laguna Beach and make it a lot redder. But, like someone pointed out upthread, Lex Luthor had a plan.

..Otisville?

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:21 PM

For all of those who wish to flame Ca. You might want to make sure you are you are not from a federal welfare state. Ca only gets back about 78 cents for every dollar we send to Washington. How does your state rate?

http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

NY. A buck behind CA. I can camplain.

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 4:22 PM

JFKY, I agree, we are flying of the cliff, but redistribution of wealth at both the state and federal level doesn’t help. How much harder would it be to balance your budget if someo kept taking a quarter for everyone of your dollars. Unfourtunately we tax the wrong groups and have made it hard to do business here, and our day of reconning is right around the corner. It won’t be pretty.

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Wrong. Norther coastal CA is as liberal as any of the other coastal areas.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM

..someone get The Belligerent Drooler a manual on navigation and teach him the difference between latitude and longitude. North-South “axis” infers longitudinally.

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Only two counties in CA that touch the ocean voted for McCain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Wow, you’re not just an imbecile, you’re delusional as well. California has 54 congressional districts, only 9 of them are Blue. It’s a thin sliver of land running up the coast, about 30 miles wide and 200 miles long, less than 10 percent of California’s land mass, yet holds 52 percent of the states population.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Actually Jabberwock, NY gets a penny more.

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:26 PM

..someone get The Belligerent Drooler a manual on navigation and teach him the difference between latitude and longitude. North-South “axis” infers implies longitudinally.

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:24 PM

..preemptive.

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:26 PM

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM

..two beers!

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM

I smell a flame thread

Emotions run high because native Californians watched their state get washed away by a foreign invasion, while the federal governmnet stood by and let it happen.

Other Americans can’t/won’t understand it until it happens to them

And it’s happening right now. We are being overrun in south Louisiana with a wave of migrant Mexicans from other states.

Our #1 national security issue isn’t Afghanistan.

It’s the foreign invasion of America, and the complete;y failed country on our border.

Before this is done, we may end up having to invade northern Mexico and clearing it out.

Seriously.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 3:57 PM

100% true

I’m honestly just ready to move out of here, and cede what’s left of the “Golden”(shower) State to Mexico.

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Yea, we have lot’s of illegal aliens here, but 90% of them don’t vote, they just work had and send half of their earning back to Mexico. And even they are leaving now…

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:01 PM

What are you smoking? I go to L.A. on business frequently and it takes me to the backstreets the tourists and even most of the locals don’t see. The illegal invasion has destroyed the place, dude. I spend more time in L.A. speaking Spanish now than English. L.A. now looks like Tijuana did 20 years ago. I even had to draw up a contract in Spanish last month and have the guy sign the English and Spanish versions. Yeah, the liberal politics of the American immigrants have made dealing with the foreign invasion impossible, but it’s the foreign invasion that totaled the state. Sorry – them’s the facts.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

I’m honestly just ready to move out of here, and cede what’s left of the “Golden”(shower) State to Mexico.

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM

*chortle*

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Yes we won. We don’t have to take you seriously anymore.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Keep thinking that way, please.

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Wrong. Norther coastal CA is as liberal as any of the other coastal areas.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Ahhh…. Typical communist response pointing out utter lack of any reading comprehension. Even Russians are waking up lately and giving severe attitude adjustments (beatings) to old school moron such as yourself, its only a matter of time the rest of the world wakes up when even Russians begin to understand its the only way to deal with the scourge – eliminate the problem they sprung on the world.

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Yeah, the liberal politics of the American immigrants have made dealing with the foreign invasion impossible, but it’s the foreign invasion that totaled the state. Sorry – them’s the facts.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Sigh… You do know that LA isn’t the center of the Universe right? Or even the majority of California right?

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

In English, please. I don’t speak gibberish.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Oakland Police Run Over Occupiers Bike, Protesters Suddenly Not So Cool With Property Destruction…

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/05/03/oakland-police-run-over-occupiers-bike-protesters-suddenly-not-so-cool-with-property-destruction/

BWAHAHAH……………

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Use two wax rings cane, it pisses the environmentalist off.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Thanks for the tip – I’m actually leaving for the hardware store to buy the wax ring now!

Serious toilet question (the Californians left there can answer because they live in one) – There’s a decent-sized chip on the part of the toilet that goes into the wax ring.

Do I need to fill it with putty or epoxy, or does the water not back up high enough when you flush to hit the wax ring (if so I could leave it alone, I guess)?

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Wow, you’re not just an imbecile, you’re delusional as well. California has 54 congressional districts, only 9 of them are Blue. It’s a thin sliver of land running up the coast, about 30 miles wide and 200 miles long, less than 10 percent of California’s land mass, yet holds 52 percent of the states population.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Which is exactly what I said, it’s not N/S it’s coast/non-coast where the political divide exists. Thanks for agreeing with me.

As for CDs, only 9 are blue? Care to try again? Moron.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Sigh… You do know that LA isn’t the center of the Universe right? Or even the majority of California right?

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM

I’ve been all over almost every part of California. The invasion has saturated almost everywhere, except the pot-growing backwoods where interlopers get shot or step in a bear trap. It has COMPLETELY taken over the big cities… and that’s where the votes are.

/sigh

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:34 PM

You have a point. As for OC, you could take out Laguna Beach and make it a lot redder. But, like someone pointed out upthread, Lex Luthor had a plan.

..Otisville?

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Area around Irvine is as liberal as it gets, from personal experience, sad to say. Not that Huntington Beach as well as Newport are far behind these days.

The only “safe” GOP enclaves in OC are all on the far east boarder. Yes, the Housewives’ area.

Small GOP mostly enclaves in the Sierras (Routes 50 and 80 past Sacramento area), but like Central Valley they are mostly farm land.

Like I said, if the farmers are smart enough to organize one of these days, they can bring the entire state down to its knees and in a rather short period of time.

riddick on May 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Cane, is the chip on the inside or outside? If it isn’t to big the wax Ring should fill it in

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Do I need to fill it with putty or epoxy, or does the water not back up high enough when you flush to hit the wax ring (if so I could leave it alone, I guess)?

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Yes… You need to fill it, go to Home Depot (or whatever hardware store you go to) and tell them about it, they’ll hock you up with a plaster compound for it.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Yea, we have lot’s of illegal aliens here, but 90% of them don’t vote, they just work had and send half of their earning back to Mexico. And even they are leaving now…

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:01 PM

What are you smoking? I go to L.A. on business frequently and it takes me to the backstreets the tourists and even most of the locals don’t see. The illegal invasion has destroyed the place, dude.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:28 PM

..I don’t think you two guys are that far apart. It is a given that there’s a lot of illegals and SW asserts that most of them don’t vote. Yeah, and clearly the influx has trashed the state.

But there is a decided outflow of illegals since Obama tanked the economy. The unemployment rate in Mexico is somewhere around 4-5% and — again with the empirical examples — I live next to a park in OC (close to Santa Ana) that used to be “well attended” by Hispanics on the weekends. It is almost empty now. Similarly, I go to two Home Despots that are amazingly bereft of day laborers — as are three spots I see daily on my way to work.

Disclaimer again: not scientific and the state’s still in the toilet. I’d prefer to have the hard-working illegals and dislodge the liberal law-makers, but that’s life.

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Cane, is the chip on the inside or outside? If it isn’t to big the wax Ring should fill it in

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Yes… You need to fill it, go to Home Depot (or whatever hardware store you go to) and tell them about it, they’ll hock you up with a plaster compound for it.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Glad we can all agree to lay down our arms to discuss toilets!!!

:-)))

Chip’s on the outside and decent size. I was thinking maybe JB Weld and hit it with my grinder…. Plaster, I don’t know about

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I’ve been all over almost every part of California. The invasion has saturated almost everywhere, except the pot-growing backwoods where interlopers get shot or step in a bear trap. It has COMPLETELY taken over the big cities… and that’s where the votes are.

/sigh

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:34 PM

This man speaks the truth. You cannot go anywhere here without Hispanic culture being forcibly shoved down your throat. Sure, there’s still some upper-income areas that are relatively safe(Walnut Creek, Danville, parts of the silicon valley), and of course the backwoods parts(CA is a big state) but the majority of the Urban areas might as well be called Tijuana. Worst example: Stockton

This is just the Bay Area too, I don’t even wanna comment on the LA area. What’s sad is, as bad as these news articles sound to people outside the state, I promise you It’s WORSE.

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Serious toilet question (the Californians left there can answer because they live in one) – There’s a decent-sized chip on the part of the toilet that goes into the wax ring.

Do I need to fill it with putty or epoxy, or does the water not back up high enough when you flush to hit the wax ring (if so I could leave it alone, I guess)?

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

epoxy is over-kill but a quick-dry plaster like SWalker’s suggesting will work.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

..I don’t think you two guys are that far apart. It is a given that there’s a lot of illegals and SW asserts that most of them don’t vote. Yeah, and clearly the influx has trashed the state.

I’d prefer to have the hard-working illegals and dislodge the liberal law-makers, but that’s life.

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM

They’re hard working, you want them there but they’ve trashed the state.

The right wing paranoid mind is an amazing thing to witness.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:41 PM

But there is a decided outflow of illegals since Obama tanked the economy. The unemployment rate in Mexico is somewhere around 4-5% and — again with the empirical examples — I live next to a park in OC (close to Santa Ana) that used to be “well attended” by Hispanics on the weekends. It is almost empty now. Similarly, I go to two Home Despots that are amazingly bereft of day laborers — as are three spots I see daily on my way to work.

Disclaimer again: not scientific and the state’s still in the toilet. I’d prefer to have the hard-working illegals and dislodge the liberal law-makers, but that’s life.

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM

They’re here in my south Louisiana town, waiting randomly on the sides of the roads for rides, and pushing strollers down our country lanes that have no shoulders.

California plates everywhere here these days.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Care to try again? Moron.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Nope, I actually live here douche brain.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Yes… You need to fill it, go to Home Depot (or whatever hardware store you go to) and tell them about it, they’ll hock you up with a plaster compound for it.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:35 PM

..clearly, this thread has wandered into the weeds. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing; I am taking notes of your adventures, cane, in the event I need to undertake the same type of home repair.

Now, if only Tim Allen would show up.

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

This man speaks the truth. You cannot go anywhere here without Hispanic culture being forcibly shoved down your throat. Sure, there’s still some upper-income areas that are relatively safe(Walnut Creek, Danville, parts of the silicon valley), and of course the backwoods parts(CA is a big state) but the majority of the Urban areas might as well be called Tijuana. Worst example: Stockton

This is just the Bay Area too, I don’t even wanna comment on the LA area. What’s sad is, as bad as these news articles sound to people outside the state, I promise you It’s WORSE.

1984 in real life on May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Wow. Just wow. But you’re not racist right?

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

epoxy is over-kill but a quick-dry plaster like SWalker’s suggesting will work.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Never heard of quick-dry plaster, but I’m always willing to learn new things!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Nope, I actually live here douche brain.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

..isn’t he simply charming?

The War Planner on May 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Care to try again? Moron.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Nope, I actually live here douche brain.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

You live there and you’re a moron if you think only 9/54 CA members of congress are Democrat. I take that back. Moron is too kind.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:43 PM

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

-Inner, or outer ring?

-How much distance is between the toilet and closet flange?

-Are you going to use a wax ring with a rubber inner flange

-How big, and deep, is the chip?

Plumbers epoxy putty is cheap and fast regardless.

If you use two wax rings, there will be settling issues.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:43 PM

epoxy is over-kill but a quick-dry plaster like SWalker’s suggesting will work.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Never heard of quick-dry plaster, but I’m always willing to learn new things!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Is this what conversations sound like at a NASCAR event?

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Wow. Just wow. But you’re not racist right?

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

It’s not that. He’s referring to the total lack of any respect for any of our laws or codes. Trailers on back lots, trash dumped in the ditches, driving w/o insurance because they know they get let off, etc. etc.,

You HAVE read Victor Davis Hanson’s explanations on how California is regressing into the frontier, haven’t you?

Victor Davis Hanson: “Welcome to the California Outback”

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

epoxy is over-kill but a quick-dry plaster like SWalker’s suggesting will work.

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Plaster, really? Costs more and takes forever.

EP-400 epoxy putty, in the plumbing section. It will cost about a dollar more than a good wax ring and has many other uses.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

You all should ask Angryed how to fix the toilet. He has opinions on that as well.

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Is this what conversations sound like at a NASCAR event?

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Sort of, but you forgot the operative words, “BEER” and “HOTTIE.”

Oh yeah, and “GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Chip’s on the outside and decent size. I was thinking maybe JB Weld and hit it with my grinder…. Plaster, I don’t know about

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Na, you don’t want to use JB Weld, you might have to have your trap changed someday. They make a non water soluble plaster exactly for what you are describing. All you need is to give the toilet pedestal a level, or relatively level base to sit on. Which actually kind of sounds like was your problem, at least from the way you described it. (yea, I worked for a Master Plumber for a couple of years)

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Glad we can all agree to lay down our arms to discuss toilets!!!

:-)))

Prevention of liberalism ooozing from the bottom of your toilet is a form of liberty and your Patriotic duty.

(and remember, before you seal the bottom of the toilet with caulking, flush a few times to make sure you got a good seal.)

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Plaster, really? Costs more and takes forever.

EP-400 epoxy putty, in the plumbing section. It will cost about a dollar more than a good wax ring and has many other uses.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

How long does it take to set until I can drive grind it?

;-)

This is my contribution to a California thread on Hot Air – a true discussion of toilet repair.

Would anyone volunteer to collate all the suggestions and submit them to Gov. Brown?

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

You all should ask Angryed how to fix the toilet. He has opinions on that as well.

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

No thanks, his answers on that will be just as stupid as his other words of non-wisdom.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Na, you don’t want to use JB Weld, you might have to have your trap changed someday. They make a non water soluble plaster exactly for what you are describing. All you need is to give the toilet pedestal a level, or relatively level base to sit on. Which actually kind of sounds like was your problem, at least from the way you described it. (yea, I worked for a Master Plumber for a couple of years)

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Actually, it’s a (used) replacement California, and the chip is on the replacement. I just don’t want a gap between the wax ring and the toilet… which will occur unless I repair the California.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM

This is my contribution to a California thread on Hot Air – a true discussion of toilet repair.

Would anyone volunteer to collate all the suggestions and submit them to Gov. Brown?

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

15 minutes, tops. No need to grind, it has the consistency of Play-Dow.

This has been more entertaining than angry red and will produce results, unlike trying to save California any time soon.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM

EP-400 epoxy putty, in the plumbing section. It will cost about a dollar more than a good wax ring and has many other uses.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

And after you do that, if you ever have to have your toilet trap replaced you can add about another 400 buck to the cost because of that EP-400.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

15 minutes, tops. No need to grind, it has the consistency of Play-Dow.

This has been more entertaining than angry red and will produce results, unlike trying to save California any time soon.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM

lolol

yep, has brightened my day, figuring out how to fix my California so that I can use it again! :D

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

It’s not that. He’s referring to the total lack of any respect for any of our laws or codes. Trailers on back lots, trash dumped in the ditches, driving w/o insurance because they know they get let off, etc. etc.,

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Then why not say that? Instead he says “You cannot go anywhere here without Hispanic culture being forcibly shoved down your throat.”

So is every Hispanic living in trailers on back lots with trash dumped in the ditches and drives without insurance?

Are there no whites who drive w/o insurance? Are there now whites in trailers? Are there no whites who litter?

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

The worst thing about Ca going bankrupt, is that all of our freeloaders will be looking for a new state to take care of them, sunshine don’t feed very well.

Cane, sounds like the chip is big enough that you’ll have to fill it. Since Tim Allen didn’t show up, you could ask your local hardware store, I do believe that there is stuff designed to patch porcelain.

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

You all should ask Angryed how to fix the toilet. He has opinions on that as well.

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Easy call a plumber.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

And after you do that, if you ever have to have your toilet trap replaced you can add about another 400 buck to the cost because of that EP-400.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

The chip is in the round part that sticks out of the bottom of the California…. I was thinking of some sort of filler – grind it smooth so that the wax ring sits nice with no gap… not sure how that would affect the trap?

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

So is every Hispanic living in trailers on back lots with trash dumped in the ditches and drives without insurance?

Are there no whites who drive w/o insurance? Are there now whites in trailers? Are there no whites who litter?

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Dude, go to L.A. for a couple weeks, look around, and then come back and preach your moral equivalence. You not of which you speak.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Easy call a plumber.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

May I send you the bill? I’m in the business of fixing things that can be fixed for 5% of the cost of paying someone else to fix them.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

EP-400 epoxy putty, in the plumbing section. It will cost about a dollar more than a good wax ring and has many other uses.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

OK Cozmo, I’ll buy that. But once any solid material is applied, it’s not “moveable” after the unit is in place/locked down. (except of course, if one is sitting on it during an earthquake—then all warrantees are void)

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Which actually kind of sounds like was your problem, at least from the way you described it. (yea, I worked for a Master Plumber for a couple of years)

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Sounds like the chip is on one of the ceramic rings that mark where the wax ring goes.

They don’t interfere with setting the toilet. or attaching the closet bolts to the flange.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Cane, sounds like the chip is big enough that you’ll have to fill it. Since Tim Allen didn’t show up, you could ask your local hardware store, I do believe that there is stuff designed to patch porcelain.

uncommon sense on May 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Hmmm.. porcelain patch. Ok, thanks, y’all, I’ve got several ideas now to bruit about!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Sounds like the chip is on one of the ceramic rings that mark where the wax ring goes.

They don’t interfere with setting the toilet. or attaching the closet bolts to the flange.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

The chipped part sticks down a bit through the wax ring. My concern is that when flushed, the water may back up to the wax ring, and then leak out onto the floor. This is where my knowledge of toilet hydraulics is lacking. I don’t know how high the water gets, as it negotiates the trap.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:58 PM

The chip is in the round part that sticks out of the bottom of the California…. I was thinking of some sort of filler – grind it smooth so that the wax ring sits nice with no gap… not sure how that would affect the trap?

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Ohhhhh, my bad, I though you were talking about the deck where the toilet sits. Then the EP-400 might actually be your best bet. Just make sure it is cured before you re-seat the toilet.

(there is a metal ring bolted to the wonderboard that comprises the deck the trap flange goes through, that’s the piece that has the bolts to secure the toilet to the floor, if you screw that plate up, then the whole deck has to come out and be replaced)

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Dude, go to L.A. for a couple weeks, look around, and then come back and preach your moral equivalence. You not of which you speak.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

I’ve been to LA more times than I can count. I’ve also been to the backwoods of LA and MS. Not sure which is the more shitty area.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Thanks for thew ideas, ya’ll!

I’m off now to try to fix California.

BBL

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

May I send you the bill? I’m in the business of fixing things that can be fixed for 5% of the cost of paying someone else to fix them.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

That 95% markup is worth it for me not to have to stick my hands down a toilet.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 5:00 PM

’ve been to LA more times than I can count. I’ve also been to the backwoods of LA and MS. Not sure which is the more shitty area.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

No argument there – except that at least in LA and MS the backwoods are still American, and one can still use the language to communicate and interact, instead of walking past each other without speaking.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Look on the bright side Calie:

You still are #1 in porn, abortion, gaydar, and pot-heads

Eph on May 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Wohoo! We’re no. 1, we’re no. 1.

toolnutz on May 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Easy call a plumber.

angryed on May 3, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Guy named Joe, right?

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Sounds like the chip is on one of the ceramic rings that mark where the wax ring goes.

They don’t interfere with setting the toilet. or attaching the closet bolts to the flange.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Right, I though he was saying that one of the tiles next to the trap ring were broken. Hell, he probably doesn’t actually need to fix that at all.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

And after you do that, if you ever have to have your toilet trap replaced you can add about another 400 buck to the cost because of that EP-400.

SWalker on May 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Or replace the closet flange (10 minutes, 10 bucks). Though, it sounds like the chip is on the toilet rather than the plumbing.

OK Cozmo, I’ll buy that. But once any solid material is applied, it’s not “moveable” after the unit is in place/locked down. (except of course, if one is sitting on it during an earthquake—then all warrantees are void)

Rovin on May 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

True, but if done right, it won’t have to.

cozmo, who bought his first rental property at 18 and was too broke to have others do the work. Hired plumbers and electricians and HVAC guys under the condition that I was the helper…and I learned.

cozmo on May 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM

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