Gallup: Catholic vote a tossup, 46/46

posted at 9:21 am on May 3, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

In 2008, Barack Obama won the Catholic vote by nine points, 54/45, over John McCain on his way to a seven-point victory in the national popular vote.  Three months after announcing the HHS mandate that would force religious hospitals, schools, and charities to fund contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients, Obama has lost that edge among the tens of millions of Catholic voters.  A new Gallup poll shows Obama in a dead heat with Mitt Romney, at just about the same level as McCain got in 2008:

Catholic voters in the United States are evenly split in their support for Barack Obama and Mitt Romney for president, mirroring the national trend. However, Hispanic Catholics — about 18% of the total group of Catholic voters — are overwhelmingly likely to support Obama over Romney, while a majority of non-Hispanic white Catholics support Romney.

Obama led Romney by one percentage point, 46% to 45%, among the more than 8,000 registered voters interviewed as part of Gallup Daily tracking conducted April 11-30. Among the 1,915 Catholics interviewed during that time, support for Obama and Romney was almost the same, with 46% support for Obama and 46% for Romney.

Catholics’ divided preferences at this point contrast with those of the largest religious group in the country, Protestants, whose support swings to Romney by 51% to 41%. The split in Catholics’ preferences also differs from the choice among those who identify with another religion or no religion at all, a group that clearly supports Obama, by 58% to 33%.

The Protestant vote is going to be a problem for Obama, too.  He lost Protestants to McCain by the same numbers, 45/54.  However, the difference in both numbers is that Obama is a known quantity this time, unlike in 2008. Those who remain undecided now are much less likely to break towards the incumbent.  Romney already has a ten-point lead among Protestants, and could easily stretch it out to the mid-teens by Election Day.  Protestants made up 54% of the electorate in 2008, and it’s probably a safe bet that they’ll turn out even stronger in 2012.

Obama won despite the disadvantage mainly because of his strength among Catholics.  Gallup tries to soften the blow by noting that Obama does very well among Hispanic Catholics, 70/20, but they are only about 18% of the bloc.  Obama is deeply unpopular among non-Hispanic Catholics, 38/55.  Whatever else happens, the Catholic vote won’t come to Obama’s rescue in 2012 as it did in 2008.

The US Conference of Catholic Bishops have not relented one iota on the issue of the HHS mandate, which means these numbers won’t be improving any time soon.  That may even start having an impact on Obama’s lead among Hispanic Catholics.  Obama will have to defend this intrusion on religious expression, thanks to the USCCB’s energetic attacks, but the administration will have to do better than this:

In sworn testimony before the House Education and Workforce Committee, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that her general counsel did not write a legal memo explaining the religious freedom issues in the birth control mandate. During the same line of questioning, Sebelius also admitted to being unfamiliar with several important Supreme Court religious freedom cases.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) said that he knew of only three tests that the Supreme Court has used to balance a constitutionally protected freedom against a policy goal. He described those three tests and then asked Sebelius last Thursday, “Which of those three constitutional balancing tests were you making reference to when you said you ‘balanced’ things?”

“Congressman, I’m not a lawyer and I don’t pretend to understand the nuances of the constitutional balancing tests,” Sebelius answered.

“Before this rule was promulgated, did you read any of the Supreme Court cases on religious liberty?” Gowdy later asked.

Sebelius answered that she did not.

Chris Cillizza and Rachel Weiner underscore the importance of this bloc:

As Gallup’s Frank Newport notes in a memo on the findings, Catholics have historically been a Democratic-leaning constituency — the party can thank John F. Kennedy for that one — but in recent decades have become more of a toss-up voting bloc.

The eight presidential elections reveal how up for grabs Catholics truly. The Republican nominee has carried Catholics four times, the Democratic nominee has carried Catholics four times. …

Keep an eye on the Catholic vote between now and November. How it goes will tell you a lot about who is going to be the next president.

And as long as the bishops maintain the fight against the Obama administration — and they defend the mandate so badly — it won’t be Obama who wins this bloc.


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“stick fingers in ears – la-la-la-I can’t hear you” behavior.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Reminds me of my older sister when we argue politics. To her, anyone with a (D) next to their name is infallible, and oh so brilliant. (R)’s are always dumb and extreme. She asked me: “Isn’t Romney kind of dumb?” I informed her that Romney graduated Harvard with a 3.9 GPA, and reminded her we didn’t have Barry’s transcripts – and then started listing some of the more stupid things he has said – and sure enough – she covers her ears. :)

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Let’s see, the church of anti-abortion, anti-contraception and anti-gay marriage throws 45% of their support toward a Pres who is exactly the opposite? WE ARE SO SCREWED.

hillsoftx on May 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM

There are many, when it comes time to face their Creator, that will be surprised to find out how “screwed” THEY themselves are….

“If you were accused of being a Christian in a court of law, would there be enough evidence to convict you?”

jjjdad on May 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM

My friend is great-but her family are loyal children of the ‘Nazi Church of the Reformation’.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 3, 2012 at 10:23 AM

I’m currently reading how the Protestant (reformed) Church in Germany responded to the rise of the National Socialists. For that reason, I caution you that calling any church “Nazi” is bordering on being historically offensive. It truly is scary what the German state church morphed into during this period. And how quickly it happened. For example, when the Hitler-appointed bishops decided that they didn’t need a Christian youth organization with the Hitler Youth. For what it is worth a segment of the Reformed church leaders fought back when virtually every other societal institution did not.

The German Catholics cut a separate deal with Hitler but we don’t need to go there.

Happy Nomad on May 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM

They are chronically wrong. They were wrong in 2009. They were wrong in 2010. They were wrong in 2011. They are still wrong in 2012.

steebo77 on May 3, 2012 at 10:28 AM

This is why AP is always saying unexpectedly when job numbers come out.

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Reminds me of my older sister when we argue politics. To her, anyone with a (D) next to their name is infallible, and oh so brilliant. (R)’s are always dumb and extreme. She asked me: “Isn’t Romney kind of dumb?” I informed her that Romney graduated Harvard with a 3.9 GPA, and reminded her we didn’t have Barry’s transcripts – and then started listing some of the more stupid things he has said – and sure enough – she covers her ears. :)

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Because Republicans are eeeevil. It’s a religion.
My ex-best friend and my cousin are exactly like this. My cousin is a college professor. Go figure.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 10:40 AM

How can anyone who calls themselves a Catholic vote for Obama? This is a man who embraces everything against Christianity and backs murder by abortion!I wish the Catholic church would let these people know that they commit a mortal sin by approving abortion and can be excommunicated! Let them pick between Religion or wrong Political Ideology! You can’t have both!

Jersey Dan on May 3, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Happy Nomad on May 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM

The LCR basically believes that if a Jew does it-it’s wrong.
Martin Luther wasn’t friendly toward Jews later on. Most Lutheran Churches-I spent time in LCMS-have dropped Luther’s Jew-hatred…but not the LCR.
They’ve embraced it. Jews are always wrong. Israel is always wrong. Israel is a terrorist state etc. My calling the LCR the ‘Nazi’ church-stands.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 3, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Let them pick between Religion or wrong Political Ideology! You can’t have both!

Jersey Dan on May 3, 2012 at 10:42 AM

You can if your Catholic,,,,,Pedifile Priests?

ConcealedKerry on May 3, 2012 at 10:44 AM

You can if your Catholic,,,,,Pedifile Priests?

ConcealedKerry on May 3, 2012 at 10:44 AM

But the priests still aren’t allowed to carry their pedifiles through airport security. What happened to separation of church and state?!?

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM

My calling the LCR the ‘Nazi’ church-stands.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 3, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Fine, I was just pointing out that historically that might not be the best thing to do.

Happy Nomad on May 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Because Republicans are eeeevil. It’s a religion.
My ex-best friend and my cousin are exactly like this. My cousin is a college professor. Go figure.

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 10:40 AM

I got into it yesterday with my sister. She really needs some new material. She hit me with Haliburton, the Koch Brothers, and Glenn Beck. It must be depressing to be a Democrat these days. Obambi is a disaster, and I think their congressional leaders, Pelosi and Reid, both have dementia. Who do they have on their bench? Who are their rising stars? Hillary? She’ll be a little long in the tooth by 2016.

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM

This is AP’s territory, Ed. Of course, a toss up is a victory considering the 15-85% disadvantage.

Fuquay Steve on May 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM

You can if your Catholic,,,,,Pedifile Priests?

ConcealedKerry on May 3, 2012 at 10:44 AM

That’s it? That’s all you’ve got? And you really think being a pedifile (sic) is a political ideology? Well, maybe if you belong to NAMBLA? If you want to rant about political ideology and pedophillia let’s talk about the rat’s nest of pedophiles within the ranks of the education profession.

Trafalgar on May 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM

If that Hispanic Catholic number is close to correct, I am sorely disappointed. I thought Hispanic Catholics were more perceptive than that. I hope that is a small sample problem.

Maybe I just live in a good area. Around here there are a lot of Hispanic conservatives and Tea Partiers.

WannabeAnglican on May 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM

You know who didn’t vote for Obama over McCain? Evangelicals and social conservatives.

Obviously, evangelicals and social conservatives are a drag on the Republican party and need to be purged from the party forthwith.

tom on May 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

I wish the Catholic church would let these people know that they commit a mortal sin by approving abortion and can be excommunicated! Let them pick between Religion or wrong Political Ideology! You can’t have both!

Jersey Dan on May 3, 2012 at 10:42 AM

My favorite argument from the war on Christians was the idea that forcing religious organizations to provide horny law students free contraception was actually a good thing. By the mandate the government took Catholics off the hook from doing what they knew was right (underwriting Sandra Fluke’s sexcapades) and their stodgy old doctrine.

Yes, as perverted as that argument is, that was the administration’s defense of the mandate.

Happy Nomad on May 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

I got into it yesterday with my sister. She really needs some new material. She hit me with Haliburton, the Koch Brothers, and Glenn Beck. It must be depressing to be a Democrat these days. Obambi is a disaster, and I think their congressional leaders, Pelosi and Reid, both have dementia. Who do they have on their bench? Who are their rising stars? Hillary? She’ll be a little long in the tooth by 2016.

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM

HALLIBURTON? Seriously? Ask her what planet she’s on, and what specifically Halliburton has to do with our impending bankruptcy.

You have to hit these deluded people (sorry about your sister) with financial reality.

Start by hitting her with the fact that the Afghan and Iraq wars cost $1.5 trillion, COMBINED.

Then explain that 0bama has run up $7 trillion in additional debt – almost FIVE AFGHAN AND IRAQ WARS!!!!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Gowdy destroyed Sebelius. That was brutal! lol

cicerone on May 3, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Gowdy destroyed Sebelius. That was brutal! lol

cicerone on May 3, 2012 at 10:57 AM

And amazing. But it won’t do a thing for public perception. The media’s got Obama’s flank covered.

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 10:59 AM

This is one of the potential down sides of the Supreme Court doing the right thing and completely tossing ObamaCare: the mandate would go away at the same time.

Oh, well. It would still be worth it.

Greg Q on May 3, 2012 at 10:59 AM

This is one of the potential down sides of the Supreme Court doing the right thing and completely tossing ObamaCare: the mandate would go away at the same time.

Oh, well. It would still be worth it.

Greg Q on May 3, 2012 at 10:59 AM

I don’t see that as a downside at all. Striking down the mandate would show the nation that the “Constitutional Scholar” doesn’t have the first clue about the Constitution.

Obama ran on his intelligence and political acumen in 2008. He can’t run on his record in 2012, and if his intelligence and acumen are shown to be garbage too, then he’s got nothing but “Romney’s worse” to sell.

I’d take that fight.

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM

askwhatif on May 3, 2012 at 9:59 AM

A group?

One resident complained about the monument set up in 1921 to honor WWI dead from that town…one resident.

And the Freedom From Religion Foundation pours into town…from Wisconsin. Not even Rhode Island residents.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM

This group was recently in a small town in PA threatening the public school district with a lawsuit if they refused to remove a plaque in front of the high school that lists the 10 Commandments. The plaque has been in front of the school’s gym since the year “The 10 Commandments” movie was released (1959? I don’t remember). The reaction from the school district and the surrounding towns was immediate — they mobilized and basically told FFRF to go pound sand. I read about FFRF and their tendency to file lawsuits for virtually every shred of religion in the public square; I can’t recall the website, but the one salient point I did see was that while they’re very good at filing suit, they are dismally bad at actually winning them.

So I would think it would be easy to generate support for the WWI memorial in your town against FFRF. Don’t back down and don’t give up!

PatriotGal2257 on May 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Isn’t the message pretty clear when you look at the tax returns of Democratic and Republican Presidential candidates? Isn’t it the Republicans who universally donate more money to charity than their counterparts?

Why isn’t the message that R’s put forth that they are all about helping other people, they just prefer to do it on their terms with their own money?

Instead candidates are always out there talking about how they are going to wield the government ax to help people, just in a different way than the Left.

Seriously, this party needs help with its messaging.

oconp88 on May 3, 2012 at 11:08 AM

HALLIBURTON? Seriously? Ask her what planet she’s on, and what specifically Halliburton has to do with our impending bankruptcy.

You have to hit these deluded people (sorry about your sister) with financial reality.

Start by hitting her with the fact that the Afghan and Iraq wars cost $1.5 trillion, COMBINED.

Then explain that 0bama has run up $7 trillion in additional debt – almost FIVE AFGHAN AND IRAQ WARS!!!!

cane_loader on May 3, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Yeah, I do hit her with the outrageous spending. To her, Halliburton represents Dick Cheney’s corruption, and of course Cheney is the personification of evil. It told her that with Halliburton, at least we get their services rendered out of the deal. Unlike Solyndra and other companies where taxpayer money just goes disappears down a black hole. She says she’ll look Solyndra up (poor girl watches MSNBC).

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

For those Conservative Catholics like myself who always wondered what happened to the Church, this article gave me some insight. It is a long read, but helpful.

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/American-Catholicism-s-Pact-With-the-Devil

This is what the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church forgot. In the 1930s, the majority of the  bishops, priests, and nuns sold their souls to the devil, and they did so with the best of intentions. In their concern for the suffering of those out of work and destitute, they wholeheartedly embraced the New Deal. They gloried in the fact that Franklin Delano Roosevelt made Frances Perkins – a devout Anglo-Catholic laywoman who belonged to the Episcopalian Church but retreated on occasion to a Catholic convent – Secretary of Labor and the first member of her sex to be awarded a cabinet post. And they welcomed Social Security – which was her handiwork. They did not stop to ponder whether public provision in this regard would subvert the moral principle that children are responsible for the well-being of their parents. They did not stop to consider whether this measure would reduce the incentives for procreation and nourish the temptation to think of sexual intercourse as an indoor sport. They did not stop to think.

In the process, the leaders of the American Catholic Church fell prey to a conceit that had long before ensnared a great many mainstream Protestants in the United States – the notion that public provision is somehow akin to charity – and so they fostered state paternalism and undermined what they professed to teach: that charity is an individual responsibility and that it is appropriate that the laity join together under the leadership of the Church to alleviate the suffering of the poor. In its place, they helped establish the Machiavellian principle that underpins modern liberalism – the notion that it is our Christian duty to confiscate other people’s money and redistribute it.

FLconservative on May 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

That’s PRECISELY the problem. The media’s bias is much more a function of what they choose NOT to report than an active slant – though that exists too.

People literally don’t know about 85% of the scandals/douchebaggery circling the Democrats. Informed voters lean/vote right. Empirically.

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 11:13 AM

That’s PRECISELY the problem. The media’s bias is much more a function of what they choose NOT to report than an active slant – though that exists too.

People literally don’t know about 85% of the scandals/douchebaggery circling the Democrats. Informed voters lean/vote right. Empirically.

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Exactly. My sister had also not heard of Fast and Furious – and Congress has investigated that for over a year. Can you imagine if any of those scandals happened under GWB or another Republican? Wall-to-wall coverage – and cries for impeachment.

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM

So the Catholic vote is split. Even after all that Obama has
done to denigrate the Church.

Conclusion:

50% of all Catholics have their heads so far up their rectums
a colonoscopy wouldn’t shine any light for them?

ToddPA on May 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM

How can this possibly be. The Church has to get involved and mandate that they vote for whoever is Odumbo’s opponent. How can any right minded thinking person still want to vote for this clown and for his attacks on Catholic Church doctrine.

rjoco1 on May 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM

I’m not saying all Jewish voters pull the lever for the Dems, but a vast majority of them do. That can’t be denied. For God’s sake, there was a poll out a few weeks ago that showed even people in Israel were split 50/50 on whether or not Obama’s policies were for or against their country. These were Jews polled in Israel!

Doughboy on May 3, 2012 at 9:56 AM

wrong about that poll. American Jewish support now down to 62% from 78% in 2008. In Israel”

“Asked whether the Obama administration is more pro- Israel, more pro-Palestinian or neutral, 24% said more pro- Israel, 24% said more pro-Palestinian, 36% said neutral and 16% did not express an opinion.

Israelis’ views on the Obama administration varied significantly based on where they place themselves on the political map. Those who consider themselves left-wing were more likely to call the administration more pro-Israel, while right-wing Israelis were more likely to perceive it as more pro-Palestinian.

AirForceCane on May 3, 2012 at 11:33 AM

My sister had also not heard of Fast and Furious – and Congress has investigated that for over a year. Can you imagine if any of those scandals happened under GWB or another Republican? Wall-to-wall coverage – and cries for impeachment.

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Can you imagine what would have happened if Bush ordered the assassination of an American citizen without trial, regardless of his terrorism, treason, et al.?

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Well, at least Obama has the overwhelming support of the atheists. Wonder what Allpha thinks of that?

aigle on May 3, 2012 at 11:33 AM

ARLINGTON, Va. – Mitt Romney this evening, speaking to a group of high-dollar donors at the Ritz-Carlton hotel, poked fun at President Obama’s newly unveiled campaign slogan, “Forward,” remarking, “Forward, what, over the cliff?”

LOL – go Mitt! I’m liking this guy as a candidate more and more. His campaign looks much more polished than Team O. And our SuperPAC ads etc. are much more professional looking and better produced than their ads. I’m really encouraged at this point.

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Yay…another poll!

verbaluce on May 3, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Obama ran on his intelligence and political acumen in 2008. He can’t run on his record in 2012, and if his intelligence and acumen are shown to be garbage too, then he’s got nothing but “Romney’s worse” to sell.
I’d take that fight.

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Bingo. He’ll have the “Romney’s worse!” card and the “RAAAAACISM!!1!” card. That’s it.

OhioCoastie on May 3, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Bingo. He’ll have the “Romney’s worse!” card and the “RAAAAACISM!!1!” card. That’s it.

OhioCoastie on May 3, 2012 at 11:40 AM

And the only people that works on are those who were going to vote for him anyway.

As long as Romney keeps laying the hammer down.

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 11:45 AM

50% of all Catholics have their heads so far up their rectums
a colonoscopy wouldn’t shine any light for them?

ToddPA on May 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM

The religious angle with regard to voting Catholics on this thread is really an extraneous point. The point is moat, Jesse. Catholics don’t and won’t vote as a monolithic group as you would find with the Jewish democrats or Conservative Southern Baptists.

The contraception brouhaha, albeit having strong constitutional disregard, basically was lost on rank and file Catholics- who the majority tend to be go-along middle-lower income people, blue collar union people in the northern population centers. Most liberal Catholics were in favor of the mandate. The exception is the canon law abiding old school Catholic. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it just they are a much smaller percentage of Catholics who really have a problem with Maobama.

My point is that while I agree the polled “Catholics” have “cranial-rectal-itis” , they do so because they are hopeless democrites first, and not because of which church they happen to belong to.

FlaMurph on May 3, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Can you imagine what would have happened if Bush ordered the assassination of an American citizen without trial, regardless of his terrorism, treason, et al.?

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 11:33 AM

OMG, the leftist groups would take to the streets. The ACLU would be in court instantly. The editorial pages of the NY Times and the Washington Compost would be brimming with condemnation.

You ever notice how the anti-war movement just disappears when a Democrat is in the White House?

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Well the Catholics and the rest of believing people had better wake up before we don’t have a right to worship as we want:

“Test of Fire”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd=

Catholic? Protestant? Jew? No matter. This is a powerful message. Hoo-Rah for the Catholic church.!!!!!!!!!!

Bambi on May 3, 2012 at 11:54 AM

And as long as the bishops maintain the fight against the Obama administration — and they defend the mandate so badly — it won’t be Obama who wins this bloc.

As long as the bishops feel that the removal of Obamacare is more important than higher minimum wages and Compassionate Immigration Reform you might be right.

CTSherman on May 3, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Can you imagine what would have happened if Bush ordered the assassination of an American citizen without trial, regardless of his terrorism, treason, et al.?

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 11:33 AM

OMG, the leftist groups would take to the streets. The ACLU would be in court instantly. The editorial pages of the NY Times and the Washington Compost would be brimming with condemnation.

You ever notice how the anti-war movement just disappears when a Democrat is in the White House?

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Because they aren’t anti-war. They’re anti-Republican.

I’m glad that’s starting to get noticed outside of the right-o-sphere.

Washington Nearsider on May 3, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Horse doodee-poo. Don’t believe it.

J.E. Dyer on May 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Ms Sibelius’ ignorance even belies Madame Speaker’s ridiculous claim that “you have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it.”

Here we are 2 years later, and Ms Sibelius clearly believes they get to make it up as they go.

And she apparently thinks the law’s constitutionality is clearly determined by how many and which people supported it.

Surely this is an act, right? She can’t be this ignorant, can she?

rwenger43 on May 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Bishops Issue Call To Action To Defend Religious Liberty

The bishops called for “A Fortnight for Freedom,” the two-week period from June 21 to July 4—beginning with the feasts of St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher and ending with Independence Day—to focus “all the energies the Catholic community can muster” for religious liberty. They also asked that, later in the year, the feast of Christ the King be “a day specifically employed by bishops and priests to preach about religious liberty, both here and abroad.”

Take another poll after this event.

Obama declared war on the wrong church.

Roy Rogers on May 3, 2012 at 12:35 PM

I don’t understand how SO many Catholics can be SO stupid.

Wolfmoon on May 3, 2012 at 12:37 PM

I don’t understand how SO many Catholics can be SO stupid.

Wolfmoon on May 3, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Not just Catholics.

Roy Rogers on May 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM

My experience is skewed by the fact that I’ve only ever lived in deep blue states, but my church is filled to the brim with Catholics who attend every Sunday and are union-loving liberals first and foremost.

The bishops have been asking the priests to read their letters about the HHS mandate at Mass, but the flamboyantly gay pastor of my church has refused to do so. He printed one of the letters in the church bulletin, and there was an uproar afterward from the union people who felt that the bishops should be more concerned with union grievances than with HHS mandates.

In response, the pastor bent over backwards to reassure everyone that he wasn’t endorsing the bishops’ position by printing the letter.

This particular church in the southwest suburbs of Chicago is a disgrace.

Kensington on May 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM

So here’s what I predict: the bishops will not cave. Obama will cave.

BUT!

The moment Obama caves, the bishops will be all over him like groupies for the remainder of the campaign.

Kensington on May 3, 2012 at 12:47 PM

These are the Reagan Democrats–Catholic ethnics, Irish, Italian, Polish–mostly concentrated in the swing states. Bad news for Obama. So far he’s alienating the young who can’t find jobs, Hispanics who want immigration reform, Jews who resent his anti-Israel policies and Catholics who are shocked by his attacks on religious freedom. Meanwhile his job approval numbers in the states that matter remain well below 50% with the economy headed in the wrong direction in future months.

writeblock on May 3, 2012 at 1:10 PM

For the religious bashers:

I’d pit the conservative/liberal ratio of Catholics and other religious folks, over the same for atheists – any day of the week.

Rebar on May 3, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Also, I’m not personally seeing any movement amongst the Catholics I know. The ones who voted for Obama in 2008 intend to do so again this year. I don’t know anyone who’s changing their mind.

It’s mystifying.

Kensington on May 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I don’t understand how SO many Catholics can be SO stupid.

Wolfmoon on May 3, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Not just Catholics.

Roy Rogers on May 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Not just Catholics is correct, and you must remember that for some Catholics, their faith is a very distant second as a genuine faith commitment — if it registers at all — and more as a social, superficial group identity. Their true “religion,” their worldview, will always in the end be liberalism.

PatriotGal2257 on May 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

They should poll “practicing” Catholics, there would be a much different outcome. What’s the point of being Catholic or any religion for that matter if you don’t attend mass.

tommer74 on May 3, 2012 at 1:45 PM

How can anyone who calls themselves a Catholic vote for Obama? This is a man who embraces everything against Christianity and backs murder by abortion!I wish the Catholic church would let these people know that they commit a mortal sin by approving abortion and can be excommunicated! Let them pick between Religion or wrong Political Ideology! You can’t have both!

Jersey Dan on May 3, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Many Catholics don’t really believe the nonsense that the hierarchy is pushing and just pretend to play the game since religion is a social requirement in many places. In some cases the faithful never learned what they were supposed to believe and in others the wonderful invention called ‘confession’ allows you to sin now and get instant forgiveness a little later. I guess good old Teddy K. confessed his murder of Mary Jo to the local shaman thinking he’d arrive at the right hand of god while she died in the car, probably with some unconfessed sins.

An honest poll would probably show condom use among Catholics not far different than for other groups so I doubt that the bishops will be able to push many votes once the people are actually voting.

Annar on May 3, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Hey ED!

This poll says it surveyed registered voters.

But then the poll explicitly says that Hispanic Catholics “make up 28% of all Catholics in Gallup’s sample” (of 1,915 Catholics).

However, the poll then announces that Hispanic registered Catholics “make up only 18% of Catholic voters” (because they are less likely to be registered voters).

So why were Hispanic Catholics represented at 28% of the Catholic registered voting sample? What gives?

Shmuli on May 3, 2012 at 2:00 PM

In 2008 Obama won the catholic vote by 9 points. McCain won the Protestant vote by 9 points.

So this 4.5 point swing is interesting but not “amazing”.

Catholics amounted to 27% of the voters in 2008 so while it is welcome news, it isn’t all that big of a swing.

crosspatch on May 3, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Also, I’m not personally seeing any movement amongst the Catholics I know. The ones who voted for Obama in 2008 intend to do so again this year. I don’t know anyone who’s changing their mind.

It’s mystifying.

Kensington on May 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

The boy in the bubble…why, I just don’t know anyone who’s not voting for Senator McGovern…he’ll win big.

jan3 on May 3, 2012 at 3:31 PM

If anything, this makes me think the second coming is coming. The Jews were beyond hedonistic when Christ came the first time, and now our Christian Churches have turned into slop. Gay Priests and Lesbian Pastors, Female lay-leaders, practially open Pedophelia in the Catholic church, support for abortion, gay marriage, communism. The Church of England has Athiest leaders who have sued to keep their jobs and won.

How anyone can have any part of their silly head think they are following Christ and yet they vote for people like Clinton, Obama, Kennedy, Pelosi, Frank et al. is beyond comprehension and logic.

There are even so-called Christians who spurn Mormons (who love and accept Jesus- just with a part III to the bible), but accept Jews who reject Jesus in whole.

Spartacus on May 3, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Someone’s telling me that religion and intelligence can coexist? Hell no.
PS: Okay, don’t take it personally. *You* may be an exception.
Archivarix on May 3, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Torch that strawman, will you? My case is that atheists are, at average, more intelligent than believers. I know, any statement is awfully tough to prove scientifically but American politics does provide ample anecdotal evidence to it.
Archivarix on May 3, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Is it your God’s teaching to resort to personal insults when arguments fail?
Archivarix on May 3, 2012 at 9:52 AM

If the voice in your head, loosely referred to as God, tells you that it is obvious, both of you can go stimulate yourselves.
Archivarix on May 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM

I find it incredibly ironic that you are accusing others on this thread of resorting to personal insults, when you have done nothing but that from the first comment you made. A majority of Americans, regardless of our religious affiliation, do believe in God, and you have not shown any statistics to backup your assertion that we are all “less intelligent” than atheists.

You were told that you were pompous, because that is how you are coming across with your comments.

Susanboo on May 3, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Also, I’m not personally seeing any movement amongst the Catholics I know. The ones who voted for Obama in 2008 intend to do so again this year. I don’t know anyone who’s changing their mind.

It’s mystifying.

Kensington on May 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

And they want four more years of . . . what?

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Spartacus

Any Biblical or other reference for your comment that
“The Jews were beyond hedonistic when Christ came the first time” ?

Just curious.

Shmuli on May 3, 2012 at 5:20 PM

And they want four more years of . . . what?

TarheelBen on May 3, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Sticking it to Republicans, I guess, because they’re greedy.

It’s all very eye rolling.

Kensington on May 3, 2012 at 6:35 PM

The Holy Father said the church will probably get smaller. I see Benedict’s point concerning Catholics who continue to place progressive’s social justice ahead of Catholic teaching. It’s just too bad, most will learn their lessons the hard way when the reality of their misguided notions smack them alongside the head.

snuff on May 3, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Wow, that’s going to leave a mark.

Kind of unfair for Rep Gowdy to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed woman. He pwned Sebelius on that one. I normally don’t watch 5+ minute Youtube videos like this; couldn’t put this one down. That was a sight to behold.

AZfederalist on May 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM

the catholic church of today is FOR open borders, the dream act, and social forced equality. what the idiot bishops didn’t realise many years ago, is that progressiveism cannot have an equal, ergo God must be replaced with the state. i have left the catholic church after 54 years after listening to this leftist claptrap in sermons for too long, that’s why you are seeing commercials saying “come back to the church”, well not until they come back from communism!

tm11999 on May 4, 2012 at 7:45 AM

Somebody please explain to me how someone could possibly claim to be Catholic, or simply Christian, and vote for Barack The BabyKiller?!?! 100% NARAL rating??? The only words that come to mind are HYPOCRITE and LIAR!!! Although I have said all along, (D)= LIAR It’s the old joke: How can you tell that a Democrat is LYING? Their lips are moving!?!

Colatteral Damage on May 4, 2012 at 3:30 PM

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