Chen: I can’t help feeling like the U.S. lied to me “a little”

posted at 8:13 pm on May 2, 2012 by Allahpundit

I’ve been following this story all day since Ed’s post this morning and I still can’t keep straight what happened. According to Chen, the U.S. told him his wife would be beaten to death if he didn’t leave the embassy, which makes it sound like he was all but forced to go and left to the mercy of the ChiComs. According to the State Department, no such thing happened. Or did it?

An American official denied that account. The official said Mr. Chen was told that his wife, Yuan Weijing, who had been brought to Beijing by the Chinese authorities while Mr. Chen was in the American Embassy, would not be allowed to remain in the capital unless Mr. Chen left the embassy to see her. She would be sent back to Mr. Chen’s home village in Shandong, where no one could guarantee her safety.

“At no time did any U.S. official speak to Chen about physical or legal threats to his wife and children. Nor did Chinese officials make any such threats to us,” Victoria Nuland, the State Department spokesperson, said in an e-mailed statement. “U.S. interlocutors did make clear that if Chen elected to stay in the Embassy, Chinese officials had indicated to us that his family would be returned to Shandong, and they would lose their opportunity to negotiate for reunification.”…

“At no point during his time in the Embassy did Chen ever request political asylum in the U.S.,” Ms. Nuland said. “At every opportunity, he expressed his desire to stay in China, reunify with his family, continue his education and work for reform in his country. All our diplomacy was directed at putting him in the best possible position to achieve his objectives.”

That sounds like a distinction without a difference. If China was prepared to send his wife back to the village without security, that’s tantamount to saying her life would be in danger if he didn’t leave the embassy. Meanwhile, the NYT claims the deal reached between the Americans and Chinese would allow Chen to relocate to a port city east of Beijing with his family and enroll in school to study law. I’m not sure what the status of that is right now — did the Chinese really agree? is it still in the works? — but Chen himself is dubious enough about it that suddenly he wants out, out, out:

“The embassy kept lobbying me to leave and promised to have people stay with me at the hospital,” he said. “But this afternoon, as soon as I checked into the hospital room, I noticed they were all gone.”

He said he was “very disappointed” in the U.S. government and felt “a little” that he had been lied to by the embassy.

At the hospital, where he was reunited with his family, he said he learned that his wife had been badly treated after his escape.

“She was tied to a chair by police for two days,” he said. “Then they carried thick sticks to our house, threatening to beat her to death. Now they have moved into the house. They eat at our table and use our stuff. Our house is teeming with security — on the roof and in the yard. They installed seven surveillance cameras inside the house and built electric fences around the yard.”

He looked reasonably cheerful in photos with U.S. officials after the deal was made. Then, just a few hours later, he told CNN, “We are in danger. If you can talk to Hillary, I hope she can help my whole family leave China.” The most logical explanation for the sudden turnabout is that China reneged on its deal with the U.S. once they had Chen back in custody, but that would be a huge betrayal at a moment when Hillary’s in the country for talks on a variety of issues. I guess it’s possible that the State Department really did lie to him about the deal to get him out the front door of the embassy, on the theory that preserving good relations between the U.S. and China is more important than saving one dissident from Beijing’s police state. That’s hard to believe, though. If it’s true, it would destroy O’s credibility as a bulwark against China among the Far Eastern nations he’s been courting lately. And if someone in the Department leaked to the media about it, it’d be a huge domestic embarrassment for him and serious campaign artillery for Romney and the GOP. In fact, here’s Boehner’s statement this afternoon hammering O even at a moment when events are in flux:

“Like millions of other Americans, I have followed the story of Chen Guangcheng with admiration for his courage and concern for his safety and that of his family. I am deeply disturbed by the most recent report by the Associated Press, which suggests Chen Guangcheng was pressured to leave the U.S. embassy against his will amid flimsy promises and possible threats of harm to his family. In such a situation, the United States has an obligation to stand with the oppressed, not with the oppressor. Having handed Chen Guangcheng back over to the Chinese government, the Obama administration is responsible for ensuring his safety. While our economic relationship with China is important and vital to the future of people in both countries, the United States has an obligation to use its engagement with China to press for reforms in China’s human rights practices, particularly with respect to the reprehensible ‘one-child’ policy.”

Maybe the State Department calculated that, however horrible it might be to fool Chen into returning to Chinese custody, they had to do it to make sure there won’t be other episodes like this. Realistically, China’s not going to agree to let an infinite number of dissidents apply for asylum in the U.S. It’d be too embarrassing to the regime if its prominent critics started fleeing to its chief rival instead of embracing the ChiCom system. They don’t want to have to deal with this situation again and again and again. But then, neither does the U.S. — it’s too risky for relations with Beijing — and so maybe the terrible decision was made to dissuade other dissidents from thinking they could find safe haven at the embassy by making sure Chen didn’t come out too far ahead this time. I hope that’s not what happened, but I don’t know. Foreign policy is a slimy business.


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Obama lied to me, too… How’s it feel??

Khun Joe on May 2, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Chen: I can’t help feeling like the U.S. lied to me “a little”

Welcome to the club.

Electrongod on May 2, 2012 at 8:15 PM

…there is no truth from the Liar-in-Chief or his people!

KOOLAID2 on May 2, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Yah well we wouldn’t want some blind Chinese dissident screwing up PBHO’s “Aren’t I something for killing Bin Laden” narrative.

Bishop on May 2, 2012 at 8:18 PM

You f’ed up, you trusted Dear Liar.

rbj on May 2, 2012 at 8:19 PM

For God’s sake, it’s obvious. He’s pro-life so he was thrown under the bus. Open your eyes.

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Welcome to our world, here in obamaville, everyday. Sucks to be us, doesn’t it.

msupertas on May 2, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Dude…you’re better off staying in China.

oceansidecon on May 2, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Oh come on, man. Mr. Chen is screwed. Fiscally, the US is China’ s bitch, a status willfully bestowed by China’s financing of the frat boy fiscal dipshittery of our federal government. Barillary can’t afford to offend Sugar Daddy.

CantCureStupid on May 2, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Slimy indeed.

ronval912 on May 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM

That’s hard to believe, though. If it’s true, it would destroy O’s credibility as a bulwark against China among the Far Eastern nations he’s been courting lately. And if someone in the Department leaked to the media about it, it’d be a huge domestic
embarrassment for him

.
OK I’m trying my best, but what is the meaning of :
huge domestic embarrassment for him
and
O’s credibility

burrata on May 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Well, Chen…here’s a bit of insight for you.

You were in the way of a Geithner/Hillary deal with the current Chinese government over being able to get a more money from the Chinese to fund a awesomely huge amount of debt this present government seems to want all of us to take on our backs.

Period.

Perhaps, when all of this blows over and your government finds it convenient to allow you to live…perhaps you may be able to find a “sponsor” in the US and then get in line at the Consulate and file your application for immigration….along with a few million other Chinese.

Bear in mind you have limited skills here in the US…and are blind…and have already “embarrassed” the current US regime…and it seems there is a diminished audience here in the US currently for what you so passionately hold dear.

Perhaps after January, when the present Obamanation is no longer relevant to American politics…and you find a new US President, with actual leadership skills, who is more willing to take you in…you may have a shot at it.

Keep your spirits up.

Never underestimate the efficacy of prayer.

And remember always who screwed you over and why.

When you get your citizenship, eschew the desire to become a Democrat.

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM

John Batchelor show should be good tonite. Frequent guest Gordon Chang is the go-to-guy on all matters Middle Kingdowm.

sbvft contributor on May 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Poor dude. Did he think W was still Prez?

Where’s Richard Gere to kiss Barry’s ass?

budfox on May 2, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Hillary and I have spent the last three and a half years cleaning up after other folks’ messes… We’ve got the strongest allies we’ve ever seen.”
 
- President Barack H. Obama

 
Indeed, Mr. President. Indeed.

rogerb on May 2, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Maybe the U.S. ambassador told Chen that he was going to be sent to Chicago if he was brought to America, and he figured he would be safer in a Chinese gulag.

Bishop on May 2, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Reagan turning over in his grave. He who gave safe haven to many soviet dissidents. I hate that SOB Obama.

sbvft contributor on May 2, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Foreign policy is a slimy business.

specially if it’s a snake who owns that policy

burrata on May 2, 2012 at 8:31 PM

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM

I’m hoping Rush might read that post. It says what we all know but are too frightened to say.

I admire your courage. I hope Chen will be alright, but I think Americans should demand to see the entire family, standing together, immediately.

Politics aside, this is a horrible situation for this family to endure.

Key West Reader on May 2, 2012 at 8:33 PM

burrata on May 2, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I understand and fully agree with your sentiment…but a sea cucumber would be more apt.

Snakes are not slimy and they, unlike our current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, have a backbone.

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Looks like Obama voted “Present” on Mr. Chen.

Sorry Mr. Chen, but your timing really sucks. The America you thought was America is no longer America.

dirtseller on May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Note to GOP:

This is a social issue. Engage on it.

Stoic Patriot on May 2, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Our leaders need to stop acting like we have no cards to play. We have plenty of ways we can hurt China and the idea that we must always jump when they say jump is not going to mean peace, but will only mean war in the future when Chine finally takes things too far (like Japan did in 1941).

We have more power over them than they do us…

William Eaton on May 2, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Chen: I can’t help feeling like the U.S. lied to me “a little”

Welcome to the party pal!

Wigglesworth on May 2, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Chen to relocate to a port city east of Beijing with his family and enroll in school to study law.

If by “Study Law” you mean getting nicely reeducated.

dirtseller on May 2, 2012 at 8:38 PM

michaelo on May 2, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Did not know Wang Lijun’s thwarted defection had been made public.

And these guys in this Administration are still willing to kow-tow with grand elegance to the Powers in Beijing.

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 8:38 PM

If you like your wife, you can keep your wife.

Curtiss on May 2, 2012 at 8:38 PM

They eat dogs in China…what were you thinking Chen???

PatriotRider on May 2, 2012 at 8:38 PM

“At no time did any U.S. official speak to Chen about physical or legal threats to his wife and children. Nor did Chinese officials make any such threats to us,” Victoria Nuland, the State Department spokesperson, said

Bl@@dy State department doesn’t know about China’s one child policy…

ProfessorMiao on May 2, 2012 at 8:39 PM

On the bright side, you might be part of a composite character in his post-presidential memoirs. So there’s that.

rogerb on May 2, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Of course the representatives of the US lied to you. You and your family are doomed. Thanks, liberals and weak kneed people who voted for and do vote for isolationists and liberals. This will be on your heads.

MNDavenotPC on May 2, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Unfortunately, 1) you can’t believe anything that comes from this administration, and 2)they’re nothing but a bunch of opportunists who only care about what is politically advantageous to them. They’ve proven that over and over again.

scalleywag on May 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM

On the bright side, you might be part of a composite character in his post-presidential memoirs. So there’s that.

rogerb on May 2, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Don’t you mean “Compressed” character? Get with the preezy’s lingo, my man.

dirtseller on May 2, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Who remembers Spaso House? Who remembers when America had balls?

29Victor on May 2, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Wow, now you’re really not getting out. Can’t criticize Dear Leader of the Gutsy Call.

WeekendAtBernankes on May 2, 2012 at 8:47 PM

29Victor on May 2, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Good memories. Good memories.

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Remember when we accidentally bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade?

Good times.

Curtiss on May 2, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Sorry, Mr Chen, but the sad truth is that it is impossible to determine whether the Chicom leader or Obama is the bigger liar (but your first-name buddy Hillary is very close behind whichever is in second place).

You should not get your hopes up about getting your family out of there, or, for that matter, about your chances of surviving the next six months or so. Playing on the heartstrings of a progressive administration reflects futility beyond belief.

How could you possibly be stupid enough to let them lure you out of the embassy with such obviously hollow promises? But, I guess it didn’t matter. You are simply the Chinese version of the Reset Button, I’m afraid.

gepaza on May 2, 2012 at 8:53 PM

This link from Drudge says that Romney has called on Obama to guarantee Mr. Chen’s safety. I wasn’t aware of Romney’s remarks but may have missed it today.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b13c7544-942c-11e1-bb0d-00144feab49a.html#axzz1tlLXg3iH

bluefox on May 2, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Remember when Jeane Kirkpatrick had the floor in the Security Council and read off the names of Soviet dissidents under arrest? They couldn’t stop her, but had to wait until she yielded the floor.

“Kirkpatsky” became an inspiration to the dissidents, when word managed to get to them that they were not forgotten.

Wethal on May 2, 2012 at 8:55 PM

SCOAMF channeling Otter:

“Face it, Chen. You f___ed up! You trusted us!”

Rixon on May 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Just a reminder, this is the behavior of the nation Tommy Friedman loves and admires:

“She was tied to a chair by police for two days,” he said. “Then they carried thick sticks to our house, threatening to beat her to death. Now they have moved into the house. They eat at our table and use our stuff. Our house is teeming with security — on the roof and in the yard. They installed seven surveillance cameras inside the house and built electric fences around the yard.”

Sounds idyllic, no?

rcpjr on May 2, 2012 at 8:58 PM

It’d be different in so many ways if this whole episode had taken place in Bujumbura or some other minor capital city anywhere across the globe…such as Teheran.

Fewer people. A lot fewer Westerners. Fewer Chinese. All would add to the difficulty of getting the Chen’s out if the local government took the side of the Chinese. Difficult. Not impossible. But a tough row to hoe when one has to get a high-value person out under the noses of the opposition.

But, Beijing…+14 million people…over a very large area…with thousands of foreigners coming in and leaving each day…huge amount of street traffic compared to a decade or so ago…huge displacement of all sorts of Chinese and foreign commercial activities and facilities.

Less difficult. Not at all bordering on impossible.

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 9:01 PM

It would be a shame if anything happened to that nice wife of yours.

Paul-Cincy on May 2, 2012 at 9:01 PM

If being an American is about believing in certain principles than Chen is more of American than Obama and his merry band of progressives. It sickens me that this man is living in hell for speaking the truth and defending liberty, while we have people like Bill Ayers in this country, living in freedom and happiness, doing his best to destroy freedom for the rest of us. Yes liberals I am such a racist conservative for wanting to trade the Chinese freedom fighter for the aging commie white boy…but I would think this would make both men happier….right?

William Eaton on May 2, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Front page news in the A.M.

Hang in there, Mrs. Chen

Brietbart is Here.

Key West Reader on May 2, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Less difficult. Not at all bordering on impossible.

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Vince Flynn

Key West Reader on May 2, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I haven’t read anything on this gentleman, I am only going by news reports. The media seems to suggest that Mr. Chen has a problem with China’s one child policy. Does that really seem like a protest that this administration would stick their neck out over?

Cindy Munford on May 2, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Vince Flynn

Key West Reader on May 2, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Was looking at saving the Chen’s…not looking for that kill shot.

:-)

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I haven’t read anything on this gentleman, I am only going by news reports. The media seems to suggest that Mr. Chen has a problem with China’s one child policy. Does that really seem like a protest that this administration would stick their neck out over?
Cindy Munford on May 2, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Thinking the same thing

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Cindy Munford on May 2, 2012 at 9:06 PM

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM

This Administration stick its neck out for a pro-lifer???

Maybe this is a warning to all pro-lifers all over the globe…watch yer back. //

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Millions of Americans have been waiting for “Hope and Change” Mr Chen! We have not gotten it and you will not either from this Administration. Take Colbert’s advise and ask the Canadians for asylum!

Momma on May 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Y’all are making me feel better, I haven’t been in the loop for a couple days and I’m not sure I am making judgements on enough “facts”.

Cindy Munford on May 2, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Where are Floating Rock and the rest of the Paulians. I won’t know what to think about this without their input, well theirs and Angyeds.

RickB on May 2, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Was looking at saving the Chen’s…not looking for that kill shot.

:-)

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I hear you.

I want to see the entire Chen family, all together, on all the major networks tomorrow AM.

/Irene

Key West Reader on May 2, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Obama thinks anybody who would want to leave a country where you can eat dog legally must be crazy.

profitsbeard on May 2, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Meanwhile, Secretary of State Clinton seen dancing at local bar!

Momma on May 2, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Snakes are not slimy and they, unlike our current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, have a backbone.

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Obama foreign policy +snake+slime can be explained thusly
Everytime Obama harms USA , he gets happy happy

burrata on May 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Chen: I can’t help feeling like the U.S. lied to me “a little”

Now you know how we feel.

bw222 on May 2, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Obama smart diplomacy: “selling out friends in order to curry favor with enemies” Is this about right?

diogenes on May 2, 2012 at 9:39 PM

burrata on May 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Burrata, my friend, ya just had to go there, din’t you? :-)

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Chen .. Chen .. Chen … This is the Obama era. You’re on your own like the rest of us.

minnesoter on May 2, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Oh and here’s a question for the vaunted Ron Paul…… what would YOU do Mr. Isolationist?

MNDavenotPC on May 2, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Burrata, my friend, ya just had to go there, din’t you? :-)

coldwarrior on May 2, 2012 at 9:43 PM

My sincerest apologies,
but I have always wondered WHAT drives Obama to deliberately harm our country, repeatedly ,
and the only reason I can think of is this

burrata on May 2, 2012 at 9:54 PM

And that is why the national debt is a huge security issue.

PattyJ on May 2, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Greta is having John Bolton on concerning Chen.

bluefox on May 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM

S’okay Chen, Obama lied a little to 300 million Americans too.

Seriously, as long as The Obamessiah is in office, Chinese defectors (or any other defectors for that matter) can only do 1 of 2 things to guarantee protection by the United States of O-merica.

1. Bring along a personal check for $10,000.00 made out to “Barack Obama campaign fund”.

2. Buy an airplane ticket to Mexico City. Leave the airport and head north to the Rio Grande. Wade across the river and get a job “Americans won’t do”.

ohiocon on May 2, 2012 at 10:09 PM

No surprises here. It is an unfortunate fact that my cynicism makes me right much more often than I am wrong. <a http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/02/did-the-obama-administration-abandon-chen/comment-page-2/#comment-5796564

woodNfish on May 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Dude, you ain’t going no where unless there is something really special in it for your masters because they don’t give a damn about hillary and barry.

peacenprosperity on May 2, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Chen: I can’t help feeling like the U.S. lied to me “a little”

Search your feelings Mr. Chen. You were lied to… a lot. You can admit it. We all know.

Lily on May 2, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Were their lips moving? Yep, they lied!

Bambi on May 3, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Dude…you’re better off staying in China.

oceansidecon on May 2, 2012 at 8:25 PM

There may be more truth to that than you realize, unfortunately. The Chinese woke up a long time ago and realized that Communism simply doesn’t work, and they’ve been moving toward capitalist, free-market-based solutions for the past several decades. We’ve been going in the opposite direction, a trend which will only accelerate if the SCOAMF is re-elected and the Democrats take back the House.

China is just starting to emerge from its long, socialistic nightmare. Our nightmare is just beginning.

Hayabusa on May 3, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Bl@@dy State department doesn’t know about China’s one child policy…

ProfessorMiao on May 2, 2012 at 8:39 PM

He apparently has two children, a son and a daughter. Having 2 children is not that uncommon in China, particularly among rural families. China’s so-called ‘one child policy’ isn’t in fact strictly a one-child policy and doesn’t apply to all demographics.

DarkCurrent on May 3, 2012 at 3:46 AM

There’s a principle in international law called “nonrefoulement”. That is, one country is prohibited from sending a person from another country back to his country of origin if he is in danger of persecution. Technically, our government never did that, since Chen never left his country of origin to begin with. But if Chen is telling the truth, then we may have violated the spirit of the principle.

NorthernCross on May 3, 2012 at 5:54 AM

Am I the only one who thought of The Matrix when they saw Guangchen in his sunglasses?

http://woody.typepad.com/my_weblog/2012/05/chen-guangchen-is-morpheus.html

Woody on May 3, 2012 at 7:46 AM

There’s a principle in international law called “nonrefoulement”. That is, one country is prohibited from sending a person from another country back to his country of origin if he is in danger of persecution. Technically, our government never did that, since Chen never left his country of origin to begin with. But if Chen is telling the truth, then we may have violated the spirit of the principle.

NorthernCross on May 3, 2012 at 5:54 AM

I thought an Embassy was considered that country’s country.
Once he got into US Embassy, he had technically left PRC.

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 7:50 AM

Chen: I can’t help feeling like the U.S. lied to me “a little”

Welcome to the club.

Electrongod on May 2, 2012 at 8:15 PM

the only difference is that no one is going to shoot us (yet)

conservative tarheel on May 3, 2012 at 7:51 AM

Why don’t hear from Sean Huntsman on this issue? I’d be a little interested in his take since he used to be Ambassador there.

Bitter Clinger on May 3, 2012 at 7:54 AM

Hu Jintao reached into his back pocket, pulled out a small piece of paper with a very large number written on it.
Said to Hills, ” You give him to us, or I give you this.”
WE should never have put ourselves into a position where our “values” could be compromised in such a fashion.
Sad Day, indeed.

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 8:14 AM

I thought an Embassy was considered that country’s country.
Once he got into US Embassy, he had technically left PRC.

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 7:50 AM

How would he get to the airport and on a plane without crossing back into the PRC? Diplomatic bag? (actually I think I saw that in a movie once)

DarkCurrent on May 3, 2012 at 8:37 AM

DarkCurrent on May 3, 2012 at 8:37 AM

There are ways.

coldwarrior on May 3, 2012 at 8:41 AM

How would he get to the airport and on a plane without crossing back into the PRC? Diplomatic bag? (actually I think I saw that in a movie once)

DarkCurrent on May 3, 2012 at 8:37 AM

This is exactly why, in the past, procedure was to NEVER talk about or admit that someone was indeed IN the Embassy.
Once that cat is out of the bag, options for escape narrow significantly.
We’ve lost our touch.

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 9:41 AM

RESET!!
Oh, wrong country.

askwhatif on May 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

RESET!!
Oh, wrong country.

askwhatif on May 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

No matter. They blew that as well !

Jabberwock on May 3, 2012 at 10:00 AM

He must have shown up at 3AM.

Kissmygrits on May 3, 2012 at 10:09 AM

the only difference is that no one is going to shoot us (yet)

conservative tarheel on May 3, 2012 at 7:51 AM

That is what the Branch Davidians thought too. Of course the government didn’t murder them until after it tortured them for 51 days and nights. Look it up.

woodNfish on May 3, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Still remember that kid in Florida that we wend in guns blazing and deported him back to the beautiful Cuba.

sdbatboy on May 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM

You are fortunate he only lied to you a little. He lies to us big time every day.

rjoco1 on May 3, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Via Twitchy:

Mark Knoller
✔@markknoller Mitt Romney criticizing US handling of Chen Guangcheng case: “If these reports are true, this is a dark day for freedom.”

pambi on May 3, 2012 at 3:05 PM

COOL ! Rep Frank Wolf (R-Virginia’s 10th) thanked our free media for getting this story out and about, and shared his disbelief over how different this would have been under a Reagan admin.. LOL !!
Surely, those comments will make the news !!
OK, maybe only NEW media.

pambi on May 3, 2012 at 3:54 PM

They don’t want to have to deal with this situation again and again and again. But then, neither does the U.S. — it’s too risky for relations with Beijing — and so maybe the terrible decision was made to dissuade other dissidents from thinking they could find safe haven at the embassy by making sure Chen didn’t come out too far ahead this time. I hope that’s not what happened, but I don’t know/blockquote>

I think that’s what happened

Chinese dissidents have no currency in the Obama/DNC playbook. China is not the muslim middle east, or, inner city USA, or USA campuses where Obama’s poster children live

Too bad, because out of the dissidents of China are coming some brilliant and brave minds. I like to read the epoch times to follow some of these folk, their testimonies and their understanding of liberty.

Especially interesting are the nine commentaries, their history of the communist party in China

The articles about The Same Song give an intro into State controlled torture

entagor on May 4, 2012 at 11:41 PM