Can Paul delegates cause mischief at the RNC national convention?

posted at 2:41 pm on May 2, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Last week, I wrote about the Ron Paul movement’s success in Minnesota, organizing effectively to take delegates in the Congressional-district conventions that elect delegate to the big show in Tampa.  Minnesota isn’t the only caucus state where this has taken place, the Washington Times reports, and the Paul campaign may end up with a more significant presence on the campaign floor than the official caucus/primary counts suggest.  Will they be able to create “mischief” on the floor and disrupt Mitt Romney’s smooth ascent to the top of the ticket?

Mitt Romney may be the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, but Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is quietly racking up some organizational victories that could complicate Mr. Romney’s anticipated coronation at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., this summer.

Exploiting party rules, loyalists for the libertarian congressman from Texas in recent days have engineered post-primary organizing coups in states such as Louisiana and Alaska, confirming what party regulars say would be an effort to grab an outsized role in the convention and the party’s platform deliberations.

In Massachusetts, the state where Mr. Romney served as governor, Paul loyalists over the weekend helped block more than half of Mr. Romney’s preferred nominees from being named delegates at state party caucuses — even though Mr. Romney won his home state’s primary with 72 percent of the vote. Many state GOP establishment figures, including longtime state Republican National Committee member Ron Kaufman, won’t be going to Tampa in August as official delegates.

Mr. Paul, who is Mr. Romney’s only active challenger with the expected withdrawal Wednesday of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, “is doing more with less than any modern presidential campaign in recent memory,” said Doug Wead, a Paul campaign adviser who served as an aide to President George H.W. Bush.

“More surprises coming,” Mr. Wead, an evangelical Christian, blogged this week. “It means that Ron Paul will be a factor in Tampa.”

Ralph Hallow writes that a few more surprises might make Paul strong enough to deny Romney a first-ballot nomination, but that’s unlikely.  Massachusetts aside, the Paul campaign has mainly flexed its muscles in states where Romney didn’t do well — and where Rick Santorum succeeded, such as Minnesota, Iowa, Louisiana, and probably Missouri when they hold their fourth or fifth event that will actually select delegates.  The net effect of the Paul conversion will be to weaken Santorum’s influence, not Romney’s.  Romney will win enough bound delegates from primary states to secure the nomination on the first ballot.

At this point, what would Paul gain from disrupting the convention?  He won’t get the nomination, and he’s not going to get the VP slot, either, especially if he disrupts the convention.  Neither will his son Rand, who only just started his first-ever political office.  The Pauls want to play a long game, transferring the movement leadership from father to son, while maintaining their influence with the GOP.  Rand has much more potential than his father ever did within the party, and everyone knows it.

That potential will be destroyed if Ron Paul and his movement derails the convention and it leads to a second Obama term; they will take all of the blame, and they will deserve it if they pursue that strategy.  The Pauls are more rational than that, and they have used a frankly brilliant strategy to lay the groundwork for Rand in the next few cycles.  They played by the rules and won these obscure battles.  The big question — at least here in Minnesota — is whether they will stick around and do the work that these jobs require.  Paul movement members have a reputation for a lack of follow-up in this state, and we’ll see whether that applies after these victories.

This does point out the need to end the caucus system, however.  People who cast presidential-preference ballots in caucus states are almost entirely unaware that backroom machinations could produce a much different result than they intended.  Minnesota and other states that have clung to the antiquated, 19th-century caucus systems — especially states like Iowa, Maine, and Nevada, where the state parties couldn’t properly count their ballots — need to join the 21st century and give Republican voters a direct method to choose their representation in presidential nomination processes.


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this is ridiculous…

Sachiko on May 2, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Yeah, but Newt and Santorum are the real problems. /

totherightofthem on May 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Go Ron Paul!

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Not only is it time to eliminate the caucus system, it’s also time to do away with “cross party voting” in primaries.

De Oppresso Liber on May 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM

I thought Paul was in the bag for Romney.

Funny if you think about it.

Paul is still running.

Newt’s dropping out without an endorsement.

Santorum hasn’t endorsed.

Bachmann (another stalking horse /s) hasn’t endorsed.

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 2:48 PM

So this old ding dong nut is still running? There doesn’t seem to be any news on him at all lately?
paul is just nasty enough to keep his slim doing all they can to plow up snakes!

Thank God, paul isn’t running here in TX again, well that what he said.
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letget on May 2, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Not only is it time to eliminate the caucus system, it’s also time to do away with “cross party voting” in primaries.

De Oppresso Liber on May 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM

How would we keep our precious Dick Lugar, then?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=51184

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Not only is it time to eliminate the caucus system, it’s also time to do away with “cross party voting” in primaries.

De Oppresso Liber on May 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Indeed. I think, however, that some states have laws that allow cross-party voting to occur.

Bitter Clinger on May 2, 2012 at 2:50 PM

I often wonder what it must be like to be as insane and delusional as Paulbots.

Ron Paul supporters are liberals who want their drugs legal and hate Israel. Plain and Simple.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 2, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Thank God, paul isn’t running here in TX again, well that what he said.
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letget on May 2, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I’d be more concerned with Rick Perry and the TX establishment pushing their candidate for Sen on you.

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 2:51 PM

This does point out the need to end the caucus system, however.

I’m not so sure: wise men created the caucus system for a reason, so that a motivated grassroots campaign can compete with the establishment. I don’t want Goldman Sach’s and other corrupt banks picking the nominee’s of both parties, I think the caucus system is fantastic.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Ron Paul supporters are liberals who want their drugs legal and hate Israel. Plain and Simple.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 2, 2012 at 2:51 PM

No, that’s a little too simple. If that’s all it was, they’d just be Democrats.

rhombus on May 2, 2012 at 2:54 PM

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Ha-GRASS roots.

Rusty Allen on May 2, 2012 at 2:56 PM

No, they would not be democrats because democrats aren’t legalizing drugs.

Rusty Allen on May 2, 2012 at 2:57 PM

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 2:51 PM

That is why our house will vote for Ted Cruz! We are not totally brain here!
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letget on May 2, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Yes, the Ronulans are gaming the system. Having practically no voter support, they are basically abusing the caucus system the same way Barack Obama did in 2008.

It is time to get rid of the caucuses and go to elections.

crosspatch on May 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Just one question:

How will we know the difference between them and the OWS anarcho/commies?

LegendHasIt on May 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM

@2:57 s/b brain dead
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letget on May 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Besides the slight possibility of blocking a first-ballot nomination, what other mischief do they want to do? If there are Ron Paul supporters out there willing to expand on this, I’d like to hear what you/RP want to have happen at the convention. FloatingRock?

Fallon on May 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM

They can do plenty to disrupt the convention from the inside.

As for Louisiana, what they won were seats to the state convention. The damage will be more next year, rather than this year.

Kermit on May 2, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Yes, the Ronulans are gaming the system. Having practically no voter support, they are basically abusing the caucus system the same way Barack Obama did in 2008.

It is time to get rid of the caucuses and go to elections.

crosspatch on May 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM

All they’re doing is following the rules that better Republicans than yourself put in place a long time ago.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 3:04 PM

The Nevada Republican State Convention is being held in Reno this Saturday, and the Paulbots have planned to take it over and dominate the selection of delegates to the Republican National Convention.

While the rules state that on the first vote, delegates are required to vote in proportion to the caucus votes, which would mean 20 votes for Romney and eight for Paul, the Ronulans, who say they are all about the rules in trying to dominate the convention, say they will abstain from voting for Romney on the first ballot, or simply switch their vote to Paul when they’re on the floor.

Big article about this in the Reno Gazette Journal over the weekend. Here’s the link, but no guarantee it will work, as yesterday the RGJ went to a pay-for-play model. Here’s an excerpt:

Although the RNC mandates that national delegates must vote in accordance with state primary or caucus results, Ron Paul’s supporters appear to want to push the mandate to the limit.

Bunce suggested that some national delegates who support Paul would have a difficult time voting for Romney on the first ballot, even if they were instructed to do so.

“They might not be Romney supporters,” Bunce said of the national delegates. “The people who have the heart and minds to make it to the national delegation floor, they have a choice to make. Anything is possible at that point.”

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012304290070&nclick_check=1

I’m going to be there as a delegate. It’s going to be messy, I’m sure. These Paulbots annoy me.

Reno_Dave on May 2, 2012 at 3:04 PM

That is why our house will vote for Ted Cruz! We are not totally brain here!
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letget on May 2, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Figured you meant brain dead. My point was that, while I totally understand disagreeing with Ron Paul’s policies, the larger threat to an honest political system may be coming from (IMO) hacks like Perry.

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Go Ron Paul!

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Straight to Hades-or back to Pittsburgh.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Putting the anarcho in anarchocapitalism.

Client Number Nine on May 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Of course the GOP establishment wants to get rid of the caucus system, they don’t want their authoritah to be questioned.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Primary. Winner take all. Republicans only.

rubberneck on May 2, 2012 at 3:07 PM

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:05 PM

I like Perry AND Cruz.
As I said-Herr Doktor and his tin-foil hat cultists can go straight to figurative Hell!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Just go back to sleep…everything will be okay.

dom89031 on May 2, 2012 at 3:08 PM

I like Perry AND Cruz.
As I said-Herr Doktor and his tin-foil hat cultists can go straight to figurative Hell!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Then you have a problem, don’t you?

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Putting the anarcho in anarchocapitalism.

Client Number Nine on May 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM

+100

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Straight to Hades-or back to Pittsburgh.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM

I’m fine with both…

jimver on May 2, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Besides the slight possibility of blocking a first-ballot nomination, what other mischief do they want to do? If there are Ron Paul supporters out there willing to expand on this, I’d like to hear what you/RP want to have happen at the convention.

I suspect they want to put Ron Paul’s name into nomination on the floor, raising his profile, gaining media attention, and setting things up a bit for Rand for later. They probably also want input into the platform and some concessions from Romney. They will probably not carry out any thing really disruptive, but don’t expect for Paul to endorse Romney outright. Rand probably will.

jamesjtyler on May 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM

“cause mischief”

No bias there, huh Ed?

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:05 PM

I do see your point. We will do our part to get the best for our state and nation elected, IOO. That is all we can do but vote, help fund those we feel are the best.

I hope other state voters, who love our nation, feel the same.
Keep/increase the house, get the senate, and get that anti-American bho out come Nov.!
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letget on May 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM

It is indeed time to end the caucus system. Yes yes I know, some people like that it favors grass roots, but it wasn’t picked for that reason in the first place. It was initially picked because it was a cheap, resource efficient way to decide things, and because it did a good job of formalizing the sort of back room deals that were used previously.

The fact of the matter is however, that caucuses are inefficient, disorganized, and are rarely representative of the voters intent. Take North Dakota for instance, Santorum won that state handily, and yet Romney ended up taking the largest chunk of delegates once all the maneuvering was done. Washington State, Romney won by a large margin, but got far fewer delegates than he should have when Paul backers descended upon little known follow-up meetings to decide the fine details.

Sorry, but thats all kinds of screwed up.

WolvenOne on May 2, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I suspect they want to put Ron Paul’s name into nomination on the floor, raising his profile, gaining media attention, and setting things up a bit for Rand for later. They probably also want input into the platform and some concessions from Romney. They will probably not carry out any thing really disruptive, but don’t expect for Paul to endorse Romney outright. Rand probably will.

jamesjtyler on May 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM

A reasonable thought without all of the emotionally based chest-thumping ;)

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I do see your point. We will do our part to get the best for our state and nation elected, IOO. That is all we can do but vote, help fund those we feel are the best.

I hope other state voters, who love our nation, feel the same.
Keep/increase the house, get the senate, and get that anti-American bho out come Nov.!
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letget on May 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Amen! Now, let’s get rid of Lugar and Hatch, too!

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Then you have a problem, don’t you?

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:09 PM

No I don’t.
Yeah-I think that Perry should have endorsed Cruz-but so what. He has as much right his opinion as we have ours
Perry’s still one helluva governor and a patriot!
When he(Perry) starts getting the type of vile endorsements that Herr Doktor always gets-then I’ll have a big problem.
Luvkily for me-neo-nazis, 9/11 truthers, and Holocaust revisionists seem to be quite happy with Ron Paul.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM

OLD MITT-TARD: Caucuses are awesome since Mittens won Iowa and Nevada caucuses and proves he has grassroots support

NEW: Caucuses are horrible because it might hurt Romney in some insignificant way

Flippity flop flop flip. Of course.

angryed on May 2, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Paul’s supporters are playing by the rules the various state parties and national party has put in place. But to someone who favors the status quo establishment (Mr. Morrissey), words like “mischief,” “disrupt,” “derail,” etc. are used for fear mongering and demagoguery purposes. Then there is this phony made-up argument that this is all a ploy to help his son. All of it is a fantasy in the mind of the author.

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Spoilers gonna spoil!

thebrokenrattle on May 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

This is the least of worry for the Mittwits. If Ron Paul goes third party and I hope he do. I’m sure a lot of Mittwits going to cry a river. Just be glade right now that Ron supports has an avenue to vent out their frustration.

True Conservatives or Liberians do not vote for a socialist, gun grabber, and baby killer candidate.

jdun on May 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM

It is indeed time to end the caucus system. Yes yes I know, some people like that it favors grass roots, but it wasn’t picked for that reason in the first place. It was initially picked because it was a cheap, resource efficient way to decide things, and because it did a good job of formalizing the sort of back room deals that were used previously.

The fact of the matter is however, that caucuses are inefficient, disorganized, and are rarely representative of the voters intent. Take North Dakota for instance, Santorum won that state handily, and yet Romney ended up taking the largest chunk of delegates once all the maneuvering was done. Washington State, Romney won by a large margin, but got far fewer delegates than he should have when Paul backers descended upon little known follow-up meetings to decide the fine details.

Sorry, but thats all kinds of screwed up.

WolvenOne on May 2, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Nothing like a little fear to bring out the authoritarians. How about we let the sovereign people of the sovereign states decide for themselves how to select a candidate?

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM

It’s not necessarily the caucus system that is the problem.

Minnesota would be sending a majority of RNC delegates for Santorum, except that RNC rules say we caucused to early to have bound delegates.

thuljunior on May 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Nothing like a little fear to bring out the authoritarians. How about we let the sovereign people of the sovereign states decide for themselves how to select a candidate?

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM

The Mittwits are the same as Obama supporters. Anti-freedom authoritarians thugs.

jdun on May 2, 2012 at 3:22 PM

WolvenOne on May 2, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Go ahead, build your castle walls, close the Republican Party to new ideas and participants and insulate yourselves from challenge and make yourselves irrelevant.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 3:22 PM

There is nothing wrong with the caucus system, except that it is disorganized. It remains the sole bulwark against low information voters that go in and simply fill in the oval that the MSM tells them to. Our founders created a republic, not a democracy, for a reason. Caucuses reward those with the information, drive and work-ethic to compete. After all, all those straw poll voters could have shown up to become delegates at the district and state conventions; they were free to do so, but couldn’t be bothered. Now the estbalishment wants to pull the ladder up behind them, of course.

Firefly_76 on May 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

No I don’t.
Yeah-I think that Perry should have endorsed Cruz-but so what. He has as much right his opinion as we have ours
Perry’s still one helluva governor and a patriot!
When he(Perry) starts getting the type of vile endorsements that Herr Doktor always gets-then I’ll have a big problem.
Luvkily for me-neo-nazis, 9/11 truthers, and Holocaust revisionists seem to be quite happy with Ron Paul.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Sandra Fluke is entitled to her opinion. It doesn’t mean she’s right or that I’d support her.

Is it that you just want to like Perry, so you sort of push the facts aside?

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

For the person that asked what else they can do, look no further than the Washington State GOP convention in 2008. The ronulans came up with all kinds of fun ideas for the party platform that would basically have served as a democrat advertisement if passed.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

WitchDoctor on May 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Hear hear end the cauci

cmsinaz on May 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Rand probably will.

jamesjtyler on May 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM

I’ll eat my hat if Rand endorses Romney.

Firefly_76 on May 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I’ll eat my hat if Rand endorses Romney.

Firefly_76 on May 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Careful. That didn’t work out so well for Jet Boy.

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I know one of the Ron Paul delegates, and not only are they planning on causing “trouble” down in Tampa, they insist that if it’s not Paul as the nominee, that they will not vote for Romney in the general, period!

They insist there is no difference between the two and so 4 more years of Obama won’t be any worse. This could be a problem.

Talk about having the tin foil wrapped a little too tight on the head.

Rockshine on May 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Nothing like a little fear to bring out the authoritarians. How about we let the sovereign people of the sovereign states decide for themselves how to select a candidate?

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM

How did anything WolvenOne suggest anything but allowing the people to select their own candidates? You’re just grumpy that you can’t game the system if it’s a direct election.

BTW, the states are sovereign, but individual people can’t be.

TexasDan on May 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Go Ron Paul!

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Indeed.

Go away.

catmman on May 2, 2012 at 3:34 PM

For the person that asked what else they can do, look no further than the Washington State GOP convention in 2008. The ronulans came up with all kinds of fun ideas for the party platform that would basically have served as a democrat advertisement if passed.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

WitchDoctor on May 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

At the Chelan County Caucus in Washington State, which I participated in, we overwhelmingly voted to remove support of the so-called “Patriot Act” from the county GOP platform. Even the Romney supporters cheered!

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 3:34 PM

…anything that will push our elitists of our party to the right in most matters…can make all the trouble they want.

KOOLAID2 on May 2, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Careful. That didn’t work out so well for Jet Boy.

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Yeah, but I’m not making any you tube promises :-)

Firefly_76 on May 2, 2012 at 3:35 PM

How did anything WolvenOne suggest anything but allowing the people to select their own candidates? You’re just grumpy that you can’t game the system if it’s a direct election.

BTW, the states are sovereign, but individual people can’t be.

TexasDan on May 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Oh, my. You’ve managed to pack a lot of ignorance into so few words. To your question, he stated it in his first sentence: “It is indeed time to end the caucus system.”

Playing by the rules is not gaming the system.

And yes, people are sovereign. “In the American system no government is sovereign. The peoples of the states are the sovereigns. It is they who apportion powers between themselves, their state governments, and the federal government. In doing so they are not impairing their sovereignty in any way. To the contrary, they are exercising it.”

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 3:36 PM

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Perry’s been a good governor who’s been reelcted 3 times-while Ron Paul is so batsh*t crazy that his district was redrawn so that a rational, reasonable conservative will be able to win-but not the psychotic uncle who shouldn’t be let out of the attic.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Paul’s supporters are playing by the rules the various state parties and national party has put in place. But to someone who favors the status quo establishment (Mr. Morrissey), words like “mischief,” “disrupt,” “derail,” etc. are used for fear mongering and demagoguery purposes. Then there is this phony made-up argument that this is all a ploy to help his son. All of it is a fantasy in the mind of the author.

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

A lesser man like Charles Johnson would have banned you from the forum; count your blessings to be able to attack the moderator so venomously

thebrokenrattle on May 2, 2012 at 3:37 PM

For the person that asked what else they can do, look no further than the Washington State GOP convention in 2008. The ronulans came up with all kinds of fun ideas for the party platform that would basically have served as a democrat advertisement if passed.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

WitchDoctor on May 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

It’s all about teams with you. Mu team (R) vs your team (D). As long as my team wins, I’m happy. So what if the two teams are indistinguishable from each other? It’s all about winning!!!

angryed on May 2, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Can they cause mischief? Nothing that would be lasting.

Rule one: Ronulans not only assume they are smart, but assume everyone else is dumb. As if the GOP leadership isn’t aware of their not-so-stealth plan of getting Paul supporters as bound delegates for Romney, then try to have them abstain on the first ballot. As if floor managers aren’t going to be aware of this, or aren’t aware of the Ronulans well ahead of the roll call. As if there isn’t a Romney delegate who would stand up during the roll call and move for a motion to suspend and nominate by acclamation. As if it wouldn’t be seconded by the thousand or so of other Romney delegates. As if the chair (John Boehner, IIRC) wouldn’t accept a vote viva voce and nominate Romney by acclamation.

Which means this whole thing is a combination of rules two and three when it comes to Ronulans:

Rule 2: Whatever can be gamed will be gamed to create the illusion of support for Ron Paul.

Rule 3: Ronluans specialize in nothing better than wasting people’s time.

No, despite the pipe dreams of the Ronulans, the delegate strategery is nothing more than a way for the Paul campaign to keep stringing along their dupes and keep the cash flowing.

JohnTant on May 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

The 9/11 Truther lecturing others about fantasy.

Rich…

catmman on May 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM

How dare those Paul people dare ask that their voice be heard? What a bunch of nutjobs. Next thing you know, they’ll be demanding crazy ideas like a balanced budget. Can you imagine?

angryed on May 2, 2012 at 3:39 PM

I’ll eat my hat if Rand endorses Romney.

Firefly_76

Please film it and post on Youtube.

jamesjtyler on May 2, 2012 at 3:40 PM

How did anything WolvenOne suggest anything but allowing the people to select their own candidates? You’re just grumpy that you can’t game the system if it’s a direct election.

TexasDan on May 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Well for one thing this is the Republican Party, not the Democrat Party. People who desire pure Democracy, tyranny of the majority, already have a home for them in the Democrat Party. The Republican Party is supposed to represent the principles of a Republic.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 3:41 PM

ed your arrogance is yet to subside….
yet it will.

you are going to respect the power of Ron Paul one way or the other.
you need to start begging for forgiveness.
you have no idea what we have planned.
you will however, not like it.

standupandbecounted on May 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Because clearly making it easier for the party establishment to squelch challenges from party outsiders is a good thing. We need more Doles, McCains, and Romneys running the party. That sure has worked out well.

soladoras on May 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM

ed your arrogance is yet to subside….
yet it will.

you are going to respect the power of Ron Paul one way or the other.
you need to start begging for forgiveness.
you have no idea what we have planned.
you will however, not like it.

standupandbecounted on May 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM

You forgot the scary organ music and the ominous Vincent Price voice.

LOL…at you.

JohnTant on May 2, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Rule one: Ronulans not only assume they are smart, but assume everyone else is dumb. As if the GOP leadership isn’t aware of their not-so-stealth plan…

JohnTant on May 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM

It doesn’t matter if they know, all the corporate donations of corrupt banks, insurance and healthcare companies can’t buy feet on the ground. The grass-roots hate Romney, even if a lot of them are no fan of Paul, and aren’t going to turn out for Romney, the Obama clone with white skin.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 3:45 PM

It doesn’t matter if they know, all the corporate donations of corrupt banks, insurance and healthcare companies can’t buy feet on the ground. The grass-roots hate Romney, even if a lot of them are no fan of Paul, and aren’t going to turn out for Romney, the Obama clone with white skin.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Ron Paul has received 1,337k votes (or 10.61% of all primary votes) so far.

Paul doesn’t have a lot of feet on the ground. He has dupes trying to gain influence in greater proportion than their numbers.

JohnTant on May 2, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Paul is playing by the rules. That’s what they are there for.

Santorum and Gingrich couldn’t even make the Virginia ballot after living in the state a combined 40 years. It is hardly surprising they have no organizations on the ground anywhere. They are creatures of the open-floor media-run debates only.

The Santorum backers are lucky he dropped out, because he may not win any of the state delegations where he “won” non-binding primary or caucus votes earlier. Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, and Louisiana are already shaky or lost.

Adjoran on May 2, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Why do people only bring up the worst parts of Ron Paul’s platform in these discussions, and never the best? Yes, his foreign policy sucks, but his small-government, budget-balancing ideas are music to conservative ears, and he is a pro-life stalwart. Certain candidates – not to point fingers – could benefit a lot by adopting some of it.

Archivarix on May 2, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Paul will endorse Romney in exchange for some give and take on the platform and a good speaking slot for Rand.

Adjoran on May 2, 2012 at 3:50 PM

I’ll eat my hat if Ron Paul endorses Romney.

jamesjtyler on May 2, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Okay, apparently people took what I said and made some odd assumptions. No I don’t want states, “forced,” to end the caucus system, I want them to decide against it on their own initiative. Sadly some states aren’t going to have that option.

Here in Idaho, our laws are set up in a way that makes primaries before a certain date essentially illegal. This year we held a caucus on Super Tuesday, and the participation rate was immense. In fact it was too high for the caucus system to handle. People kept showing up well after the doors closed, and most locations didn’t end voting until near midnight as a result. In short it was a disorganized, chaotic, clumsy mess, and the complaints were so rampant that local news papers ended up talking about it for days.

Yet we cannot switch to a primary system, because of the aforementioned obscure laws.

So no, I’m against, “forcing,” states to adopt ANY voting system. As a purely practical matter however, I’d like to see states drop caucuses altogether. I’m simply of the opinion that they’re an obsolete method of voting that is inconvenient for voters and makes it easier to small minorities to disenfranchise the will of the voter.

WolvenOne on May 2, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Will they be able to create “mischief” on the floor and disrupt Mitt Romney’s smooth ascent to the top of the ticket?

I can only hope so. All along, RP has said he was going after the delegates more so than just seeking the nomination. The establishment blew that off as wishful thinking.

At this point, what would Paul gain from disrupting the convention? He won’t get the nomination, and he’s not going to get the VP slot, either, especially if he disrupts the convention.

Wrong question. What would Americans gain? America’s last chance to nominate a conservative.

AH_C on May 2, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Paul doesn’t have a lot of feet on the ground. He has dupes trying to gain influence in greater proportion than their numbers.

JohnTant on May 2, 2012 at 3:48 PM

They have more feet on the ground than your crappy candidate, obviously.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 3:56 PM

They have more feet on the ground than your crappy candidate, obviously.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 3:56 PM

And just who is “my” candidate?

Thanks for proving Rule 1 again. You demolish your credibility without even realizing it!

JohnTant on May 2, 2012 at 3:57 PM

And just who is “my” candidate?

Thanks for proving Rule 1 again. You demolish your credibility without even realizing it!

JohnTant on May 2, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Why does it matter who your candidate is, and how does your choice of candidate “Demolish [my] credibility”, in any way whatsoever?

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 4:00 PM

How dare those Paul people dare ask that their voice be heard? What a bunch of nutjobs. Next thing you know, they’ll be demanding crazy ideas like a balanced budget. Can you imagine?

angryed on May 2, 2012 at 3:39 PM
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We are need of some good conspiracy distraction for sure.
But not in Tampa.

FlaMurph on May 2, 2012 at 4:00 PM

standupandbecounted on May 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM

I’m sure that your warning/threat has Ed quaking in his boots because he’s soooo scared.
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annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Perry’s been a good governor who’s been reelcted 3 times-while Ron Paul is so batsh*t crazy that his district was redrawn so that a rational, reasonable conservative will be able to win-but not the psychotic uncle who shouldn’t be let out of the attic.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 3:37 PM

It’s not becoming to mock the crazy ;)

MeatHeadinCA on May 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Why does it matter who your candidate is, and how does your choice of candidate “Demolish [my] credibility”, in any way whatsoever?

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 4:00 PM

You brought up “my” candidate and thought yourself so wise and all-knowing that you know exactly who that candidate is.

If it doesn’t matter, why’d you bring it up?

And here we go headlong into Rule 3. You are really turning into a parody of yourself. All that’s missing is for you to call me a Constitution-hater.

JohnTant on May 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Hey Ed…Remember when you said Paul was just a stalking horse for Romney? Care to retract your dumb conspiracy theory now? Oh never mind. You are just coming up with NEW conspiracies based on absolutely nothing. Ridiculous.

As a Paul supporter, please enlighten me on what it is in Mitt Romney’s record as governor of MA that should make me feel comfortable voting for him. Please try to explain without resorting to “He’s not Obama!”.

iwasbornwithit on May 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM

You brought up “my” candidate and thought yourself so wise and all-knowing that you know exactly who that candidate is.

If it doesn’t matter, why’d you bring it up?

JohnTant on May 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM

It doesn’t matter who your candidate is because if Ron Paul didn’t have more feet on the ground the GOP establishment types wouldn’t be complaining. They’re only complaining because Ron Paul has more grass-roots supporters than they do. That’s why they want to lock themselves up in their own little castle and fill the moat, so they can continue to party in their own insulated little world while the world burns around them.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM

There is nothing wrong with the caucus system, except that it is disorganized. It remains the sole bulwark against low information voters that go in and simply fill in the oval that the MSM tells them to. Our founders created a republic, not a democracy, for a reason. Caucuses reward those with the information, drive and work-ethic to compete. After all, all those straw poll voters could have shown up to become delegates at the district and state conventions; they were free to do so, but couldn’t be bothered. Now the estbalishment wants to pull the ladder up behind them, of course.

Firefly_76 on May 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Paul is playing by the rules. That’s what they are there for.

Santorum and Gingrich couldn’t even make the Virginia ballot after living in the state a combined 40 years. It is hardly surprising they have no organizations on the ground anywhere. They are creatures of the open-floor media-run debates only.

The Santorum backers are lucky he dropped out, because he may not win any of the state delegations where he “won” non-binding primary or caucus votes earlier. Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, and Louisiana are already shaky or lost.

Adjoran on May 2, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Here the Establishment is once again dissing the base.

The rules were fair. Romney is supposed to have the best organization but evidently not. Evidently Paul is better organized.

So what is the Establishment response.

Let’s change the rules to screw Ron Paul.

No wonder no Establishment Republican has won since the corrupt Nixon. If they had their way there would be no election their man would just get the nomination period.

We are so screwed. Worst President in American History and we will be stuck with him because all the Establishment wants to do is fight with the base.

Steveangell on May 2, 2012 at 4:15 PM

ed your arrogance is yet to subside….
yet it will.

you are going to respect the power of Ron Paul one way or the other.
you need to start begging for forgiveness.
you have no idea what we have planned.
you will however, not like it.

standupandbecounted on May 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM

my oh my that sounds like a threat, pray tell Paulbot what menacing threat do you have planned for us non-paul fans?

golembythehudson on May 2, 2012 at 4:16 PM

The 9/11 Truther lecturing others about fantasy.

Rich…

catmman on May 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM

I’m not a truther, so why do you always lie? Is it because you lack an ability to discuss?

Dante on May 2, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Why do people only bring up the worst parts of Ron Paul’s platform in these discussions, and never the best?
Archivarix on May 2, 2012 at 3:49 PM

when somebody decides to write columns for a holocaust denying magazine as Paul did for many years (spotlight), just as one small example amongst many, it tends to turn people off from his other messages, kind of like a pedophile giving advice on child nutrition, it might be sound advice, but he’s still a pedophile, that’s the best way i can describe it.

golembythehudson on May 2, 2012 at 4:22 PM

golembythehudson on May 2, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Are you skeerd? I’m skeerd-NOT!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 2, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Ron Paul actually has principles and ideals he seeks to promote.

The goal is simply to take over the GOP in these states.

THAT’S HIS JOB.

Not for himself. Not for his son. But for the country.

He wants US to do the heavy lifting.

He wants US to understand how you defend liberty.

And he’s currently playing THE GAME that THE GOP set up.

SO STOP YOUR SNIVELING AND WHINING.

To claim he’s doing anything wrong is absurd.

Voting for Obama’s clone in Mitt Romney is what’s absurd.

You spend years complaining about Obamacare..

Only to support the guy who CREATED IT at the state level!

Do you not realize how you’re being manipulated?

Obama and Romney are one in the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IWDJEc92d38

They’re backed by the same elites of Goldman Sachs and Bros.

Why? Because they’re there to “manage the decline of the U.S.”

They won’t and can’t change anything in a drastic way which will alter our current track toward insolvency.

Romney will just as easily get us involved in a 3rd world war, as Obama will.

It does not matter who you pick. Obama, Romney.

It’s just an illusion of a choice to keep you from rioting.

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA OR ROMNEY.

PERIOD.

fatlibertarianinokc on May 2, 2012 at 4:31 PM

catmman on May 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Hey did you ever start sending in your money to the US Treasury since you’re so patriotic? I tried to help you by giving you their contact info. Thanks in advance.

iwasbornwithit on May 2, 2012 at 4:33 PM

golembythehudson on May 2, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Can you link to the Spotlight articles that he wrote?

iwasbornwithit on May 2, 2012 at 4:34 PM

My head is kind of spinning from the silliness of some assertions I have seen in this thread so far.

To say the Caucus system was created to combat the “Establishment” is downright Orwellian.

RightWay79 on May 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM

To say the Caucus system was created to combat the “Establishment” is downright Orwellian.

RightWay79 on May 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM

It’s Orwellian to say it’s Orwellian. Or, well, maybe you could explain the basis for your opinion instead of just asserting it without any evidence.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Can you link to the Spotlight articles that he wrote?

iwasbornwithit on May 2, 2012 at 4:34 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press

i don’t have archived copies but i’m sure they are out there, the man has a decades old connection with these people

golembythehudson on May 2, 2012 at 4:47 PM

With all the millions of dollars that corrupt bailed-out banks like Goldman Sachs and corrupt insurance and healthcare companies donate to Romney, Romney still can’t buy the grass-roots support that Ron Paul earned the genuine old fashioned way.

FloatingRock on May 2, 2012 at 4:50 PM

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