Football spiked: Obama to address nation on Bin Laden anniversary live from Afghanistan

posted at 3:35 pm on May 1, 2012 by Allahpundit

The official reason for the trip is to sign the new strategic partnership agreement with Karzai, but of course that doesn’t require his physical presence in Afghanistan. We all know why he’s there and why he chose today to visit. One word: Scoreboard.

Hope he has a giant photo of Bin Laden with his eyeball hanging out set up as a backdrop for the speech, just in case the very low-information voters watching at home are slow on the uptake about what they’re supposed to glean from this speech.

President Barack Obama is in Afghanistan for a whirlwind visit that will culminate in a live, televised address to the American people.

Obama is expected to sign a strategic partnership agreement shortly with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.Obama’s scheduled to speak to the nation just after 7:30 p.m., eastern time, from Bagram airbase.

Pool, which assembled Monday night at Andrews, has been under an embargo preventing reporting of the trip up til now.

Obama left at 12:09 AM Tuesday morning. And arrived at Bagram at 10:20 pm local time.

It was smart to key this to the partnership agreement since now he’ll have a big stage to announce a significant drawdown of American troops, which should please swing voters. You can see the political message coming: We won in Afghanistan by killing Bin Laden and destroying his network so now we can responsibly and victoriously withdraw. It’s a two-fer — an end-zone dance over Al Qaeda’s deterioration and an unofficial declaration that the war is ending and the boys are coming home. Shrewd politics. If he pulls out Bin Laden’s empty skull and sets it on the podium, you can probably call the election right now.

Stand by for updates.

Update: Before he declares victory, can we get a final accounting on just how many Afghan soldiers have fired at their American mentors? According to the AP, the Pentagon’s been conspicuously quiet about non-lethal “green on blue” attacks.

I’d be keen to hear O’s and Panetta’s reaction to this Guardian piece too before those ephemeral peace talks with the Taliban start heating up again:

Documents found in the house where Osama bin Laden was killed a year ago show a close working relationship between top al-Qaida leaders and Mullah Omar, the overall commander of the Taliban, including frequent discussions of joint operations against Nato forces in Afghanistan, the Afghan government and targets in Pakistan…

The news will undermine hopes of a negotiated peace in Afghanistan, where the key debate among analysts and policymakers is whether the Taliban – seen by many as following an Afghan nationalist agenda – might once again offer a safe haven to al-Qaida or like-minded militants, or whether they can be persuaded to renounce terrorism…

“Questions and issues come up. They don’t see eye to eye on everything but it’s clear they understand they have an interest in co-operating [on attacks against Nato, Afghan government and Pakistani targets],” the source said. “Of those engaged in the conversation, two [Zawahiri and Omar] are still alive today and there is no reason to believe that either has substantially changed his views in the last year.”

The Taliban’s never going to turn on Al Qaeda.

Update: BuzzFeed’s Michael Hastings hears from some SEALs that they’re getting tired of Obama’s end-zone dance:

The frustration—or, even anger—within the SEAL community is real, and has been brewing for months, particularly among a politically conservative core of operators. It started immediately after the raid, with questions among the Special Forces and intelligence community of whether the president should have waited to announce the kill to exploit the intelligence cache at Osama’s compound. It simmered after a Chinook helicopter was shot down, killing 30 Americans, 22 of them Navy SEALs from Team Six…

Over the past few days, I’ve reached out to a number of SEALs, both active duty and former. Most active duty SEALs were reluctant to go on the record venting or praising their boss, but one of the most interesting responses I received from an operator was to direct me to Leif Babin, a SEAL who left active duty last year.

Babin, who runs the consulting firm Echelon Front, wrote a little noticed op-ed in Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal four months ago. The headline: OBAMA EXPLOITS THE NAVY SEALS. Babin took aim at “the president and his advisors, writing: “It is infuriating to see political gain put above the safety and security of our brave warriors and our long-term strategic goals.”

Update: Obama, Biden, Panetta, Hillary, Jack Lew, Ryan Crocker: Imagine it.


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Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 4:43 PM

They’ll believe the sky is burgundy, if Obama says so.

However, you do the best job downing them, with facts.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Gerry, you need to lock them in a closet on 11/6. Someday they’ll thank you for it.

I would but they live in Ohio and I live in Ma.how they got there is another story.

gerrym51 on May 1, 2012 at 4:48 PM

You do know that term is now understood as meaning to denigrate someone through false stories…right?
I won’t be surprised if you don’t.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:26 PM

..you do remember how it was used to unravel JFkerry’s campaign, don’t you? Or is that too nuanced for you?

The War Planner on May 1, 2012 at 4:49 PM

I would but they live in Ohio and I live in Ma.how they got there is another story.

gerrym51 on May 1, 2012 at 4:48 PM

I live in Ohio. I can lock them up for you. No charge.

Bitter Clinger on May 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM

we lost more soldiers because we started taking the war seriously, and shipped more personnel there to launch an offensive? just a hunch.

sesquipedalian on May 1, 2012 at 4:18 PM

So THAT’S why you miserable scumf**ks spent years citing the death total for Iraq. We “started taking the war seriously”. Funny how you didn’t mention that concept at the time, you pathetic hypocrite.

MadisonConservative on May 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Bloodiest month in Afghanistan not reported, covered up by WH and the media. Spontaneously combust.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Give Obama a break, guys. I don’t think this is really about spiking the football. I hear the Afghan hound kabobs are fabulous.

bitsy on May 1, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Redskins.

How racist.

BobMbx on May 1, 2012 at 4:51 PM

haters gonna hate

DBear on May 1, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Yeah, Liberals are like that.

Gunlock Bill on May 1, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Not worth discussing with you. You are to far gone down the rabbit whole of conspiracy theories and believing everything lefty blogs tell you.

But you can keep fighting the 04 election while your idiot – Obama – the most dishonest, incompetent, ignorant person to be president in at least 100 years – loses the ’12 election. That’s fine with me.

Monkeytoe on May 1, 2012 at 4:46 PM

..love it when these trolls get wrapped around the axle like this, don’t you? Remember this: if they’re explaining, they’re losing. This far into the weeds means they’re in dire need of a good compass.

The War Planner on May 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM

easily manipulable idiot.

sesquipedalian on May 1, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Expert on same checks in.

Oh, and to answer your question from 4:44…

Before Gen. Stanley McChrystal made the fatal mistake of venting to Rolling Stone magazine, warriors in Afghanistan say he was guilty of an even a bigger blunder.

The four-star general put in place a series of restrictions on troops in the form of new rules of engagement (ROE). War fighters complain the rules have prevented them from taking on the Taliban full-bore in some instances, and have contributed to the enemy’s resurgence. For their part, the Taliban has read the ROE and know how to exploit them.

Gen. David Petraeus, tapped to replace McChrystal after President Obama fired him last week, vowed Tuesday to take a hard look at the rules which came in “tactical directives” from McChrystal to unit commanders.

In a message to troops and their families who believe the ROE have led to unneeded battlefield defeats and deaths, Petraeus pledged before the Senate Armed Services Committee that he will “look very hard” at the restrictions. He offered no specific changes.

“I want to assure the mothers and fathers of those fighting in Afghanistan that I see it as a moral imperative to bring all assets to bear to protect our men and women in uniform and the Afghan security forces with whom …. troopers are fighting shoulder-to-shoulder,” he testified at his confirmation hearing. “Those on the ground must have all the support they need when they are in a tough situation.”

He said that after Obama nominated him last week one of the first issues he discussed with Afghan President Hamid Karzai was the ROE.

“I mention this because I am keenly aware of concerns by some of our troopers on the ground about the application of our rules of engagement and the tactical directive,” he said. “They should know that I will look very hard at this issue.”

-snip-

McChrystal heeded Karzai. Step by step, he started to change the way troops conducted counter-insurgency.

First, he greatly restricted air strikes in support of ground troops, because mistaken bombings accounted for many civilian deaths. Then he put new limits on night operations on the theory that daytime fire fights were less likely to result in the death of innocent civilians.

In another move, he discouraged attacks on homes where terrorists were holed up. Such raids can end up destroying the simply built abodes, as well as the Taliban. Again, the idea here was that sparing civilian lives and homes will help convince the average Afghan to become an ally.

More galling to soldiers was a rule that they cannot shoot an unarmed man putting in place an improvised explosive device (IED)—even though such bombs kill the most NATO troops.

While the rules may have lofty goals, they are hated in the field.

A military intelligence officer told Human Events that McChrystal’s ROE, and the involvement they demand from military lawyers in approving targets, is a major factor in why the U.S. is not winning.

“The ROE, lawyers, and bureaucrats are killing us,” this officer said. “We’re fighting a cultural battle we have yet to come to grips with.”

An Army special operations soldier who has served in Afghanistan had this bitter assessment:

“If soldiers in contact need an air strike or a fire mission, give it to them. Don’t deny them illumination or smoke because a canister might land on a civilian.”

But you knew that.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM

OBAMA EXPLOITS THE NAVY SEALS. Babin took aim at “the president and his advisors, writing: “It is infuriating to see political gain put above the safety and security of our brave warriors and our long-term strategic goals.”

Political gain is the long-term strategic goal. Everything else is just part of the journey.

BobMbx on May 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM

You do know that term is now understood as meaning to denigrate someone through false stories…right?
I won’t be surprised if you don’t.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Who cares what leftie wiki says?

If the SEALs swiftboat the biggest narcissistic eunuch in the world, thei’ll wear the biggest feather, for good reason. They’ll do the world and especially their land a huuuuge favor.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM

i was expecting evidence linking US deaths to changes in the roe, but all i see is a report on mcchrystal implementing a version of petraeus’s iraq surge, the main objective of which was to protect civilians.

you gotta have more, surely.

sesquipedalian on May 1, 2012 at 4:44 PM

In Iraq, US troops were not under obligation to retreat from enemies in civilian areas.

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I would but they live in Ohio and I live in Ma.how they got there is another story.

gerrym51 on May 1, 2012 at 4:48 PM

They live in a crucial must-win swing state? You better take Bitter Clinger up on his offer.

Kataklysmic on May 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I’m interested if sesquipedalian knows the Afghanistan body count by heart yet.

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 4:54 PM

If the SEALs swiftboat the biggest narcissistic eunuch in the world, thei’ll wear the biggest feather, for good reason. They’ll do the world and especially their land a huuuuge favor.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM

..thanks for watchin’ my back, bro’!

The War Planner on May 1, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Regardless, Kerry brought that on himself by portraying himself as a war hero. If he did not go so overboard with the whole “I’m a war hero, vote for me” then the counter argument by those who served with him would not have been so effective.

Monkeytoe on May 1, 2012 at 4:42 PM

People seem to be selective about what constitutes ‘hero’ or ‘serving’ one’s country.
I’m not a big fan of Kerry. But even if you just remove all the debatable bits…or what was or was embellished or mis-remembered, you are still left with a guy who despite his privileged upbringing etc. which could have easily been used to avoid serving –
he volunteered and requested combat service in Viet Nam – where he got shot at with real bullets. He then protested based on a conviction about that war that is now fully in line with conventional wisdom.
That a guy like that can then be accused of being a coward or whatever, is just unbelievable – and unacceptable.
It remains a shining example of how low people can go in efforts to destroy those they disagree with politically.
(Hot Air maven Michelle Malkin swam gleefully in that muck.)

But anyway – no need to get into all that…
Forget I mentioned it.
:)

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Monkeytoe – what are you doing be all rational and sensible about things?
That’s not gonna fly here.
It’s only ‘political’ or ‘offensive’ when Obama does this stuff – or thanks the troops, etc.
When Bush did the same thing…he was just a patriot loving his country…get it?
And when Romney – after all his wining about Obama bringing up the OBL mission – meets with Rudy G. at an NYC firehouse this week, why that won’t be political at all. Of course not.
I think the two of them planned all this long before Romney even thought about running for office. He’d be there regardless…I’m sure.

I wasn’t aware of Romney passing the visit off as a business expense to his company. The problem isn’t that Obama engages in politics. It’s that he engages in politics/campaigning and tries to pass it off as official business.

weaselyone on May 1, 2012 at 4:55 PM

You do know that term is now understood as meaning to denigrate someone through false stories…right?
I won’t be surprised if you don’t.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:26 PM

False stories? Let’s see. Kerry claiming for years that he went on secret missions with the CIA, even though he was just navy officer with no special ops training or langusage skills (other than Franch, perhaps).

Kerry claiming he sat in Cambodia with the CIA during Christmas 1968, listening to Pres. Nixon on the radio claim the US wasn’t in Cambodia, even though Nixon wasn’t sworn in as president until 1/20/69. Those kind of false stories?

And then there’s the “magic hat” he claimed to carry around in his briefcase…

Wethal on May 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Ooo you’re good. A prince of a commenter

bluealice on May 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Funny how you didn’t mention that concept at the time, you pathetic hypocrite.

MadisonConservative on May 1, 2012 at 4:50 PM

i did not have the pleasure to communicate with you at the time, so i’m not at all shocked that you don’t remember what i said then.

btw, i thought you were banned. glad to see they’re still letting you pollute this site (even though they kicked you out of the green room fever swamps when you were getting too embarrassing).

sesquipedalian on May 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Wethal on May 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Save the baloney.
And see

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:55 PM

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM

C’mon guys, this speech is cutting deep into the beauty sleep of Boy Wonder.

Hopefully the jet lag will lead to some honesty leaking out during the speech…

BobMbx on May 1, 2012 at 4:58 PM

I just heard him on TV addressing the Afghan people. What an arrogant jerk. I will crawl over hot coals and through broken glass to ensure we don’t have to listen to this inept man any more.

bopbottle on May 1, 2012 at 4:58 PM

BHO just jumped the shark.

WC on May 1, 2012 at 4:58 PM

I wasn’t aware of Romney passing the visit off as a business expense to his company. The problem isn’t that Obama engages in politics. It’s that he engages in politics/campaigning and tries to pass it off as official business.

weaselyone on May 1, 2012 at 4:55 PM

I don’t think this angle has legs anymore –
seems to be alive a little on Breitbart – but then again, what isn’t.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:59 PM

People seem to be selective about what constitutes ‘hero’ or ‘serving’ one’s country.
I’m not a big fan of Kerry. But even if you just remove all the debatable bits…or what was or was embellished or mis-remembered, you are still left with a guy who despite his privileged upbringing etc. which could have easily been used to avoid serving –
he volunteered and requested combat service in Viet Nam – where he got shot at with real bullets. He then protested based on a conviction about that war that is now fully in line with conventional wisdom.
That a guy like that can then be accused of being a coward or whatever, is just unbelievable – and unacceptable.
It remains a shining example of how low people can go in efforts to destroy those they disagree with politically.
(Hot Air maven Michelle Malkin swam gleefully in that muck.)

But anyway – no need to get into all that…
Forget I mentioned it.
:)

And here I thought it was other veterans who served with Kerry who actually called Kerry’s service into question.

Nevermind them, they weren’t born with a silver spoon in their mouth and they would have had to be there anyway.

weaselyone on May 1, 2012 at 4:59 PM

He then protested based on a conviction about that war that is now fully in line with conventional wisdom.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:55 PM

He lied about his fellow servicemen, schmuck. Doing that tends to pi$$ off some of those folks who served over there and lost fellow soldiers.

Bitter Clinger on May 1, 2012 at 4:59 PM

You do know that term is now understood as meaning to denigrate someone through false stories…right?
I won’t be surprised if you don’t.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:26 PM

yes, and quantum leap is ‘understood’ to mean a huge jump, when in reality it is the smallest state change possible.

But then you idiots believe global warming too.

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 5:00 PM

But you knew that.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM

you didn’t link it because you knew i’d notice it was from a propaganda outlet, right? in any case, i was looking for some evidence (not hearsay from grunts). of course you don’t have any, so don’t bother copy-pasting from human events, wnd and your other similarly reputable go-to sources.

sesquipedalian on May 1, 2012 at 5:01 PM

..thanks for watchin’ my back, bro’!

The War Planner on May 1, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Always at the barricade with you, even when we disagree :) You can count on it!

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2012 at 5:01 PM

“strategic partnership” = HUGE waste of money, lives, and material. Might as well print more money and toss it into a fire.

rammerjammer on May 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM

https://twitter.com/zekejmiller/status/197430384311533569

Obama to troops: “I know the battle is not yet over. Some of your buddies are going to get injured. some of your buddies may get killed.”

Pep talk.

rubberneck on May 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Shameless POS.

How many fundraisers will he hold while he’s over there?

petefrt on May 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Obama wanted the media to keep quiet about his visit to Afghanistan — for security reasons — yet, he disclosed that Seal Team Six killed OBL.

Of course, 22 SEALS were killed 3 months later because of this.

faraway on May 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM

just switched over to tingles….

he sure is proud….

switching back to wolfie who is tingling as well…

cmsinaz on May 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM

How much is the fine for inappropriate celebration?

One term.

Jim Treacher on May 1, 2012 at 4:32 PM

______________________________

Thread winnah!!!!

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 1, 2012 at 5:03 PM

faraway on May 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM

pi$$es me off…

don’t spike that football
-dear leader

cmsinaz on May 1, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Bitter Clinger on May 1, 2012 at 4:59 PM

weaselyone on May 1, 2012 at 4:59 PM

If you ever meet the guy, based on actual facts just thank him for his service.
Then go back to the conspiracy blogs to satisfy your needs.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 5:03 PM

so don’t bother copy-pasting from human events, wnd and your other similarly reputable go-to sources.

sesquipedalian on May 1, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Flukes don’t decide what is “reputable”.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Has sesquipedalian replaced the equally smart ass troll, angryedster?

tomshup on May 1, 2012 at 5:04 PM

What did I miss?
rogerb on May 1, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Del’s EN FUEGO !!
:-)

pambi on May 1, 2012 at 5:04 PM

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 1, 2012 at 5:03 PM

2nd that buddy

go treacher!

cmsinaz on May 1, 2012 at 5:04 PM

WC on May 1, 2012 at 4:58 PM

again..?

affenhauer on May 1, 2012 at 5:04 PM

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM

The reason he volunteered for combat duty was because he had poltical plans, and as a junior officer on a ship off Vietnam, he would not get the heroic exploits he needed to run a JFK-type, PT109 campaign. So he volunteered for the river boats, and had a friend shoot Super 8 films of him in the jungle (campaign ads).

But when he found out the river boats were going deep up river, and there was a real possibility of being captured by the Viet Cong, he started playing the Purple Heart game. Three and you’re out. One was for a cut on his hand. The medic put a bandaid on it.

And he didn’t protest the war. He lied under oath before the senate to accuse his former comrades in arms, still back in Vietnam, of war crimes, including murder and mutiliation.

He claimed to have thrown his medals over the WH fence, and later said it was just the ribbon.

Spare me the baloney.

Wethal on May 1, 2012 at 5:04 PM

But then you idiots believe global warming too.

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Ha…the irony.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 5:05 PM

HOW MUCH did this end dance cost the tax payers ???
any numbers ?

Couldn’t this be a campaign related trip, as it was setup and discussed during other campaign related activities for the Commie in Chief ??

FlaMurph on May 1, 2012 at 5:05 PM

But even if you just remove all the debatable bits…or what was or was embellished or mis-remembered, you are still left with a guy who despite his privileged upbringing etc. which could have easily been used to avoid serving –

he volunteered and requested combat service in Viet Nam – where he got shot at with real bullets. He then protested based on a conviction about that war that is now fully in line with conventional wisdom.

That a guy like that can then be accused of being a coward or whatever, is just unbelievable – and unacceptable.

It remains a shining example of how low people can go in efforts to destroy those they disagree with politically.

(Hot Air maven Michelle Malkin swam gleefully in that muck.)

But anyway – no need to get into all that…
Forget I mentioned it.
:)

Teresa Heinz Kerri on May 1, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Wow, so much utter ignorance and lying in one post. I don’t know where to start.

The only reason JF Kerry “volunteered” to go to Vietnam in the first place was so that he could use his service there in future political campaigns. He even brought a movie camera with him so he could film re-enacted “battle scenes”. That film was decades later screened at the 2004 DNC Convention.

Tedd Peck, who served in the Swift Boats at the same time, noted:

“He found [the grenades] and wanted to make himself look like a gungho John Wayne,” said Peck, who said he didn’t like Kerry from the start. “That’s what it is, Hollywood.”

Peck said he and his colleagues thought it was odd that Kerry took the camera with him on patrol.

“He was carefully getting his heroics down,” Peck said.

Kerry’s 8-millimeter films show him with grenades hanging from a flack jacket, but Peck says the members of the swift-boat crew were not ground troops — being told never to leave the boat — and never were issued grenades because of the chance of them ricocheting when lobbed from the deck.

Tell us again why he still after all these years absolutely refuses to release all of his military records. What is he hiding?

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 5:06 PM

It remains a shining example of how low people can go in efforts to destroy those they disagree with politically.
(Hot Air maven Michelle Malkin swam gleefully in that muck.)

I can quote chapter and verse of the left’s tactics in this regard. And the left will go after just random citizens. Remember Joe the Plumber?

You aren’t going to win any arguments claiming the right is worse than the left in destroying someone. the left invented it. Clinton perfected it.

We’ll have to agree to disagree about Kerry. I believe he got what he deserved. Yes, he signed up to serve in Nam- and somehow managed to only spend a few months there. Not typical. and received medals for some pretty uninspiring stuff (accounts of which, again, are disputed).

I seem to recall the left going after the swift boat veterans – all who served in ‘Nam much longer than Kerry ever did, and did not lie about their fellow veterans as kerry did (remember, almost everything he testified to before congress as part of the winter soldiers was untrue) and try to destroy them personally. Why don’t they get the same opportunity to tell their version of events? Why does the left get to destroy them in favor of Kerry? when you have to sides disputing what happened, why do you believe that only Kerry’s side gets to be heard? That is essentially what you are saying.

If I served with someone like that – who used his influence to obtain unearned medals (by their accounts) and get out of the combat zone much, much, much quicker than everyone else, I too would probably be pretty unhappy when I turned on the news and saw him claiming that i was just as bad as Genghis Kahn.

Kerry wanted it both ways. He wanted the mantle of “war hero” plus the mantle of “war protestor”. And he did not care who else he disparaged while doing it.

Hardly a hero in my book. Just because someone serves doesn’t make them a hero. I served. I’m no hero. Yes, I appreciate service, but you can do things in and out of service that take away any good feelings I might have for you due to your service. kerry lost any regard I may have had for his service based upon his conduct when he returned to the states. And, I don’t believe he passionately felt anything about the war. I’m pretty confident he became a war protestor based entirely on his political aspirations – which makes it even worse.

Monkeytoe on May 1, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Hmm… we need a new crop of trolls here at HA.

Or they need a new script, the shite they’re trotting out is Stage 1 ‘Nail Soup’.

CPT. Charles on May 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Ooo you’re good. A prince of a commenter

bluealice on May 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM

I go back to the Ed Morrissey Captain’s Quarters era. So does sesquipedalian. Can’t you tell?

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Ha…the irony.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 5:05 PM

game set and match; or in your case hook, line, and sinker.

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

I haven’t read through the….now 4 pages of comments so I’ll just say my piece and be done with it:

After this, I never want to hear another lib whine about Bush and “Mission Accomplished” again…

Rogue on May 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 5:03 PM

You obviously are unaware of his testimony before Congress where he accused his fellow servicemen of killing, raping, and pillaging. Perhaps you should be introduced to the truth sometime.

Bitter Clinger on May 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM

you didn’t link it because you knew i’d notice it was from a propaganda outlet, right? in any case, i was looking for some evidence (not hearsay from grunts). of course you don’t have any, so don’t bother copy-pasting from human events, wnd and your other similarly reputable go-to sources.

sesquipedalian on May 1, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Please define “propaganda outlet” for us.

This should be good.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

But then you idiots believe global warming too.

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Ha…the irony.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 5:05 PM

I second that. But in reverse.

Monkeytoe on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Did someone say dog on this thread? Because Afghan Lab is being served to the man who, apparently, is the Team Leader of Seal Team 6, President Barack Obama. I mean who knew he was Seal Team 6′s special weapon and could kill a bad guy from across the ocean without even looking through a scope. Simply unprecedented.

LetsBfrank on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Rogue on May 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

you know they will…that was the bad war remember?

cmsinaz on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Perhaps you should be introduced to the truth sometime.

Bitter Clinger on May 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

That could give him a serious rash.

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I find it amusing that we are re-fighting the ’04 campaign with the leftists.

Monkeytoe on May 1, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Simply unprecedented.

LetsBfrank on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

This Nation will breathe free again once this Obama character is un-Presidented in November.

coldwarrior on May 1, 2012 at 5:11 PM

go back to the Ed Morrissey Captain’s Quarters era. So does sesquipedalian. Can’t you tell?

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 5:07 PM

That’s a name I haven’t heard in a LONG time.

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 5:12 PM

HEY !
Will we have an open thread/drinking party ?
Serious question !!

pambi on May 1, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Monkeytoe on May 1, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Stands to reason. Obama and the Left ran against Bush in 2008.

coldwarrior on May 1, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I find it amusing that we are re-fighting the ’04 campaign with the leftists.

Monkeytoe on May 1, 2012 at 5:10 PM

How progressive of them….

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 5:13 PM

If you ever meet the guy, based on actual facts just thank him for his service.
Then go back to the conspiracy blogs to satisfy your needs.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 5:03 PM

You don’t know jack about the war in Vietnam and the guys who were over there. Kerry is a liar and a coward and those of us who were there know that for a fact.

Vince on May 1, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Football spiked: Obama to address nation on Bin Laden anniversary live from Afghanistan

Obozo doesn’t realize that he’s already way over played the “I single-handedly swooped into Bin Laden’s lair on a rope, and then I took him down with my sweet moves.” thing. Like everything else he’d done, this one is going to backfire.

Forward!!!

jrgdds on May 1, 2012 at 5:14 PM

After what our honorable Preezy did, exposing the SealTeam 6 last year, I’m actually a bit worried about how he might f-up this trip.
Y’know ??

pambi on May 1, 2012 at 5:15 PM

General to forces (live): “We have brought Chicago to you”

Seriously.

faraway on May 1, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Please define “propaganda outlet” for us.

This should be good.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Anything that’s not MediaMatters, StinkProgess or HuffinPaint!!

What do I win?

HumpBot Salvation on May 1, 2012 at 5:15 PM

I find it amusing that we are re-fighting the ’04 campaign with the leftists.

Monkeytoe on May 1, 2012 at 5:10 PM

It’s called misdirection.

What’s hilarious is the quick stutter stepping they do between “Bush’s Fault!” and “Bush Did It Too!”

farsighted on May 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM

you know they will…that was the bad war remember?

cmsinaz on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Guy can dream can’t he? Least I’ll have an easy come-back beyond: The banner was the carrier crew’s idea…

Rogue on May 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Disclaimer: Over the years since the 2004 election campaign I have actually engaged in dialogues with several of the Swift Boat members, including one who my late Dad served with in the service. Several of them who live in the same State actually endorsed Horseface when he ran for the Senate-because then he wasn’t running on his (nonexistent) war record. But when he decided to use said “accomplishment” to try and become Commander in Chief, they bailed on him, because they all knew it was a Lie.

I also later (2007?) engaged in a dialogue for several weeks on Power Line with one of the Swift Boat guys who sided with Thurston. It became obvious almost immediately that this dude was not terribly bright, and also that Thurston and his meal ticket Mama T had paid the guy off. In other words, Thurston purchased his former boat-mates’ endorsements.

Once again, if any of the Leftists here can give us evidence that the Swift Boat Vets for Truth were “lying” about anything, please come forward with your evidence.

We’ll be waiting.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Rogue on May 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM

yepper :)

…they know it was the crew’s idea as well, but that doesn’t stop them from being idiots..

cmsinaz on May 1, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Should Axelrod be the one to demand a little more credit for Obama from Seal Team 6 or should it come from Obama himself? I mean, as long as we’re making it the centerpiece of the re-election campaign, one must move forward strategically.

LetsBfrank on May 1, 2012 at 5:19 PM

I don’t know what the time would be in Jerusalem or Tehran, but 7:00 pm or so EDT tonight would be a great time for Israel to take Iran’s nuclear sites.

Wethal on May 1, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Please define “propaganda outlet” for us.

This should be good.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Anything that’s not MediaMatters, StinkProgess or HuffinPaint!!

What do I win?

HumpBot Salvation on May 1, 2012 at 5:15 PM

I have already used Media Matters in this thread as a cite. With hilarious results.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 5:19 PM

The timing for that Afghanistan trip is terrible.

Every expat in Kabul knows that Tuesday night is wet burkha night at the Boom-Boom Room at the Kabul Hilton.

Anybody seen the Secret Service in the past couple hours?

coldwarrior on May 1, 2012 at 5:20 PM

..in other words: Swiftboat the Bastid!

The War Planner on May 1, 2012 at 4:20 PM

You do know that term is now understood as meaning to denigrate someone through false stories…right?
I won’t be surprised if you don’t.

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 4:26 PM

You mean the false stories John F’n Kerry told under oath and in field dress uniform before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which was also televised to the nation?

Let us travel, for a moment, down memory lane, shall we?

On January 31, 1971, members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) met in a Detroit hotel to discuss war crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed during their combat tours in Vietnam. During the next three days, more than 100 Vietnam veterans and 16 civilians gave anguished, emotional testimony describing hundreds of atrocities against innocent civilians in South Vietnam, including rape, arson, torture, murder, and the shelling or napalming of entire villages. The witnesses stated that these acts were being committed casually and routinely, under orders, as a matter of policy.

In April, the VVAW stormed Washington in a week-long protest. At its height, spokesman John Kerry went before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations to accuse the United States military of committing massive numbers of war crimes in Vietnam. The appearance launched Kerry’s political career. The charges he made shocked and sickened a nation, changed the course of a war and stained the reputation of the American military for decades.

But the mass murder of civilians was never American policy in Vietnam. War crimes were the exception, not the rule. And the Winter Soldier tribunal itself — which John Kerry had helped moderate — turned out to be “packed with pretenders and liars.”

What happened when military investigators asked the “winter soldiers” for evidence of all the war crimes they had alleged? Mostly stonewalling, backtracking, and statements that failed to support the VVAW’s claims…

He still to this day has not released his DoD form that would clear up all the questions. He doesn’t want any answers other than the approved narrative for his political persona. The truth is far different.

He was a useful idiot after Vietnam, and continued to be a useful idiot by buddying up with Daniel Ortega, and various other Communist dictatorships.

The man has a Hero of the Revolution Kiosk in the War Museum in Saigon, oops I mean Ho Chi Minh City. That says a lot to me.

Some f*^king hero he is, huh?

Brian1972 on May 1, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Again, this is one of those things where I pray Romney is taking notes. I pray he’s learning what not to do (Obama at the very least is “The Great Teacher”). And I pray Romney will show restraint. Let the Citizenry know what is going on. But no outright attacks. Romney needs to be above the fray on this one. Presidential.

Scopper on May 1, 2012 at 5:21 PM

farsighted on May 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM

What’s really hilarious is that they lost that campaign.

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Is Obama going to do a fundraiser while he’s there too? A few goats added to the DNC war chest might be just what he needs.

natasha333 on May 1, 2012 at 5:22 PM

You don’t know jack about the war in Vietnam and the guys who were over there. Kerry is a liar and a coward and those of us who were there know that for a fact.

Vince on May 1, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Damn straight.

I wasn’t there either, but I value the experience of those who were.

What Kerry did to you guys, all of you, is simply disgusting.

I will never, ever forgive that. EVER.

Welcome home, and thank you.

Brian1972 on May 1, 2012 at 5:23 PM

I don’t know what the time would be in Jerusalem or Tehran, but 7:00 pm or so EDT tonight would be a great time for Israel to take Iran’s nuclear sites.

Wethal on May 1, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Don’t know about Jerusalem or Tehran but, if I have this right, 7:00 PM EST will be 3:30 AM in Kabul.

Obamessiah is forcing everyone in Kabul to be up at 3:30 AM to watch him spike the ball. LOL.

farsighted on May 1, 2012 at 5:24 PM

LOLOLOL .. just had to giggle at how Preezy is upstaging his troops in the MayDay protests.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

pambi on May 1, 2012 at 5:26 PM

And, I don’t believe he passionately felt anything about the war. I’m pretty confident he became a war protestor based entirely on his political aspirations – which makes it even worse.

Monkeytoe on May 1, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Well, you are free to believe whatever you want, and feel about things however you wish. You are free to get a bad vibe about someone. You are free to just plain not like somebody.
But the indisputable facts are the indisputable facts.
To not see he voluntary service in that way at that time as honorable would have to mean nothing can be defined as such.
I’m not that cynical.
And too many who wrap themselves in the flag felt fit to use it to whip someone with it. That is, in my onion, b.s.
That SB guys got caught up and hurt by any of it – well that sucks. But I’d put blame for that at the feet of the instigators and political hacks behind the whole affair. They were fine with those guys being the collateral damage.
Let’s not kid ourselves – the goal there wasn’t to get Kerry to atone for anything – it was to get Bush a 2nd term.
Bitter Clinger gets to cling bitterly because of guys like John Kerry – and it seems you.

Also, what successful politician never made a single decision based on political aspirations?
I’ve never understood that critique.

(Maybe getting off topic too much –
Did I start all this? Sorry.)

verbaluce on May 1, 2012 at 5:27 PM

but will he land on a carrier and give his speech in a flight suit?

sesquipedalian on May 1, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Since he was never certified as a jet pilot, no.

Wethal on May 1, 2012 at 3:53 PM

I think what Sesquip meant was that Obama would run out of an Afghan phone booth and take off, like a bird or a plane, land on a carrier and give his speech in his Superman Suit. I’m sure of it.

ziggyville on May 1, 2012 at 5:27 PM

natasha333 on May 1, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Goats, natasha?

How about several bales of good Helmand black-tar Dragon…best opium around…about $50-$70 for a couple grams.

That’ll get a war chest filled in no time.

But, goats? Not so much. :-)

coldwarrior on May 1, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Going to Afghanistan at this time smells like flop-sweat to me. His private polls must be pretty bad.

writeblock on May 1, 2012 at 5:28 PM

He’ll spike the football out of one side of his mouth while apologizing to Pakistan for violating their sovereignty out of the other.

Stupid president.

alchemist19 on May 1, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Brian1972 on May 1, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Good to see you, buddy. It’s been a while.

Kataklysmic on May 1, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Drudge Headline- “Goating in Afghanistan”

Fighton03 on May 1, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Please define “propaganda outlet” for us.

This should be good.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2012 at 5:09 PM

given your rejection of any mainstream news org, such as ap, reuters, mcclatchy, the times, etc., as sources that can be used to buttress one’s arguments, i find it funny that you would try to convince me of something by quoting human events. that is all, pops.

btw, is human events still publishing pat buchanan’s screeds? (why, yes it is!)

sesquipedalian on May 1, 2012 at 5:31 PM

There is something called overplaying your hand and turning people off. Also, the more the Barry camp spikes this ball, the more people will notice that there is nothing else in his record left to sell.

galtani on May 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM

HEY !
Will we have an open thread/drinking party ?
Serious question !!

pambi on May 1, 2012 at 5:12 PM

.
Could that even work?

I mean, how does a person type in a “slurred” manner?

listens2glenn on May 1, 2012 at 5:35 PM

I keep checking for updates …
can anyone tell us where this will be broadcast ??
CNN ? EVERY outlet ??
Our Glee-minded little girls wanna know !!

pambi on May 1, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Few people realize (and it will be revealed tonight) that Obama not only OK’ed the Bin Laden Raid but planned it, led it and personally killed Osama in a violent hand-to-hand struggle which ended with a randall thrust to the abdomen which surprisingly looked like a bullet to the head.. Where were the Secret Service? you may well ask. They stopped off in town to knock off some quiff.

MaiDee on May 1, 2012 at 5:37 PM

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