Confirmed: Atheists more motivated by compassion in charitable giving than believers are; Update: Numbers added

posted at 10:15 pm on May 1, 2012 by Allahpundit

First nonbelief is linked to analytic thinking, now this. So that’s why people hate atheists. We’re too darned smart and soulful.

Obama’s been spiking the football all day. Now it’s my turn. Picture me pointing at the computer screen, performing an impromptu Ickey Shuffle, and then slamming that pigskin to the ground so hard that it knocks the money out of my wallet and straight into your favorite charity’s donation box. Touchdown.

That doesn’t mean highly religious people don’t give, according to the research to be published in the July 2012 issue of the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science. But compassion seems to drive religious people’s charitable feelings less than it other groups.

“Overall, we find that for less religious people, the strength of their emotional connection to another person is critical to whether they will help that person or not,” study co-author and University of California, Berkeley social psychologist Robb Willer said in a statement. “The more religious, on the other hand, may ground their generosity less in emotion, and more in other factors such as doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns.”…

In the first study, Saslow and her colleagues analyzed data from a national survey of more than 1,300 American adults taken in 2004. They found that compassionate attitudes were linked with how many generous behaviors a person was likely to report. But this link was strongest in people who were atheists or only slightly religious, compared with people who were more strongly religious.

In a second experiment, 101 adults were shown either a neutral video or an emotional video about children in poverty. They were then given 10 fake dollars and told they could give as much as they liked to a stranger. Those who were less religious gave more when they saw the emotional video first.

As usual with these studies about religion, the headline is irresistibly sexy — you’d be excused for thinking at a glance that it was claiming atheists are more compassionate — and then when you read the fine print the reality is more mundane. The study’s not saying that atheists are more compassionate, it’s saying that atheist charitable giving depends more heavily on actually feeling compassion for the victim than believers’ giving does. The believer may tithe or may decide that, as a matter of religious duty, he/she should set aside a certain amount of income to be donated among various charities. In that case, the motive is more an aspiration to behave virtuously than to satisfy some swelling of sympathy. For most (but not all) nonbelievers, I suspect, it’s sympathy that’s the key trigger. That’s how it is for me: I give generously when I feel moved to do so but I don’t set out to spend a specific aggregate amount annually. I do need to feel moved, though. Assuming most other atheists are like me, that means our pattern of giving is more volatile than a believer’s is likely to be, and that in turn probably means that believers are more likely on average to give. (Studies seem to bear this out.) I’d be curious to know, though, whether the amount of the average atheist donation is greater than the amount of the average believer’s donation. If it’s true that sympathy is more important to us, I’d expect that flush of emotion might drive us to give more when we do choose to donate. But since we’re probably donating less frequently than believers do, it may well be that we end up giving less annually in total than believers anyway. Anyone know of any numbers to confirm or challenge those assumptions? I can’t find any with quickie googling.

Update: John McCormack of the Standard e-mails with a link to this Arthur Brooks piece from 2003. The numbers are … not good:

The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions…

Charity differences between religious and secular people persist if we look at the actual amounts of donations and volunteering. Indeed, measures of the dollars given and occasions volunteered per year produce a yawning gap between the groups. The average annual giving among the religious is $2,210, whereas it is $642 among the secular. Similarly, religious people volunteer an average of 12 times per year, while secular people volunteer an average of 5.8 times. To put this into perspective, religious people are 33 percent of the population but make 52 percent of donations and 45 percent of times volunteered. Secular people are 26 percent of the population but contribute 13 percent of the dollars and 17 percent of the times volunteered.

These differences hardly change when we consider them in isolation from the other demographics, using a statistical technique called tobit regression. Religious practice by itself is associated with $1,388 more given per year than we would expect to see from a secular person (with the same political views, income, education, age, race, and other characteristics), as well as with 6.5 more occasions of volunteering.


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AP, you better have the armor on.

Schadenfreude on May 1, 2012 at 10:17 PM

1,000 comments or bust. :-(

IrishEi on May 1, 2012 at 10:17 PM

First nonbelief is linked to analytic thinking, now this. So that’s why people hate atheists. We’re too darned smart and soulful.

C’mon, AP.

Everyone knows atheists are just dictatorial thugs who want to be god themselves and who kill millions of people in the name of atheism because atheism.

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

University of California, Berkeley social psychologist Robb Willer

A study designed by a Berkeley professor? No bias there….

Wethal on May 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

What a day to have my goid lirners at the cleaners, I may have to sit this one out.

Bishop on May 1, 2012 at 10:20 PM

wow, really? you want to battle or something? trolling us? come on now

sadsushi on May 1, 2012 at 10:20 PM

University of California, Berkeley

OKaaaaay,,,?

maynila on May 1, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Atheists more motivated by compassion in charitable giving than believers are

This doesn’t mean that atheists are more compassionate, though, just that believers have more reasons to give.

malclave on May 1, 2012 at 10:21 PM

I don’t believe in these studies.

rihar on May 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM

This doesn’t mean that atheists are more compassionate, though, just that believers have more reasons to give.

Yeah, that’s my point in the post. Compassion is a bigger *factor* for atheists.

Allahpundit on May 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM

oi vey.

Book on May 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM

So if an athiest doesn’t like you, screw you?

RSbrewer on May 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM

This doesn’t mean that atheists are more compassionate, though, just that believers have more reasons to give.

Read the post and not just the headline.

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:23 PM

This doesn’t mean that atheists are more compassionate, though, just that believers have more reasons to give.

malclave on May 1, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Exactly. To believers, it’s a ritual sacrifice to their overlord.

ebrawer on May 1, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Athiest – a person who will gladly argue with you for hours about something that doesn’t even exist.

RSbrewer on May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM

So if an athiest doesn’t like you, screw you?

RSbrewer on May 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I can’t find that anywhere in the article or study. Can you show us where this appears?

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Atheists more motivated by compassion in charitable giving than believers

Yeah, what with all the long-standing, traditional atheist charities it’s just hard for believers to really compete in the giving dept.

whatcat on May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Stop ruining all these good football videos.

fiatboomer on May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM

They were then given 10 fake dollars and told they could give as much as they liked to a stranger.

What the heck kind of study is this? There is a certain ideological segment of our society that is always more generous with other people’s money.

DaveDief on May 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Yeah, that’s my point in the post. Compassion is a bigger *factor* for atheists.

Allahpundit on May 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Oops.

I didn’t actually read the post. I figured you weren’t happy with the rate of comments on the headline so you threw it into a main post to speed things up. :)

malclave on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I am atheist.
And I am good.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

University of California, Berkeley social psychologist Robb Willer

O_O

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

They were then given 10 fake dollars and told they could give as much as they liked to a stranger. Those who were less religious gave more when they saw the emotional video first.

That’s hilarious! They determine that atheists have to have an emotional attachment in order to be generous and extrapolate that out to “atheists are more compassionate about charity”.

They were then given 10 fake dollars and told they could give as much as they liked to a stranger.

Exactly. They were given someone elses’s money and had no problem giving it away. It was also fake money. How about tell them to all bring thier own 10 dollars to the study and see how much they give. Or give them 10 real dollars and tell them they can keep it or give it away and see how much they give.

Lots of studies have been done showing religious and conservative Americans give far more and far more frequently than liberals. And every atheist I knmow is a liberal and there is nothing here on HA that dissuades me from that perception.

peacenprosperity on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I can’t find that anywhere in the article or study. Can you show us where this appears?

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Motivated by the strength of their emotional connectoion to the person.

RSbrewer on May 1, 2012 at 10:27 PM

First nonbelief is linked to analytic thinking . . .

excerpt: Allahpundit

.
There’s no such thing as NONbelief.

listens2glenn on May 1, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Amazing how many avowed atheists think they can read minds. They’re usually just full of themselves.

S. D. on May 1, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Athiest – a person who will gladly argue with you for hours about something that doesn’t even exist.

RSbrewer on May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I would change that to “Athiest – a person who will gladly argue with you for hours about something that…” the atheist doesn’t believe even exists.

Gladtobehere on May 1, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

No No, my ska lady. okay… :(
But you are good.

bazil9 on May 1, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Motivated by the strength of their emotional connectoion to the person.

RSbrewer on May 1, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Not the same thing as:

So if an athiest doesn’t like you, screw you?

RSbrewer on May 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:29 PM

There’s no such thing as NONbelief.

listens2glenn on May 1, 2012 at 10:27 PM

++++

bazil9 on May 1, 2012 at 10:29 PM

While I generally oppose feeding Allahpundit’s comment beast, his Ickey Shuffle video amuses me. Well played, sir.

BKennedy on May 1, 2012 at 10:29 PM

I am atheist.
And I am good.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Did you leave out the sarc tag this time?

Gladtobehere on May 1, 2012 at 10:30 PM

So?

ncborn on May 1, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I call shenanigans.

Darksean on May 1, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Stop ruining all these good football videos.
fiatboomer on May 1, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Meh, I can’t stand to watch ‘em. I remember the days when just scoring a touchdown spoke for itself. No dancing and prancing back in the day.

whatcat on May 1, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Amazing how many avowed atheists think they can read minds. They’re usually just full of themselves.

S. D. on May 1, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Are you a mind-reader?

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:30 PM

C’mon, AP.

Everyone knows atheists are just dictatorial thugs who want to be god themselves and who kill millions of people in the name of atheism because atheism.

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

So true, and show us any charity run by atheists that truly helps their fellow man. Just one. Nope, because there aren’t any…

chai on May 1, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Yes they are right, all 18 of the atheists that give to charity are more compassionate.
Of course what they fail to mention is that a much smaller % of atheists give to charity, and that they have only one reason…compassion…where the faithful have a variety of reasons, among them, charity.
How many hospitals, schools, abused homes for women or children have been built by these “compassionate atheists”?
The first hospitals, care centers for HIV/AIDS victims were Catholic, when everyone else ran for cover…compassion, or a desire to serve.
Well one thing is certain…the faithful built this nation, and the atheists bask in its wonderment, they feed at the trough of goodwill created by the faithful.

right2bright on May 1, 2012 at 10:31 PM

An atheist and a theist are sitting in a room. How can you tell which is the atheist?

The atheist is preaching.

peacenprosperity on May 1, 2012 at 10:31 PM

I am atheist.
And I am good.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I am Atheist and So Can You.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 1, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Are you a mind-reader?

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Yes. And in answer to your next 5 questions: No, Yes, Charlie Parker, Audrey Hepburn, and 56.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 1, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Christian doctrine is to keep your giving secret.

Matthew 6:1
Don’t do your good deeds publicly, to be admired by others, for you will lose the reward from your Father in heaven.
http://nlt.scripturetext.com/matthew/6.htm

So you wouldn’t expect too many Christians to ‘report’ their giving.

Axion on May 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM

The way I see it: The difference is prayer (nothing happens/non-action) vs. giving of time/money (difference made/action).

For a religious person, it’s easy to say ill pray for you or hand you a bible when you need real help, but these things are not helpful.

For a non-religious person, they find lending a hand or their time or their money works better.

While the idea and action of charity is not mutually exclusive to religious or non-religious people, I find the non-religious I know definitely donate more time and money to the less fortunate than the religious people I know.

kastor on May 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM

University of California, Berkeley social psychologist Robb Willer

I’d personally have more faith in a bunch of elementary students taking a poll than the guy with the $100,000+ degree.

Blacksoda on May 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I say..who cares.

Moving along. XO atheist..still pray for ya. Jeep donating though.

bazil9 on May 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM

keep* ha..just bought a jeep..on the mind.

bazil9 on May 1, 2012 at 10:34 PM

My “belief” in a higher being is similar to my “belief” that my first post went into moderation. Don’t care about religion, and don’t care if you “believe”.

S. D. on May 1, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Heh. So athiests are smarter and they care more?

Seems legit.

axshon on May 1, 2012 at 10:34 PM

All those atheist charities out there really drives the point of this study home, doesn’t it?

Spliff Menendez on May 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Lots of studies have been done showing religious and conservative Americans give far more and far more frequently than liberals. And every atheist I knmow is a liberal and there is nothing here on HA that dissuades me from that perception.

peacenprosperity on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Yep.

Axion on May 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Where does sympathy come from…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM

What a ridiculous, self-serving, narcissistic study — oh, wait, I’m talking about athiests. It all makes sense now.

It doesn’t matter how much they give, it’s how they’re motivated. They’re motivated by compassion. They don’t build schools, help pregnant girls, rebuild after earthquakes or provide nourishment and help to the homeless, but by golly when they part with a few pennies, it’s because they’re smarter, brighter, and just all in all better than we Christians.

Athiests. Smug, predictable, boring. Yes, indeed.

bonnie_ on May 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM

So Hot Air is now just a place for Allahpundit to post articles that make him feel better about himself.

Allahpundit is a pair of clown shoes.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM

The atheist mission in Armpit, Africa has openings for volunteers.

Bishop on May 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

No No, my ska lady. okay… :(
But you are good.

bazil9 on May 1, 2012 at 10:28 PM

As are you, m’dear. What’s worse–I am overjoyed that
‘Sharon Needles’ won RuPaul’s drag race.

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 1, 2012 at 10:38 PM

So Hot Air is now just a place for Allahpundit to post articles that make him feel better about himself.

Allahpundit is a pair of clown shoes.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM

It’s one post.
Sheesh. Put on your adult pants

blatantblue on May 1, 2012 at 10:38 PM

So true, and show us any charity run by atheists that truly helps their fellow man. Just one. Nope, because there aren’t any…

chai on May 1, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Um…you are aware that there are lots of secular organization that are charitable, right?

Bill Gates Foundation
Doctors Without Borders

Etc?

Ever hear of them?

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:38 PM

it means nothing. its just about what the motivation for giving is. if you want to “spike the ball” find a study showing atheists give more than believers.

chasdal on May 1, 2012 at 10:39 PM

This really hasn’t been answered in the previous headline. Why is it that atheists would be directly motivated by their emotions instead of reason?

MeatHeadinCA on May 1, 2012 at 10:40 PM

And every atheist I knmow is a liberal and there is nothing here on HA that dissuades me from that perception.

peacenprosperity on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Well, every atheist YOU know is liberal, so that makes it true for everyone!

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:40 PM

I am Atheist and So Can You.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 1, 2012 at 10:31 PM

HAAAHAHAHAHA!

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 1, 2012 at 10:41 PM

So Hot Air is now just a place for Allahpundit to post articles that make him feel better about himself.

Allahpundit is a pair of clown shoes.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Cycles between polls to reinforce the goodliness of his Atheism and polls to reinforce his pessimism about Romney’s electoral chances.

But it’s still wildly entertaining either way. :)

Good Solid B-Plus on May 1, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Um…you are aware that there are lots of secular organization that are charitable, right?

Bill Gates Foundation
Doctors Without Borders

Etc?

Ever hear of them?

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:38 PM

To be fair, I don’t think your two examples are examples of “atheists organization” much less explicitly striving a secular goal.

MeatHeadinCA on May 1, 2012 at 10:41 PM

The atheist mission in Armpit, Africa has openings for volunteers.
Bishop on May 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I’ll get the Atheist Medical Missionary Board on the phone and let them know. But they’re so busy all over the world meeting the needs of the poor & sick that there might be a slight delay in getting an atheist medical team dispatched.

whatcat on May 1, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Allahpundit is trying to out clown Obama.

VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

So Hot Air is now just a place for Allahpundit to post articles that make him feel better about himself.

Allahpundit is a pair of clown shoes.

The Notorious G.O.P on May 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM

How long have you been here? This is nothing new, Chillax bro.

bazil9 on May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Did the “fake” money have “In God We Trust” printed on it…”

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

kastor on May 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM

.
You hit on a perfectly valid point there. (James 2: 14-16)
And that was true of the mainline denominational “churchy people” I used to know when I was younger.

But I don’t believe that’s true of the believers I’ve spent most of the last thirty years around.

listens2glenn on May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Confirmed: AP a troll.

bobsacramento on May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Where does sympathy come from…?

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM

I just figured it was some bio-chemical reaction.

MeatHeadinCA on May 1, 2012 at 10:43 PM

And every atheist I knmow is a liberal and there is nothing here on HA that dissuades me from that perception.

peacenprosperity on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Yes everywhere I go people say I’m a liberal. I get that so much.

VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

OK so did the atheists KNOW the money they were giving away was fake?
Did any of the participants know this?
Bcs if that is true, then the whole study is worthless.

Badger40 on May 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

What a stupid thread.

VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Allahpundit is trying to out clown Obama.

VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

He was pretty clear about that in his opening line.

MeatHeadinCA on May 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I don’t care if you;re an atheist.
Just leave me the eff alone & stop trying to eliminate God from the world.
Go by the US Const if you live here & it’s fine.

Badger40 on May 1, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Axion on May 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I was just going to bring that up. I can see that having a potential impact on the polling. Also, I would like to understand if the pollsters understood scripture.

Maybe I’m going out on a limb here, but I’m guessing the pollsters aren’t terribly familiar with the Bible.

It’s kinda like me taking a poll on physics, and coming to the conclusion that gravity sucks. Well…kinda.

badtemper on May 1, 2012 at 10:45 PM

This thread is so stupid I am tempted to ban all 20 of my surviving user Id’s.

VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on May 1, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Over my head Lady..but still like you. Btw..what are your charitable donations? You in the Atheists giving club?

ALLAH? hhe heh..Disclose.

bazil9 on May 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I just figured it was some bio-chemical reaction.

MeatHeadinCA on May 1, 2012 at 10:43 PM

You’re probably right…

… just like eating lots of chocolate.

/

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM

This is just too stupid to even contemplate.

Of course! his numbers are useless.

minnesoter on May 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM

What the heck kind of study is this? There is a certain ideological segment of our society that is always more generous with other people’s money.

DaveDief on May 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Isn’t that the truth, LOL They are all in D.C. aka Congress & the White House!!!

bluefox on May 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Allah, if you want stinky bait

CorporatePiggy on May 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM

I am certain that Christoper Hithens himself would think this whole article is stupid.

VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:48 PM

That’s not compassion. That’s buying an emotional pay-off. Gives me an idea though. Let’s set up a ‘compassion credits’ exchange. Tax the planet for ‘niceness’ and ‘feelygoody’ credits. So if say, you’re a big Dem Donor (-1200/yr), working in a favored tech sector (-400/yr), that has achieved top 100 Brand status (-600/yr) you might get a credit from the UN of 2200 Awesomeness Points, redeemable for dollars, political favors, what have you. Where as if you’re a Republican donor (+2000), that actually makes something people want to buy (+400), and further, makes it in Amerika (+1100), and its manufacture requires a politically exploitable substance and/or process (+500 each occurence) you would have to PAY for $4 BIL or close your doors. Oh sure, its croney facism, but at least we can play the spreads and make a buck, if they let us, I mean. Just spit-ballin’ here…

Abiss on May 1, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Confirmed: AP a troll.

bobsacramento on May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Oh, I think we’ve confirmed that many times over. ;)

Good Solid B-Plus on May 1, 2012 at 10:48 PM

VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:45 PM

True..I am banning myself..adios.

fight on peeps.

bazil9 on May 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM

And every atheist I know is a liberal and there is nothing here on HA that dissuades me from that perception.

peacenprosperity on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

.
Yes everywhere I go people say I’m a liberal. I get that so much.

VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

.
Isn’t Mary Matalin an atheist?

listens2glenn on May 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Ummm I call this study into question. How do you measure compassion? How do you measure any emotion? It isn’t a tangible thing so how do you quantify it?

NerwenAldarion on May 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM

The religious give less money since they are more rigid and anal. They say that love others just as much or more although outside of their codes you couldn’t prove it by me. Sort of like the Napoleonic Code. More specifications don’t always bring better results.

P. S. Is number 30 up there to show our POTUS how to dance over his great victory over the OBL beast?

IlikedAUH2O on May 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Um…you are aware that there are lots of secular organization that are charitable, right?

Because those organizations aren’t run by a church hardly means they are full of atheists! You guys are really funny. Do you even know what secular means? It doesn’t mean atheist or anti-religion, it simply means not related to religion.

peacenprosperity on May 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM

You’re probably right…

… just like eating lots of chocolate.

/

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM

If an atheists is giving based on a feeling emanating from their body, then

1) they aren’t being a good reasoned atheist

and

2) they are acting to emotionally reward themselves.

MeatHeadinCA on May 1, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Um…you are aware that there are lots of secular organization that are charitable, right?

Bill Gates Foundation Doctors Without Borders

Etc?

Ever hear of them?

Good Lt on May 1, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Secular and athirst are not the same thing.

Spliff Menendez on May 1, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Confirmed: AP a troll.

bobsacramento on May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

It is his site…but you not far off the mark.

Bluray on May 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Between these types of articles and Allahpundit having a heart attack every single day over meaningless Spring political polls which change day to day, HotAir is truly living up to its name, meaningless Hot air.

AND……shall we compare the number of countless upon countless upon countless upon countless upon countless upon countless religious based charities vs. the number of atheist based charities?

Cpt. Kirk on May 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM

But since we’re probably donating less frequently than believers do, it may well be that we end up giving less annually in total than believers anyway. Anyone know of any numbers to confirm or challenge those assumptions?

The book Who Really Cares covers this pretty thoroughly. I don’t have my copy by me, so I’m stealing this from an Amazon review, which meshes pretty well with my recollection:

Political affiliation is almost irrelevent – the statistics for religious liberals and religious conservaties are identical. Religious people are statistically more likely to give than secularists (91% to 66%), and give more of their money (3.5 times more than secularists), are more likely to volunteer their time (67% to 44%), and volunteer more of their time (almost twice as much). The fact that the conservative population is more charitable than the liberal population is due to the fact that religious people tend to be politically conservative.

http://www.amazon.com/Who-Really-Cares-Compassionate-Conservatism/dp/0465008232

So, that’s a real football to spike. Not this almost pointless survey/study.

strictnein on May 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Did the “fake” money have “In God We Trust” printed on it…”

Seven Percent Solution on May 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I think it said “In Obama We Trust.”

Of course, this was a Berkeley study… so they probably don’t differentiate between the two.

malclave on May 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Yes everywhere I go people say I’m a liberal. I get that so much.
VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I’ve never seen any of your posts so I don’t have an opinion. As someone who’s been aroung here for awhile, true conservatives are outnumbered here these days and there are an awful lot of posters who think they are or claim to be conservatives. I wouldn’t be surprised if you are a liberal.

peacenprosperity on May 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Atheist even.

Spliff Menendez on May 1, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Well, APs update summed it up better.

strictnein on May 1, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Because those organizations aren’t run by a church hardly means they are full of atheists! You guys are really funny. Do you even know what secular means? It doesn’t mean atheist or anti-religion, it simply means not related to religion.

peacenprosperity on May 1, 2012 at 10:49 PM

This is a true statement and if those doing the “study” ignored this, then their “study” is crap and Allahpundit is a crap repeater.

VorDaj on May 1, 2012 at 10:54 PM

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