Elizabeth Warren camp: It’s kind of sexist for Scott Brown to ask if she’s lying about being Native American

posted at 7:23 pm on April 30, 2012 by Allahpundit

If the presidential election can come down to whether it’s more offensive to eat dogs or put one in a kennel on top of your car, I guess it’s fair for a Senate election to come down to whether Elizabeth Warren is 1/10,000th Cherokee.

The newest front in the “war on women,” apparently: Calling a female pol out on her self-serving B.S.

Despite claiming she never used her Native American heritage when applying for a job, Elizabeth Warren’s campaign admitted last night the Democrat listed her minority status in professional directories for years when she taught at the University of Texas and the University of Pennsylvania…

The Herald reported Friday that embattled Harvard Law School officials touted Warren’s Native American heritage — she reportedly has ancestors from the Cherokee and Delaware tribes — as proof of the faculty’s diversity…

Mindy Myers, Warren’s campaign manager, had this to say today:

“If Scott Brown has questions about Elizabeth Warren’s well-known qualifications — from her high marks as a teacher to her nationally recognized work on bankruptcy and the pressures on middle class families – he ought to ask them directly instead of hiding behind the nasty insinuations of his campaign and trying to score political points. Once again, the qualifications and ability of a woman are being called into question by Scott Brown who did the same thing with the Supreme Court nomination of Elena Kagan. It’s outrageous.”

It’s not so much a story about Warren’s heritage, in other words, as whether she lied about it in order to boost her appeal to Harvard as a solution to their diversity problem. According to her campaign, Charles Fried helped recruit her to the school and swears that her ancestry played no part, by which I assume he means that Warren didn’t bring it up in interviews, etc. Fair enough, but as the Herald notes, she was listed as a minority professor in the Association of American Law Schools’ annual directory from 1986 to 1995. She joined Harvard Law as a visiting professor in 1992 and became a full-time prof there in 1995, which means she was still being listed as a minority for a few years while she was there. Did whoever hired her know about that? Via Ace, David Bernstein at the Volokh Conspiracy finds another curiosity:

The old AALS Directory of Faculty guides are online (through academic libraries) at Hein Online. The directories starting listing minority faculty in an appendix in 1986. There’s Elizabeth Warren, listed as a professor at Texas. I spot-checked three additional directories from when she was a professor at the University of Pennsylvania, including 1995-96, the year Harvard offered her a position. Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth Warren.

So, we know one thing with almost 100% certainty: Elizabeth Warren identified herself as a minority law professor. We know something else with 90%+ certainty: (at least some) folks at Harvard were almost certainly aware that she identified as a minority law professor, though they may not have known which ethnic group she claimed to be belong to, and it may not have played any role in her hiring.

But it gets even more interesting: once Warren joined the Harvard faculty, she dropped off the list of minority law faculty. Now that’s passing strange. When the AALS directory form came around before Warren arrived at Harvard, she was proud enough of her Native American ancestry to ask that she be listed among the minority law professors. (Or, in the unlikely even that she just allowed law school administrators to fill out the forms for her without reviewing them, they were aware that she claimed such ancestry, and she didn’t object when she was listed.) Once she arrived at Harvard, however, she no longer chose to be listed as a minority law professor.

Verrrrrry curious. I’m not hung up on the fact that she apparently can’t produce any documents attesting to her ancestry; that’s not unusual when it comes to genealogy, although it does raise the question of what proof is sufficient to justify claiming minority status. (Follow the link to Bernstein’s post and read down for more on that.) The fact that her name disappeared from the minority listings in the AALS directory is interesting, though. Three possibilities. One: She was lying all along and dropped the charade once her mission of getting a job at Harvard had been accomplished. Two: She sincerely thought she had Native American ancestry but then learned something in 1995 that convinced her otherwise, so she quietly dropped minority status. In that case, though, why is she claiming it now when the press is grilling her on it? Three: Maybe the standards of proof for claiming minority status changed at Harvard or AALS such that Warren felt obliged to drop her official claim. She still thinks of herself as Native American, in other words, but she can’t prove it to the relevant authority’s comfort. That should be easy enough to check, though. Bottom line: If she’s serious about her heritage, why stop acknowledging it in the mid-90s? There’s no obvious explanation.

While you mull that, here’s Scott Brown enjoying one of the greatest moments of retail politics in recent American history.


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It is sexist to inquire into her racism. Got it.

Citizen-003528 on April 30, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Everyone claims to be one of the aboriginal peoples of the Americas. 99% are full of crapola.

antisense on April 30, 2012 at 7:28 PM

We’re all african

I just hope she was able to get birth control

tomas on April 30, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Of course. It must be sexism. Brown totally wouldn’t have questioned a male opponent claiming the same BS. /

Kataklysmic on April 30, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Lester, Libfree and their ilk are completely turned off by this playing of the victim card. They will be by any moment to share their displeasure.

/

Yeh right, whatever.

CW on April 30, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Integrity. It’s a word that’s not in Warren’s vocabulary.

TulsAmerican on April 30, 2012 at 7:29 PM

“This story raises serious questions about Elizabeth Warren’s credibility. The record now shows Prof. Warren did claim to be a ‘minority,’ and that she attempted to mislead the public about these facts when she was first asked about the issue last week,”

“If Scott Brown has questions about Elizabeth Warren’s well-known qualifications … he ought to ask them directly”

Seems like that is exactly what they did. Then Warren’s campaign goes on to make sexist smear.

pedestrian on April 30, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Paging Ward Churchill…..

BigWyo on April 30, 2012 at 7:30 PM

I’d like to know if Warren ever wrote or talked about “Native American” legal or other issues? Indian legal services?

If she indeed has that background and it was, in part, why she was admitted, wouldn’t she write something about Native American issues? Anything? Is there a Harvard Native American Law Students Association?

SteveMG on April 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Hey, did scotty B brick 4 underhanders before draining that shot?

ted c on April 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

The real crime, of course, is the lunacy of officials at our supposedly top universities so desperate to find “minority” candidates that they tout hires with even a drop of indigenous people blood.

bobs1196 on April 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

We’re all african

I just hope she was able to get birth control

tomas on April 30, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I would have personally bought it for that one.

CW on April 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

While you mull that, here’s Scott Brown enjoying one of the greatest moments of retail politics in recent American history.

Go ahead and re-post this for QOTD and call it a night :)

fiatboomer on April 30, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Fair enough, but as the Herald notes, she was listed as a minority professor in the Association of American Law Schools’ annual directory from 1986 to 1995.

Uh oh! She had to make that choice on how she was listed.

ted c on April 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM

That white woman speaks with forked tongue

Stu Gotts on April 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Warren is Native American? How?

BHO Jonestown on April 30, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Surely we have a mole who can dig up her census forms.

Somebody call Breitbart.

What does she base her claim on, anyway? Sleeping in a tee-pee on a Girl Scout camping trip? Playing Pocahontas in the 2nd grade school play?

BobMbx on April 30, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I think she’s from the Hekawi Tribe.

Mark1971 on April 30, 2012 at 7:33 PM

“…the qualifications and ability of a woman are being called into question”

Isn’t that what you do in a campaign, question the other candidate’s qualifications and ability? This is laughable

deuce on April 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

the Turtle clan is pissed

tomas on April 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Inevitable question. Which is worse? Posing nude to get you through law school, or posing as a Native American (and a minority no less) in order to get to be a law professor, then later reneging on the claim???

ted c on April 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Wait, isn’t asking questions about what she said about her racial heritage racist rather than sexist?

I’m so confused.

Socratease on April 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

I propose you all follow me in posting Nativer American names for her.

Mine is:

She-who-takes-leave-with-other-peoples-wampum

Shaughnessy on April 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Lets see your Res card sweetheart.

Speakup on April 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

CUNNING STUNT!

400lb Gorilla on April 30, 2012 at 7:35 PM

If she was born in the U.S. she is a Native American.

We all are.

Who were.

profitsbeard on April 30, 2012 at 7:35 PM

AHhahahhahahaaa hahahaahaha.

Doubt it will matter to her supporters. The dems of Connecticut didn’t care when a politician was caught embellishing his resume about a military background.

The tragedy of the commons is right in front of them and they don’t get it. Make benefits available to certain members of the population and people scramble to claim membership.

BruinEric on April 30, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Once again, the qualifications and ability of a woman are being called into question by Scott Brown who did the same thing with the Supreme Court nomination of Elena Kagan.

The qualifications and ability of Anyone – male or female – running for or being nominated for high office should be called into question.
How gullible are we supposed to be?

J-Paul00 on April 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM

I propose you all follow me in posting Nativer American names for her.

Mine is:

She-who-takes-leave-with-other-peoples-wampum

Shaughnessy on April 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Princess Flaming Idiot?

profitsbeard on April 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM

You are all being too hard on her. She read about the “Trail of Tears” and watched “Wagon Train”.

arnold ziffel on April 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Isn’t that what you do in a campaign, question the other candidate’s qualifications and ability?

You can’t question the qualifications of a woman or a non-white candidate. (Not even a “Hispanic white”.)

That is, unless the candidate is a Republican.

Or the candidate is a Democrat and the questioner is also a Democrat.

Or any other rule Democrats decide is or isn’t appropriate at any point in the future.

Are we clear now?

Socratease on April 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Her Indian name is Princess Walking Eagle… an old bird too full of cr*p to fly.

theCork on April 30, 2012 at 7:38 PM

I’m not hung up on the fact that she apparently can’t produce any documents attesting to her ancestry; that’s not unusual when it comes to genealogy

How convenient.

GarandFan on April 30, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Discover Magazine weighs in,er,steps into it!!

Elizabeth Warren, Native American
April 29th, 2012
****************

But this doesn’t always work out. It seems the majority of white Americans who suspect Native American ancestry find none from what I can tell. Recently I received a copy of DNA USA: A Genetic Portrait of America. Here’s a section on Cherokee genetic results:

“Will’s Navajo and “Roger’s” Hopie chromosomes contrast dramatically with the final portrait in this room from my one and only CHerokee volunteer, “Lucas Jackson.” I was astonished when I first saw his chromosome portrait, and so was he. “Isn’t that something!” he said with quiet amazement. There is only one small segment of orange ["Asian" ancestry in 23andMe's ancestry painting] among an otherwise uniform sea of blue. I would have dismissed this as an error were it not for somethign Mike MacPherson said when I visited him in San Francisco [scientist at 23andMe]. He had evidently had a similar experience with the company’s Cherokee customers, and had often found very little sign of orange [ie., non-European] in their chromosome portraits. We did not discuss the “Cherokee paradox,” as MacPherson called it, any more than that, but it did make me think that perhaps “Lucas Jackson’s portrait was no so unusual for a Cherokee.

If Elizabeth Warren wants to validate genuine Native American ancestry, she can surely afford a personal genomics service to dig through her genome. There needn’t be textual documentation.(more..)

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/04/elizabeth-warren-native-american/

canopfor on April 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM

1.75 Million years ago, my ancestors came from Olduvai Gorge in Kenya.

I am African American.

Where is my free stuff?????????????????

crash72 on April 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM

In other words…you caught us.

d1carter on April 30, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Native American heritage

Good lord if you were born to American soil, you are a native born American, until they get rid of the anchor baby status anyway.

Indians have no problem with being called Indians it’s not disparaging.

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 7:40 PM

If she wouldn’t be accepted to share in that sweet Indian Tribal Casino cash, she needs to drop the ‘feathers-and-tom-toms’ act.

;)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Ward LeRoy Churchill certainly lied about his being a native American.

He was a liberal of the worst sort.

Elizabeth Warren is no different.

If you look at American genealogical records and patterns and such, you’d find that a huge proportion of Americans who think they are somehow pure-bred German, or Irish, even African-American or whatever, have Native American blood running through their veins…a lot of lonely guys back in the day that missed the little wife or girlfriend back in Budapest or Basel or Birmingham whilst clearing the forests in the colonies. A lot of escaped slaves melted into the wilderness along the way. You get the picture.

But, it that enough to try to scam “minority” status for money or social recognition, like on a campus to somehow celebrate diversity?

coldwarrior on April 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM

That white woman speaks with forked tongue

Stu Gotts on April 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I got a little Comanche blood in me so I think I can laugh at that one. Hilarious Mr. Gotts!

jazzuscounty on April 30, 2012 at 7:42 PM

So,Elizabeth is looking for an edge,an edge of what,I guess!

canopfor on April 30, 2012 at 7:43 PM

She deprived a real Native American a spot in Academia and where is the liberal outrage?

William Eaton on April 30, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Ward LeRoy Churchill certainly lied about his being a native American.

coldwarrior on April 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM

coldwarrior:Yup:)

canopfor on April 30, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Liberal Women in (Politics)…….want IT ALL!!(sarc).

canopfor on April 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I sure hope this exposes the bu!!sh*t that these Ivory Tower hypocrites deign to call diversity. If you have some drop of blood somewhere in the last couple hundred years claim minority status.

I watched schools chase a student in my son’s class who had every privilege you can hope for among the upper middle class – yet also had a hispanic ancestor a few generations back. I don’t blame the family for taking all that was thrown their way but seriously this was hardly lifting the underprivileged from the barrio. It is all such a sham.

Let’s see what Harvard and the media come up with for Warren’s claim to Native American status. From there I go searching the family tree to see which of my ancient ancestors strayed to a reservation. There has to be one.

msmveritas on April 30, 2012 at 7:45 PM

And her great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-
grandfather on her mother’s father’s mother’s side shot a turkey with a bow and arrow and served it with maize-on-the-cob for the Pilgrims. The a-maize-in’ story of Poca-Wannabe Senator.

Steve Z on April 30, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Maybe she is a red dot on the forehead Indian?

Dingbat63 on April 30, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Bottom line: If she’s serious about her heritage, why stop acknowledging it in the mid-90s? There’s no obvious explanation.

Yeah, there is. She’s a liar.

We will see if she produces evidence sufficient to justify personal belief in Native American ancestry, if not to meet any relevant standards of proof.

One of my great-grandparents was Native American. I don’t run around claiming minority status.

novaculus on April 30, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Boy, I picked the wrong race. Being black all my life hasn’t gotten me a damn thing!

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 30, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I had no idea one could claim minority status without having to prove it.

shaloma on April 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Lesson:

No one ever gets to the Harvard Law faculty by themselves.

SWLiP on April 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Mindy Myers, Warren’s campaign manager,says that:

“(Given)Elizabeth Warren’s well-known qualifications — from her high marks as a teacher to her nationally recognized work on bankruptcy and the pressures on middle class families – he ought to ask them directly instead of hiding behind the nasty insinuations of his campaign and trying to score political points. Once again, the qualifications and ability of a woman are being called into question by Scott Brown who did the same thing with the Supreme Court nomination of Elena Kagan. It’s outrageous.”

This is an irrelevant and stupid remark. It speaks volumes about this sterling intellect – Ms. Warren – that she relies on such a limited individual – Ms. Myers- in such a key role. That goes to Ms. Warren’s judgment as much as her race falsehoods go to dishonesty. Not suitable qualifications for the United States Senate even in it’s current debilitated state. This is terribly embarrassing.

Mason on April 30, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Come on lefties show your distaste for the victim card.

CW on April 30, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Verrrrrry curious. I’m not hung up on the fact that she apparently can’t produce any documents attesting to her ancestry; that’s not unusual when it comes to genealogy, although it does raise the question of what proof is sufficient to justify claiming minority status.

Ed if she’s claiming Cherokee ancestry, her Cherokee ancestor that she descended through, would show up on a Roll. Like the Dawes Rolls. It takes documentation to be recognized as a member of the Cherokee Nation. If she is 1/10,000th, she’s not going to be accepted. I forget where the Cherokee draw the line 1/8th or 1/16th Cherokee heritage – that would be enough to be able to show their recent Indian ancestry – their ancestor would show up on the Rolls.

The Dawes Rolls Online National Archives.
(Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory)

Lists of people accepted between 1898 and 1914 by the Dawes Commission as members of these five Indian tribes: Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Seminole.

So a person who would be applying for Cherokee membership, would be able to point to their Indian ancestor on the Dawes Rolls. That person showing up on the Dawes Roll, would be the person’s great grandparent or grandparent- I am just guessing how far back they would be generationally from their Dawes Roll ancestor. So the person applying would be able to show they are at least 1/8th or 1/16th Cherokee blood. Although I am not sure what the requirement is? For all I know a person would have to be at least 1/4th Cherokee ancestry to be accepted as member of the Cherokee Nation.

Otherwise, Elizabeth Warren doesn’t qualify for minority status through her ancient wouldbe Cherokee ancestor.

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I had no idea one could claim minority status without having to prove it.

shaloma on April 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Or lose it suddenly….like George Zimmerman.

thebrokenrattle on April 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM

ELIZABETH WARREN: “Damn, they’re going to find out I’m just a another white commie that lied to get some affirmative action action. What can we do?”

-Turns on MSDNC

ADVISOR: “I have an idea!”

bernverdnardo1 on April 30, 2012 at 7:57 PM

If by Native American she means severely Caucasian then sure, Elizabeth Warren is seriously Cherokee.

DHChron on April 30, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Questioning someone fort lying about ethnicity in order to gain an even better minority status is sexist?
I am still trying to figure out why all these liberal women are so ugly?

lonestar1 on April 30, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I would say screw her but I just had dinner.

rik on April 30, 2012 at 7:58 PM

I think they take on the native American persona because it’s supposed to give them a shield for their anti-Americanism. More importantly, it gives their employers a shield against any criticism for hiring them.

There really is no need for white liberals anymore, and I think they understand that. They have succeeded in creating a culture where they can no longer justify their existence. Conservative lawyers should help passed-over minorities sue these people for fraudulently stealing their jobs. You don’t need to agree with the premise to do this, it’s an aspect of war.

Buddahpundit on April 30, 2012 at 7:59 PM

1/10,000th Cherokee. Does that mean if she plucks an eyebrow she loses her heritage?

mike0993 on April 30, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Otherwise, Elizabeth Warren doesn’t qualify for minority status through her ancient wouldbe Cherokee ancestor.

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Dr Evil:Agreed!

Like Discovery mag,has stated…and,end of story,until she does,
she’s blowing sweet grass!!:)

(If Elizabeth Warren wants to validate genuine Native American ancestry, she can surely afford a personal genomics service to dig through her genome)

canopfor on April 30, 2012 at 8:00 PM

She’s a shameless liar and exploiter. Resume’ enhancers for her progressive base. Could be the boost she needs.

forest on April 30, 2012 at 8:01 PM

She deprived a real Native American a spot in Academia and where is the liberal outrage?

William Eaton on April 30, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Important enough observation to be repeated.

Ira on April 30, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Or lose it suddenly….like George Zimmerman.

thebrokenrattle on April 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Yes, what an amazing spectacle that’s been, with Hispanics groups as quiet as NOW after a Ted Kennedy debacle.

shaloma on April 30, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Liberal Election Season………..

****************** Its SURREAL Baby! ************************

canopfor on April 30, 2012 at 8:02 PM

F R A U D

WisCon on April 30, 2012 at 8:03 PM

From David Burge: She’s Princess Joke-ahantas.

theCork on April 30, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I believe, the Cherokee do not have a blood quantum requirement. They determine membership by lineal descent.
That is the individual has to show direct descent from a member who was on the original rolls.

Aviator on April 30, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Native Americans
****************

Democrats are proud to have members of the Native American community as active members of our party. We are working with American Indians and Alaska Natives to expand the roles they play in the state and national party organizations, and we fully support Native American participation in the electoral process, not just as voters but also as candidates. We are working to promote Indian Country economic growth, improve educational opportunities, ensure clean water, and cultivate tribal energy. Most important, Democrats are committed to the Native American community by taking care of those who need a helping hand and giving a voice to those who have not had representation.

http://www.democrats.org/people/native_americans

canopfor on April 30, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Because Scott Brown is sexist that means she isn’t Bull Shi**ing?

reddevil on April 30, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I’m actually Native American myself. Yep. Two seventeenths Fugawi Indian. Come to think of it, that’s probably why I get lost all the time when I’m out hiking in the forest.

WarEagle01 on April 30, 2012 at 8:10 PM

If Scott Brown has questions about Elizabeth Warren’s well-known qualifications — from her high marks as a teacher to her nationally recognized work on bankruptcy and the pressures on middle class families…Once again, the qualifications and ability of a woman are being called into question by Scott Brown who did the same thing with the Supreme Court nomination of Elena Kagan. It’s outrageous.”

In one paragraph they’re attacking Brown for both questioning and not questioning her qualifications. Nice.

29Victor on April 30, 2012 at 8:12 PM

I personally find this story amazing. This witch either made up or thought for some odd reason that she had American Indian blood. She gets a job and a minority status out of it, then drops it?
I can understand dropping it if she found out she was wrong, but then admit it.
The not admitting it leads me to believe she made the whole thing up.
AND we are so wrong, in this country, to put any emphasis on race or heritage. Elizabeth Warrren is in need of no distinction except what she is able to achieve. Apparently that is nil without a little help.

ORconservative on April 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM

One of my great-grandparents was Native American. I don’t run around claiming minority status.

novaculus on April 30, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I was at in-laws house when my sister-in-law said something about N/A ancestors in my husband’s family. My first thought? Tell me something I hadn’t already figured out. (He looks like he’s mixed white-N/A. We sometimes travel to Central America. He blends right in.)

But what happened next absolutely convinced me that there was truth in the rumor. My mother-in-law was absolutely emphatic when sis made that comment. Oh, no, they were not! Her mother had told her she was WHITE. The family had moved to another state — and all I could figure was that in grandma’s day, being N/A was something you kept hidden if at all possible.

My dh has always put “white” for the race question. Sometimes I (half) jokingly tell dh he should claim N/A.

CJ on April 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM

I am a descendent of John D. Rockefeller. Please send me my money! It’s greatly needed. I’m also related distantly to George Washington, through a great aunt of Sally Hemings (my ancestor on my mothers side). Happily I can also tell you that my great great grandfather’s best friend and blood brother Sitting Bull would be very happy with my effort to reclaim my family’s heritage.

MTF on April 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I believe, the Cherokee do not have a blood quantum requirement. They determine membership by lineal descent.
That is the individual has to show direct descent from a member who was on the original rolls.

Aviator on April 30, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I know the B.I.A. stated that DNA can’t be used to apply for membership in any of the Indian Nations aka Tribes.

I addressed my last post to Ed, and this was Allah’s post.

Allah was right to call B.S. on Warren’s claim. If Betty had something showing documentation, she would have signed up, and she would whip her card out when Brown questioned her legitimate Indian minority status.

I have Indian ancestry myself, but I don’t claim to be an Indian because of it.

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 8:16 PM

RuPaul could claim Triple-Minority (at least) status!

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 30, 2012 at 8:16 PM

canopfor on April 30, 2012 at 8:08 PM

The terrible irony there is that among all identifiable groupings of Americans, Native Americans, specifically reservation native Americans are still the poorest of the poor, the most ill of the most ill, and the most enslaved of the enslaved, today…and all because of government taking care of them.

Do not know anymore what it is like in Canada, but down here, those reservations are an embarrassment to any American.

Actually, all those reservations should be used as vivid examples of what happens when all property is communal property, and all are attached by the umbilical cord to government generosity.

How is it that those native American groups who have allowed themselves to take care of themselves end up being some of the richest entrepreneurs around…while their enslaved comrades are fighting over that last scrap of soup bone, even in the Year of Our Lord, 2012?

coldwarrior on April 30, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Elizabeth Warren (like angryed) is fake, but accurate just fake… Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it, Tigerlily.

cicerone on April 30, 2012 at 8:18 PM

WarEagle01 on April 30, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Have loudly uttered that tribal chant myself, many many times, more so on family trips than any other.

coldwarrior on April 30, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Would it be sexist to question if blonde is this Cherokee Squaw’s natural hair color?

Just trying to keep up with the constantly evolving PC rules…

wren on April 30, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Once again, the qualifications and ability of a woman are being called into question by Scott Brown who did the same thing with the Supreme Court nomination of Elena Kagan. It’s outrageous.”

Womyn are good, men are bad. Men are required to vote for womyn or else they are double-bad.

obladioblada on April 30, 2012 at 8:20 PM

That white woman speaks with forked tongue

Stu Gotts on April 30, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Has she ever eaten snake or dog like a certain forked tongue POTUS?

Gladtobehere on April 30, 2012 at 8:20 PM

My Cherokee ancestors passed as white shortly after the Texas Rev0lut10n. All I really have are stories, ancestry in about the right area for the folks who came over to Texas with Bowles, and the fact that my dad’s family are about the darkest Scotch-Irish people you ever met.

The last census my ancestors would be calling themselves Cherokee on was about 1815. And that would be by different names than they went by in the 1840 census of Texas. I’m proud to be of Native American ancestry, but it’s hard to document.

Sekhmet on April 30, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Maybe I can claim freckles for some kind of elite racial heritage…

This is all so stupid, between this and contraceptives, I’m getting embarrassed to be a female.

jodetoad on April 30, 2012 at 8:21 PM

(If Elizabeth Warren wants to validate genuine Native American ancestry, she can surely afford a personal genomics service to dig through her genome)

canopfor on April 30, 2012 at 8:00 PM

But even that probably wouldn’t produce evidence if she’s claiming 1/10,000 her Indian ancestry won’t show up her Indian ancestor would be so far back in her family linage. I have been told in a woman’s MTDNA test, it can’t be much further back than a Great Grandmother maybe 2nd Great Grandmother for Indian ancestry to show up in the DNA test.

I would be interested in looking at her ged com., showing in her genealogy, where her Cherokee ancestry derives from.

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Wait, isn’t asking questions about what she said about her racial heritage racist rather than sexist?

I’m so confused.

Socratease on April 30, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Me, too. I flunked Indentity Politics 101.

Bitter Clinger on April 30, 2012 at 8:23 PM

jodetoad on April 30, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Freckles?

Red hair, too?

You are one of the Ginger People?

No status at all for Ginger People. :-)

coldwarrior on April 30, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Make benefits available to certain members of the population and people scramble to claim membership.

BruinEric on April 30, 2012 at 7:36 PM

A woman in my Ph.D. program claimed to be of Huron Indian dissent. What did that get her? A full scholarship.

I had no idea one could claim minority status without having to prove it.

shaloma on April 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I asked about this at the time, and the University admissions office said basically that “claiming” it is about all it take, since “proving” it is so difficult. Don’t know if that is true or not.

When I read this story over at the Daily Caller, the first thing I asked myself is whether or not Warren received such a scholarship back in her student days. If she did, maybe her listing as a minority professor followed from her identification as a minority student.

DrStock on April 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM

If she was born in the U.S. she is a Native American.

We all are.

Who were.

profitsbeard on April 30, 2012 at 7:35 PM

I repeat it every time the issue comes up but people have been conditioned to use the PC term although Indians plain don’t care.

A native American is anyone born to American Soil.

Indians don’t have a problem being called Indians.
Some Canadian tribes use the term Original Americans which is a whole lot closer to being correct than the generic Native American.

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 8:28 PM

why does this kind of stuff always remind me of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw

JeffWeimer on April 30, 2012 at 8:29 PM

DrStock on April 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM

What it amounts to is self identifying. Elizabeth Warren, believes she has a Cherokee ancestor so she decides that makes her an Indian. What about all her other ancestors? Elizabeth just dismisses them? I would be asking her how hard was it for her, growing up on the Cherokee reservation, does she speak Cherokee, can she write Cherokee? It’s as much a question of ethnicity (culture) as it is race.

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Hey, I’m a native earthling. Where’s my free stuff?

chewmeister on April 30, 2012 at 8:33 PM

One way she could prove both that she’s an Indian and a good Democrat: Eat a dog.

29Victor on April 30, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Allah was right to call B.S. on Warren’s claim. If Betty had something showing documentation, she would have signed up, and she would whip her card out when Brown questioned her legitimate Indian minority status.

I have Indian ancestry myself, but I don’t claim to be an Indian because of it.

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Based on her age and when the rolls were set up she would not have to go back very far to the original member in her family linage. If she is a legit tribal member (not just a little NA back there somewhere) she would, as you say, have no trouble documenting it.

Aviator on April 30, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Yeah. Whatever became of that American Native American Movement at Wounded Knee and Alcatraz?

The few Indians I have worked with (army and government and academia) over the yearss did indeed have no problem at all being addressed as Indians.

One, an NCO, would often retort, in a 7-11 affected Sub-Continent accent, when asked, “I am not an India Indian, I am an American Indian. Thank you. very much.”

That got him a short assignment in the old Army’s EEO program…I ended up getting stuck there myself, a time or two, for being non-parochial to PC.

coldwarrior on April 30, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Most of my friends prefer to be referred to their tribe. My Lakota friends identify as Lakota. My Kiowa friends as Kiowa. My Comanche friends as Comanche. Etc.

I have many Native American friends and I cannot think of one that identifies himself/herself as Native American or Indian. I do have a few that identify themselves as simply American.

ButterflyDragon on April 30, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Cherokee Heritage Documentation Center.

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Dr Evil on April 30, 2012 at 8:38 PM

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