Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:00 am on April 29, 2012 by Allahpundit

It’s Bin Laden week for the Obama campaign so counterterror czar John Brennan will hit ABC and FOX this morning to point at the scoreboard and spike the football on his boss’s behalf. CBS looks like the better bet for OBL coverage, though. They’ve got David Ignatius, whose new column argues that the Islamist trend in the Arab Spring has given Bin Laden the last laugh, and Peter Bergen, who interviewed OBL four years before 9/11 and has a new book on the manhunt for him out on Tuesday. No football-spiking here, just big-picture context.

If that topic doesn’t grab you, Boehner’s on CNN to continue his messaging war against Obama. And Hilary Rosen’s on NBC trying hard not to say something stupid. The full line-up via WaPo:

NBC’s Meet the Press: Ed Gillespie, Romney campaign adviser; Robert Gibbs, Obama campaign adviser; Hilary Rosen, Democratic strategist; Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA); Rachel Maddow, MSNBC; Alex Castellanos, Republican strategist

CBS’ Face the Nation: Haley Barbour, former Mississippi governor; Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa; Gov. Jerry Brown (R-CA); Graham Allison, Time; Peter Bergen, New America Foundation; David Ignatius, Washington Post; John Miller, CBS

ABC’s This Week: John Brennan, White House counterterrorism adviser; Carly Fiorina, co-chair of Mitt Romney’s California campaign; Jennifer Granholm, Current TV; Paul Krugman, Harvard and New York Times; Eric Schmidt, Google; George Will, ABC

Fox News Sunday: John Brennan, White House counterterrorism adviser; Joel and Victoria Osteen, Pastor, Lakewood Church; Brit Hume, Fox News; Liz Marlantes, Christian Science Monitor; Kimberley Strassel, Wall Street Journal; Charles Lane, The Washington Post

CNN’s State of the Union: Rep. John Boehner (R-OH); John Brennan, White House counterterrorism adviser; Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-MT); Gov. Bob McDonnell (R-VA); Michael Duffy, Time; Nancy Gibbs, Time


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BISHOP!
*I’ve get to go spend time with the ‘People of Wal-Mart…then HELLO weekend! L8tr , peeps!*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 29, 2012 at 8:01 AM

Did anyone really think that Obama wouldn’t spike the football regarding the death of OBL?

No surprise here…

Khun Joe on April 29, 2012 at 8:03 AM

To all you fools who think that One-bama will be a pushover in November, this is should wake you up. The media will parade this out and scream “Hosanna in the highest!!” By the time the MSM is done, they will have One-bama dropping from the helicopter like O-bam-bo and pulling the trigger himself.

W A K E U P!

NickDeringer on April 29, 2012 at 8:11 AM

He can spike the OBL football as much as he wants, but it was part of last year’s games. So far, Dog-eater is 0 and 8 this season and people are looking to replace the Head Coach.

PatMac on April 29, 2012 at 8:16 AM

John Brennan

Related to left-wing longtime SC Justice Brennan?

BTW, I personally know Justice Brennan’s grandson, & he’s an annoyingly ego-maniacal radical atheist.

itsnotaboutme on April 29, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Joel and Victoria Osteen, Pastor, Lakewood Church

Disappointing the Fox News would invite this false prophet-for-profit.
He’s reduced the Gospel to “Be positive, smile a lot, & say hi to your neighbors,” while he publicly denies or refuses to affirm key truths.

itsnotaboutme on April 29, 2012 at 8:22 AM

these shows enrage me. i’ll be at the garden center.

sbvft contributor on April 29, 2012 at 8:27 AM

And Hilary Rosen’s on NBC trying hard not to say something stupid. The full line-up via WaPo:

LOL!! AP, you rock :o)

Key West Reader on April 29, 2012 at 8:48 AM

To all you fools who think that One-bama will be a pushover in November, this is should wake you up. The media will parade this out and scream “Hosanna in the highest!!” By the time the MSM is done, they will have One-bama dropping from the helicopter like O-bam-bo and pulling the trigger himself.

W A K E U P!

NickDeringer on April 29, 2012 at 8:11 AM

Take a really good look at the photo on the screen cap. Look at Obama. They had to drag him off the golf course. Look at the clothes, his expression.. like a scared poodle in a room full of men. Except Biden. He’s got the full-on tard look going as well.

Key West Reader on April 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM

I will never grow tired of seeing this photo. 0 gets the small chair. Military in the big control chair. Very telling.

Bmore on April 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Joel and Victoria Osteen, Pastor, Lakewood Church

Disappointing the Fox News would invite this false prophet-for-profit. He’s reduced the Gospel to “Be positive, smile a lot, & say hi to your neighbors,” while he publicly denies or refuses to affirm key truths.

itsnotaboutme on April 29, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Absolutely, and that Victoria Osteen is a b***h. I can’t believe the number of people that fall for these money-grubbing charismatics.

rickv404 on April 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM

By any means necessary…

Remember this.

The GOP could run The Son Of David, the Saviour, Himself against Obama this election and somehow Obama would win, perhaps by the narrowest of margins, perhaps even by a landslide.

By any means necessary…

The Chicago Way.

Obama probably has won the majority of votes in several states already, even as the voting machines are just now being trundled out and gotten ready for November.

Eternal vigilance is indeed the cost of Freedom.

coldwarrior on April 29, 2012 at 8:59 AM

My pride goes out to the SEALs and the joint assets that took them to their target and supported them there. All of our prayers should be with the families of those who were lost later in the CH47 shootdown. With all of the politicization of our military’s abilities by those who want to end or continue the war at any cost, there are always these events. America needs to always remember there are brave men and women who are unwilling to forget, give up or surrender. And if you are our enemy, we will find you.

hawkdriver on April 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Wait! I thought Rosen said she was going to be a SAHM? John Brennan on three shows? Wow, a man with a message?

Will the anniversary come up?

dogsoldier on April 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Will the anniversary come up?

dogsoldier on April 29, 2012 at 9:01 AM

No, not at all. That’d be tasteless. Spiking the ball and all that. This White House would never stoop to that. Evah. Right?

coldwarrior on April 29, 2012 at 9:04 AM

John Brennan, White House counterterrorism adviser says he doesn’t do politics yet in the next breath calls the “presidential decision” a “gutsy call” which is is Democrat code for the decision Øbama made vis-a-vis bin Laden. Political hypocrite he is.

ExpressoBold on April 29, 2012 at 9:12 AM

He will lose and lose big.

writeblock on April 29, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Joel and Victoria Osteen, Pastor, Lakewood Church

Disappointing the Fox News would invite this false prophet-for-profit. He’s reduced the Gospel to “Be positive, smile a lot, & say hi to your neighbors,” while he publicly denies or refuses to affirm key truths.

itsnotaboutme on April 29, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Absolutely, and that Victoria Osteen is a b***h. I can’t believe the number of people that fall for these money-grubbing charismatics.

rickv404 on April 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM

This.

fossten on April 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM

If you think that Obama had anything at all to do with the raid that killed bin Laden, beside saying, “Uhhh…do we have to? Can’t we have a Dog and Pony Show in NYC, first?”, I have some bottom land in Mississippi to sell you.

kingsjester on April 29, 2012 at 9:15 AM

These Osteens are a whole lotta “You know,” you know?

ExpressoBold on April 29, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Can’t we have a Dog and Pony Show in NYC, first?

Can’t we eat some dogs and ponies first?

crash72 on April 29, 2012 at 9:30 AM

“The GOP could run The Son Of David, the Saviour, Himself against Obama this election and somehow Obama would win, perhaps by the narrowest of margins, perhaps even by a landslide.”

Obama is a shoe-in to win because the majority of the public finds the guy extremely likable. I don’t see it, but facts are facts, and the GOP’ers nominated a guy that people cannot stand personally, so the whole election is just a formality at this point. The same thing happened in 96 when poor Bob Dole never stood a chance vs Clinton.

gumbyandpokey on April 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

…Gov. Jerry Brown (R-CA);

Okay, when did Moonbeam become a repub?

Long haired country boy on April 29, 2012 at 9:34 AM

ExpressoBold on April 29, 2012 at 9:28 AM

We have one of those Osteenesque “Christian Factories” (as the locals call them) right up the street, and a few more within the county. Huge facilities, huge congregations, huge financials…all about the “feel good” message.

And folks open their wallets and dump serious cash into the coffers, knowing that if they give, they’ll feel good because the Saviour will love them more…and if they do not give generously…perdition is nigh.

Feel good. Hope. Change.

Same mindset that enabled this Obama guy to be elected.

Elmer Gantry lives.

coldwarrior on April 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Feel good. Hope. Change.

Same mindset that enabled this Obama guy to be elected.

Elmer Gantry lives.

coldwarrior on April 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

.
Do you think the Osteen empire will permit gay marriages within its facilities?

ExpressoBold on April 29, 2012 at 9:45 AM

“If we get the crazies out of this business …” — Paul Krugman, on ABC’s “This Week”.

The irony is delicious, Paul. Look in the mirror.

Paul-Cincy on April 29, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Charles Lane, another WoPoo hypocrite, speaks admiringly of Ø’s use of drone strikes while knowing in his heart the same actions by a Republican would be cause for 24/7 outrage. Sickening, he is, and based on his confusion in the previous segment, he mostly doesn’t know what he is talking about.

ExpressoBold on April 29, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I thought The Won had put a gag order on Ms. Rosen. Maybe she’s just going to sit there and look pretty.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2012 at 10:02 AM

I refuse to watch any of this.

Terrye on April 29, 2012 at 10:03 AM

I thought The Won had put a gag order on Ms. Rosen. Maybe she’s just going to sit there and look pretty.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2012 at 10:02 AM

I have wondered about this. I actually think that maybe she was supposed to say what she said..sure, it makes her look bad…but it gets the message out there and that is what they care about…now Obama can distance himself from it for all those people who are offended, but in the end the attack on Ann Romney has been made.

Terrye on April 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Watched abc’s round table for the first time, and last time, in a long time. Paul Krugman is easily one of the most wild-eyed crazies out there, and yet he referenced “getting rid of the crazies in this system” (presumably all Republicans?) as a path toward recovery. Talk about bizzarro world. As Carly Fiorina gently and coherently described the steps necessary to reinvigorate our economy,(competitive corporate tax rates, meaningful education reform, etc.) Jennifer Granholm’s contemptible glares from across the table literally made me nervous. George Will said that reforming our educational system to discontinue the school year revolving around an agrarian calender would be a remarkable step, referencing it as a bad model for current day Detroit. I’m sorry, but only releasing the Federal boot currently on the throat of individual states/districts as far as freedom to craft their own public education systems according to their own needs could that happen.

Cornhusker on April 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Obama is a shoe-in to win because the majority of the public finds the guy extremely likable. I don’t see it, but facts are facts, and the GOP’ers nominated a guy that people cannot stand personally, so the whole election is just a formality at this point. The same thing happened in 96 when poor Bob Dole never stood a chance vs Clinton.

gumbyandpokey on April 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Your comparison of ’12 to ’96 is far off. Economy was stable in 1996, DJIA just set a new record of 6000 then. Compare that to the poor economy, high unemployment rate, unreal deficits and national debt in 2012. Cool and likeability can only fool the public for so long. The reality check is correct: Barry “may” be a nice guy, but he is a poor leader, a failed president and is in way over his head.

galtani on April 29, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Cornhusker on April 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Looking at the discussion round table on “This Week”, as a microcosm of the larger political debate between left and right, Krugman and Granholm were clearly the most disrespectful and emotional of all the panelists. Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google, was very respectful, but I don’t know how liberal he is.

Paul-Cincy on April 29, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Obama is a shoe-in to win because the majority of the public finds the guy extremely likable.

Which is why we need to campaign against liberalism & not Mr Obama.

I don’t see it, but facts are facts, and the GOP’ers nominated a guy that people cannot stand personally, so the whole election is just a formality at this point.

I don’t see it. Mitt seems likeable enough. Polls put Mitt & Barack at about even now.

The same thing happened in 96 when poor Bob Dole never stood a chance vs Clinton.

gumbyandpokey on April 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

It wasn’t the same. The economy was booming then.

itsnotaboutme on April 29, 2012 at 10:29 AM

We have one of those Osteenesque “Christian Factories” (as the locals call them) right up the street, and a few more within the county. Huge facilities, huge congregations, huge financials…all about the “feel good” message.

coldwarrior on April 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM

But of course you are far too smart to fall for that stuff huh. You are already full of joy and hope and enthusiasm for your fellow man to be bothered by such fools as this right?

When Osteen runs for office then you may be able to compare him to Obama but for now, go to church or don’t go. Feel good about yourself or be the cynic you sound like. Who cares?

Vince on April 29, 2012 at 10:35 AM

“Your comparison of ’12 to ’96 is far off. Economy was stable in 1996, DJIA just set a new record of 6000 then. Compare that to the poor economy, high unemployment rate, unreal deficits and national debt in 2012. Cool and likeability can only fool the public for so long. The reality check is correct: Barry “may” be a nice guy, but he is a poor leader, a failed president and is in way over his head.”

The economy was far worse last year and Obama’s approval only fell to around 43%, when any other politician would have crashed and burned right there. It’s not the way I would like it, but the reality of the situation is that people give Obama the benefit of every doubt and don’t hold him responsible for the poor economy. And, yes, this will be just like 96 if Obama continues to hold leads in the polls. People will figure he’s going to win and just tune the whole campaign out, which is what happened in 96.

BTW, polls in April do matter. Gallup polls have predicted the winner (except Carter and Bush 1 elections) based on who led the poll at the end of April. And if you go back and look at Bush/Kerry, the April polls pretty much had the election nailed right then and there. Bush had leads of about 2-4 pts and ended up winning by 3, iirc.

Obama is a dead-solid lock to win, imo.

gumbyandpokey on April 29, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Eric Schmidt, Progressive per Wikipedia

President Barack Obama
Schmidt “was a campaign advisor and major donor to Barack Obama, and when he announced he was leaving that perch, he planned to remain ‘at the forefront of Google’s government relations team.’ Obama has even considered him for Commerce Secretary.”[28] Schmidt was an informal advisor to the Obama presidential campaign and began campaigning the week of October 19, 2008, on behalf of the candidate.[29] He had been mentioned as a possible candidate for the chief technology officer position which Obama created in his administration.[30] After Obama won, Schmidt was a member of President Obama’s transition advisory board. He proposed that the easiest way to solve all of the problems of the United States at once, at least in the domestic policy, is by a stimulus program that rewards renewable energy and, over time, attempts to replace fossil fuels with renewable energy.[31] He has since become a new member of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology PCAST.[32]

FLconservative on April 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM

“I don’t see it. Mitt seems likeable enough. Polls put Mitt & Barack at about even now.”

Gallup.

gumbyandpokey on April 29, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Eric Schmidt, Progressive per Wikipedia

FLconservative on April 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM

A liberal can be thoughtful and respectful. Who knew.

Paul-Cincy on April 29, 2012 at 10:55 AM

The only surprise is that they didn’t wait to release the news of bin Laden’s death until right before the election.

Ukiah on April 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Vince on April 29, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Just got home from Mass.

A cynic?

Not at all.

Just do not enjoy watching folks get bilked in order to be “saved.”

Do not enjoy watching a Nation brought to its knees because some charlatan promised Hope and Change.

coldwarrior on April 29, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Obama is a shoe-in to win because the majority of the public finds the guy extremely likable

Not really. RCP average has Obama’s favorables at 50-45 (okay but not great).

Jon0815 on April 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM

http://patdollard.com/2011/05/obama-hesitated-%E2%80%93-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

Anyone interested in the true story about what actually happend to OBL,how Leon Panetta stole the show and ignored both Gen.Obama and Generalette Jarrett it’s all here.

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Just do not enjoy watching folks get bilked in order to be “saved.”

Do not enjoy watching a Nation brought to its knees because some charlatan promised Hope and Change.

coldwarrior on April 29, 2012 at 11:10 AM

I understand but have you ever watched his show? He does not constantly ask for contributions (like my Catholic church does) but asks you to get into a bible-based church of your choice.

He has admitted to being more of a motivational speaker than a preacher and has said he could never do what his Dad did as a preacher.

As for others who would slur his wife just because of a lawsuit bought against her by a flight attendant, (which Ms Osteen won by the way) do you realize the irony of a statement such as “she’s a b***h? I would say she is closer to a nice person than you are.

Vince on April 29, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Anyone catch Hilary Rosen and Rachel Maddow making eyes at each other across the table?

Yeah, I went there.

Grace_is_sufficient on April 29, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Anyone catch Hilary Rosen and Rachel Maddow making eyes at each other across the table?

Yeah, I went there.

Grace_is_sufficient on April 29, 2012 at 11:28 AM

They go there too. Only, when they get there, there’s no there, there.

Paul-Cincy on April 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM

They go there too. Only, when they get there, there’s no there, there.

Paul-Cincy on April 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM

You just went a hundred miles beyond there…but it made me LOL.

Grace_is_sufficient on April 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Take a really good look at the photo on the screen cap. Look at Obama. They had to drag him off the golf course. Look at the clothes, his expression.. like a scared poodle in a room full of men. Except Biden. He’s got the full-on tard look going as well.

Key West Reader on April 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM

…lol…YEP!

KOOLAID2 on April 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM

ARGH

Please, Bush spiked the football about 9/11 for years and years, and it was all ok then!

But now that Obama does it, it is offensive.

You all really need to let it go, Obama has every right to use his success of getting Bin Laden as Bush did for wanting unlimited powers because of 9/11.

There is no difference unless you are a hypocrite

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM

NickDeringer on April 29, 2012 at 8:11 AM

M I S S I O N A C C O M P L I S H E D

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

You all really need to let it go, Obama has every right to use his success of getting Bin Laden as Bush did for wanting unlimited powers because of 9/11.

There is no difference unless you are a hypocrite

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM

So can we conclude that you approved of both?

LOL.

fogw on April 29, 2012 at 1:28 PM

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

damian1966 was so much funnier, and actually had a brain stem to boot.

Del Dolemonte on April 29, 2012 at 1:31 PM

fogw on April 29, 2012 at 1:28 PM

No I didnt say I approve of either, but the same people complaining unfair, are the same ones who defended Bush for years of doing it.

They are both bad politics in my eyes, I just do not like hypocrites, hold both parties to the same standard, do not change your position because “your guy” is doing it.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:31 PM

From the other OBL thread…

Stranger than Truth! Department…

I haven’t checked the NewsBusters site yet to see if they (or anyone else) caught it, but during the Sunday 12 noon EDT C-BS Radio “News” broadcast, weekend C-BS anchor Jim Taylor (who may be looking for a job soon) mistakenly called OBL “O’bama bin Laden”.

He immediately corrected himself.

Gonna keep an eye on youtube to see if his Mother of All Bloopers was recorded for posterity. Not holding my breath however.

Del Dolemonte on April 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Del Dolemonte on April 29, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Was channel surfing this morning and came across ABC’s Obama lovefest. I really have to laugh when these self-annointed “experts” sit around the table and tell all of us stukpid people how to fix every problem that exists.

First I had to listen to Krugman beat his dead horse about the need to pass another Stimulus Package, as if that would cure the economy once and for all. Then George Will piped in and said the answer lies in extending the school year another month so that we have brighter students competing in the world marketplace. Yeah, that’s the answer George. These students already go to four years of college after high school and they still don’t know a darn thing about how the real world works.

fogw on April 29, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Last week’s glimpse of the Massive Liberal Whitewash on Sunday Morning was enlightening. Let’s have a gander:

NBC’s Meet the Depressed: GOP; Liberal; Liberal; GOP; Leftist; GOP = 50/50.

CBS’ Deface the Nation: GOP; Liberal Race-Victim; Fringe-Left Kook; Liberal; Liberal; Liberal; Liberal = Nice! 6 liberals, one not.

ABC’s This Week: Liberal Ass-Clown; Liberal Republican; Liberal; Fringe-Left Kook; Liberal; Conservative (Hey…1st one of the morning!) = 4 Libs, 2 GOP.

Fox News Sunday
: Liberal Ass-Clown; non-partisan nitwit; Conservative; Unknown, but presumably liberal; Journalist; Liberal = Wow…3 non-partisan (maybe?), 2 Libs, one solid conservative.

CNN’s State of the Onion: GOP; Liberal Ass-Clown; Liberal Ass-Clown; GOP; Liberal; Liberal = 4 Libs, 2 GOP

Total Partisan/Ideological Score for your brainwashing by the media:

19 Lefties
9 Center-Right

This in an environment designed to be left-right adversarial. Pathetic.

Jaibones on April 29, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Disappointing the Fox News would invite this false prophet-for-profit.

itsnotaboutme on April 29, 2012 at 8:22 AM

I get nauseous just looking at this smarmy twit in his $5,000 suits. Gross.

Jaibones on April 29, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Jaibones on April 29, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Too bad. Get over it.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:39 PM

There is no difference unless you are a hypocrite

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM

This analogy only works if you are mentally retarded. Nice work.

Jaibones on April 29, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Jaibones on April 29, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Umm, Bush suits cost anywhere from 5K to 14K, guess that was ok?

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:40 PM

This analogy only works if you are mentally retarded. Nice work.

Jaibones on April 29, 2012 at 1:39 PM

As you obviously are?

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM

No I didnt say I approve of either, but the same people complaining unfair, are the same ones who defended Bush for years of doing it.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:31 PM

That’s shocking. You mean to tell me that liberals cheer on Obama while conservatives applaud Bush. Unthinkable.

Better get used to it.

fogw on April 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM

fogw on April 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Oh I am very aware of the hypocrisy on both sides. And iut is sickning, regardless of your part affiliation.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM

re:damian1967

http://patdollard.com/2011/05/obama-hesitated-%E2%80%93-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

Sorry damian dude you can’t be comarin’ GW and Gen. Obama–Bush was a real President actually cared about the country. Zero is just Manchurian plant campaigning vehicle for the far left/soros and other muzzies/commies intent on destroying the country.
NOt a valid comparison.
By the way I think the DU is calling you! Yeah, I can hear them chanting now.Better get on down there now you little son of a devil you.

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 1:54 PM

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Bush was as much as a bad president as Obama, they both are / were terrible.

patdollard is nothing but a political hack, I read the article and it holds little weight, I doubt anyone overrode the President, and I also doubt Bush was overrode by Cheney as people claimed all those years.

They both have done nothing but ruin this country financially.

I dont think either one of them Bush or Obama hate this country, but both failed policies have caused so much harm to this country.

Stop trying to justify your political agenda, and reach conclusions on your own rather than useing talking points from either side.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 1:54 PM

What is DU?

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Obama is a shoe-in to win because the majority of the public finds the guy extremely likable. I don’t see it, but facts are facts, and the GOP’ers nominated a guy that people cannot stand personally, so the whole election is just a formality at this point. The same thing happened in 96 when poor Bob Dole never stood a chance vs Clinton.

gumbyandpokey on April 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Your comparison of ’12 to ’96 is far off. Economy was stable in 1996, DJIA just set a new record of 6000 then. Compare that to the poor economy, high unemployment rate, unreal deficits and national debt in 2012. Cool and likeability can only fool the public for so long. The reality check is correct: Barry “may” be a nice guy, but he is a poor leader, a failed president and is in way over his head.

galtani on April 29, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Sorry but facts are facts. Look what happened to Romney on cookiegate. He came off cold just for pointing out the cookies were not home made. Like he thinks this is still the fifties when all moms actually baked cookies. It is not now days the important thing is to know where to buy the best cookies.

Mitt is simply not likeable. He is cold, arogant and aloof. Obama is just the opposite. Likeableness is something that comes natural for him and he is drop dead gorgeous. If you do not see it you actually are racist or a man (lol some men only see themselves).

Wish the Presidency was not a Mr America contest but it is.

But if you want economics here it is. Close to 50% of Americans get Government handouts in one form or another. These people know that Obama is more likely to increase these benefits Romney will most likely cut them. We all know this economic crisis is the worst in our lifetime to blame it on Obama is false. I hate Obama but also understand this crisis would have been bad no matter who was President. Sure Obama made it worst but most people will not see that because the Press is 100% for Obama.

No Moderate Republican has won in 40 years and Mitt is the worst candidate in 40 years. Mitt will not win. He has not a message that is convincing enough to vote for him.

Steveangell on April 29, 2012 at 2:07 PM

BARRY’S MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The WAR on TERRORS most INTEL RICH TARGET … and we bust a cap in his HEAD!!!!!!!

Starting ti understand how the people in the old Soviet Union felt reading Pravda or watching the Statist Stooges on State TV. Their solution…. Vodka & Laughter.

opps gotta go… gotta catch a flight and ya gotta give the GubRmint Goons plenty of time to radiate and grope me.

Cheers

roflmao

donabernathy on April 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Stop trying to justify your political agenda, and reach conclusions on your own rather than useing talking points from either side.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM

I totally agree.

Fact is for now both parties are controlled by Progressives.

Progressive was invented by Communist after the word Communist became poison in America. It means progress towards Communism. Now I would argue most Democrats are Communist as the Communist Party was endorsing almost every Democrat until this was pointed out. The Democrats require absolute loyalty on all major planks. A good portion of Republicans are also Progressives though some think they can derail the progress before we become communist others do not understand what Progressives really stand for.

But this is why no Administration ever allows the previous Administration to be investigated. Both Parties have the same eventual goal. Democrats want Communism soon. Republicans want it later. But both want it.

The entire Republican Party is not Progressive. Many are not especially in Congress where perhaps 90 are not Progressive. But the Progressives rule thus the reason no contempt of Congress citations have been issued.

Mitt is so Progressive I consider him a Communist just a little less liberal than Obama but more liberal by far than any other Republican of note. He actually supported Obama Care and wrote Op eds trying to get Susan Collins to vote for it his neighboring Senator. Biggest reason he can not possibly beat Obama he is far too much like Obama.

Steveangell on April 29, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Steveangell on April 29, 2012 at 2:25 PM

I am not too sure I would go as far to say that either party wants communisim, however I would go as far to say that both parties want to control/own different aspects of our lives.

The right wants us to obey their social agendas, and live in their minds, they claim they want people to be free, but that is only so long as you go by their beliefs.

The left wants to control what you own and can buy, but do not want to get involved in your beliefs.

They both try to influence our lives, just in different aspects of it.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Steveangell on April 29, 2012 at 2:25 PM</blockquote

I should of also said:

Both want you to be like and do as what they want, and not what we want.

They want you to live your life as they see how it should be lived and by their rules.

Regardless of party.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Bush was as much as a bad president as Obama, they both are / were terrible.

patdollard is nothing but a political hack, I read the article and it holds little weight, I doubt anyone overrode the President, and I also doubt Bush was overrode by Cheney as people claimed all those years.

They both have done nothing but ruin this country financially.

I dont think either one of them Bush or Obama hate this country, but both failed policies have caused so much harm to this country.

Stop trying to justify your political agenda, and reach conclusions on your own rather than useing talking points from either side.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Sorry dude but the country started going downhill when the congress changed in 2007.Check the stats. Unemployment, deficits,spending,all that was in good shape until the dems took over congress.We even had a budget every year not over 1,000 days apart.
it’s has been all down hill ever since with the election of ozero just compounding the downfall.
It was never our side that decided that people who couldn’t afford a house should get one anyway just because they were alive and had a job!!That time bomb is all a democrat party creation.ever heard of Franklin Raines?
If you can’t see it your eyes are not open.
Also zero has never run a lemonade stand,he doesn’t have the creds. We don’t even know if he attended any of the schools he is supposed to have gone to,no grades no no nothing on this Manchurian.
By the way the DU is the democrat Underground it’s where you belong.

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Check the stats. Unemployment, deficits,spending,all that was in good shape until the dems took over congress

Um, No, you are wrong. Go look again at your statistics.

Bush took over with a SURPLUS, that was gone right away by his tax cuts and Unfunded wars.

That was the huge mistake, not funding the wars.

Unemployment in 2000 was 4.0
2001 4.7
2002 5.8
2003 6.0
2004 5.5
2005 5.1
2006 4.6
2007 4.6
2008 5.8
2009 9.3
2010 9.6

See a trend 2001 to 2007? It was higher as well.

President George W. Bush inherited a surplus, with projections by the Congressional Budget Office for ever-increasing surpluses, assuming continuation of the good economy and President Bill Clinton’s policies. But every year starting in 2002, the budget fell into deficit

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24sun4.html

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I was impressed by all of the talk about Romney’s statements challenging the Democrats with his conservative proposals. /s

DannoJyd on April 29, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Um, No, you are wrong. Go look again at your statistics.

Bush took over with a SURPLUS, that was gone right away by his tax cuts and Unfunded wars.

That was the huge mistake, not funding the wars.

Unemployment in 2000 was 4.0
2001 4.7
2002 5.8
2003 6.0
2004 5.5
2005 5.1
2006 4.6
2007 4.6
2008 5.8
2009 9.3
2010 9.6

See a trend 2001 to 2007? It was higher as well.

President George W. Bush inherited a surplus, with projections by the Congressional Budget Office for ever-increasing surpluses, assuming continuation of the good economy and President Bill Clinton’s policies. But every year starting in 2002, the budget fell into deficit

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24sun4.html

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Ya know ace it looks like to me that in 2007 when the Congress changed the unemployment rate was 4.6% using your numbers.
Hows it been doing since then?
YOu forgot to address the rest of my argument,typical dem rat. Selectively using the few facts that might make your case but so often never do.

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I am not argueing that unemployment went up under Democrats, I am argueing that it went up under Republicans as well.

I am also stateing that the SURPLUS was gone under Bush and Republicans. The policies put in place under Clinton would of kept the defecit in check, Republicans immediately blew that and started the defecit spending that put the economy in turmoil.

Lets not forget Ken Lay, Enron. Bush’s friend there.

Also, saving and loan crisis, another Republican created mess.

I am not defending Democrats, I am saying both parties did this, not one.

Unlike you saying the republicans had nothing to do with this mess.

And btw, I am not a democrat. I speak by process of investigation on my own, and not by talking points from either party.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Oh yeah. and Bush resume did not look good either, he ran every business he had into the ground.

Arbusto, an oil exploration company, lost money, but it got considerable investments (nearly $5 million) because even losing oil investments were useful as tax shelters.
Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. bought out Arbusto in 1984 and hired Mr. Bush to run the company’s oil interests in Midland, Texas. The oil business collapsed as oil prices plummeted by 1986, and Spectrum 7 Energy was near failure.
Harken Energy acquired Mr. Bush’s Spectrum 7 Energy shares, and he got Harken shares, a directorship, and a consulting arrangement in return. Harken, under Bush, brought in Saudi real estate tycoon Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh as a board member and a major investor. Over the next few years, Harken would turn out to have links to: Saudi money, CIA-connected Filipinos, the Harvard Endowment, the emir of Bahrain, and the shadowy Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
A 1991 internal SEC document suggested George W. Bush violated federal securities law at least 4 times in the late 1980s and early 1990s in selling Harken stock while serving as a director of Harken. This is essentially the same kind of activity that Martha Stewart is going to prison over. Except at the time of the investigation, Mr. Bush’s father was president and the case was quietly dropped.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 4:24 PM

rodguy911 on April 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM

And the Democrats as well as Republicans had a hand in the financial breakdown of the US economy. I do not put blame on one side, I put it on both sides.

But here is some information for you being the mis-informed.

There’s plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn’t fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn’t do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of “layered irresponsibility … with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role.” Here’s a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:
■The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.
■Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.
■Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.
■Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.
■The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.
■Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.
■Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.
■Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.
■The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.
■An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.
■Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM

They want you to live your life as they see how it should be lived and by their rules.

Regardless of party.

damian1967 on April 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Yes. But that is Communism.

They have learned though. They have at least for the time being eliminated the genocide that Communism demands. They have learned that calcification is a more effective method of control that generally does not end up destroying the system. This is what Putin uses now days. He murders all the time but carefully selects his targets while also carefully choosing his political prisoners to frame for domestic crimes. He uses criminal elements to do the murders so they are not tied to him directly.

However I do believe Obama while using this same tactic does intend for the final result to be Sharia Law.

Steveangell on April 29, 2012 at 5:21 PM

So the regime is saying that the War On Terror is over..
interesting..my son just told me this afternoon that for the first time in 2 years..the major league ball parks were on a higher alert than usual(trust me on this) …probably 1st anniv. of OBL being whacked…
and, Damien, as far as President Bush’s suits costing 14K??? are you totally delusional…maybe John Fraud Kerry’s do..he served in Viet Nam , you know…

Xango Annie on April 29, 2012 at 6:53 PM

I love comments from Trolls trying to be clever—- “I’m not a democrat but this is Bush’s fault” LOL….

Truth be told, we have totally lost focus. Politicians ain’t going to save our azz…

Alexis de Tocqueville said and I paraphrase:
“You can’t have freedom without morality, and you can’t have morality without God”

“Where in the hell are the Churches”
a damn timely piece from the always loud JoeDan Gorman about the elephant in the room…

deedtrader on April 30, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Isn’t it sad that the titular leader of the GOP remains less impressive than an unknown candidate for the Senate?

Exclusive – Mourdock: ‘Confront Democrats and Convert Them’

Now that is change you can believe in.

DannoJyd on April 30, 2012 at 2:50 AM