Oh, Florida. Nelson surging over Mack

posted at 9:16 am on April 28, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Something seems to be going on in Florida, and we’re not talking about giant mice or a dearth of space shuttle activity. I was first alerted to this by our friend William Jacobson who posed the question, “Can Florida be salvaged?” Having been unaware that the Sunshine State was in any imminent danger of being “lost” I read on to see the results of a recent Rasmussen poll he was referencing.

Incumbent Democrat Bill Nelson now posts double-digit leads over all three of his Republican challengers in Florida’s 2012 U.S. Senate race.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Florida Voters shows Nelson with 47% support to 36% for Congressman Connie Mack, his leading GOP opponent. Ten percent (10%) like some other candidate in the race, and seven percent (7%) are undecided.

Even with six full months left for this to play out, is it time to hit the panic button over the Florida Senate seat? Paul Mirengoff calls it a “wake up call” over the fact that Mack has run what many describe as a lackluster, tepid campaign. But as always, we watch the trends more than the hard numbers in these polls, so we have to ask whether or not there’s enough data yet to draw conclusions.

As Jacobson and Mirengoff both note, this race has been bouncing around all over the place since the beginning of the year. Mack and Nelson were tied in February and Mack was actually slightly ahead in March. Thus far this is more of a sine wave than a dead slide, so it doesn’t appear terribly predictive.

The second point to consider is that the Florida GOP hopefuls are still involved in the primary process which always tends to depress the challengers’ numbers. The head to head match-up between Mack and Nelson includes not only 7% undecided, but 10% who prefer “some other candidate.” Those “others” include George LeMieux and Mike McCalister, each of whom score in the 30% range against Nelson. If the field clears and Connie Mack is the nominee, assuming he puts most of that 10% back in his pocket, we’re back to a tie inside the margins.

And finally, this is Florida we’re talking about. It’s a vast state with so many different demographic strongholds that it practically creates its own weather, as the saying goes. You can be standing inside of downtown Miami and then take a trip up to the panhandle and it’s like being in two different worlds. Winning a race there is almost as challenging as coming up with any accurate polling.

Bottom line? This one is far from being ripe enough to call, so nobody should be hitting the panic button just yet. But I agree that Mack hasn’t exactly been burning up the track in terms of running a high voltage campaign and the GOP may want to look into ways to pump up the energy levels there.


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Just get Rubio out there campaigning for him. He can fix anything.

Night Owl on April 28, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Still pretty early… no need to panic yet…

Khun Joe on April 28, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Yawn. Another poll!

gerrym51 on April 28, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Still pretty early… no need to panic yet…

Khun Joe on April 28, 2012 at 9:21 AM

This Florida Republican is in full panic mode. I can’t stand Mack.

joekenha on April 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Shouldn’t the magical abilities of Jeb Bush deliver this seat automatically?

promachus on April 28, 2012 at 9:29 AM

This Florida Republican is in full panic mode. I can’t stand Mack.

joekenha on April 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Who names a man “Connie” anyway?

Night Owl on April 28, 2012 at 9:30 AM

…6 months away!…it’s like being pregnant…nothing really shows until you get closer to the event.

KOOLAID2 on April 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM

The second point to consider is that the Florida GOP hopefuls are still involved in the primary process which always tends to depress the challengers’ numbers.

Yeah. You’ve got opponents within your own party putting you down. It’s always going to depress your numbers. I have to wait until after the primary to start being concerned.

rbj on April 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Get Mitt down there to campaign for Mack pronto. Even just a tiny smidgen. His endorsement is golden. Right?

ddrintn on April 28, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Look for all practical purposes there is not any real campaigning going on. I believe most people do not even know who the republicans are who are running. Only the political junkies are paying attention. There have been a few ads, (Mostly poorly done if anyone is listening) knocking Bill Nelson, but really we are getting a short break.

The primary for state offices is not until August 14.

I would assume whoever the candidate is for the Senate and any other office will closely link every democrat to Obama.

I for one am glad we are not being bombarded with ads for a little while.

DVPTexFla on April 28, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Paul Mirengoff calls it a “wake up call” over the fact that Mack has run what many describe as a lackluster, tepid campaign.

I live in Florida and I don’t think there is even a campaign going on at all at this point for Senate. At least not as far as the general public is concerned.

whbates on April 28, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Nelson has a better chance of winning if Mack is the nominee. The better of the candidates is George Lemieux. He was the man appointed to the seat after Mel Martinez resigned. He was also Charlie Crist’s campaign manager and one of the first to support Rubio over Crist in the Senate race.

I’m not sure where the campaign is, at this stage, but no Senate candidate is doing a lot of advertising at this point. The reason I say Mack is the more vulnerable is because he has more baggage to exploit and, Nelson being a Democrat, you can be sure he’ll exploit it. Lemieux needs some name recognition, which Rubio could give him, so it will be interesting to see if Rubio stays neutral or gets involved.

My slogan for Lemieux, “Experienced over Entitled”

bflat879 on April 28, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Mack is the GOP conressman who compared the AZ immigration law to Nazi Germany.

Jon0815 on April 28, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Said before here that the GOP will not take back the Senate, and if Nelson is winning this easily, it’s not a good sign.

gumbyandpokey on April 28, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I’ll be worried when the actual race begins.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Nelson is completely useless. The only good that comes out of nelson being our state senator is for the democratic party and nelson. He screws florida every chance he gets. I’d love to hear what his campaign is promoting because it has to be all boiler plate BS.

aniptofar on April 28, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Just a couple articles I bookmarked about Connie Mack:

What’s the matter with Connie Mack?

As always, it’s never one thing that leads a candidate to struggle. But, in conversations with a number of leading Florida Republican strategists they point to cockiness as Mack’s downfall — painting a picture of a candidate too confident to interact well with donors, activists or the press.

“The whole entitled sense of ‘Kiss the ring’ comes across in screaming clarity at every event,” said one experienced Florida strategist.

Here’s a look at where — and why — Mack has underwhelmed to date.



Connie Mack preaches penny-pinching on campaign trail, but has past of debt and liens

Congressman Connie Mack has made penny-pinching debt-reduction central to his U.S. Senate campaign, but privately he has struggled at times with borrowing and paying his own obligations, court records show.

Mack sometimes appeared to spend more than he earned, had property liens filed against him, overdrew his bank account and didn’t have enough money to pay his federal income taxes after his 2004 congressional election, according to court records from Fort Myers to Jacksonville to Fort Lauderdale.

His finances aside, the records also show that Mack in his youth got into four confrontations — from an arrest at a nightclub to a bar brawl with a pro baseball player. Later, while in Congress, his estranged wife accused him of not living in his Fort Myers district and of using his influence to strong-arm her during their divorce.

When asked this week if candidates’ private lives should mirror the public policies they advocate, Mack suggested it was fair game.

Come back, Adam Hasner!

joekenha on April 28, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Mack is the GOP conressman who compared the AZ immigration law to Nazi Germany.

Jon0815 on April 28, 2012 at 9:42 AM

With friends like this…

In 2010, Mack made national news when he reference the Arizona Immigration Law to Nazi Germany, immediately putting the congressman on every conservative activists’ black list. Mack continues to stand by what he said regarding the law, but he is now remorseful and said that he would take back the reference to “Nazis”. Mack added that he opposed President George W. Bush when he tried to pass the infamous McCain-Kennedy Immigration reform bill in 2007.

Link

joekenha on April 28, 2012 at 9:49 AM

The important number is Nelson can only get to 47. He is vulnerable if the R’s will run a credible candidate.

exdeadhead on April 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Sometimes I get the feeling Rasmussen is trying to light a fire under the GOP to increase turnout…

BKeyser on April 28, 2012 at 10:10 AM

This is Connie Mack the Third, or Fourth, or Fifth of something.
During the primary, there were radio ads from the challenger that he was essentially a spoiled brat douchebag, with a penchant for fisticuffs and debt.

I’m pretty sure he is hoping to win on name recognition.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m getting rather tired of political dynasties.
That doesn’t mean I’ll vote for a Dem though.

libertynow on April 28, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Get Mitt down there to campaign for Mack pronto. Even just a tiny smidgen. His endorsement is golden. Right?

ddrintn on April 28, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Yeah, like Palin’s was for Joe Miller in 2010 and Newty in South Carolina.

cicerone on April 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM

There has been little or no campaigning yet. Relax.

peacenprosperity on April 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Why the sense of panic all the time? Please stop, I wanna get off. You all might make me do something stupid, like get all fired up and vote for a third party candidate.

Fuquay Steve on April 28, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Nelson is completely useless. The only good that comes out of nelson being our state senator is for the democratic party and nelson. He sticks it to florida every chance he gets. I’d love to hear what his campaign is promoting because it has to be all boiler plate and without any substance.

I think a zombie should be able to beat him.

aniptofar on April 28, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Slightly O/T…
Anybody seen polling for (well against really) Debbie Downer?

rightangle on April 28, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Jazz Shaw writes how the housing market is coming back (despite no proof other than some lib writer at BI) and Florida is lost (with an incumbent under 50%).

He needs to be canned from Hot Air.

kevinkristy on April 28, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Jazz, Your next post should be how cool Obama is… And then later on maybe a post about the anniversary of Osama Bin Laden’s kill. Kind of bleed it into the cool Obama meme.

kevinkristy on April 28, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Just a couple articles I bookmarked about Connie Mack:

What’s the matter with Connie Mack?

Come back, Adam Hasner!

joekenha on April 28, 2012 at 9:46 AM

They were playing the media really hard on these but lately nothing. The Mack team wasn’t refuting them.

I was on a conference call with Adam Hasner early on. He seemed to be a great candidate and I wonder why he couldn’t get traction.

CoffeeLover on April 28, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Slightly O/T…
Anybody seen polling for (well against really) Debbie Downer?

rightangle on April 28, 2012 at 10:47 AM

I’ve seen nothing on her race. There was some activity from Repub. Joe Kaufman almost every week…and now nothing. I saw one article from Rep. Karen Harrington (who waged a horrible campaign in ’10 and is running again).

DWS was so safe in ’10 she went up to Allen West’s District to campaign against him.

I am so hoping for a national viral campaign to unseat her despite her district reaching into Adventura and N. Miami Beach where her base is.

CoffeeLover on April 28, 2012 at 11:20 AM

CoffeeLover

Thank you. And yes, she must go. Toss up on who I despise more, her or b0zo.

rightangle on April 28, 2012 at 11:45 AM

An incumbent under 50% is in trouble unless his opposition field is split between two or more viable opponents.

FL isn’t having problems until his opponents shake themselves out.

Then he is having problems.

ajacksonian on April 28, 2012 at 11:46 AM

One cannot Prove the existence of God, based on ‘Rules of Evidence’ that would withstand scrutiny in a courtroom. This is due to the finite thinking we are limited to as well as other factors.

However, one can argue for the acceptance of a Creator Being on other levels.

The first thing one needs to understand is that God, in the case of humanity, did not want to create a bunch of Automations who would simply worship and obey without question. Such was not beyond His ability, but it was also something that has, most likely, already been done. Man has been able to create Robots, so let’s just assume it was not on the list at the time of creation.

Enter Free Will.

Now then, if we are free to Make a choice, we have to ACTUALLY be FREE to make a choice. Absolute, undeniable, concrete PROOF that God exists will “persuade” on the wrong level. As with conversion by the sword you get a lot of participation, but very little actual willing commitment. So Proof is going to be pretty much out of the question.

However, ambiguous proof is another story. And there is a plethora of ambiguous proof that exists. Enough for us to see and process, but still enough to allow us to Freely Choose what we will believe.

And make no mistake, belief is a choice!

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist
…Keyser Söze quoting Baudelaire

Why would a loving God allow… yada yada yada

Why would a loving creator of a computer allow that computer to be turned off?

Never forget, God sees things from a different perspective than humans do. Therefore it doesn’t make sense to judge God by human standards. (A six year old may judge their parents to be Mean for not allowing them to accept that wonderful candy from that stranger in the dilapidated van, but another adult may see the situation differently.)

So why loose the devil upon the earth?

Just to make it difficult?

Or to create a Valid Choice?

Again, it’s all about choice and choosing. Which is why conservatives are more often religious and Liberals are more often not. Liberals like to limit choice in the name of providing choice. (See Obamacare for a complete illustration of a One Size Fits All approach being advertised as being given more choices.) At some point liberalism always resorts to coercion in order to gain its ends because when given an actual choice, people tend not to make the RIGHT choice. (i. e. they vote not to limit access to guns in Washington State – Initiative 676; or the outcome of Prop 8 in California; etc.)

God is the source of genuine Individual Liberty. Collectivists need not apply.

So, in the end, it is not subject to proof but choice. And it is up to you to choose while you can, because once the heart stops beating the votes are tallied.

God has one vote, the devil has one vote, and you cast the deciding ballot.

jaydee_007 on April 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Apologize – wrong thread for the coment above. And no Delete Coment ability.

jaydee_007 on April 28, 2012 at 11:51 AM

I’ve never lived in Florida.
I saw this Connie Mack interviewed by friendly Bill Hemer on Fox News and to say I was underwhelmed would be putting it mildly.
So he’s Connie Mack the 4th and his oldest son is Connie Mack the 5th.

Yeah, I’d vote for the OTHER Republican.

Marcus on April 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM

The reason for the astronut Bill Nelson’s lead in the polls is exactly the same reason we ended up with a Mitt Romney.
Divided Republican’s and Unified Moonbats.
Connie Mack will probably win the primary and I’m just gonnna do like the left and just make up stuff. Like He still manages the Philadelphia A’s or somethinng.
Nelson is wayyy too liberal for this state. All that needs to be done is point to this fool’s voting record.
That is, if we can ever stop the infighting.

polokfla on April 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Get Mitt down there to campaign for Mack pronto. Even just a tiny smidgen. His endorsement is golden. Right?

ddrintn on April 28, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Yeah, like Palin’s was for Joe Miller in 2010 and Newty in South Carolina.

cicerone on April 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM

There appears to be some dispute as to whether it was an endorsement endorsement when Palin said she’d vote for him if she were there, but didn’t Newt win the SC primary?

But here’s another one Palin endorsed who lost: Carly Fiorina. Of course, Mitt endorsed her, too.

Cancelled each other out, I suppose. Because Carly lost to the stupidest woman in the U.S. Senate. By almost 10 points. She’s actually touted around here as a possible Mitt VP running mate, too. Business executive like he is or something.

Back to Florida. State’s still recovering from the scorched earth primaries. Voters start paying attention in late August. And they won’t have forgotten Romney– one way or the other– when he returns to campaign for Mack.

de rigueur on April 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Polls don’t matter until a candidate is chosen.

Anybody falling for this eeyore sh*t is a sucker.

fossten on April 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Plus his name is Cornelius McGillicuddy. Now how are you going to win a Senate race with that name?

Jaibones on April 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I blame my wife’s moonbat sister’s family, originally from bluest MA and NY, moving to FL from Ohio

philw1776 on April 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Who names a man “Connie” anyway?

Night Owl on April 28, 2012 at 9:30 AM

The grandson of a Baseball Hall of Famer.

blammm on April 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Who names a man “Connie” anyway?

Night Owl on April 28, 2012 at 9:30 AM

A baseball fan, probably.

Cornelius McGillicuddy, AKA “Connie Mack” Philadelphia A’s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connie_Mack

crosspatch on April 28, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Sorry folks, but it’s time for an across the boards GOP loss again in 2012. The ridiculously lackluster crop of candidates, the completely feckless, outmaneuvered House leadership, the inability of anybody on the national GOP team (save Paul Ryan or Rand Paul) to articulate an alternative vision effectively.

Unfortunately, this thing has to play out to its painful end. This is too far gone down the European social welfare state model and cultural decline to fix itself. The weak and diseased members of the heard must country must be culled. A cleansing fire of horrific fiscal and financial collapse is coming. Let Barack Obama be the first president to declare nationwide martial law in the midst of the 2nd Great Depression and at the beginning of the 2nd American Revolution. California is showing the way for the nation. Parasitic public employees and politicians destroying businesses and driving out productive citizens. Let it happen at the national level.

Let’s get this over with so we can start rebuilding the real American dream–with the parasites having been purged.

PD Quig on April 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Nelson is one of those Democrats who will vote with the party all time time, except if he needs cover, then they’ll let him vote no on stuff where they don’t need him and they know Floridians don’t like it.

I subscribe to his e-mails and he pretty well tows the party line.

bflat879 on April 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM

PD Quig on April 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I don’t agree with you on the House. There is only so much that can be done with a Senate and White House being held by Democrats. The House has sent several pieces of important legislation that addresses our economics and budget issues to the Senate where it has died.

In the Senate, we have a problem. In many areas we have Republicans who want to put the cart before the horse. They want to start running unknown candidates to replace established candidates before we have a majority. That’s risky business because the relatively unknown candidates can and often do go down to defeat. The result will likely be a split Senate or only the slimmest of margins for the Republican.

What the Republicans need to do have a very broad campaign. Candidates at all levels need to point out the utter failure of the Democrats and ask for voters for a “team change”. While this has often been done at the state and local levels, it needs to be done across the board.

So if there is a popular Republican mayor or state politician such as a state Senator or Representative, they need to campaign for a broader team and ask the people to simply put a Republican team into Washington so we can address these problems. The Democrats simply are not going to do it. Every suggestion they have simply makes things worse.

In fact, I would continuously hammer the people with information like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

To show that it was the DEMOCRATS who blocked the changes needed to have avoided the housing market crisis that took down the rest of the financial system. And their only proposals are more of the same. They simply want to lay more sacrificial cash on their sacred altar of government spending while they chant Keynesian mantras.

crosspatch on April 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM

…6 months away!…it’s like being pregnant…nothing really shows until you get closer to the event.

KOOLAID2 on April 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Problem is that only 2 months ago they were dead even, Nelson and Lack. Now its in double digits for Nelson.

I posted this last nigh, seems HA bloggers are catching up slowly. OH, PA, VA and FL will go for Hussein, unfortunately. Both OH and PA have recently voted for uber liberals (and unions), VA is full of DC government employees/consultants who are by now used to suck the place dry while the going is good, they won’t vote themselves out of jobs, its not in human nature and with 4 more years of graft they can retire once Hussein does in 2016.

FL “allows” for some NYers to vote in NY and then in FL, look at 2008 elections, too many NYers have property in FL as well as relatives. Those senile old Jews will vote how their children tell them to, that’s a huge block.

Too many out there have this false sense of security, that map Rove produced this week may be way more accurate than most think it is. NV, CO are more than in play, Moochelle is coming to Vegas soon for yet another fund raiser, by now it is obvious that they have more than enough fans out here than someone like Romney (even with hefty mormon block here).

riddick on April 28, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Remember the Rubio/Crist/wheverthefthatdemocratwas back in ’10?

The polls were equally effed until closer to election time. Remember, many Orlando and Miami cell phones ring in Massachusetts and NYC.

Sekhmet on April 28, 2012 at 1:39 PM

riddick on April 28, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Your concern is noted.

fossten on April 28, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Mike McCalister would be the guy I would vote for, he’s awesome and a fantastic speaker. He no doubt would be the most conservative as well, the question is whether he can win and in terms of charisma I think his old school military persona would be appealing, but I don’t know anything about the type of organization he is running.

Mack is a good guy, but if he’s running a weak campaign then what is the point of voting for him? Name recognition won’t get you elected, you need to be able to fight for it and I don’t want to lose the chance to pick up a seat in Florida because the Florida Republicans voted for a John McCain.

Nelson voted for Obamacare and the 500 million it cut from medicare for funding, Nelson should be toast.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 2:43 PM

This is stupid. Connie Mack hasn’t even started campaigning yet. Not one commercial or flyer has been produced.

jan3 on April 28, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Who is this jazz shaw guy? He’s surrendering Florida, claiming the housing industry is improving (which all credible sources disprove) and putting pictures of homosexuals kissing on the front page. Is this really what Hot Air was started for?

peacenprosperity on April 28, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Womeone educate me, what is a problem with LeMieux? He definitely doesn’t strike me as RINO type.

Archivarix on April 28, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Shouldn’t the magical abilities of Jeb Bush deliver this seat automatically?

promachus on April 28, 2012 at 9:29 AM

added to the awesome talent of Rubio … this is a slam dunk /s

conservative tarheel on April 28, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Womeone educate me, what is a problem with LeMieux? He definitely doesn’t strike me as RINO type.

Archivarix on April 28, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I don’t think there is anything wrong with him, but I’m not that famniliar with him. The only reason why we know who he is, is because Charlie Crist named him Senator to replace Mel Martinez and any association to Crist is like being in contact with the bubonic plague.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 3:10 PM

He’s surrendering Florida, claiming the housing industry is improving (which all credible sources disprove)

peacenprosperity on April 28, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Care to post your credible sources?

FL real estate IS improving, by all measurements. I personally know more and more people buying apts/houses there, just in the past few months, and prices are increasing. We spent 2 months last year looking for a house rental, nothing “affordable” showed up, mostly older/delapidated houses and monthly rents that only were going up by the week. So, personal experience here.

Nelson voted for Obamacare and the 500 million it cut from medicare for funding, Nelson should be toast.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Look at what I posted above. Nelson and Mack (his nearest GOP challenger) were dead even 2 months ago, Nelson is now in double digits lead, even by local GOP admission (very key here). GOP is not happy with Mack for not campaigning “properly”, but then again this is the same GOP hacks that re-districted Allen West into a pro-Dem district instead of shoring him up. Do not count FL as GOP this year unless these hacks start turning things around and do it now, in another 2 months it will be too late.

Look at numbers and not just today, but at numbers 2-3-4 months back, and then compare them to today. FL is full of old, senile retirees and Hussein’s massage that Paul’s budget will throw them off the cliff is pretty effective, it seems. You can’t fix stupid, unfortunately.

Biggest problem I see lately is way too much over-confidence on the GOP side (or anti-Hussein, whatever strikes your fancy). People assume that only because such blocks as Hollywood and music moguls, or Wall Street, or unions, are speaking out against Hussein lately, but in reality these people will NEVER vote for a GOP candidate, they have proven time and again they will vote for a D in the end, even a dead one. So it all talk and come November Hussein will have traditional democrat votes in addition to all the people on public dole who would not vote against their own guaranteed checks.

riddick on April 28, 2012 at 3:13 PM

riddick on April 28, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I did read your above post, but it’s a little too defeatist considering it is still very early. The Florida GOP may be a joke, but the Mack campaign, like the Romney campaign, has been focused on the primary and not the general election. There is still plenty of reason to keep hope alive.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 3:21 PM

FL real estate IS improving, by all measurements. I personally know more and more people buying apts/houses there, just in the past few months, and prices are increasing. We spent 2 months last year looking for a house rental, nothing “affordable” showed up, mostly older/delapidated houses and monthly rents that only were going up by the week. So, personal experience here.

I just wanted to comment on house rental pricing Riddick: rental prices are always up when purchase prices are low. I’m looking to move to Florida myself with family and at least along the western coast the prices are still very affordable. People don’t feel comfortable yet buying homes and prefer to rent making it a high demand market, so naturally the prices are going to be higher.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 3:28 PM

There is still plenty of reason to keep hope alive.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I really hope so. I do understand that right now Mack’s numbers seem low because there are 2 other GOP candidates usurping those numbers and once they drop out Mack’s will improve, or rather should. But still, Nelson gaining double digits in the past 2 months seem troubling, looks like Hussein’s messages, as fact free and lying as they are, are finding their target audiences. 2008 was a test run for Dems as well in terms of voting in multi-states, a number were caught voting in NY and then flying to OH and Fl and voting there later in the day (or via absentee ballots). I expect this to be used to a greater extent this time around, people who shared in the $1.5 TRILLION graft in the past 3+ years won’t give up the free and easy money without a fight.

riddick on April 28, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I just wanted to comment on house rental pricing Riddick: rental prices are always up when purchase prices are low. I’m looking to move to Florida myself with family and at least along the western coast the prices are still very affordable. People don’t feel comfortable yet buying homes and prefer to rent making it a high demand market, so naturally the prices are going to be higher.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 3:28 PM

I personally know people who bought on both coasts. Southern FL and Miami area prices ARE improving, all those tall apartment buildings were sitting empty for a couple of years, they are selling well right now with few discounts, if any. Friends of mine just got back from Miami area looking for an apartment to buy for their son who goes to school there, I can assure you that they didn’t find “cheap” prices everyone is talking about. I also know someone in NV (has been a real estate investor here) and he just moved to Miami area and that is a sign there are opportunities there.

I am not saying that every county in FL is improving, but some are, especially the southern part. Hell, even some areas of NV are improving and there is a “shortage” of new houses right now in Vegas area, of all places. I am looking at an entire block of just finished houses and more coming up, right outside my window right now, I am sure the builder is not stupid enough to invest in them and then wait for years until they sell, there must be demand.

riddick on April 28, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Mack can’t seem to make a case for why he’s running except that his daddy was a senator, so he should be one too..

AngusMc on April 28, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Connie Mack is a joke. This is a guy who took seven and a half years to complete college. Been arrested for drunken brawls. His only real job was an events coordiantor for hooters. He was sued by his yatch club, stiffed his lawyer. Bounced checks while in congress. I’m paraphrasing an attack ad from one of his republican opponents, George LeMieux. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzSty-BmWlI. Contrast this to Bill Nelson, who was a former astronaut and a self made man and its adds up to another blown opportunity for the GOP.

Ric on April 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM

I am sure the builder is not stupid enough to invest in them and then wait for years until they sell, there must be demand.

riddick on April 28, 2012 at 3:39 PM

A lot of contracters got burned in the 2008 crash because of artifical demand created by the subprime lending, subprime lending is on the rise yet again and when public policy meddles with the market it is very hard to tell what is true demand and what is artificial.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Connie Mack is a joke. This is a guy who took seven and a half years to complete college. Been arrested for drunken brawls. His only real job was an events coordiantor for hooters. He was sued by his yatch club, stiffed his lawyer. Bounced checks while in congress. I’m paraphrasing an attack ad from one of his republican opponents, George LeMieux. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzSty-BmWlI. Contrast this to Bill Nelson, who was a former astronaut and a self made man and its adds up to another blown opportunity for the GOP.

Ric on April 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Drunken brawls and 7 years of college don’t concern me one bit. I wasn’t much different 10 years ago myself and I am a very different person than I am today. The ivy league grads haven’t done squat to right this sinking ship and so what if he was an events coordinator at Hooters? He’s also a sitting Congressman with a real record that should be judged, personal attacks are just petty. Nelson may have been an astronaut, but apparently his head is still in space because he voted for Obamacare, the Stimulus, and to cut medicare.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I defended Mack there, but I do like Mike McCalister.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 4:55 PM

A lot of contracters got burned in the 2008 crash because of artifical demand created by the subprime lending, subprime lending is on the rise yet again and when public policy meddles with the market it is very hard to tell what is true demand and what is artificial.

Daemonocracy on April 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Except in 2008 they already had the houses built. This is different, there IS a shortage of new houses in Vegas right now. Apartments, no, plenty of empty high risers, you just need to drive by them at night to see that just a few apartments are occupied, although some are second homes to be honest. But in general, for single family houses there is a shortage right now.

Apartments wise, they don’t seem to be selling here while entire Miami downtown seems to be selling well, these high risers were sitting completely empty back in 2008/2009.

In any case, Nelson wise, I really hope we are seeing some off numbers, but something tells me Nelson will pull this off.

riddick on April 28, 2012 at 5:42 PM

FL real estate IS improving, by all measurements

You really pulled that out of your butt. I’m a real estate appraiser and it’s not improving in any manner in my part of Florida or in the areas where I have associates and friends. If you know investors with alot of cash, great for them. Values are continuiing to depreciate and more people need to rent homes who no longer own them. None of that indicates the real estate situation is improving and at a certain point there will be a surplus of rental properties also.

peacenprosperity on April 28, 2012 at 6:04 PM

These Rassmussen polls are really willing to blab about the results they get, but not how they came up with them. You have to be a platinum member to see the demographics of who they called and who they talked to. How many actual men, actual women, and info by party. Before they massage the data. It’s not a useful poll unless I can think about those things for myself. No more Rassmussen.

Fleuries on April 28, 2012 at 9:39 PM