Labor Dep’t drops regulations banning kids from working on farms other than parents’

posted at 10:05 pm on April 26, 2012 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “Obama administration decides against picking pointless, hugely politically perilous fight in election year.”

“The decision to withdraw this rule — including provisions to define the ‘parental exemption’ — was made in response to thousands of comments expressing concerns about the effect of the proposed rules on small family-owned farms,” the Department said in a press release Thursday evening. “To be clear, this regulation will not be pursued for the duration of the Obama administration.” [Translation: "Please, please let's forget about this." -- ed.]

The rule would have dramatically changed what types of chores children under the age of 16 could perform on and around American farms. It would have prohibited them from working with tobacco, operating almost all types of power-driven equipment and being employed to work with raw farm materials.

“Prohibited places of employment would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions,” read a press release from last August…

Parents and children who grew up on farms across the country told TheDC that the rule was overprotective and would have prevented kids from learning valuable skills at early ages.

We didn’t blog this yesterday but I think part of the reason the original story broke big online was that some readers thought the regs would have barred kids from working on their own parents’ farm. Not so. See Doug Mataconis’s piece at Outside the Beltway clarifying that point. In fact, if you read down into Wednesday’s DC piece, it notes right there that there’s a parental exemption to the regulations. The concern was (a) that kids would be barred from doing “hazardous” chores for extended family like uncles and grandparents and (b) that the exemption might only apply to farms that are wholly owned by a child’s parents and not farms in which they own merely a share. Not sure that fear was well founded, though:

“It’s good the Labor Department rethought the ridiculous regulations it was going to stick on farmers and their families,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa. “To even propose such regulations defies common sense, and shows a real lack of understanding as to how the family farm works.”

The surprise move comes just two months after the Labor Department modified the rule in a bid to satisfy opponents. The agency made it clear it would exempt children who worked on farms owned or operated by their parents, even if the ownership was part of a complex partnership or corporate agreement

Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., a grain farmer known to till his fields on weekends away from Washington, had come out strongly against the proposed rule. The Democrat continued to criticize the Obama administration rule even after it was tempered earlier this year, saying the Labor Department “clearly didn’t get the whole message” from Montana’s farmers and ranchers.

What if several generations of a family own a farm together but don’t have the right type of ownership agreement? Who knows? Don’t sweat the details, though. The takeaway from this story is that someone in the Labor Department actually thought the White House would let them construct a “big liberal government clamping down on family farms in the heartland” narrative for the GOP six months out from a presidential election. I’m actually surprised it took them a whole day to back down. Presumably Axelrod had to wait to call Hilda Solis because he was literally rendered speechless.

Coming soon from the Labor Department, presumably: Exciting new regulations on mom and apple pie.



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It’s sad and incredible that a federal department can simply issue or rescind an order like this.

It seems entirely undemocratic.

reliapundit on April 26, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Yea now we can send the kids back out to the fields to work. /s
I can see the ads now that the Libs will use against the next R in the White House – “Kids are not field hands” tell Presdident Meany to back the House Bill.

LincolntheHun on April 26, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Don’t worry, labor department, PBHO will be quite flexible if he were to be reelected.

Bishop on April 26, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I bet a lot of kids help out on their neighbors farms also.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 10:09 PM

The objective is to produce a generation of kids who don’t work or know how. Then they go to college and demand their student loans to be forgiven.

John the Libertarian on April 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Too bad this isn’t an election year…

… or this gross over reach of government could be used as another example of Obowma, the out of control regulations of unelected bureaucrats (… oh, wait!), and the Democrat Party ideology in general.

Seven Percent Solution on April 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I bet a lot of kids help out on their neighbors farms also.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 10:09 PM

And probably for free. It used to be called “neighborly” Now it’s child slavery. Can I get reparations?

katy the mean old lady on April 26, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I wish they would have kept on going with it and piss off even more people. Surprised they even cared, Sebelius surely does not care about anyone telling her to stop, why does Solis!

bluemarlin on April 26, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Well, Allahpundit, you are upto your old tricks. You seem to have a predilection for posting every irrelevant garbage new item there is about Gov.Palin, but ignored her contribution to this walkback by the govt.?

promachus on April 26, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Farm kids have calloused hands from hard work and a hard-wired work ethic. Unlike the manicured hands of a coummunity organizer.

BHO Jonestown on April 26, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Don’t worry, labor department, PBHO will be quite flexible if he were to be reelected.

Bishop on April 26, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Yep

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Oh brother, the internal polling on this one had to be really bad!

But if King Obama is reelected, this all goes back on the table by executive order.

JPeterman on April 26, 2012 at 10:17 PM

It’s come to this…

d1carter on April 26, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Dems are not going to just sweep this under the rug. It will be an issue in the fall in numerous states, including some critical Senate races.

They have shown their ass, and we are going to kick it

matthew8787 on April 26, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I bet a lot of kids help out on their neighbors farms also.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Heck, I used to bail hay for free in exchange for hay to feed my animals. I certainly needed that option and those animals then helped me go on to college!

bluemarlin on April 26, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I know this article says the proposal came from the Labor Department but just to satisfy my curiosity is it ever possible to zero in on which particular idiot within confines of this useless bureaucratic behemoth actually floated this pointless idea? I know most of us think it was a dumb idea but I have to believe in LiberalLand this is the kind of thing that gets you a raise or promotion.

DaveDief on April 26, 2012 at 10:21 PM

When to the regs come out on Community Organizing..?

d1carter on April 26, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Bail = bale

bluemarlin on April 26, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Looking at that list of enumerated powers in that Constitution-thingie, again…..is there a reason the Department of Labor exists at a Federal level?

cthulhu on April 26, 2012 at 10:21 PM

I wish they would have kept on going with it and piss off even more people. Surprised they even cared, Sebelius surely does not care about anyone telling her to stop, why does Solis!

bluemarlin on April 26, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Tester (D) needs to hold onto his Senate seat come November, and I promise this bullsh1t doesn’t play at all well in Montana even among farmers who vote democrat.

Check out Tester’s republican opponent’s Campaign website he’s not letting up on Tester.

Dr Evil on April 26, 2012 at 10:21 PM

And of course the Omama regime will find a way to take credit for this in some perverted way – just wait and see.

greasywrench on April 26, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I am sure this is exactly what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they pledge their fortunes, their lives, and their sacred honor…

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Seven Percent Solution on April 26, 2012 at 10:26 PM

But they would be taking a job from a poor illegal! For shame!

katy the mean old lady on April 26, 2012 at 10:26 PM

They didn’t drop it. They postponed it until January.

LegendHasIt on April 26, 2012 at 10:27 PM

The EU has a big drive under way to destroy the individual-owned small farms. The U.N. has a big hand in the Labor/Farms U.S. initiative too.

This is ‘dead’ just for now.

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Don’t worry, labor department, PBHO will be quite flexible if he were to be reelected.

Bishop on April 26, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Well…phooey…I was going to post something similar to this.

Bishop mind-meld!!!

GrannyDee on April 26, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Coming soon from the Labor Department, presumably: Exciting new regulations on mom and apple pie.

“Got a permit from the Department of Health to bake those, Grandma?”

Socratease on April 26, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Wasn’t one of the big issues the government taking away 4-H/FFA farm safety course and trying to install a “90 minute government safety course”?

Rural kids whose parents don’t own farms but who want to be part of 4-H/FFA and show livestock usually find work on a friend’s farm. That would have been gone.

And many of those kids take out loans on cattle, raise them, show them, and sell them and save that money for college. That would have been gone too.

journeyintothewhirlwind on April 26, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Just think about it for a second…

… There is a legion of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats, that have been given their marching orders by Obowma to come up with stuff exactly like this.

We are only reacting in rage to the out of control regulations that leak out and see the night of day…

… Just imagine what will be unleashed if Obowma wins re-election?

Seven Percent Solution on April 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Any reading on how this will affect 4-H programs?

slickwillie2001 on April 26, 2012 at 10:31 PM

… Just imagine what will be unleashed if Obowma wins re-election?

Seven Percent Solution on April 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Yep.

GrannyDee on April 26, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Imagine that.
They create a law and the moment that Obama starts to get hammered over it all of a sudden the law is gone.
Apparently it wasn’t needed.

NeoKong on April 26, 2012 at 10:33 PM

7% is correct: This will be back, along with many additional regulations, if Obama is reelected.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM

What 2012 will be remembered for “Oh yeah”, any which way you think about it.

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM

The thought of this infuriates me. My brothers and I worked on my parent’s farm. It wasn’t unusual for friends who lived in town to come out and help, too. And if neighbors needed help we’d be there. My first job was working in a grain elevator. This law would have put an end to all of that except for us to work on our own farm. It’s just encouraging kids to be lazy. But, something tells me everyone would have ignored it.

behiker on April 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM

The objective is to produce a generation of kids who don’t work or know how. Then they go to college and demand their student loans to be forgiven.

John the Libertarian on April 26, 2012 at 10:10 PM

That objective has almost been fulfilled. This is an attempt to reign in the few who escaped the net.

I grew up in a farming community (crazy, maniacal Quakers and Mennonites) where everyone worked. It was a way of life, and we learned how to work from an early age. We also understood that we helped our neighbors. We didn’t wait for anyone ask for help – we offered gladly. No one stood by idly without lending a hand. Everyone helped, and the thought of letting a neighbor down would never occur. To do so would be a matter of shame.

It seems now that we should let children sit in front of the computer or TV, eat, click away and then yank their food away per MO’s instructions. While exercise was away of life and no one was fat in our community, we now have to convince them them that exercise is cool because MO does push ups in the WH with selected friends and for photo ops.

This last foray into government intervention is sickening. Leave people alone, and stop trying to destroy community integrity.

Cody1991 on April 26, 2012 at 10:35 PM

They didn’t drop it. They postponed it until January.

LegendHasIt on April 26, 2012 at 10:27 PM

What’s even more pathetic than Obama and his minions, incl. those at the U.N., big Labor, Solis and all other morons, are the ones on the right. Most who talked about it were merely polite about the topic. This should have had the right foaming madly.

But look who had steely ones.

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I remember my mom telling me of all the boys missing school in October for the harvest.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 10:38 PM

If I were a farmer I’d defy this stupid rule and a lot of others too.

I really loathe Liberal meddling and nannyism.

Charlemagne on April 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM

That way they’d control the production of food (they already control the water), the children, incl. no more home schooling, direct unionized labor to the farms…and thus control all.

May they spontaneously combust, all of them.

No, I don’t care how much that would affect the environment. May Gore combust with them.

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM

But Obama is not a socialist, oh no he isn’t…he’s a sozi-commie.

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2012 at 10:41 PM

And a farm is a great place to send a young son/daughter to work who has expressed an interest in being a vet. On the job training that lasts a lifetime. All gone with a stupid law that wasn’t well thought out (or was it?)

journeyintothewhirlwind on April 26, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Obama was afraid of losing the toothless white farmer hicks. Spread the word to the good people who feed the world.

Starve the charlatan, his circus and the clowns.

The moochers are the looters and vice-versa…and Ryan renounced Rand. The right is utterly insane.

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2012 at 10:43 PM

This effected Senate seats in fly over country. It wasn’t helpful.

By the numbers, the odds heavily favor the GOP; Democrats are defending 23 seats, including six open seats and one independent, to the Republicans’ 10.

This changed when Olympia Snowe declared she wasn’t going to run for reelection so now there are 11 Republican Senate seats.

Dr Evil on April 26, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Women’s Lib isn’t as much fun anymore now that women earn more than men. It’s time to move on. The next adventurous crusade for liberals is Children’s Liberation. Here’s the agenda I predict over the next 20 years:

1) Voting age lowered to 16 (the radicals would prefer 14)
2) Corporal and other types of “unusually cruel” punishment outlawed
3) Parents responsible for their children’s college education
4) Chores in the home regulated by guidelines (we can start this process on the farms)

Slogan: “Save children from their parents.”

Welcome to utopia.

Burke on April 26, 2012 at 10:44 PM

“To even propose such regulations defies common sense, and shows a real lack of understanding as to how the family farm works.”

Those idiots in Washington don’t have a clue as to what real work is. Matter of fact, show ‘em a pile of plastic milk cartons and they’ll probably coo “Oh look! A cow’s nest!”

GarandFan on April 26, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I don’t trust them. They will sneak these rules in under another disguise.

lonestar1 on April 26, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Dems are not going to just sweep this under the rug. It will be an issue in the fall in numerous states, including some critical Senate races.

They have shown their ass, and we are going to kick it

matthew8787 on April 26, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Yep… voters need eye openers like this. The majority could not see what was coming when they put this administration in place in ’08. A little preview of what is still yet to come may help those that have remained blind.

lynncgb on April 26, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Hilda Solis is an utter destructive socialist fool. Beware of idiotic socialist idealists.

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2012 at 10:46 PM

All praise the leader.

He has bless his subjects with this reprise of his edict. Until after the election and he will have more freedom to do what must be done. To make the Communist States of America by any means and taking over all farms is the first step. That is what Stalin did and it turned out so well for him they want to try it again. Lets hope only 20 million die of starvation this time over the 30 million that did.

Sure there might have been exemption in the first draft. But the next edict from above will have it all farms even urban back yards with a 2 foot square growing space have central federal control mandates. That is why they are progressives. Start a rule that has limits than remove over time the limits. When some see what they are doing, just forget about the massive overreach that would be common in the most communist country they did not mean it. Nothing to see here they promise not to try it when there is not an election and once in nothing can remove it.

tjexcite on April 26, 2012 at 10:48 PM

All gone with a stupid law that wasn’t well thought out (or was it?)

journeyintothewhirlwind on April 26, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Sure, it was well thought out. No one needs to be self-sufficient when there’s an endless supply of food stamps and welfare bennies.

The only small fact they overlooked is that at some point we run out of money.

Never mind. All is well in the Socialist USA. Party on!

Cody1991 on April 26, 2012 at 10:49 PM

They will just lie in wait and try to extend their reach again, even if Obama loses. Bureaucrats are forever.

States have been regulating teen employment forever and the feds want to do the same.

A sample of labor laws

PattyJ on April 26, 2012 at 10:51 PM

you should see them have at the amish over raw milk- and they went after them over child labor too- even at apprenticeships in woodworking places even though their work habits are integrated in their beliefs.

if you like your religion and core beliefs- you’ll be able to keep them under dear leader.

mittens on April 26, 2012 at 10:56 PM

If I were a farmer I’d defy this stupid rule and a lot of others too.

I really loathe Liberal meddling and nannyism.

Charlemagne on April 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Yes, but you could be crucified.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 26, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Re what little Bammie might do if he is reelected, I wonder if this might have something to do with his commitments to Putin and Medvedev: North American Shale Gas Gives Russia Serious Headache

So little Bammie’s war on fracking with the help of his fascist EPA means big money to Russia. No wonder there is talk of Russian illegal money in his campaign!

slickwillie2001 on April 26, 2012 at 11:04 PM

…Sebelius needs to be herded into a stall with the rest of the diary cows and hooked up to a milking machine. Put the teat cups, claw, vacuum and milk tubes on every possible body part including the mouth… and make sure the pulsator is in the red zone!

KOOLAID2 on April 26, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Yea now we can send the kids back out to the fields to work. /s
I can see the ads now that the Libs will use against the next R in the White House – “Kids are not field hands” tell Presdident Meany to back the House Bill.

LincolntheHun on April 26, 2012 at 10:08 PM

That’s okay. We’ll just respond with – “Dogs are not dinner.”

nukemhill on April 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM

This was heating up big time on our local talk radio station this afternoon.They have awakened a sleeping giant.Never underestimate the clout of the American Farmer.

jeffinsjvca on April 27, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Growing up, my dad employed half the neighborhood kids on his farm. Glad they stepped this one back… for now. But if he’s reelected, he will have “more flexibility” than he does now. *Shudder!*

UnderstandingisPower on April 27, 2012 at 12:18 AM

If this rule would have been implemented, I believe we would all witness just how hard the “pacifist” Amish can FIGHT, when they believe they have a just cause.

And this would certainly be a “just cause” in their mind.

BTW, I also believe it to be a “just cause” for open revolt.

listens2glenn on April 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Another thought… in the country, these are the types of jobs you get in the summer. The summer of my junior year in high school, I drove tractor for a local farmer all summer long. Made good money and had a great time for hours on end listening to the radio and turning at the end of the mile-long field! Paid for a year of my college too… OH! I’m starting to see the connection now.

UnderstandingisPower on April 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM

…Sebelius needs to be herded into a stall with the rest of the diary cows and hooked up to a milking machine. Put the teat cups, claw, vacuum and milk tubes on every possible body part including the mouth… and make sure the pulsator is in the red zone!

KOOLAID2 on April 26, 2012 at 11:23 PM

.
Ouch!

listens2glenn on April 27, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Alternate headline: “Obama administration decides against picking pointless, hugely politically perilous fight in election year.”

It’s so tempting to laugh and laugh and laugh about this apparently ridiculous effort by Obama — actually trying to wage a federal agency (or several) against children who work on farms (and I guess that’d include chores done on them, aside from “labor”)…

…but then I thought more about this issue and started thinking back (again) to the horrible, wretched old communist revolutions and the “change” they effected afterward, starting with relocating millions from private property after first regulating them to near incapacity (does this sound familiar — cause it should), and then forcing the “collectivism” policy using what used to be private property.

All of this was Stalin’s method not to mention other communist dictators. And now look what Obama’s trying…

We can all laugh at what appears to be a ridiculous effort by Obama and his Dept. of Labor to forbid children from working on farms other than their parents’ BUT it’s really not as obtuse an effort that it first appears to be. It’s part of Obama’s and the Left’s ongoing efforts to complete a communist “change” from our Republic into a communist, collectivist congregation, so to speak.

And there’s little doubt that Obama will try this again IF he gets a second term at which time he won’t need to pay any attention to any American who complains about it, as has happened at this first attempt of his.

Lourdes on April 27, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Reference/Related:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

“Stalin also imposed the Soviet system of land management known as collectivization. This resulted in the seizure of all privately owned farmlands and livestock, in a country where 80 percent of the people were traditional village farmers. Among those farmers, were a class of people called Kulaks by the Communists. They were formerly wealthy farmers that had owned 24 or more acres, or had employed farm workers. Stalin believed any future insurrection would be led by the Kulaks, thus he proclaimed a policy aimed at “liquidating the Kulaks as a class.”

Declared “enemies of the people,” the Kulaks were left homeless and without a single possession as everything was taken from them, even their pots and pans. It was also forbidden by law for anyone to aid dispossessed Kulak families. Some researchers estimate that ten million persons were thrown out of their homes, put on railroad box cars and deported to “special settlements” in the wilderness of Siberia during this era, with up to a third of them perishing amid the frigid living conditions. Men and older boys, along with childless women and unmarried girls, also became slave-workers in Soviet-run mines and big industrial projects…””

Lourdes on April 27, 2012 at 12:29 AM

… Glad they stepped this one back… for now. But if he’s reelected, he will have “more flexibility” than he does now. *Shudder!*

UnderstandingisPower on April 27, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Exactly.

Lourdes on April 27, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Farm kids have calloused hands from hard work and a hard-wired work ethic. Unlike the manicured hands of a coummunity organizer.

BHO Jonestown on April 26, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Interesting…for a very tall man, Obama DOES have weirdly small, dainty hands. Another aspect about him that I find utterly creepy. He’s just utterly creepy. Everything about him: creepy.

Lourdes on April 27, 2012 at 12:33 AM

A government and an administration totally out of control and completely disconnected from average American citizens who are not on the government dole.

Obama better be praying that all the parasitic liberal takers come out to rock the vote or he is a one-termer, simple as that. Better hit more of them late shows.

Fool.

AttaBoyLuther on April 27, 2012 at 12:44 AM

BS. Once re-elected Obama will come for the farms just like he did with wetlands and fisheries. power plants and mines, oil wells and natural gas. The churches and and the internet. Today they announced the taxation of small businesses to pay for student loans. After the interest increase originally given was already calculated to be credited to Obamacare. . That only makes sense to an idiot. We are in the hands of a crazed dolt.

pat on April 27, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Senator Jerry Moran has been all over this. I applaud him for his efforts.

One question…this says farm owners would be exempted. What if you rent all of your land? Are you a farm owner? What if your kid helps out his uncle? What if you own a feed lot or stockyard? Can your kid work for you there? (Ok, it started out as one question)

And finally…how the f does the federal government have any fing say over any of this?

cptacek on April 27, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Matter of fact, show ‘em a pile of plastic milk cartons and they’ll probably coo “Oh look! A cow’s nest!”

GarandFan on April 26, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I am so stealing that.

DrMagnolias on April 27, 2012 at 6:04 AM

What were they thinking? In my grandmother’s day, knowing how to grow food, milk cows and pick eggs were survival skills. I was a city girl who spent many summers on my uncle’s farm. I worked alongside my cousins doing chores and at night we made our own icecream, rode the horses and tractors. The things I learned were invaluable.

lea on April 27, 2012 at 6:21 AM

First they will try it in the Dept. of Labor…

Then, at this rate, they will make it a prerequisite to getting farm subsidies through the Dept. of Agriculture.

Really, with Cass Sunstein around, you know this will be the next attempt to regulate farmer’s families, not their work product.

When you have so many departments and agencies with so many overlapping jurisdictions, it goes to point out the wisdom of giving the federal government NO POWER in these areas.

Both Departments have to go along with much else.

We the People do not grant this power to the federal government.

Get this government out of our lives by removing large portions of it that NO ONE WILL MISS because government only knows power to rule and has forgotten how to merely govern.

ajacksonian on April 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM

Don’t be surprised if this — and worse — comes back around if Obama wins re-election. After all, he told the Russians he’d have “more flexibility.”

Take away lesson: Constant vigilance is the only defense against tyranny.

englishqueen01 on April 27, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Do we ever reach the point where we have enough regulations? Do we actually pay these people to sit around a table and brainstorm new regulations every day?

ctmom on April 27, 2012 at 7:12 AM

“Tell Vlad I’ll have more flexibility in my second term”

petefrt on April 27, 2012 at 7:42 AM

Do we ever reach the point where we have enough regulations? Do we actually pay these people to sit around a table and brainstorm new regulations every day?

ctmom on April 27, 2012 at 7:12 AM

You’ve got to remember where this proposed change in regulation was coming from. Some pinko commie type in the DoL got it in their head that you could get a lot more unionized workers on the family farms if you just had some method of getting children out of the picture.

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2012 at 7:43 AM

Ever since the labor department was created, its charter concerned “non-farm” labor. All its employment statistics are labeled non-farm labor. In obama’s ever expanding and overreaching quest for power, the marxist city slickers in the labor department tried to include farm labor. What a bunch of marxist putzes. They did the same thing in the old soviet union, china, and cambodia. They ended up starving to death millions of people. Actually, in spite of freedom of speech, the past results of this marxist dream have been so catastrophic, it should be a capital crime to even suggest this.

Old Country Boy on April 27, 2012 at 7:55 AM

The EU has a big drive under way to destroy the individual-owned small farms. The U.N. has a big hand in the Labor/Farms U.S. initiative too.

This is ‘dead’ just for now.

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Agenda 21 and all that. Remember, high gas prices and stupid rules like this one are designed to get rid of family farms and the small communities that grew up around them. (Some of the residents are the famous “bitter-clingers” Obama was so dismissive of a few years back.) With no more or less self-sufficient areas in the country, people would be forced into the 15 or so urban centers that the UN has planned for us in the name of bio-diversity. Who’s the largest landowner in the US? The US government. Ted Turner and some other big shot are the next two largest landowners. I suppose Ted will deed his over to the government with the understanding that it remain untouched, unmined, unfracked, unfarmed, ungrazed, for eternity. (Of course, there will be some mighty fine dude-ranches and resort dachas for the elite.)

Qzsusy on April 27, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Continuation of above. Note to obama == Don’t screw with the farms!

Old Country Boy on April 27, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Obama was trying to increase youth unemployment in rural areas to levels that exist in the inner cities where liberal and progressive Democrats control everything.

I think Obama was simply being vindictive because many rural areas don’t vote dim. Here, in Ohio, we have 88 counties. Except for the six counties that encompass Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Toledo, Akron, and Cleveland, and another two or three with heavy union ties, the remaining 80 or so are small-town and rural communities that seem to run about 65%-35% GOP. Democrats loathe these people.

BuckeyeSam on April 27, 2012 at 8:11 AM

Massive anti-farmer protests?

“Those kids should be in college not cultivating cauliflower!!”

“Mad Cows Kill Kids!!!”

“Conservatives Keep Kids Down…on the farm!!!”

“Forcing Kids to do the Dirty Work!”

“Milking Kids for an extra Buck!”

No.

I don’t see it.

Lots of farms around here, most are family owned, sometimes a bunch of siblings or cousins and most often a few generations “own” the farms…and most live from growing season to growing season hoping they can get a decent loan for a projected decent crop and that the weather or the EPA doesn’t get in the way before those notes come due. And on single lane back country roads, yes, 14 year olds drive tractors and trucks to the fields, and to the local elevator, maybe in town to the Co-op…and they even raise livestock, breed it, on their own…imagine the trauma they have to deal with the rest of their lives….keeerist.

As one farmer friend said yesterday, he wonders if anyone in the Labor Department ever set foot on a working farm, ever.

Another said Labor should stick to labor; Agriculture should stick to agriculture and the EPA should just go to hell.

coldwarrior on April 27, 2012 at 8:14 AM

This isn’t going to go away.
They’ll regulate safety practices etc. You watch.

My husband was helping his dad farm & ranch officially when he was in the 5th grade. He was driving grain trucks to the elevator. He sat on a 5 gallon bucket bcs the seat was broke.
He put in 12-14 hr days regulalry in the summers. Not bcs he was forced to.
He loved helping his dad. His dad never made him do anything.
My husband is now the best mechanic & rancher around.
My husband started getting his own cows, getting a loan from the bank to do so, when he was about 16yo.
This kind of stuff would stop if the govt had their way.

I can’t tell you how many farm & ranch kids, & TOWN kids, work for others around here in SW ND & NW SD where I live.
I’ve often hired young HS boys to come work wrestling calves at our brandings.
I’ve hired HS kids to come & rope at our brandings.
According to the govt, this couldn’t happen.
I know 10yo boys who are better hands than some grown men.
I bought a horse from a 12yo boy who was homeschooled & worked with his dad at the sale barn riding in the back pens.
All of this would not happen if the Feds have their way.
We here in rural America have been watching this crap coming for a long time.
It will not stop here.
Kids need to WORK. I know there are parents who abuse this.
You cannot stop that.
That’s where COMMUNITY comes in. Not govt regs.
My 14yo kid can’t even go work at the local cafe as a waitress bcs of the govt regs. And she is very mature.
These labor laws don’t do much but stop young people from being able to work & make their own $$ & gain experience & responsibility.
The farm & ranch is the last bastion of the young person who wants to do work & make $$ & gain experience.

Badger40 on April 27, 2012 at 8:15 AM

We didn’t blog this yesterday

Please explain why it wasn’t important yesterday. Stories about who likes dogs more taking up everyones time? Thinking that this was a backburner is what they do at ABC,NBC etc. This would have distroyed the small farm. Harvard will not teach you hard work has a reward.

RickinNH on April 27, 2012 at 8:21 AM

BTW-you unionize farm/ranch labor, you will have no farms or ranches that are in privately held hands.
It will all be Big AgriBiz.
Now I’m not really against BigAgriBiz. But I’m not really for it.
When an operation, at least with animals, gets so big, you start losing some perspective about the welfare & safety of the animals in general.
One of our neighbors is in this big family co-op with his dad & brother & they have been snatching up all available land etc around here.
They’ve got so many cows now (they farm, too) that the death rate in the feed lot is higher than I think it should be.
But the neighbor just shrugs & says there’s more animals to replace it.
That’s the kind of $hit that will happen.
It already IS.
There’s a lot of farm labor that goes undone or by way to few people bcs no one wants to work anymore.
HS kids fill this need.
You get rid of their ability to work in these places & you will see even more illegals. Bcs WTH else is going to do this work?
Not the welfare/disability cheat.

Badger40 on April 27, 2012 at 8:38 AM

I remember they tried this early last year and then backed off after people protested. Then Obama came out and mocked some people over it saying something like “Don’t believe everything you hear on the internet” or something.

If he gets a second term, there will be nothing stopping them from, as the EPA likes to brag about.. crucifying every one of us! Look at what they have done to America, and tried to do to America in the first term. I don’t think some of us understand what they are going to do once given another 4 years.

JellyToast on April 27, 2012 at 8:39 AM

I don’t trust them. They will sneak these rules in under another disguise.

lonestar1 on April 26, 2012 at 10:45 PM

They’ll make you abide by labor inspections if you get farm payments, disaster assistance, have Federally back farm/ranch loans etc.
We took hay disaster assistance once.
There’s a little known clause that bcs you took it, it allows the Feds to come INSPECT your property any time they wish.
Now we will die before we take another federal dollar.
Except we’re effed anyway bcs some of our ranch loans are federally backed.
The Fed is so involved in all the financing you cannot possibly operate a farm or ranch anymore without being connected to them.

Badger40 on April 27, 2012 at 8:40 AM

Badger40 on April 27, 2012 at 8:40 AM

But wouldn’t all you small farmers be much better off if you were all part of a collective and the state would provide you housing, and machinery, and cultural events, and guidance and political direction so you could concentrate on production and not have to worry about all these distractions, like loans or other stuff????

Huh?/

C’mon. Ya know ya want to be collectivized. It’s for the children, you know.

Worked so well in, what was that place, the Ukraine back in the day, or in that USSR place, I think China, too.

They said at the time they were building a paradise for all workers and peasants farmers…whatcha got against that, huh???

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coldwarrior on April 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM

This started out as a payoff to help unionize farm workers disguised as protecting the children. Everything with the likable liar is political and what can help get him reelected. If they claim it wouldn’t have affected kids on their parents farms, they meant at first, then it would have been extended to include the parents. It’s for the children, remember.

Kissmygrits on April 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM

If Obama is re-elected he will just do it after he is elected. He would no longer have to worry about election politics.

albill on April 27, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I learned to plow on my family’s farm at the age of 7. Yes, on a tractor, by myself, all day long when I was 7 years old. The summer I turned 13, I started plowing for a neighbor working 13-14 hour days. He paid me $2.00 per hour and I thought I was getting rich!

txsurveyor on April 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM

I worked in custom harvesting. Except for the owner and his wife who cooked, all of us driving trucks and combines were under 18 years of age and left home after H.S.

A farm kid is safer than any kid in the ‘hood. Travyon is an example of living dangerously.

Family farms and corporate farms are highly efficient sectors in our economy. It is mind boggling how much affordable food we can export.

seven on April 27, 2012 at 10:03 AM

“To be clear, this regulation will not be pursued for the duration of the Obama administration.”

Translation; January 20th 2013…

Tbone McGraw on April 27, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Democrat Plantation Act 2012

viking01 on April 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

You could count the number of child farm machinery accidents on the fingers of one hand – assuming there were fingers on that hand

plewis on April 27, 2012 at 10:28 AM

This “rule” will come back if he gets re-elected. This is one more example of Zero making laws all by himself, against the will of the governed.

Who benefits from this rule? It sure as hell isn’t farmers.

dogsoldier on April 27, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Coming soon from the Labor Department, presumably: Exciting new regulations on mom and apple pie.

How about regulating the preparation of meals in the home?

“Individuals preparing food in private or commercial settings must obtain certification through the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Health and Human Services and the Environmental Protection Agency. This Certification will ensure individuals are trained in proper nutrition, sanitation, and waste disposal in accordance with federal regulations. Certification will be obtained through a minimum of 200 hours of classroom and laboratory instruction under the supervision of the various Departments. Individual certification must be obtained at 3 year intervals.”

BobMbx on April 27, 2012 at 10:35 AM

BobMbx on April 27, 2012 at 10:35 AM

All part of the “Plan”…all part of the Plan.

Once these requirements are levied…then the fair pay provisions kick in.

Thus, if one wishes to get married, then the senior spouse must provide adequate hourly income to the subordinate spouse (i.e., one’s spouse will become either an employee or an employer) and thus, from day one be on the hook for a few thousand a month…plus benefits and such…or one can be hauled into Court for unfair employment practices.

So, in order to get married one needs to be approved by the SBA to make sure one has a business plan that will provide adequate income and coverages for the employed spouse…and then there is this thing about the kids….

Thus, making marriage too difficult for most but the richest of the rich to take part in…the institution of marriage becomes by its once familiar nature obsolete…

That’s when gender roles are shattered once and for all, and we all become a unisex uniform populace subordinate to the state and dependent on the state for our every need…

Hell of a plan. Truly a hell of a plan.

coldwarrior on April 27, 2012 at 10:51 AM

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