Uh oh: Secret Service peccadilloes more the rule than the exception?

posted at 7:21 pm on April 25, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

At least that’s what the Secret Service agents under scrutiny for the Colombian hooker scandal are claiming, according to the Washington Post.  Three more agents have been discharged, bringing the total to nine, but some may end up fighting to get their jobs back.  First, Politico reports on the latest terminations:

Three more Secret Service employees were forced out of their jobs Tuesday, bringing the total number of agency employees to lose their jobs in the Colombia prostitution scandal to nine.

Two of the employees are resigning, while a third is having his security clearance revoked and will leave the agency, Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the chairman of the House homeland security committee, told POLITICO. Two more agency employees have been cleared of any wrongdoing. Paul Morrissey [no relation — Ed], the Secret Service’s assistant director, confirmed the personnel changes in a statement.

With the latest departures, all 12 Secret Service employees suspected of misconduct in Cartagena ahead of the president’s trip there for the Summit of the Americas have been dealt with by the agency. Six resigned or were fired last week, while another employee was cleared.

“At this point, all twelve have either been cleared of serious misconduct, resigned, retired, been notified of personnel actions to permanently revoke their security clearances, or have been proposed for permanent removal for cause,” Morrissey said. “The Secret Service is committed to conducting a full, thorough and fair investigation in this matter, and will not hesitate to take appropriate action should any additional information come to light.”

The additional information might come from the employees themselves, and might result in the need for a much wider investigation into Secret Service activities:

Some Secret Service employees accused of misconduct in the Colombian prostitution scandal are privately contending that their conduct didn’t warrant dismissal because senior managers tolerated similar behavior during official trips, according to people familiar with the employees’ thinking.

Several of the men who agreed to resign under pressure last week are also considering reversing their decisions and fighting to keep their jobs, according to the people knowledgeable about the case. …

Those close to the accused employees said that in an effort to fight for their jobs they could opt to divulge details of how colleagues spent some of their downtime on presidential trips — drinking heavily, visiting strip clubs and cavorting with women for hire.

“Of course it has happened before” said one agent not implicated in the matter, remarking on the Secret Service’s history of occasionally licentious partying. “This is not the first time. It really only blew up in this case because the [U.S. Embassy] was alerted.”.

The first hints that this might be true come from the scorecard of the people involved.  The debauchery in Cartagena didn’t just involve a couple of low-level rookies; more than one supervisor took part, one of whom offered indiscreet commentary about Sarah Palin on his Facebook page.  The scope of the revelry and the inclusion of members of the military makes this look even more routine than aberrant.

And perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised.  My good friend Paul Mirengoff has returned to Power Line this month after a lengthy hiatus, and he reminded us last night that people in high-stress jobs are often risk-takers who need to party as hard as they work:

I don’t wish to put up any strong defense of the Secret Service employees in question, or to argue that they should not be sacked. But I don’t believe we should be very surprised by the misconduct of agents who put their life on the line to protect the president and his family against danger from sources that may not reveal themselves until the last second. There may be a more stressful job, but I can’t think of one.

Given the stress inherent in this work, it is normal that more than a few agents blow off steam by drinking, carousing, and in some cases whoring. This doesn’t mean that those who engage in the latter activity shouldn’t be fired; a job like this should be reserved for those who can transcend “normal.” But one might still have sympathy for the agents who failed to do so.

I agree — to a point.  One could understand how an individual agent or two might exercise poor judgment and get caught up in the atmosphere of an exotic locale.  However, they aren’t supposed to be on vacation; they were there to identify potential threats and focus on providing a secure environment for the President of the United States.  Even more to the point, the involvement of supervisors shows that this was likely not an aberration, but simply one instance where it got so out of hand that they were caught in the act.

Congress needs to keep looking into the Secret Service to ensure that the culture of the agency provides focus to the job at hand.


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Who “need to party hard as they work”?? What, are we excusing them for this, now?

Warner Todd Huston on April 25, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Symptomatic of a government run amok.

John the Libertarian on April 25, 2012 at 7:25 PM

ya know, these guys are prepared to take a bullet for whoever they’re guarding.

the night before they have to do this they perhaps wanna live it u cuz it might be their last?

reliapundit on April 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM

I would think that “partying hard” would be acceptable after the POTUS had left the country. However, it wouldn’t be acceptable to do it before he arrives and the area is still being secured.

Queasy on April 25, 2012 at 7:29 PM

I know a lot of people have expressed their support of the SS Director, but he should be out on his butt already. I don’t care how nice of a guy he is, or how much of a leader he’s perceived to be, he has failed this organization and put the president and our nation at risk. If it’s deemed that his mid-level management were the more direct culprits, they should all be out too.

There’s no excuse for this kind of behavior. A Marine is being discharged for comments he made on Facebook; the entire SS department should be bleached. Absolutely no one connected to this incident should remain.

BKeyser on April 25, 2012 at 7:30 PM

The debauchery in Cartagena didn’t just involve a couple of low-level rookies; more than one supervisor took part, one of whom offered indiscreet commentary about Sarah Palin on his Facebook page. The scope of the revelry and the inclusion of members of the military makes this look even more routine than aberrant.

Yeah, too many people involved for this to be a first time event. I don’t might a post event party (up to a point) but be professionals ahead of time.

rbj on April 25, 2012 at 7:31 PM

What? When you work you work, vacation some other time…such as when you take a vacation.

If the job is too much for you then quit so someone doesn’t get killed because the SS dudes were busy stuffing bills down a dancer’s g-string.

Bishop on April 25, 2012 at 7:32 PM

They reported on FNC that some of the guys didn’t do it with the hookers – because they were too drunk an passed out, with a hooker in their room, and their weapons, and the president’s schedule.

forest on April 25, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I think it’s pretty effin’ dumb that this “scandal” gets about 100 times more coverage than Fast and Furious.

DHChron on April 25, 2012 at 7:34 PM

So lets change the name from US Secret Service to US The Penis Patrol. They deserve to be laughed at and they have destroyed their so called esteem. When the mighty think so highly of themselves the slope into the sewer can be very steep.

stormridercx4 on April 25, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Barney Frank for SS Director!

He has experience not being implicated in prostitution scandals.

It was his boyfriend and his apartment, but he still knew nothing about any of it. :)

Brian1972 on April 25, 2012 at 7:34 PM

So how about this :O

Agents not involved in the Colombia trip, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss matters publicly, said the events in Cartagena may be embarrassing, but they are not without precedent. They pointed to a 2009 visit to Buenos Aires by former President Bill Clinton, whose protective detail included agents and uniformed officers. During that trip, the agents said, members of the detail went out for a late night of partying at strip clubs.

burrata on April 25, 2012 at 7:34 PM

At some point won’t the mass axing at SS imperil the president due to too few SS left? How many are there and how long does their training take?

AnotherOpinion on April 25, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Related thoughts:

Eleven Secret Service agents with neanderthal attitudes towards women is a lot more than “a couple of knuckleheads”, Mr. President.

How does anyone else in the Secret Service turn a blind eye to colleagues who routinely bring sex workers back to their rooms?

Strip clubs in third world countries ARE scary places. No one working in one “is just doing it to pay their way thru college”.

Machismo … testosterone … misogyny … even SCARIER things going on in the minds of agents “looking for a good time”.

All in all, there are some PRETTY CREEPY people responsible for the safety of the President, his wife and their daughters

PolAgnostic on April 25, 2012 at 7:37 PM

The Secret Service, the CSA, the Energy Department, the Department of Homeland Security, ‘Fast and Furious’, passing laws with out reading them and exempting themselves, etc., etc.,…

+$16 Trillion dollars in debt.

I sure hope Mitt meant what he said in that speech last night…

Seven Percent Solution on April 25, 2012 at 7:39 PM

If they were off duty and engaging in legal activity, why should they lose their job? If there is something in their contract with the government or in their operational manual that prohibits this type of activity (drinking, whoring, etc.), that would be one thing. But just because this activity goes against the “image” of the Secret Service doesn’t justify termination.

Of course, when I discuss this matter with my significant other, my stance is a little different: “your right honey, that’s awful what they did even if it was legal; they should all be fired and shot at dawn.”

RedSoxNation on April 25, 2012 at 7:39 PM

I think it’s pretty effin’ dumb that this “scandal” gets about 100 times more coverage than Fast and Furious.

DHChron on April 25, 2012 at 7:34 PM

The Fifth Column Treasonous Media is trying to protect Obama, not get him impeached.

SWalker on April 25, 2012 at 7:40 PM

There’s another thing that keeps coming out- Yes, there are SS Agents that are asked to put their lives on the line. But only a couple times in the last half century have any of them had to actually do it. And, if they prepare properly, they minimize their own risk. They’re not combat arms in a war zone, after all.

It’s also likely that the advanced party doesn’t go anywhere near the president. So partying hard while they’re supposed to be setting up for the president’s arrival is utterly inexcusable. If one of my Marines on the advanced party for my M198 didn’t prep the site properly because he was too busy cavorting with the local women or partaking of some other improper vice, he’d be digging a hole big enough to bury a 5-ton. Then after he filled it in, he’d dig another one.

The actions of these guys potentially put lives at risk. They should be immediately terminated without benefits.

BKeyser on April 25, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Our troops on the front line of combat have a more stress filled job and a higher standard of conduct.

Pecos on April 25, 2012 at 7:40 PM

When you boil all this down to the basics, if I were the agent who argued with or refused to pay an escort/prostitute the price we agreed to or she demanded after staying with me all night, thus causing this imbroglio, I think I might be watching my back or hoping for a witness protection program somewhere, say, on Mars.

Besides the Secret Service, there have been Navy SEALs implicated in this event, fairly or unfairly. And, sometimes, there’s just no where to hide.

TXUS on April 25, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Oh my :

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Tuesday three Marines on a U.S. Embassy security team and one embassy staff member were punished for allegedly pushing a prostitute out of a car in Brasilia late last year after a dispute over payment.

The incident is similar, but unrelated, to the scandal involving Secret Service agents at the Summit of Americas in Cartagena, Colombia, before President Barack Obama arrived for a visit.

Panetta, speaking to reporters in Brasilia, says the Marines were pulled out of the country. Two had their ranks reduced. The embassy staffer was removed from his post…………….
…………
According to another defense official, the embassy staff member was a supervisor. The second official said the woman broke her collarbone when she was pushed from the car in late December.

The official says the embassy tracked the woman down and paid for her medical expenses. But in the wake of the Cartagena scandal, she has hired an attorney and is suing the embassy. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

Panetta is touring South America to meet with his counterparts in the region.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jHLbDpYajXSGh4vVQrGWK8TL0jQw?docId=550247782173467ca1bc17c9fe6df292
Via Drudge

burrata on April 25, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I was really checking her out, if you know what i mean?”

So, when did they start hiring 16 year olds for the secret service?

Alabama Infidel on April 25, 2012 at 7:41 PM

One improving job sector (other than guns and ammo): divorce lawyers. Bet there are a lot of divorces coming.

Dingbat63 on April 25, 2012 at 7:44 PM

lol. poor sarah…

Sachiko on April 25, 2012 at 7:45 PM

If you are part of the advance team prepping for the President’s arrival, doesn’t that mean that you are working? The Seal teams are some pretty hard working boys too, but I doubt they visit the local Single Pole Ballet when they are on an op.

ghostwalker1 on April 25, 2012 at 7:45 PM

wheeee!!! government downsizing!! — by baby steps

CaveatEmpty on April 25, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I think it’s pretty effin’ dumb that this “scandal” gets about 100 times more coverage than Fast and Furious.

DHChron on April 25, 2012 at 7:34 PM

…what he said!….

The Fifth Column Treasonous Media is trying to protect Obama, not get him impeached.

SWalker on April 25, 2012 at 7:40 PM

and here!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

KOOLAID2 on April 25, 2012 at 7:46 PM

A phrase written some 2 thousand years ago comes to mind.
“All things are lawful but not all things are expedient.”
They adopted the first half but ignored the second to their ruin.

chemman on April 25, 2012 at 7:48 PM

All because some cheapskate dickered over a bill.

I’ll bet his fellow agents are really happy with his fiscal frugality.

profitsbeard on April 25, 2012 at 7:49 PM

no doubt this mostly started under Bush’s guidance…the coolWon has to clean up everything after that damn cowboy

r keller on April 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Quit making excuses for these idiots!

They were on the job. They put our country, the president and
whomever he had with him at risk. They should ALL be fired. In
particular, their supervisors. It was their job to see that
rules and regulations were followed.

Amjean on April 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I think it’s pretty effin’ dumb that this “scandal” gets about 100 times more coverage than Fast and Furious.

DHChron on April 25, 2012 at 7:34 PM

T meet A.

profitsbeard on April 25, 2012 at 7:51 PM

When you boil all this down to the basics, if I were the agent who argued with or refused to pay an escort/prostitute the price we agreed to or she demanded after staying with me all night, thus causing this imbroglio, …

TXUS on April 25, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Hold it please,
prostitutes collect 100% of their fee upfront , right ?

burrata on April 25, 2012 at 7:51 PM

..all the palaver aside, whoever scored that pic of the SS guy leering at Sarah hauled in a winnah!

The War Planner on April 25, 2012 at 7:52 PM

I can’t help but wonder if the SS is taking the brunt/heat of this, to take pressure off Admin officials involved? That “transparent” investigation by Obama’s lawyer took less time than what some of the SS Agents spent with their prostitutes.

BruthaMan on April 25, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Where are you Gloria Alread?

ultracon on April 25, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I’m taking a stand against Colombian whore prejudice. Colombian whores are some of the hardest working whores in whordom, and they deserve our admiration, respect and b0ners

DHChron on April 25, 2012 at 7:53 PM

burrata on April 25, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I saw that too. Unbelievable. This is what happens when the leader of the country is a lazy, dangerous fool.

txhsmom on April 25, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I feel better now that my home is worth 1/2 the cost.
I feel better now that my salary is what it was 10 years ago.
I feel better now that my groceries are 53% higher than what they were 5 years ago.

I feel better knowing that my current salary is 50% of what it used to be.

I have a feeling. Let’s all feel good, and re-elect the black guy. ANY Black guy. Anyone But Obama.

Please, I can’t take it anymore.

Seriously.

Key West Reader on April 25, 2012 at 7:56 PM

ensure that the culture of the agency provides focus to the job at hand

versus a hand job…

ChuckTX on April 25, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I think I misspelled Gloria’s name…….

ultracon on April 25, 2012 at 7:57 PM

ya know, these guys are prepared to take a bullet for whoever they’re guarding.

the night before they have to do this they perhaps wanna live it u cuz it might be their last?

reliapundit on April 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Yes. Men who have to kill and be killed, sure, they’re going to party hard.

Paul-Cincy on April 25, 2012 at 7:58 PM

What? When you work you work, vacation some other time…such as when you take a vacation.

Bishop on April 25, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Seems pretty simple to me.

Even more to the point, the involvement of supervisors shows that this was likely not an aberration, but simply one instance where it got so out of hand that they were caught in the act.

Tailhook 1991.

Military critics claimed that the scandal highlighted a hostile attitude in US military culture towards women in the areas of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and equal treatment of women in career advancement and opportunity.

Whose War on Women were we talking about?

AesopFan on April 25, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Odd the SS doesn’t check out Michelle. IYKWIM. /

BHO Jonestown on April 25, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Culture of Whoreuption.

Bishop on April 25, 2012 at 8:00 PM

ya know, these guys are prepared to take a bullet for whoever they’re guarding.

the night before they have to do this they perhaps wanna live it u cuz it might be their last?

reliapundit on April 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM

They might not be on their game if they’re hungover and have the pukes.

Bishop on April 25, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I work with this organization on a regular basis and know some of the people who were in Columbia at the time. The press needs to leave this organization alone. They are a joy to work with. Professional, courteous, and thorough. Exposing this agency to the light of day is a huge mistake. There is no cultural problem. We are young, we are vibrant, we drink. We carouse. Get over it. If you want angels, hire priests, these agents did nothing illegal and did not compromise the protectee. There, I’ve said my piece. I’m done.

Dr. Manhattan on April 25, 2012 at 8:02 PM

whoreiffic conduct

DHChron on April 25, 2012 at 8:03 PM

The day after Mother’s Day, the media will begin to turn on Obama.

Key West Reader on April 25, 2012 at 8:03 PM

… not to mention palace-guarding the Obungler the Vacationer must often feel like being Joe Goebbel’s chauffeur.

viking01 on April 25, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Any suggestion that somehow this behavior comes from the President’s administration shows a ignorance as to how the organization is run. I am no fan of this presidency however this has nothing to do with him. Sorry, that’s just how it is.

Dr. Manhattan on April 25, 2012 at 8:05 PM

This whole administration is partying like there’s no tomorrow. Would love to see their internal polling.

Rovin on April 25, 2012 at 8:07 PM

I am no fan of this presidency however this has nothing to do with him. Sorry, that’s just how it is.

Dr. Manhattan on April 25, 2012 at 8:05 PM

does this even matter? Wouldn’t the media have been all over a Republican president for this bs?

DHChron on April 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

The only reason prostitution was outlawed in most states was because during WWII, too many GIs were getting VD from nearby brothels. That was before antibiotics and cheap testing was available.

Also, it was a bone thrown to the mob by corrupt politicians. By outlawing prostitution it basically forced the entire service industry into the hands of organized crime and the illegality acts as a barrier of competition for non-criminal providers.

crosspatch on April 25, 2012 at 8:12 PM

DHChron on April 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Nice healing taking place. Thanks for the update. ; ) I’m not actually here.

Bmore on April 25, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I’m not going to cut them a break. All I have to do is recall the date of April 14th 1865 when an agent left his post to catch a peek at the play “My American Cousin”.

kurtzz3 on April 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM

yeah, she’s doing real well Bmore. I just gotta watch out for hungry Kenyans

DHChron on April 25, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Any suggestion that somehow this behavior comes from the President’s administration shows a ignorance as to how the organization is run. I am no fan of this presidency however this has nothing to do with him. Sorry, that’s just how it is.

Dr. Manhattan on April 25, 2012 at 8:05 PM

He is the Chief Executive. IOW the Buck Stops Here. If GWB had been anywhere around during this we all know who the press would be blaming ad infinitum for the detail chasing tail etc.

viking01 on April 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Well, he succeeded at cutting out the “middle-man” …

US Bank, JP Morgan to stop offering student loans

But he lied about the millions and billions they made on student loans.

“The private student-loan market is continuing to decline, so we decided to focus on Chase customers,” he told American Banker.

But Jarvis said loaning money to students has never really been an easy way for banks to make money when students may not complete their degrees or repay the loan.

“The loans tend to be really risky,” Jarvis said.

Braveheart on April 25, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Ed Morrissey After Dark!

Shades of CQ. Can we make this a semi-regular feature of Hot Gas?

Del Dolemonte on April 25, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Meh. Waiting for the report on the investigation of the contingent that escorted Mahlia to Mexico on spring break. Bound to include drugs and kinky carousing. Or that of those escorting Mochelle on her jet setting vacays.

AH_C on April 25, 2012 at 8:23 PM

no doubt this mostly started under Bush’sClinton’s guidance…the coolWon has to clean up everything after that damn cowboy

r keller on April 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM

FIFY. I’ll bet it was a nonstop party when Heir Slickmeister was in office, given his penchant for um, the ladies. Chips, dips, chains and whips.

chewmeister on April 25, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Dr Manhattan, thou protests too much. A little to close to the bone, step back and see it from the outside. I too worked closely with this agency for many years and I know what your trying to say but look at this subjectively and honestly. Those agents & officers screwed up big time and should lose their jobs and taxpayer funded benefits as well. IMHO

D-fusit on April 25, 2012 at 8:33 PM

First rule of Secret Service is knowbody talks about Secret Service.

2Tru2Tru on April 25, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Hold it please,
prostitutes collect 100% of their fee upfront , right ?

burrata on April 25, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Usually, from what I’m told, that’s the case, but mileage may vary when the girl also gets tipsy and has been assured that her john is a VIP, as in SS agent for the President of the USA.

TXUS on April 25, 2012 at 8:37 PM

There was an article at American Thinker about this, yesterday perhaps, and it built upon this as well as possible lower standards to increase diversity, combined with cronyism or position payoff to the field office agent in charge of Miami. There were a couple of examples of past situations and how they were handled. Good read.

John Kettlewell on April 25, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I’ll bet those in Secret Service during the Ronaldus Magnus years felt and showed every bit of respect for their job as the Commander in Chief showed for his.

I agree that the standard was lowered by Clintoon example with likely a considerable improvement with GWB then back to Clintoonian ways upon Obungler’s arrival.

viking01 on April 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Let’s just go back to “Boys Will Be Boys”. You can’t…you know, like expect *men* to conduct themselves with dignity or even responsibility, because they’re being governed by their pen!ses. So if a male pilot gets in the plane essentially drunk, well, boys will be boys and you never know when you’ll have catastrophic engine failure so live it up at the Holiday Inn and the passengers, who cares. And if these Secret Service guys are mashing with hookers– good on them!

It’s a shame men have to live with these low expectations but perhaps well earned.

vityas on April 25, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Odd the SS doesn’t check out Michelle. IYKWIM. /

BHO Jonestown on April 25, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Oh I’m sure she tries her best to be noticed by those dudes

burrata on April 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM

This behavior is absolutely predictable. Years and years and years of government selections based on favoritism, race, ethnicity, quid pro quo, gender, cronyism, crooked kickbacks, etc,in lieu of aptitude, skill and performance. The result is Secret Service immorality, Cornhusker kickbacks, Louisiana purchases, GSA taxpayer rape, TSA indignities, ICE criminality, Attorney General quasi-treason, union coercion and bullying, EPA abridgement of individual liberties and an unfunded liabilities debt in excess of 114 TRILLION! The end product of this increasing corruption is increasing incompetence and eventual anarchy as surely as 2+2+4.

MaiDee on April 25, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Behavior in ANY group is influenced by cultural, political and social influences, both external and internal.
The Secret Service are people just like you and me who put their big boy/girl pants on every morning and report for duty to this administration.
Imagine the atmosphere in which these people have to operate. In this admistration, respect for the individual’s position and the office of the superior are suspect from top to bottom.

egmont on April 25, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Imagine the atmosphere in which these people have to operate. In this admistration, respect for the individual’s position and the office of the superior are suspect from top to bottom.

egmont on April 25, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Imagine…being that close to Pelosi. I think they show incredible restraint for not tossing her out of the plane over the Atlantic.

“Huh? I thought she was on the other plane…”

BobMbx on April 25, 2012 at 9:38 PM

one would think that the partying and stuff would go on after the mission was over and they returned home. Pretty bad form to do it in the country you’re visiting with the boss.

ted c on April 25, 2012 at 9:53 PM

“Huh? I thought she was on the other plane…”

BobMbx on April 25, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I am on board with that.

egmont on April 25, 2012 at 9:58 PM

D-fusit

You know I agree, and he agents involve should have been chastised, but relieved from duty? And we are yanking clearances from Navy EOD and the Special Forces now for crap like this?

This entire affair is going to far at this point, trying to cut the rotten heart out of something that isn’t rotten.

And the people in question are too professional to speak up for themselves. This whole thing is a shame, but it shouldn’t be dealt with in the public eye.

Dr. Manhattan on April 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Dr. Manhattan on April 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM

wrong, wrong, wrong dude. they were with hookers. there’s talk of blackmail, the mossad etc.etc etc. opens the window to a gazillion things.

Our President must be protected don’t you think? no matter what party.

renalin on April 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM

And the people in question are too professional to speak up for themselves. This whole thing is a shame, but it shouldn’t be dealt with in the public eye.

Dr. Manhattan on April 25, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Why shouldn’t it be dealt with in the public eye?

Provide reasons or keep your self serving moral equivalence to yourself, please.

PolAgnostic on April 25, 2012 at 11:07 PM

I find it hard believe that on the very first time something like this is tried, it blows up in their face, the very first time?? It’s just not credible.

Pole-Cat on April 25, 2012 at 11:54 PM

And perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised.

Not surprised, certainly disappointed.

rukiddingme on April 25, 2012 at 11:55 PM

If they have to keep firing these guys, the prez is going to wind up being guarded by a pack of boy scouts and a re-cycled Mountie.

trigon on April 26, 2012 at 12:02 AM

“peccadilloes”??

Perhaps I’m a fogey, but I doubt the wives of these men see all this as an “insignificant fault” or “tiny sin.” Our nation is an offended party as well; just because other offenses are greater, doesn’t mean these are insignificant.

Likewise, just because we shouldn’t go all Scarlet Letter on these guys, doesn’t mean we should dismiss their sinful behavior as petty.

G. Charles on April 26, 2012 at 3:03 AM

I will give the Secret Service this. Once exposed they have moved quickly to deal with those implicated in the scandal. Unlike the GSA which has “slow jammed” any action against those involved.

In 2012, with the nation in the midst of a Democrat-induced economic morass, who would have thought that “party like a rock star” has been replaced with “party like a civil servant.”

Happy Nomad on April 26, 2012 at 8:40 AM

Likewise, just because we shouldn’t go all Scarlet Letter on these guys, doesn’t mean we should dismiss their sinful behavior as petty.

G. Charles on April 26, 2012 at 3:03 AM

I agree but I am more interested in an investigation of the culture that resulted in over 20 individuals thinking that this kind of behavior was acceptable. And, as the facts leaking out prove, Columbia was not the isolated event that the Secret Service is claiming. There is an underlying culture that allowed this kind of misconduct.

Happy Nomad on April 26, 2012 at 8:43 AM

One could say that this rot began from above years ago.

Secret Service officers guarding over and remaining silent about the dalliances of Presidents.

Sooner or later, the rot from the leader invades the ranks.

unclesmrgol on April 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM

no doubt this mostly started under Bush’s guidance…the coolWon has to clean up everything after that damn cowboy

r keller on April 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I’d be willing to bet that the rot began in JFK’s time. He seemed to have a nice selection himself.

unclesmrgol on April 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM

An old quiz:

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5297

unclesmrgol on April 26, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Wow, I never saw ANYTHING like this on “The West Wing”. Man, things have really changed, haven’t they? /sarc

dissent555 on April 26, 2012 at 5:15 PM