Quotes of the day

posted at 10:37 pm on April 25, 2012 by Allahpundit

“The largest wave of immigration in history from a single country to the United States has come to a standstill. After four decades that brought 12 million current immigrants—more than half of whom came illegally—the net migration flow from Mexico to the United States has stopped—and may have reversed, according to a new analysis by the Pew Hispanic Center of multiple government data sets from both countries.

“The standstill appears to be the result of many factors, including the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico’s birth rates and changing economic conditions in Mexico.”

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“In a typical year, the young men in this agricultural region of western Mexico would have made the journey north to America. But not this year or for this generation: a better future across the border is a promise they no longer trust.

“‘For years, we dreamed of America, but now that dream is no good,’ says 18-year-old Pedro Morales, sitting in the elegant Spanish colonial square of Comala under the shadow of the spectacular Volcan de Fuego. ‘There are no jobs and too many problems. We don’t want to go.’…

“‘The reason they’re coming home is because they have no options, no papers, and the laws are more aggressive,’ says Fernando Morett, a shopkeeper in the coastal town of Chiutlan. ‘It’s complicated, and people are debating it. If they don’t have friends in the US and they have to pay to cross the line, it’s not worth it.’”

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“First of all, there’s no reason to think that pressure for illegal immigration from Mexico won’t increase again; in fact, the total illegal population has already stopped declining and may have begun to grow again. The U.S. economy is bound to pick up at some point and the newfound middle-class status of so many Mexicans, often cited as a reason for the drop in departures northward, is tenuous. As the Washington Post put it, the country’s new middle class is ‘fearful that recent gains could be lost in a financial crisis or social upheaval.’

“What’s more, the decline in Mexico’s birth rate, which is also cited as a mark of the permanence of the drop-off in emigration, isn’t necessarily connected. The change is real enough; as recently as 1970, the average Mexican woman had nearly seven children, whereas today the number is barely over two. But emigration isn’t just a matter of excess people overflowing into another country. South Korea, for instance, has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world, not to mention a First World level of development, and yet emigration to the U.S. (mostly legal) continues apace. Immigration from Japan and China seems to have actually increased as fertility declined. And immigration from Russia isn’t stopping even though Russia’s total population is actually declining. Sure, if fertility is low enough for long enough, eventually you’ll just run out of people. But in the meantime, immigration is driven by networks of friends and relatives and employers rather than by population math.

“And finally, some part of the decline in new illegal immigrants, and the departure of those already here, was caused by the very enforcement measures the anti-borders crowd wants to dismantle in light of the new numbers.”

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“Pearce is not a Romney adviser, but he is the embodiment of the law that Romney embraced — and the baggage Romney now carries for seeking far-right support in the primary. On Tuesday, Pearce sat at the witness table, shaking his head in disagreement as others spoke about how the law encourages racial profiling and hurts legal Latino residents…

“Does he support Arizona authorities using ‘dress’ as a way to identify illegal immigrants? ‘You have to respond to reasonable suspicion to do your job,’ he said.

“Why didn’t the law simply require that everybody stopped by the police would be checked for immigration status, to avoid racial profiling? ‘I don’t want a police state,’ he said.

“No, he only wants that for people who don’t look like him.”

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“‘I think we have in Arizona an overreach where the Republicans have really overplayed their hand,’ said Luis Heredia, executive director of the Arizona Democratic Party, citing the immigration bill and Arpaio’s antics…

“One recent Saturday, Democratic state senate candidate Raquel Teran paced the streets of her strongly Hispanic Phoenix district, armed with a map, a list of registered Democratic voters and a sheaf of voter registration papers. She signed up one new voter at the first house she called at.

“Sitting out in the shady yard of her in-laws’ home, young mother Yvette Sierra, 22, shared an experience about her husband being pulled over by Arpaio’s deputies, who she said let him go only after he produced their young son’s U.S. birth certificate.

“‘He’s stopping people and I just don’t think it’s right,’ she says, filling out a voter registration form. ‘I never (voted), never thought about it . . . but I’m glad.’”

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“‘He’s already said that immigration reform is something that he’s committed to,’ McCain told reporters, in response to a question about whether Romney should make the issue a bigger focus of his campaign…

“The Arizona senator became agitated when asked about Romney having said he supports a self-deportation policy, whereby illegal immigrants would voluntarily go back to their country of origin and then apply for U.S. citizenship.

“No he hasn’t. He’s said that’s one of the options he’s looked at,’ McCain said. ‘So don’t put words in his mouth.’

“Romney has explicitly said he supports such a policy, however.”

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“Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R), an informal adviser to the Romney campaign who co-wrote Arizona’s controversial immigration law, predicted Romney would stick with his previous positions on border control.

“‘Governor Romney and the Romney team remain firmly opposed to amnesty,’ he told The Hill earlier this week. ‘I’m not getting any sense he’s changing his positions. He’s staked them out in the [presidential] debates with considerable specificity. He said the Arizona bill should be a model. He said the concept of self-deportation should be one that’s used. I hadn’t heard at all he’s moving and I doubt he will.’…

“Tancredo expressed hope that Kobach could convince Romney to hold his position on the DREAM Act and keep up the rhetoric he used during the primary, but doubted he would.”

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“In other words, attrition works. But if illegal immigrants are going home on their own, why do we need an amnesty? The argument for it is that the illegal immigrants are firmly rooted here and aren’t going anywhere. While that’s probably true for some illegals, it’s obviously not true for lots of them. So why not wait and see how much more the illegal population can be reduced through attrition before we surrender and declare an amnesty?”

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Via Quinnipiac.

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Cozmo
RedCrow spilled, we threatened to send DWS over to his house……

angrymike on April 26, 2012 at 9:39 AM

angrymike on April 26, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I saw. Oh well, its not like it was a state secret. It would have been fun to drag it out a few more days though.

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Cozmo
I had a feeling, but it was fun prying it out……

angrymike on April 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM

…but it was fun prying it out……

angrymike on April 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM

What? Fun? It was sooo off topic! Shame on you for enjoying something.

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Cozmo
so sorry float, it won’t happen again……..

angrymike on April 26, 2012 at 10:01 AM

So I just got here, did you get lots of hall monitors again? I hope Ed and Allah have some shiny badges for them.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Sorry, we are no longer permitted to give out that information.

Its off topic.

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Dang, I broke the rules just by posting that off topic.

And again…the horror that awaits me now.

Its all your fault Cindy.

For being so nice I was compelled to help you out.

Double dang! Off topic again!

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 10:15 AM

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 10:15 AM

I look at it this way, if they don’t like it and the hosts won’t stop it, they’ll stop coming. And that will be sooooo saaaaddd.
Darn I even missed a new name who linked a Metallica song. This working thing isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Cindy, you’re generally a well reasoned and balanced poster.

Do you ever consider that when posters constantly engage in trivia and unrelated topics on places like HotAir, they are actually diluting an otherwise useful source of information and knowledge and rendering it unusable for that purpose?

I don’t think left wing trolls do any more damage to such sources of legitimate news and information of a Conservative nature as do supposed conservatives who clog them up with worthless drivel.

Just my opinion, for what it’s worth.

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 11:39 AM

To expect people to discuss the topic for nine and a half hours is unrealistic. When traffic peters out, as it must, it leaves the site open to night marauding trolls who leave vile comments that are detrimental. Which doesn’t happen often but has happened. I think HotAir’s reputation is sufficiently established that it doesn’t need to fear late night chit chat on one thread a day. Your opinion is equal to anyone and drivel is in the eye of the beholder.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I think HotAir’s reputation is sufficiently established that it doesn’t need to fear late night chit chat on one thread a day.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Well, what keeps it from infecting the other threads? The only thing that is ever “established” is precedent.

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Because during the day Ed and Allah are awake and tell people to get back on topic. If this really bothers you I suggest you email the hosts at tips@hotair.com. If they agree with you, they can put a stop to it. They can make a blanket statement or contact the “offenders” individually. I think it is a bit insulting that you believe you are the only one who worries about HotAir’s reputation or believe it to be so fragile. The respect it gets is not from the commenters but from the talented bloggers.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM

The respect it gets is not from the commenters but from the talented bloggers.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM

No argument there. And that’s why I continue to frequent the site.

I suppose I’m just expecting the level of conversation to align with the tenor of the articles and that’s really hoping for too much.

It does, however, seem to be a pattern I’ve noticed over the years that informational sites with comment sections tend to deteriorate after a while to the lowest common denomminator instead of the other way around and, so far, I’ve valued the education and information I

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM

(oops) I’ve found here and would like to see it remain so.

No offense intended, although this does seem to be the one topic that cannot be addressed without stirring up resentments for some reason.

It is a valid concern and a valid topic for discussion, IMO.

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM

It’s funny how that works. There are threads that don’t get many comments and it’s not because I don’t learn a lot but that there doesn’t seem to be much to say in addition. Also, QOTD is a compilation of other people’s work, not HotAir, maybe that explains the looser standards. Although some of the most fun I’ve ever had on the site was breaking that fact to some outraged commenter that was calling AP everything under the Sun. Including my husband. Anyway, lots of blogs have open threads and you still learn things. Sometimes about the craziest stuff.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 1:03 PM

No offense even slightly taken, your concerns are just as valid as anyone’s.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 1:11 PM

No offense even slightly taken, your concerns are just as valid as anyone’s.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Good. Thanks for listneing.

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 1:13 PM

listening

Cleombrotus on April 26, 2012 at 1:15 PM

The direction of this thread has veered completely off topic in the last two hours.

Names have been taken and the appropriate authorities will be notified.

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Oh noooooos!!!

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2012 at 1:35 PM

The direction of this thread has veered completely off topic in the last two hours.

Names have been taken and the appropriate authorities will be notified.

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Starting with this post,

…no chit chat either!

KOOLAID2 on April 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM

you all spent the whole night having completely off-topic discussion about the concept of off-topic discussions.*

You are all soooo going to be crucified when the EPA finds out about this.

What do you mean, “this doesn’t have anything to do with them”?

1. That is highly appropriate, given the offense,

and more importantly,

2. They need a scapegoat anyway.

*Now that I’ve posted this, it’s occurred to me that it doesn’t really address the issue of off-topic questions itself – only the topical nature (or lack-thereof) of a discussion of off-topic discussions. Which could make me an accomplice.

RINO in Name Only on April 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Which could make me an accomplice.

RINO in Name Only on April 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Then report yourself post haste.

cozmo on April 26, 2012 at 3:00 PM

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