Federal govt: hey, green jobs didn’t work out, but maybe green education will

posted at 1:21 pm on April 24, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Yesterday, Obama’s Education Secretary Arne Duncan, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, and White House Council on Environmental Quality Chair Nancy Sutley gathered at a D.C. elementary school to announce the 78 winners of the Department of Education’s first-ever – I know, try to contain your excitement here – “Green Ribbon” Schools contest. Let the state-sponsored brainwashing commence! Said Secretary Duncan:

“Science, environmental and outdoor education play a central role in providing children with a well-rounded education, helping prepare them for the jobs of the future,” said U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan. “U.S. Department of Education Green Ribbon Schools demonstrate compelling examples of the ways schools can help children build real-world skillsets, cut school costs, and provide healthy learning environments.”

U.S. Department of Education Green Ribbon Schools (ED-GRS) is a federal recognition program that opened in September 2011. Honored schools exercise a comprehensive approach to creating “green” environments through reducing environmental impact, promoting health, and ensuring a high-quality environmental and outdoor education to prepare students with the 21st century skills and sustainability concepts needed in the growing global economy.

“Schools that take a green approach cut costs on their utility bills, foster healthy and productive classrooms, and prepare students to thrive in the 21st century economy,” said Nancy Sutley, Chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality. “These Green Ribbon School award winners are taking outstanding steps to educate tomorrow’s environmental leaders, and demonstrating how sustainability and environmental awareness make sense for the health of our students and our country.”

Environmental quality is an issue most effectively and efficiently handled at the local level, and the federal government butting in to try and convert impressionable children with more top-down virtue to trust state power instead of their own brains is not going to help the planet. Perhaps there are some very marginal savings to be had in teaching kids how to cut down on their paper use, or whatever — but there are also serious opportunity costs in taking time and resources out of the limited school day to educate them about “outdoor education” instead of, oh, I don’t know, 2 + 2 = 4, or other such objective facts.

Real-world skill sets, cutting costs, healthy environments, and preparing to thrive in the new 21st century economy of the future — er, weren’t those the exact same goals that stimulating green jobs were supposed to achieve for adults in the workforce? And seeing as how all of those green jobs we were promised have failed to take in the productive, wealth-producing part of the economy not subsidized by the federal government with money we don’t have, why are we turning around and indoctrinating our kids with the pro-climate change eco-trends du jour? For very good reason, if you’re into nanny statism and central planning: because this isn’t about “winning the future.” It’s about nurturing the next generation of big-government liberals who’d rather have somebody take care of them than expend the energy it takes to think critically.

Honestly now, one of the “Green Ribbon” recipients is a Californian school called — wait for it — the Environmental Charter High School, which should tell us pretty much everything we need to know about the true nature of this taxpayer-funded program.


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Schadenfreude on April 24, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Green is so overdone..

Intrepid767 on April 24, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Im sure China and India will be willing to help pick up the pollution slack at our stupid expense.

watertown on April 24, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Go green comrade!

8thAirForce on April 24, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.

– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

They know what they’re doing. They’ve learned from the best.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Another step in Obama’s plan to take over the curricula of every public school in the country.

Wethal on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

There’s nothing controversial about sustainability to cut energy use and identify other waste to improve the bottom line. You’d be hard pressed to find a single Fortune 500 company that doesn’t have a sustainability group with that mission.

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

I’m sure it’s just oversight that a craphole public inner city school was chosen for this and not the exclusive private school that Barry sends HIS kids to.

MNHawk on April 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM

They were pushing this nonsense when I was in grade school – back in the 1970s.

Of course, then it was “global cooling”, we were causing a new ice age.

Funny, no matter what the problem is, the solution is always a world socialist government.

Rebar on April 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM

1984 wasn’t an instruction manual.

lorien1973 on April 24, 2012 at 1:29 PM

PBHO’s America: Teaching kids how to steal $500 million bucks from the U.S. taxpayer simply by creating a “green” company with an exotic eco-sounding name.

Bishop on April 24, 2012 at 1:29 PM

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

You buy your $60 LED light bulbs yet? If not get out of here with your nonsense.

watertown on April 24, 2012 at 1:29 PM

aww, tree-hugging babies, before they can even walk…what can be cuter than this image :-)…

jimver on April 24, 2012 at 1:30 PM

There’s nothing controversial about sustainability to cut energy use and identify other waste to improve the bottom line. You’d be hard pressed to find a single Fortune 500 company that doesn’t have a sustainability group with that mission.
bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

High gas prices that hurt the poor and economic growth, wasting money on “green” boondoggles, forcing the prices of new cars up with ridiculous, unrealistic mileage standards = “progress” in the warped mind of a liberal.

You can take your “progress” and shove it.

jawkneemusic on April 24, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I hope they protected those children from Arne D.

txhsmom on April 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM

But what about the “global lean energy race”?

You know, the imaginary race that left wing enviros created to trick the drones into supporting some good old wealth redistribution?

shanimal on April 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM

There’s nothing controversial about sustainability to cut energy use and identify other waste to improve the bottom line. You’d be hard pressed to find a single Fortune 500 company that doesn’t have a sustainability group with that mission.

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

“Green,” when it comes to the government and the public schools, is about mass group-think, leading to mass movements directed towards State control – of every facet of our lives.

Just ask Van Jones.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Schools that take a green approach cut costs on their utility bills, foster healthy and productive classrooms, and prepare students to thrive in the 21st century economy….

Looking at that quote with a bit of skepticism:

Schools that take a green approach cut costs on their utility bills….

That is probably true.

…foster healthy and productive classrooms….

The connection between “green approach” and “healthy and productive classrooms” is almost entirely spurious. Are kids going to learn more by unplugging their computers 2 hours a day? By having spaghetti light bulbs rather than standard fluorescents in their classrooms? By reusing and reusing and reusing school supplies? It sounds like this would be LESS productive.

…and prepare students to thrive in the 21st century economy….

For “21st century economy,” see “Solyndra.”

This is the best they have? What BS.

HeatSeeker2011 on April 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM

OOOPS I meant to type: “global clean energy race”?

shanimal on April 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Let the state-sponsored brainwashing commence!

Little late……the government run indoctrination centers have been at this for five decades now.

antipc on April 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Control your environment, or someone else will. Namely, eco-control freaks.

Christien on April 24, 2012 at 1:32 PM

You’d be hard pressed to find a single Fortune 500 company that doesn’t have a sustainability group with that mission.

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Eh, ask them behind closed doors how much of that is based on consumer relations.

Bishop on April 24, 2012 at 1:32 PM

They were pushing this nonsense when I was in grade school – back in the 1970s.

Of course, then it was “global cooling”, we were causing a new ice age.

Funny, no matter what the problem is, the solution is always a world socialist government.

Rebar on April 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Outstanding post. I have nothing to add.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 24, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Honestly now, one of the “Green Ribbon” recipients is a Californian school called – Californication.

Dr Evil on April 24, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Who gets to decide what is sustainable and what isn’t?

I’m going to go way out on a limb here and predict that they have Phd somewhere in their title.

shanimal on April 24, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Honestly now, one of the “Green Ribbon” recipients is a Californian school called — wait for it — the Environmental Charter High School, which should tell us pretty much everything we need to know about the true nature of this taxpayer-funded program.

With apologies to Smuckers: With a name like the Environmental Charter High School, it has to be green.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

There is everything wrong with political indoctrination.

NotCoach on April 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Bishop on April 24, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Yep. I believe the term is “greenwash.”

Christien on April 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM

The public school system: ‘Usually a twelve year sentence of mind control. Crushing creativity, smashing individualism, encouraging collectivism …, destroying the exercise of intellectual inquiry, twisting it, instead, into meek subservience to authority.’

– Walter Karp

OhEssYouCowboys on April 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM

“Green,” when it comes to the government and the public schools, is about mass group-think, leading to mass movements directed towards State control – of every facet of our lives.

Just ask Van Jones.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Van Jones agrees that you quoted him correctly :-)…

jimver on April 24, 2012 at 1:36 PM

To every environutball who will crawl out to comment here,
here is what your god ( the one before algore) spitted out recently :

But today, one of the first people to expound upon this theory, James Lovelock, has admitted to being a “climate alarmist” and is now reversing his stance on the extremes he once thought man-made global climate change would lead us to.

And this was on MsNBC, or as Obamidiots are told, their
” Education Channel”

burrata on April 24, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Democrats think up the greatest names for their patronage systems.

gwelf on April 24, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Eh, ask them behind closed doors how much of that is based on consumer relations.

Bishop on April 24, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Yeah, just about everything supposedly green within the typical corporation is about appeasing the Green Nazis. Corporations are going to look for efficiencies without the Green Nazis help. The Green Nazis just make them have to waste money to try and prevent bad PR.

NotCoach on April 24, 2012 at 1:37 PM

And tidal waves couldn’t save the world from Californication……

Dr Evil on April 24, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Funny, no matter what the problem is, the solution is always a world socialist government.

Rebar on April 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM

funny, no matter the time/era, it never works :-)…

jimver on April 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM

There’s nothing controversial about sustainability to cut energy use and identify other waste to improve the bottom line. You’d be hard pressed to find a single Fortune 500 company that doesn’t have a sustainability group with that mission.
bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

So government intrusion and indoctrination is unnecessary.

gwelf on April 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Coal exports from the U.S. to China, India and Japan, higher than ever.

Greenies are soiling themselves over it.

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Gee, do you think placing “Earth Day” on the anniversary of V.I. Lenin’s birth was an “accident”?

djtnt on April 24, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Guess the thinking here is that somebody is going to have to cut our Chinese overlords lawns.

/shovel ready

Terp Mole on April 24, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Out: 2+2=4
In: 2+2=5

forest on April 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I’ve been an educator for close to twenty years and can’t think of one blessed thing the Dept of Ed has done for me except make my life more complicated.

Cut the bureaucracies. Dissolve the Dept. of Ed. Bunch of ivory tower do-nothings who sit on their rear ends and dream up ways for real teachers to do things their way–or else. *grumble*

Grace_is_sufficient on April 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM

funny, no matter the time/era, it never works :-)…

jimver on April 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM

If it worked, there would be no need to brainwash children to want it.

Rebar on April 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Looks like it may be more than worth taking out some loans to put my kid through private school!

I can’t take this garbage anymore!!

Anyone else notice how these flat-earth no-growth environmental marxists are always so concerned about the earth but couldn’t care less about the $15 T plus debt and massive bureaucratic gov’t???

LevinFan on April 24, 2012 at 1:43 PM

“Green,” when it comes to the government and the public schools, is about mass group-think, leading to mass movements directed towards State control – of every facet of our lives.

Just ask Van Jones.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 24, 2012 at 1:31 PM

6 Green Lessons We Can Learn From Communism

NotCoach on April 24, 2012 at 1:46 PM

For sh!ts and giggles, I pulled up right in front of the local environmental school in a Hummer during morning drop-off, parked the wrong way, blasted some Metallica, and revved the engine a few times.

The look on the granola mommies’ faces was priceless.

Christien on April 24, 2012 at 1:48 PM

For sh!ts and giggles, I pulled up right in front of the local environmental school in a Hummer during morning drop-off, parked the wrong way, blasted some Metallica, and revved the engine a few times.

The look on the granola mommies’ faces was priceless.

Christien on April 24, 2012 at 1:48 PM

That’s awesome!

A girl at my work was so proud that it was Earth Day that she went out of her way to remind me about it.

I told her I was going out to may car for an hour to let it idle in the parking lot. So responded by saying “that’s terrible” and shaking her head.

LevinFan on April 24, 2012 at 1:51 PM

War on juvenile psyche.

antipc on April 24, 2012 at 1:51 PM

You’d be hard pressed to find a single Fortune 500 company that doesn’t have a sustainability group with that mission.
bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

That’s because the thug in chief sends his goons to apply boots on the necks of ” the rich” ,
a phenomenon also known as extortion and black mail ,
one of the finer aspects of marxism.
Everyone has to buy protection from the thugs , you know that don’t you ?

burrata on April 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM

You’d be hard pressed to find a single Fortune 500 company that doesn’t have a sustainability group with that mission.

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Eh, ask them behind closed doors how much of that is based on consumer relations.

Bishop on April 24, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Actually I was referring to internal sustainability teams that don’t have a public-facing role. Cutting energy use by even 10% has a huge impact on the bottom line and it’s not just about a PR stunt.

You buy your $60 LED light bulbs yet? If not get out of here with your nonsense.

watertown on April 24, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Wow, are you serious? No but most corporations have switched to CF lighting to cut energy costs and will switch to LED when it becomes cost competitive.

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM

How much more backwards can we get as a country with this green garbage??

Reminds me of the signs at a local beach talking about “NO Idling or $$$ fine!”

People need to pull their heads out of their collective a$$es and it all starts with the brainwashing going on at school!

LevinFan on April 24, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Why Are The People In Charge Of Teaching Our Children So Stupid?

1. They’re not called union “GOONS” for nothing.
2. They’re not “teachers” – they’re “socialist indoctrinators” – and all socialists are mentally handicapped.
3. Pedophilia causes a massive reduction in IQ.
4. Their focus is on maximizing their gold-plated taxpayer-funded benefits and humongous salaries and can’t spend any time or effort to correctly do anything concerning students.
…and on, and on, and on….

Remember the good old saying: Those that can’t “do”, “teach”…
and those that can’t “do” or “teach” become “school administrators”…
and those that can’t “do”, “teach” or “administrate” become federal government bureaucrats…
and those that can’t “do”, “teach”, “administrate” or “bureaucrat” become community organizers…
and those that can’t “do”, “teach”, “administrate”, “bureaucrat” or “community organize” become members of the #occupy (bowel) movement…
and those that can’t “do”, “teach”, “administrate”, “bureaucrat”, “community organize” or “#occupy” are called “Bite-Me” biden

TeaPartyNation on April 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Sure because liberal indoctrination has worked out so well for this President, as it will for every future President from the left.

Education must be reformed.

Speakup on April 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM

LevinFan on April 24, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Nice. We celebrated by driving a suburban assault vehicle (minivan) out to Mother Nature to play paintball. All that paint and CO2 all over the trees. Mwahahahaha!

Christien on April 24, 2012 at 1:55 PM

“Schools that take a green approach cut costs on their utility bills, foster healthy and productive classrooms, and prepare students to thrive in the 21st century economy,” said Nancy Sutley, Chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

Students in green schools that cut utility bills:

“I can’t see the blackboard. It’s too dark in here.”

“My handwriting is bad because I’m shivering in here.”

“I couldn’t go online because they shut down the computers in the libary.”

“What do you mean, I stink? They only had cold showers after gym class!”

“(Cough!) I’m not coming to school today because I (cough!) caught a cold in outdoor edu(cough!)cation in the rain.”

“I’m late because the school bus got stuck in 10 inches of global warming, and they didn’t plow the roads.”

Steve Z on April 24, 2012 at 1:56 PM

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Those CFL light bulbs are a pathetic scam.

It’s debatable if they really save energy and if you break one you need to call in your local Hazmat team to clean it up!

And if these phony green bulbs were so great it would be up to the free market to decide instead of the all powerful gov’t forcing us to use them!!

LevinFan on April 24, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Actually I was referring to internal sustainability teams that don’t have a public-facing role. Cutting energy use by even 10% has a huge impact on the bottom line and it’s not just about a PR stunt.

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Right. So let people find their own efficiencies and get the government out of the way, and out of indoctrinating our children.

NotCoach on April 24, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Home School…

PatriotRider on April 24, 2012 at 2:01 PM

but there are also serious opportunity costs in taking time and resources out of the limited school day to educate them about “outdoor education” instead of, oh, I don’t know, 2 + 2 = 4, or other such objective facts.

Take not care, Erika, for China will provide for our government which will provide for all our needs from green cradle to green grave.

timberline on April 24, 2012 at 2:03 PM

This reinforces my assertion that proggie environmentalism is founded in childish and naive fascination with nature. Look at the pretty caribou, -no oil drilling in Alaska; look at the squirrels and birds, -no logging; look at the cute little fishies, -save the water for them and turn off the Central Valley.

Children are so vulnerable to all this green crap; it’s just another area in K-12 where we need to force a balance.

slickwillie2001 on April 24, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Must be part of US Government’s UN Agenda 21 training.

zeff on April 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM

slickwillie2001 on April 24, 2012 at 2:04 PM

It’s the return of the primitive, and they had their origins in the 60s.

Look at the uni bomber’s screed. Look at what Bill Ayer’s and the weather underground wanted. Look at Detroit it’s shrinking and being turned back into farm land.

Dr Evil on April 24, 2012 at 2:08 PM

William Ayers’ forgotten communist manifesto: Prairie Fire

Dr Evil on April 24, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Some of my favorite school experiences in the 1950′s were part of school sponsored camping. We learned a lot of really cool skills like camping, snaring animals to cook etc.

Some how, I don’t think that this is exactly what is meant by “Green Schooling.”

Linh_My on April 24, 2012 at 2:13 PM

The term “dumber than dirt” comes to mind…

cartooner on April 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Don’t they give a “green ribbon” to every child, so their self-esteem will be protected?

Or do they only do that when they don’t really want to encourage some behavior or other? I guess the lefties really do understand motivation, deep down, don’t they?

philwynk on April 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM

When I was in school many wanted to be astronauts, now they’ll want to be gardeners ………

angrymike on April 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Re education camps? In the South West….Ward Churchill surfaces….

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them… how things were going to be.

I asked, well, what’s going to happen to those people that we can’t re-educate; that are die-hard capitalists. And the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill. 25 million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.”

– Larry Grathwohl, former member of the Weather Underground

Dr Evil on April 24, 2012 at 2:18 PM

One morning, Grandpa Lenin was shaving when some children walked past his window. The children waved and said hello. “Go *#@$ yourselves,” replied Lenin. He could’ve slit their throats with his razor, but didn’t. So you see, Grandpa Lenin loved children!

Akzed on April 24, 2012 at 2:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZrhG2iT3H0

Paul Shanklin at his best, I even like this better than the original!!

LevinFan on April 24, 2012 at 2:20 PM

. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the southwest,

And the Obama administration’s AG Eric Holder sued Arizona (SW) over it’s immigration legislation which Senator Chuck Schumer (D) NY stated the Democrats would go around if the court upholds Arizona’s law.

Dr Evil on April 24, 2012 at 2:21 PM

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution.

Counter revolution aka “TEA party”. Who hates the TEA party who want limited government and a return to adherence to the U.S. Constitution? Mostly communist progressives :)

Dr Evil on April 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Unable to convince adults, the Greenies are now force-feeding their religion to children who are isolated from their parents in government schools and mentally unprepared to withstand the constant barrage of eco-BS.

If we were doing this to prisoners in Guantanamo, the ACLU would have a fit.

Socratease on April 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Green is the new RED.

Axion on April 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Eh, ask them behind closed doors how much of that is based on consumer relations.
 
Bishop on April 24, 2012 at 1:32 PM

 
And how much is based on legislation. Hey, look, it’s almost exactly the same number:
 

So what’s driving green demand?
 
According to the survey, energy costs are a primary cause. For example, when asked which factors are most important in their company’s environmental decision making, executives cite potential energy savings (60%), followed by compliance with regulations (51%)

 
Yay, almost as many business spend gobs of money on “green” causes because they’re forced to than those that are “cutting energy use by even 10% (to improve their) bottom line”.
 
But don’t miss the punch line. Read it again if you didn’t catch it. From the same link:
 

The US-based computer maker spokesperson explains, “It’s all about the cost of energy.

 
More coal, more nuclear, more drilling, more fracking = cheaper power, and “green” economic (ahem) sense goes away.
 
So the top two reasons are 1) trying to save money because the government won’t do their part to reduce costs of energy and 2) complying with government regulations.
 
It would almost be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic.

rogerb on April 24, 2012 at 2:29 PM

If you catch them young enough, there is no need for brainwashing, a light rinse will do…

patch on April 24, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Schools cut utility bills… so there’s more money for bloated union contracts!
It’s SO obvious, even a first-grader could understand!

Marcola on April 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM

green is the new red…

affenhauer on April 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Axion on April 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

dammit…

affenhauer on April 24, 2012 at 2:42 PM

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

The term sustainability is vastly over used and doesn’t have a consistent meaning. For instance, how do you live in a sustainable manner. Do you live where water must to pumped in from places unseen? Do you live where all the food stuffs you use are trucked in from places unseen? How is either of those truly sustainable? Meanwhile you may drive a e-car of some form and you may set your thermostat a little lower in the winter and higher in the summer. If your city allows you might have a bit better of a landscaping scheme to save water. In the end those are feel good things.

chemman on April 24, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Obama’a Watermelon Department of Education: Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

Jaibones on April 24, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Why Are The People In Charge Of Teaching Our Children So Stupid?

TeaPartyNation on April 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM

This teacher graduated high school and college with high honors. I was encouraged to go professional in my concentration area but my heart was in teaching. I can certainly “do”. Now tell me, TeaPartyNation cohort, do you REALLY want all intelligent, conservative teachers to abandon public schools? Or might it be good for a few of us to remain, fighting the good fight while there’s still a chance?

I get so sick of the teacher-bashing around here. Unions? Bash away. Bad teachers? Feel free. Sweeping statements like this, though, are grossly unfair to a great number of teachers who stick their conservative, God-fearing, America-loving necks out every day to give our kids some semblance of a classic education.

/rant over

Grace_is_sufficient on April 24, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Actually I was referring to internal sustainability teams that don’t have a public-facing role. Cutting energy use by even 10% has a huge impact on the bottom line and it’s not just about a PR stunt.
bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Business’s have always had groups that looked at ways to cut the bottom line. Why are they suddenly called sustainability teams when that word is all the rage if not strictly for PR?

chemman on April 24, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Grace_is_sufficient on April 24, 2012 at 2:57 PM

+100

The only thing that you said that I disagree with is this part:

/rant over

Rant on, Grace. I sympathize with the fact that the bad apples get the headlines. It is good to hear from one of the points of light!

HeatSeeker2011 on April 24, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Henceforth, the only time I want to hear the term “green” is in conjuction with the actual color.

And I’m also tired of hearing the word “awesome” used by anyone over the age of 12. Just sayin’

natasha333 on April 24, 2012 at 3:22 PM

So, you get a ribbon for being a hippie now?

I hope they’re made from a recyclable source.

ButterflyDragon on April 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Unable to convince adults, the Greenies are now force-feeding their religion to children who are isolated from their parents in government schools and mentally unprepared to withstand the constant barrage of eco-BS.

You people are too funny. These schools are doing nothing different than what Fortune 500 companies in the US have done internally- even borrowing the same “sustainability” language.

Don’t any of you read Forbes or Fortune magazine? I mean these programs are old news in the business world and broadly accepted by corporate leaders. There’s not even a real political story here.

From last week:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eco-nomics/2012/04/19/wal-mart-expands-sustainability-initiatives-in-new-report/

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Rant on, Grace. I sympathize with the fact that the bad apples get the headlines. It is good to hear from one of the points of light!

HeatSeeker2011 on April 24, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Thanks, HeatSeeker. That means a lot. I often wonder what the end goal in sweeping teacher-bashing is. That all conservative teachers are driven out by the panting hatred of our conservative cohorts? Sheesh.

Grace_is_sufficient on April 24, 2012 at 4:24 PM

I have been saying this for years……

PUBLIC EDUCATION LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE LEFT PRODUCES CHILDREN THAT KNOW HOW TO RECYCLE BEFORE THEY KNOW HOW TO READ AND WRITE

BabysCatz on April 24, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Thanks, HeatSeeker. That means a lot. I often wonder what the end goal in sweeping teacher-bashing is. That all conservative teachers are driven out by the panting hatred of our conservative cohorts? Sheesh.

Grace_is_sufficient on April 24, 2012 at 4:24 PM

My pleasure, Grace.

I am an attorney, so I share your frustration. On some conservative websites (particularly Lucianne.com), “lawyer” is always preceded by the words “ambulance-chasing” (I do domestic and international business deals, not litigation).

All lawsuits are termed “frivolous” (some are, but the vast majority aren’t).

The solution to every fiscal problem is “tort reform” (which is never very well-defined and, to the extent it is defined, I can usually shoot down in about 37 nanoseconds).

Still, I am a happy conservative, whether they like me or not. LOL.

Be well and be happy,

HeatSeeker

HeatSeeker2011 on April 24, 2012 at 4:46 PM

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM

You ever play buzzword bingo at any kind of corporate meeting? I could win buzzword or name-drop bingo every day with your pathetic commentary. You’re no different from those managers fresh out of some training course who will stand up for 30 minutes (or more) spouting the latest buzzwords without really having a clue what they actually mean. Sustainability is right up there with socializing our synergies, leveraging core competencies, and lots of other crap – all the big companies say stuff like that – it’s all about PR and the latest buzzword and management style fads. You can call it anything you want, but the bottom line of “sustainability” or anything like it is about reducing costs and increasing profit – with a side order or “do what the government says or they kill us”. It has nothing to do with a real desire to “go green” unless it actually cuts costs or improves productivity – which most “green” ideas don’t. If the “sustainability” people are doing their real job right they are trading of the cost of implementation and longterm costs against the actual savings and ROI – and in most cases green initiatives fail in that trade-off.

No but most corporations have switched to CF lighting to cut energy costs and will switch to LED when it becomes cost competitive.

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM

And while we’re at it – define “MOST corporations” in your statement above – and prove it. I’ve been in the corporate world since 1987 and the companies I’ve been in and worked with are NOT rushing into expensive new green technologies.

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2012 at 4:51 PM

DR GOEBBELS WOULD BE PROUD OF THE OBAMA TOADIES

Molding minds, at such an early age, into good little leftists.. :)

BigSven on April 24, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Don’t any of you read Forbes or Fortune magazine? I mean these programs are old news in the business world and broadly accepted by corporate leaders. There’s not even a real political story here.
 
From last week:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eco-nomics/2012/04/19/wal-mart-expands-sustainability-initiatives-in-new-report/
 
bayam on April 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM

 
Don’t you keep up with environmental legislation? I mean these programs are old news in the legislative world and broadly in place across America.
 
I’m guessing from your posts that you’re not actually in the business world. From your link:
 

United States-based Walmart stores reduced their landfill waste by 80 percent. Walmart is also working on…

 
Google “waste diversion landfill legislation” if you’re unfamiliar with why companies have (ahem) “incentives” to do these things.

rogerb on April 24, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Google “waste diversion landfill legislation” if you’re unfamiliar with why companies have (ahem) “incentives” to do these things.

rogerb on April 24, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Also google “Penn and Teller Bullsh!t recycling landfills” and watch the video to see the true facts about the fallacy of government mandates on things like this. In fact everyone should watch the whole Penn and Teller Bullsh!t series – which piece by piece destroys the entire lib/Dem agenda/platform.

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Cass Sunstein, World Watch Institute, and other organizations are “nudging” children to be green:

http://www.missourieducationwatchdog.com/2010/10/epas-not-so-benign-nudging-in.html

manateespirit on April 24, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Im sure China and India will be willing to help pick up the pollution slack at our stupid expense.

watertown on April 24, 2012 at 1:25 PM

…already have!

KOOLAID2 on April 24, 2012 at 8:10 PM

bayam

…do you have a drug problem?

KOOLAID2 on April 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM

You people are too funny. These schools are doing nothing different than what Fortune 500 companies in the US have done internally… There’s not even a real political story here.
 
From last week:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eco-nomics/2012/04/19/wal-mart-expands-sustainability-initiatives-in-new-report/
 
bayam on April 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM

 
From your link:
 

Today, our program covers three core areas:
 
-Recycling cardboard, paper, aluminum, plastic bags and roughly 30 other items…

(legislation / massive fines)
 

- Donating healthy, nutritious food to food banks around the country. In 2011, we donated 338 million pounds of food…

(tax write-offs- deduction is equal to the lesser of what operators paid for the food plus half its appreciated value, or two times the cost of the food)
 

- Creating animal feed, energy or compost from expired food and other organic products…

(they don’t give a d*mn about “green”. Permission to make dog food out of their trash = $$$)
 
Good choice for your bottom-line/non-PR example, though. Well done.
 
You people are too funny.

rogerb on April 24, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Hot Air’s very own resident ranching high screwl science teacher will now weigh in:

There’s nothing controversial about sustainability to cut energy use and identify other waste to improve the bottom line. You’d be hard pressed to find a single Fortune 500 company that doesn’t have a sustainability group with that mission.

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

That’s the Agenda 21 buzzword there. There is something controversial about sustainability. Bcs they want to use it to regulate the $hit out of all of us out here in rural America so they can crowd us all into cities.
$hit like this only helps destroy rural America.

You see, farm kids were already getting safer & safer with FFA & 4-H & Farm Bureau safety camps & training.
This is NOT about being ‘green’, whatever the eff that means.
‘Saving’ energy means energy prices will only sky rocket.
Bcs the less that is used, the less $$ the energy providers make & so then the price of the product has to go up to re-coup costs.
I’ve seen the push in ‘green’ curriculum come across my desk & in my screwl mailbox.
It’s all PROPAGANDA. And if I do use any of it in screwl, it is to help students spot propaganda.
I am actually teaching my students to spot propaganda, both from the left & right.
We learn SCIENCE. Not propaganda.
And that is what all this green crap’s about.
It may live in tiny rural America down here in SW ND.
But I’m going to do the best I can to arm my students with some self reliant thinking skills.
Bcs they are going to need them in this effed up world.

Badger40 on April 25, 2012 at 8:35 AM

There’s nothing controversial about sustainability to cut energy use and identify other waste to improve the bottom line. You’d be hard pressed to find a single Fortune 500 company that doesn’t have a sustainability group with that mission.

bayam on April 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM

You mean the PRIVATE companies that make up the F-500?

Perhaps you have a reading comprehension problem, but we’re talking about tax dollars being forcibly taken from us to indoctrinate our kids to think like you.

Perhaps you’d have an issue with it if we were forcing you to pay for the funding of indoctrinating your kids to think like me?

Yeah, I thought so.

runawayyyy on April 25, 2012 at 9:11 AM

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