Quotes of the day

posted at 9:01 pm on April 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

“Whitmire is an angry man. He is among a group of voters most skeptical of President Obama: noncollege-educated white males. He feels betrayed — not just by Obama, who won his vote in 2008, but by the institutions that were supposed to protect him: his state, which laid off his wife; his government in Washington, which couldn’t rescue homeowners who had played by the rules; his bank, which failed to walk him through the correct paperwork or warn him about a potential mortgage hike; his city, which penalized him for somebody else’s error; and even his employer, a construction company he likes even though he got laid off. ‘I was middle class for 10 years, but it’s done,’ Whitmire says. ‘I’ve lost my home. I live in a trailer now because of a mortgage company and an incompetent government.’

“Whitmire is a story of Muncie, and Muncie is the story of America. In this place—dubbed ‘Middletown’ by early 20th-century sociologists—people have lost faith in their institutions. Government, politics, corporations, the media, organized religion, organized labor, banks, businesses, and other mainstays of a healthy society are failing. It’s not just that the institutions are corrupt or broken; those clichés oversimplify an existential problem: With few notable exceptions, the nation’s onetime social pillars are ill-equipped for the 21st century. Most critically, they are failing to adapt quickly enough for a population buffeted by wrenching economic, technological, and demographic change…

“When people trust their institutions, they’re better able to solve common problems. Research shows that school principals are much more likely to turn around struggling schools in places where people have a history of working together and getting involved in their children’s education. Communities bonded by friendships formed at church are more likely to vote, volunteer, and perform everyday good deeds like helping someone find a job. And governments find it easier to persuade the public to make sacrifices for the common good when people trust that their political leaders have the community’s best interests at heart. ‘Institutions — even dysfunctional ones — are why we don’t run amok in the woods,’ Hansen says.”

***

“People in politics talk about the right track/wrong track numbers as an indicator of public mood. This week Gallup had a poll showing only 24% of Americans feel we’re on the right track as a nation. That’s a historic low. Political professionals tend, understandably, to think it’s all about the economy — unemployment, foreclosures, we’re going in the wrong direction. I’ve long thought that public dissatisfaction is about more than the economy, that it’s also about our culture, or rather the flat, brute, highly sexualized thing we call our culture.

“Now I’d go a step beyond that. I think more and more people are worried about the American character — who we are and what kind of adults we are raising.

“Every story that has broken through the past few weeks has been about who we are as a people. And they are all disturbing…

“The leveling or deterioration of public behavior has got to be worrying people who have enough years on them to judge with some perspective.

“Something seems to be going terribly wrong.”

***

“[S]omething fundamental seems to have changed in the political marketplace. The winning strategy is no longer to be more moderate than your opponent, to offer a bigger tent. Instead, it is to be more zealous and committed to your party’s ideology…

“The irony is that the politicians who prevail in these gladiator contests inherit a system so bitter, so partisan and so ideologically polarized that they can’t accomplish anything. They know that they and their constituents would be better off if they cooperated and compromised more, but they just can’t. If they try, they face a serious risk of being run out of office, either in the next primary by someone who better appeals to the party’s political base, or in the general election by an opponent whose extremism has allowed him or her to energize the other side’s core voters.

“Politics has become a tragedy — a tragedy of the commons, that is. The individual pursuit of rational self-interest by parties and politicians, which in political and economic theory is supposed to generate the best outcome, has instead led to a cycle in which extremism, partisanship and stalemate all beget more of the same. We keep thinking it can’t continue like this, but it only gets worse…

“Arms races, free riding, tragedies of the commons — these failures in economic markets are well understood. The solutions usually involve some form of government action or regulation. But when similar failures occur in political markets, there are no institutions capable of stepping in and forcing the necessary collaboration or collective action.”

***

“‘There is a crisis of authority, and we’re not prepared to think about it in these terms,’ said Fukuyama. ‘When Americans think about the problem of government, it is always about constraining the government and limiting its scope.’ That dates back to our founding political culture. The rule of law, regular democratic rotations in power and human rights protections were all put in place to create obstacles to overbearing, overly centralized government. ‘But we forget,’ Fukuyama added, ‘that government was also created to act and make decisions.’…

“Indeed, America today increasingly looks like the society that the political scientist Mancur Olson wrote about in his 1982 classic ‘The Rise and Decline of Nations.’ He warned that when a country amasses too many highly focused special-interest lobbies — which have an inherent advantage over the broad majority, which is fixated on the well-being of the country as a whole — they can, like a multilimbed octopus, choke the life out of a political system, unless the majority truly mobilizes against them.

“To put it another way, says Fukuyama, America’s collection of minority special-interest groups is now bigger, more mobilized and richer than ever, while all the mechanisms to enforce the will of the majority are weaker than ever. The effect of this is either legislative paralysis or suboptimal, Rube Goldberg-esque, patched-together-compromises, often made in response to crises with no due diligence. That is our vetocracy.”

***

“There is a certain malaise lingering in the air, and I can think of at least two possible contributing factors.

“On one hand (and liberals are sure to agree here) there is a downside to ‘creative destruction.’ It is good, of course, that the automobile replaced the horse and buggy, but surely some Americans were hurt in the process. To be sure, it would have been silly for the nation not to adapt to modern technology, but that doesn’t mean some people weren’t left behind. Times of economic change and technological advancement are sure to create stress and dislocation. That’s part of what we’re going through today…

“As you might have guessed, I’m arguing that there is a politically underrepresented ‘populist’ constituency in America. Demographically, they are noncollege-educated whites. Philosophically, they are generally Christian conservatives who are also skeptical of big business. They are pro-gun and pro-union. They are pro-life and pro-tariff. They believe in God and government…

“So far, this group has not equaled electoral success. That might change, though, if times get even tougher.”

***

Via Gallup.


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Do what you gotta do, but I think the timing’s off for the formation a national third party

de rigueur on April 21, 2012 at 11:22 PM

2012 is a crucial election, the fate of young Americans and the future of America hang in the balance, we have to stop our crony political parties right now. I don’t know how old you are, but one of the problems is that older Americans are pretty comfortable and see no hurry. It’s not that that are going to be stuck holding the bag, so that makes sense. That’s why Romney has crowds of 50 or 100 people and Ron Paul has thousands.

Young people need change now, not in a decade or two. Then it will be too late.

FloatingRock on April 21, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Oh, good. You’re back. Now lock the door. Not only is the Chrch Lady still at it, but Tesla and joana are runnng around the Hatch thread. They’ll be headed this way. And I’ll ne headed for bed.

katy the mean old lady on April 21, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Go toss church lady a bone.

JPeterman on April 21, 2012 at 11:40 PM

katy the mean old lady on April 21, 2012 at 11:35 PM

LOL! Gonna take more then a locked door.

Bmore on April 21, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Obama, who won his vote in 2008

Only mistake worth mentioning here — all others derive from this one.

unclesmrgol on April 21, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Ed is generous and too charitable. Coolchange must have been obnoxious on Twitter. It didn’t help that s/he said that on a farewell post to Tina. My mom always told me, “If you don’t have anything nice to say, then be quiet.” I guess coolchange80 didn’t learn that life lesson. :) Too bad.

conservative pilgrim on April 21, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The exception being liberals, of course. ;)

kim roy on April 21, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Go toss church lady a bone.

JPeterman on April 21, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I’ll pass. Made my dealing with dingbats quota by noon today. Live and n person.

katy the mean old lady on April 21, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Oh, good. You’re back. Now lock the door. Not only is the Chrch Lady still at it, but Tesla and joana are runnng around the Hatch thread. They’ll be headed this way. And I’ll ne headed for bed.

katy the mean old lady on April 21, 2012 at 11:35 PM

joana is mainlining something…but Dr Tesla has all the meds working for the most part (or are they wearing off?)…at least earlier he was doing alright and making sense. He’s ok when he’s medicated right.

KOOLAID2 on April 21, 2012 at 11:43 PM

FloatingRock on April 21, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Ross Perot made a lot of sense to me when I was younger and more naive, so I voted for him. Want to know what that accomplished? And he wasn’t anywhere near as goofy as Herr Doctor on foreign policy.

a capella on April 21, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Seriously? There’s no language filter on twitter and he cursed here? Urf. Just as well.

kim roy on April 21, 2012 at 11:38 PM

There is a language filter on twitter..So he did not curse like he did on Hot Air..:)

Dire Straits on April 21, 2012 at 11:46 PM

It’s going to sound heartless, but it’s hard to feel sorry for someone who believed a con man and wants the “institutions” to protect him. Sounds like a typical liberal who wants fairy dust and happy words.

kim roy on April 21, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Yep. Especially since he did not look into the fact that his rates could go up. The press has been beating that horse since ARMs were set up decades ago. Do people really shell out that kind of money and obligation without checking out what they are signing?

AZfederalist on April 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Yeah, what I thought, too, when reading his remarks.

Though quite sad to read about his circumstances (not heartless as to his situation), the fellow sounded a tad too avoidant to his own responsibilities to be believable. Blaiming “institutions” for bad times goes only so far as specific issues are concerned, though I don’t discount that sometimes organizations follow along with similar and poor reactions to customers/individuals/complaints.

My one take from all that was that the guy acknowledged that he was an Obama voter but alludes to being now disillusioned, which is good. Perhaps, though, more blame ought to be placed on Obama and voting-Left and less on his own financial missteps. Live and learn, hopefully he’s learned or is learning.

Lourdes on April 21, 2012 at 11:47 PM

I think I’ll just stay right here and let AZ have fun. ; )

Bmore on April 21, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Anybody remember these guys? Jeff Beck anyone?

OkieDoc on April 21, 2012 at 11:39 PM

1965. I loved that year and the British invasion. Neighbors got a 1965 Impala ss—aqua blue with white interior. Can still remember the new car smell, Coors beer, whiskey, and cigarettes. Oh to be twelve again.

arnold ziffel on April 21, 2012 at 11:49 PM

I think Jefferson said that the republic would stand until ppl understood they could vote themselves largess from the public treasury …

conservative tarheel on April 21, 2012 at 10:58 PM

de Toqueville

AZfederalist on April 21, 2012 at 11:06 PM

None of those gentlemen ever said or wrote such a thing.

That quote is often attributed to Alexander Tytler and Benjamin Franklin as well.

In truth, it’s 70 years and its author was a National Association of Manufacturers president, H. W. Prentis.

joana on April 21, 2012 at 11:51 PM

For the folks on the Hatch thread.

Bmore on April 21, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Philosophically, they are generally Christian conservatives who are also skeptical of big business. They are pro-gun and pro-union. They are pro-life and pro-tariff. They believe in God and government…

I’m skeptical this group exists. Where did Matt Lewis find them? Christian conservatives are not usually pro-tariff and they don’t usually believe in government. I’ve never known any who were pro-union.

INC on April 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM

He probably found them at a Santorum Townhall.

Or pretty much everywhere in, say, West Virginia.

joana on April 21, 2012 at 11:54 PM

. Oh to be twelve again.

arnold ziffel on April 21, 2012 at 11:49 PM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on April 21, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Crony-labor, crony-capitalists and crony-government, all of them authoritarians that want to use the force of government to intrude in your own lives and business. They also happen to be the lions share of those that support the NDAA and other violations of our civil rights, such as forcing every citizen to purchase products from their cronies in the business world, such as the corrupt banks, GSE’s, insurance and healthcare companies, not to mention everything else.

Let’s give our old corrupt political parties the boot in 2012 and vote 3rd party. The time to beat them is now, not some ambiguous future in a Utopian fantasy land in which the very real problems that face our nation right now magically solve themselves. These problems get harder to solve with time, not easier. The bailouts and taxation-through-inflation isn’t the only problem. There is the insider trading in Congress and other forms of corruption as well. The earmarks they use to buy off corrupt congress-critters to pass bills that the American people don’t want, bills that force people to buy products from their corrupt corporate cronies and so forth.

It is all a corrupt game that has been the topic of conversations here at HotAir for years. Remember 2010? The tea party actually stood for something back then. Now it stands for pathetic budget proposals that don’t even balance in 30 years and debt ceiling increases and inflation.

FloatingRock on April 21, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Shooo
made it before the doors locked…..

angrymike on April 21, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Dire Straits on April 21, 2012 at 11:55 PM

It’s not nice to laugh at old(er) people…

Gohawgs on April 21, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Hey kids…

… time to spend some time with Little 7%.

If I don’t make it back…

… Good Night All!

:)

Seven Percent Solution on April 21, 2012 at 11:58 PM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on April 21, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Dire, what time zone are you in? If you don’t mind me asking. If you do just code it or don’t reply.

Bmore on April 21, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Good Night 7%, Good Night little 7% Sleep well you two.

Bmore on April 21, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Gohawgs on April 21, 2012 at 11:56 PM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:02 AM

I’ve never known any who were pro-union.

INC on April 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM

If memory serves me correctly, Catholics voted for Barry by 54-45 in ’08.

predator on April 21, 2012 at 11:09 PM

I am still reeling over that. And I attempted many an interaction in 07 and 08 with Obama campaigners who identified as Catholics or claimed to be in some sort of political agreement with “them” at that time…

The Catholic Voting Guide was dismissed and even outright condemned by most whenever I’d refer to it, people like “Father Pleager” (sp?) in Chicago were defended and criticisms were met with hostility when it came to support for Obama.

What I took from all that is/was that it was a cultural phenomenon of those who are, first and primarily, Democrats (political identity) and only secondary, “Catholics” or what I’d call “cultural catholics” (little ‘c’ in my view). They pushed if not demanded “social justice” IN THE POLITICAL SCHEME (which means, Obama’s Marxism) but rejected “social justice” as the Church describes it (which ISN’T the same thing as what Obama calls ‘social justice’ — not Marxist except in Obama’s rendition, also the Democratic Party’s, not the same thing or concept as the Church uses).

There are, I guess, some people who are catholics like Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Dick Durbin, etc., who are of the socio-political types and consider the catholic-association as mostly a cultural and ceremonial thing — it’s a cultural thing that the political Left compliments, similar to the “race” identification by some others.

But note that today Pope Benedict is being faithful to Christ and the Church and is going about addressing these wandering people and their socio-political groups (including some womens-religious groups) from a point of correction.

But the swing last election to support Obama remains one of the most egregious wanderings yet by those who were/are caught up in the whole DNC thing. I still cannot understand how ANYone can even be a Democrat and be a Catholic=Christian — these are simply in disagreement.

Lourdes on April 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Oh, good. You’re back. Now lock the door. Not only is the Chrch Lady still at it, but Tesla and joana are runnng around the Hatch thread. They’ll be headed this way. And I’ll ne headed for bed.

katy the mean old lady on April 21, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Tesla seems to be pretty on tonight, the meds seem to be working. My first first-hand exposure to joana. Let’s just say the meds aren’t working and probably never were working on that one.

For the folks on the Hatch thread.

Bmore on April 21, 2012 at 11:53 PM

:twisted: Yeah, I’m about full up on crazy over there.

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM

arnold ziffel on April 21, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Twelve! Yah, bout right.
That was the year we got a Hi-Fi (woohoo!) and I was in a garage band.
Good times.

OkieDoc on April 22, 2012 at 12:04 AM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on April 21, 2012 at 11:55 PM

lol. I love you Dire. My wife gets tired of my nonsense, so I have to go elsewhere to get a laugh.

PS that wasn’t very nice on the “Scarecrow Rain” clip. Throwing my peeps in the truck and taking them on a “ride”. Pigs are not just a piece of meat to be used and abused.

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:09 AM

but Dr Tesla has all the meds working for the most part (or are they wearing off?)…at least earlier he was doing alright and making sense. He’s ok when he’s medicated right.

KOOLAID2 on April 21, 2012 at 11:43 PM

I LIKE Dr. Tesla. He’s quirky.

Lourdes on April 22, 2012 at 12:09 AM

the NJ column is quite the leftist meme. Man is always chewed up and spit out in the Capitalist system. This will be barry’s main plank this year, with the help of the leftists in the media and all other institutions.

The subtext is obviously that Mitt is not qualified to be president. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth…a patrician.

The main job of the press will be to educate the working men and women that they need to vote in their economic interests…and against the interests of the corporate elites that control the levers of power (via for example Citizens United)

r keller on April 22, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Lourdes on April 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM

The northeast Kennedy-clan Catholics (and they are legion) created that gap, imo. West Coast to some degree also. We will see.

And as you mentioned, Chicago is a problem also, with the likes of Father Pfleger.

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Bmore on April 21, 2012 at 11:53 PM

hahaha
…you got me actin just like a loon, it must be long…

Crazy people
crazy people…

whawhawhawha

OkieDoc on April 22, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Bmore on April 21, 2012 at 11:59 PM

This is my QOTD song..Folks look at the Youtube hit count..O_O..O_O..O_O..:)

PS..I wonder how many free games of Pinball that would equate to..:)

PSS..281,416,000 plus..That is a masterpiece..Beautiful voice..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:11 AM

That was the year we got a Hi-Fi (woohoo!) and I was in a garage band.
Good times.

OkieDoc on April 22, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Did you have them gd blonde furniture pieces where many kids of that era bore scars on the noggin from a sharp edge encounter at one, two, or three?

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Philosophically, they are generally Christian conservatives who are also skeptical of big business. They are pro-gun and pro-union. They are pro-life and pro-tariff. They believe in God and government…
I’m skeptical this group exists. Where did Matt Lewis find them? Christian conservatives are not usually pro-tariff and they don’t usually believe in government. I’ve never known any who were pro-union.

INC on April 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM

He probably found them at a Santorum Townhall.

Or pretty much everywhere in, say, West Virginia.

joana on April 21, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Or even here, at Hotair.

How many people jumped on Santorum’s ship – in spite of his criminal record on fiscal, trade, entitlements and labor issues – only because he talked a lot about God and the crazy would go “herp derp he talks about God must be TruCon!”.

Matt Lewis is absolutely right. Socially conservative evangelicals who are economic populists (protectionists + pro-unions + pro spending) are a very large constituency. Basically the third of the GOP primary electorate that votes for proto-socialists like Huckabee and Santorum plus many yellow dogs in the South and the Rust Belt.

joana on April 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Crony-labor, crony-capitalists and crony-government,

They’re the reason we can’t reform our crappy schools. They’re the reason we don’t have a choice in 2012; the big-money is forcing us to chose between Obamacare or Romneycare. They’re engaging in shenanigans at the country caucuses; not just playing by the rules and insisting they are follow, as the Ron Paul, Santorum and Newt people have done. They’re the people who’ve racked up trillions of debt bailing themselves out for their own corruption without any consequences for any of themselves and sticking our children with the bill. They’re the ones that are printing trillions of dollars that is creating all of the inflation, which is likely to get much worse. Inflation is a tax that affects the wealthy the least.

The inflation, the debt, the crony capitalism, crappy schools and crony government all adds up to trillions of debt and no real choice in 2012.

That’s why it’s time to just wave buh bye and save ourselves from them.

FloatingRock on April 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Lourdes on April 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM

The northeast Kennedy-clan Catholics (and they are legion) created that gap, imo. West Coast to some degree also. We will see.

And as you mentioned, Chicago is a problem also, with the likes of Father Pfleger.

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:10 AM

One of the best qualities about Pope Benedict is his frankness and refusal to engage in the B.S. of the Kennedy-kind and more as you describe.

Don’t forget the Leftcoast ones, too. Unfortunately. There’s a great infringement and a lot of peer pressure by Leftwingers upon Catholics (in specific industries, especially, such as entertainment, media, education and worse, in healthcare) to function primarily as Leftists/Democrats and then to “just accommodate” one’s religious association as if it was a golf or lunch club. Those are the people who supported Obama but unfortunately most of them continue to define as Democrats. Is a problem.

Lourdes on April 22, 2012 at 12:15 AM

PSS..281,416,000 plus..That is a masterpiece..Beautiful voice..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Wow that is a remarkable amount of views. The Miss’s says its a favorite from her spin class. ; ) Great vocal.

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:17 AM

I LIKE Dr. Tesla. He’s quirky.

Lourdes on April 22, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Plus 1

angryed on April 22, 2012 at 12:18 AM

This is my QOTD song..Folks look at the Youtube hit count..O_O..O_O..O_O..:)
PS..I wonder how many free games of Pinball that would equate to..:)
PSS..281,416,000 plus..That is a masterpiece..Beautiful voice..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Good song but I have one question. why is that guy in the hallway doing that swordplay crap like on “Turning Japanese”?

PS, why are they breaking all the china up? Is this some sort of Sino-Japanese subtext?

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Great voice. Never heard her before. Were all the broken plates-broken promises, or empty ones from left overs? (She eat good.)

OkieDoc on April 22, 2012 at 12:19 AM

That’s why it’s time to just wave buh bye and save ourselves from them.

FloatingRock on April 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Whhaaaa? And take the chance that a Dem might win? /s

angryed on April 22, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Let’s give our old corrupt political parties the boot in 2012 and vote 3rd party. The time to beat them is now, not some ambiguous future in a Utopian fantasy land in which the very real problems that face our nation right now magically solve themselves.

FloatingRock on April 21, 2012 at 11:55 PM

What third party in existence do you imagine to be a game-changer?

By electing one man from a third party as President, how does that give the two dominant parties “the boot”? They’ll still make the laws and the budgets.

For all of his talk, Ron Paul hasn’t been part of the same system for the past 36 years? And after 3 runs for the Presidency (quarter of the way to beating Stassen’s record) he’s going to nail it on his fourth?

I think if you try this and you fail, and Obama is re-elected by just the margin of voters who may choose as you do, you’re out of time and opportunity to solve anything.

It’s a question of priorities. Defeat Obama in the only way he realistically CAN be defeated. There aren’t enough third party votes to do it. None historically, and no evidence you’ll have them in 6 months. Defeat Obama, and then build a third party to save the country, when you’re not spending every ounce of your energy to keep it from being totally destroyed within the next 4 years. What’s already in motion will do damage enough, we don’t him doing more.

de rigueur on April 22, 2012 at 12:20 AM

How many people jumped on Santorum’s ship – in spite of his criminal record on fiscal, trade, entitlements and labor issues – only because he talked a lot about God and the crazy would go “herp derp he talks about God must be TruCon!”.
joana on April 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Riiiiiight. Because Romney is the pillar of fiscal conservatism. Give me a f**g break.

angryed on April 22, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Inflation redistributes wealth from the poorest to the richest. It is the most insidious kind of tax and they raise it at will without a big brouhaha about “raising taxes” or “cutting spending”. It’s more or less under the table. Both parties support our inflationary monetary policies. Remember that when they engage in the dog and pony shows they always put on around election time. Nothing ever changes, the spending always goes up and the cronies always win.

It’s time for some real change.

FloatingRock on April 22, 2012 at 12:22 AM

None of those gentlemen ever said or wrote such a thing.

That quote is often attributed to Alexander Tytler and Benjamin Franklin as well.

In truth, it’s 70 years and its author was a National Association of Manufacturers president, H. W. Prentis.

joana on April 21, 2012 at 11:51 PM

OK, multiple links for that direct quote attributed to deToqueville, but no cite to any of his writings. Example

However, as to the “never said or wrote such a thing”, the following seems to sum up pretty much the same logical thought:

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

That is in de Tocqueville’s writings and the other statement is a near paraphrase of that attributed quote, particularly in a representative republic. The other attributed quote is simply the logical extension, the Congress bribes the public such that the public keeps voting them in to maintain that cycle of cash flow through the treasury.

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 12:22 AM

joana on April 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM

What’s cooking, sugar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dln3ifkCfXs

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Great voice. Never heard her before. Were all the broken plates-broken promises, or empty ones from left overs? (She eat good.)

OkieDoc on April 22, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Good one. Another deep thinker like moi. :)

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:24 AM

The Foodstamps President and The Great Hope ‘n Change.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2012 at 12:24 AM

PSS..281,416,000 plus..That is a masterpiece..Beautiful voice..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Wow that is a remarkable amount of views. The Miss’s says its a favorite from her spin class. ; ) Great vocal.

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Been listening to this tune for a long time now. Never posted it here because i figured with all the hits (228 million +, are you sheitting me?) that everybody had heard it.

What a voice.

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Yep, with 3 older bros I got bounced around on all kinds a sh!t. Still have the scars-physical and otherwise, whhhhaaaaaa

OkieDoc on April 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM

There is a language filter on twitter..So he did not curse like he did on Hot Air..:)

Dire Straits on April 21, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Really? It must not work for me. Read a tweet from someone I follow who had someone follow her whose avatar was an erect tallywacker. Maybe you’re just lucky. It seems anything goes on mine. :/

kim roy on April 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Great vocal.

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Excellent bluesy voice..Very strong..:)

PS..I haven’t heard one like it in a while..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM

I find the first comment under the vid to be ironic.

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:26 AM

PS..I haven’t heard one like it in a while..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM

They don’t come along often enough. ; )

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:26 AM

What a voice.

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Off the Charts!!..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:27 AM

“Something seems to be going terribly wrong.”

A culture of racist predators, carpet-bagging CEOs, gold-digging sluts, hedonists, atheists, anarchists, and sloths.

Jaibones on April 22, 2012 at 12:27 AM

By electing one man from a third party as President, how does that give the two dominant parties “the boot”? They’ll still make the laws and the budgets.

de rigueur on April 22, 2012 at 12:20 AM

The presidency matters. Obviously the chief executive has a lot of power, not least of which is the bully pulpit. Bottom up isn’t going to cut it on its own, though it is still important to do our best, but top down leadership heading the reform effort is required. An honest and plain spoken person like Ron Paul or another proven reformer can use the bully pulpit to compel Congress to go along with popular reforms or else organize the American people against them. People are demanding change, we need a president that will deliver.

FloatingRock on April 22, 2012 at 12:28 AM

I still cannot understand how ANYone can even be a Democrat and be a Catholic=Christian — these are simply in disagreement.

Lourdes on April 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM

+1,000. Terrific analysis.

My hubby and I say the same thing, that a person cannot in good conscience [to those to whom it still matters] be any kind of faithful Catholic and also be a Democrat.

I work with two guys who came of age in the 60s who are exactly of that mindset – Democrats first, and cultural small-c catholics a very distant second. Of course, one of the guys sees the chastisement from Pope Benedict to the errant nuns as the highest authority figure in the Catholic Church throwing his weight around, as if the nuns couldn’t have possibly done anything wrong by not adhering to the Magisterium and their mission.

These small-c catholics are cut from the same cloth as those whom I’ve heard Rush refer to on occasion – their religion is not the faith they were born into, their true religion is Liberalism.

PatriotGal2257 on April 22, 2012 at 12:29 AM

OK, multiple links for that direct quote attributed to deToqueville, but no cite to any of his writings. Example

However, as to the “never said or wrote such a thing”, the following seems to sum up pretty much the same logical thought:

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

That is in de Tocqueville’s writings and the other statement is a near paraphrase of that attributed quote, particularly in a representative republic. The other attributed quote is simply the logical extension, the Congress bribes the public such that the public keeps voting them in to maintain that cycle of cash flow through the treasury.

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 12:22 AM

I’ve actually read Tocqueville. He wasn’t the author of that sentence.

What’s exactly your point? That your misattribution was fake but accurate? Are you that butthurt for being corrected?

Lots of writers made the same overall point; even some Ancient Greeks. That formulation – which, for your future reference, is known as the “Tytler cycle” – was authored by Mr. Prentis, as it was explained to you.

joana on April 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM

The Foodstamps President and The Great Hope ‘n Change.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2012 at 12:24 AM

I see it mainly when I’m in the city. I had to run out one afternoon for something. The lady in front of me spent $400 on crab legs. Then I read they use those cards to do a resell business. At least I won’t have to worry about them starving when they lose that card. Burns my arse up to think of all the moochers out there on hardworking peoples dimes.

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:32 AM

They don’t come along often enough. ; )

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:26 AM

I like this one also. A remake of a Stevie Nicks tune.

And this gal too.

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Crony-labor, crony-capitalists and crony-government, all of them authoritarians that want to use the force of government to intrude in your own lives and business. They also happen to be the lions share of those that support the NDAA and other violations of our civil rights, such as forcing every citizen to purchase products from their cronies in the business world, such as the corrupt banks, GSE’s, insurance and healthcare companies, not to mention everything else.

Let’s give our old corrupt political parties the boot in 2012 and vote 3rd party. The time to beat them is now, not some ambiguous future in a Utopian fantasy land in which the very real problems that face our nation right now magically solve themselves. These problems get harder to solve with time, not easier. The bailouts and taxation-through-inflation isn’t the only problem. There is the insider trading in Congress and other forms of corruption as well. The earmarks they use to buy off corrupt congress-critters to pass bills that the American people don’t want, bills that force people to buy products from their corrupt corporate cronies and so forth.

It is all a corrupt game that has been the topic of conversations here at HotAir for years. Remember 2010? The tea party actually stood for something back then. Now it stands for pathetic budget proposals that don’t even balance in 30 years and debt ceiling increases and inflation.

FloatingRock on April 21, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Emphasis mine for response: I have to disagree. There’s been no time to adequately prep a third party to even remotely compete. While I understand your revulsion with the current two party system and who’s running it, there’s no viable third party at this time.

A viable third party is not a bad idea, but one that needs some serious work and effort to establish. No one is going to vote for that much of an unknown and I doubt someone charismatic enough to grab the attention of the average voter in an extremely short period of time is running.

I know you are a Ron Paul advocate and while RP has a lot of good qualities, he also has a lot of bad ones and he will never be president.

Your tenacity and commitment to both RP and cleaning up the political parties/third parties is admirable, but too late for this election.

Why not be practical and work for the next four years? Four years, given who is included – charismatic, smart, committed – could definitely give options.

kim roy on April 22, 2012 at 12:35 AM

A culture of racist predators

Jaibones on April 22, 2012 at 12:27 AM

HEY!

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:35 AM

We are so divided along ideology that if this was 200 years ago, we would be fighting in the streets.

We have evolved so that this battle has been transferred to campaign contributions and votes.

WisCon on April 22, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Blue Light Special on crazies and trolls. Aisle 8.

4Grace on April 22, 2012 at 12:37 AM

OK. Early tee time = time for bed. See y’all later. Hang in there.
We’ll win in the long run. It won’t be easy, but we’ll do it.

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:37 AM

This is my QOTD song..Folks look at the Youtube hit count..O_O..O_O..O_O..:)
PS..I wonder how many free games of Pinball that would equate to..:)
PSS..281,416,000 plus..That is a masterpiece..Beautiful voice..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:11 AM

I like these covers better:

Sidewinders

Los Vasquez

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 12:38 AM

…How many people jumped on Santorum’s ship – in spite of his criminal record on fiscal, trade, entitlements and labor issues – only because he talked a lot about God and the crazy would go “herp derp he talks about God must be TruCon!”…..
joana on April 22, 2012 at 12:14 AM

A few, no doubt.

Most, though ‘jumped, on Santorum’s ship’ simply because he was NOT Romney, (and not Gingrich) and even the most obnoxious of his supporters were nowhere near as obnoxious as you and the other Mittens Kittens around here.

LegendHasIt on April 22, 2012 at 12:40 AM

kim roy on April 22, 2012 at 12:35 AM

There is plenty of time for a third party, IMO. Regardless, I despise Obama/Romney, so while I’m not a libertarian and have many disagreements with them, at least they’re not crony-capitalist statists, maybe this is their year. I think you are underestimating the mood in this country. A lot of Republicans seem to have gone back to sleep after ’10. Most of them.

FloatingRock on April 22, 2012 at 12:41 AM

bug light is on, smoke em if ya got em…
nite

OkieDoc on April 22, 2012 at 12:43 AM

I like these covers better:

Sidewinders

Los Vasquez

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Wow. ¡Andale!

de rigueur on April 22, 2012 at 12:44 AM

I like these covers better:

Sidewinders

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 12:38 AM

very very good. Like the amateurs having a good time.

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Told ya.

katy the mean old lady on April 22, 2012 at 12:46 AM

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM

I agree..I knew it was popular..My daughter played it for me and I heard it on radio a few times..I knew it was good ..just not to that level..:)

PS..Please speak up when you hear those..I trust your judgement..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 12:47 AM

We have evolved so that this battle has been transferred to campaign contributions and votes.

WisCon on April 22, 2012 at 12:36 AM

I’m feeling kind of feisty myself. When the New Black Panthers, Van Jones, George Soros and Barry keep stirring up trouble, then lets roll the dice.

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Republicans seem to have gone back to sleep after ’10. Most of them.

FloatingRock on April 22, 2012 at 12:41 AM

No, some of us are biting our tongues and stowing away the time until we can be effective with what we’ve got left. And some of us remember voting for Perot 20 years ago, which gave us 8 years of Clinton.

de rigueur on April 22, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Lourdes on April 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM

+1,000. Terrific analysis.

My hubby and I say the same thing, that a person cannot in good conscience [to those to whom it still matters] be any kind of faithful Catholic and also be a Democrat.

I work with two guys who came of age in the 60s who are exactly of that mindset – Democrats first, and cultural small-c catholics a very distant second. Of course, one of the guys sees the chastisement from Pope Benedict to the errant nuns as the highest authority figure in the Catholic Church throwing his weight around, as if the nuns couldn’t have possibly done anything wrong by not adhering to the Magisterium and their mission.

These small-c catholics are cut from the same cloth as those whom I’ve heard Rush refer to on occasion – their religion is not the faith they were born into, their true religion is Liberalism.

PatriotGal2257 on April 22, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Thanks for the boost…

and, yes, agree with your take on these things, too. ” Their true religion is Liberalism.”

And the womens-religious that are being reprimanded (not sure that’s the appropriate word for what’s taking place, but it conveys the general situation)…

…due to issues of worldy, socialist, cultural and socio-political “views” being used as primary reasons to cohabitate vs. their spiritual/religious relationships with the Church and Christ through the Church. Feminism, “women’s rights,” “rights” of the “human” kind, these are all socio-political beliefs (mostly all “Liberalism”) and not aspects of what their purported order or cohabitational principle is. It’s way past time that the Vatican took steps to intercede where many of these orders are concerned, but especially now with the ongoing threat to Religious Liberty that the Obama Administration is engaged in, which they, these womens-religious orders of question, are responsible for supporting and electing.

Lourdes on April 22, 2012 at 12:49 AM

I like this one also. A remake of a Stevie Nicks tune.

And this gal too.

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:34 AM

I know why you like the first vid and my guess is it ain’t because its a Stevie Nicks song. ; )
The Miss’s says the second is another spin song. Which having never done a spin class I kinda find surprising.

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:50 AM

No, some of us are biting our tongues and stowing away the time until we can be effective with what we’ve got left. And some of us remember voting for Perot 20 years ago, which gave us 8 years of Clinton.

de rigueur on April 22, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Yeah well if there is a conservative/libertarian 3rd party there will only be one conservative in the race. If there is a Ross Perot, it will be Obama spoiling it for Romney or vice versa.

FloatingRock on April 22, 2012 at 12:50 AM

Good Night OkieDoc, Sleep Well.

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:53 AM

I’m feeling kind of feisty myself. When the New Black Panthers, Van Jones, George Soros and Barry keep stirring up trouble, then lets roll the dice.

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Nothing Can Change the Shape of Things to Come.

de rigueur on April 22, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Told ya.

katy the mean old lady on April 22, 2012 at 12:46 AM

Yes you did, but look at the upside. Its gonna confuse the heII out of the gilled one. ; )

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:54 AM

The entire land is turning into Starnesville.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2012 at 12:55 AM

I like this one also. A remake of a Stevie Nicks tune.

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:34 AM

I LIKED it. I watched it and it was more than a third through before I realized I had heard it many times before.

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Yes you did, but look at the upside. Its gonna confuse the heII out of the gilled one. ; )

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:54 AM

That was sort of the idea.

de rigueur on April 22, 2012 at 12:57 AM

The entire land is turning into Starnesville.

Schadenfreude on April 22, 2012 at 12:55 AM

You do realize that’s a tough reference for some. I happen to have a very nice hard copy.

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Its gonna confuse the heII out of the gilled one. ; )

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:54 AM

That’ll be a tough task

Gohawgs on April 22, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Now that Romney has supposedly wrapped the nomination up, (which isn’t true), the Romney voters aren’t going to turn out. All the not-Romney voters have to do to win is turn out and vote for their candidate, Paul, Santorum or Newt.

Let’s show the MSM that propaganda isn’t real!

/Spread the word

FloatingRock on April 22, 2012 at 1:00 AM

OK, multiple links for that direct quote attributed to deToqueville, but no cite to any of his writings.

However, as to the “never said or wrote such a thing”, the following seems to sum up pretty much the same logical thought:

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 12:22 AM

I’ve actually read Tocqueville. He wasn’t the author of that sentence.

What’s exactly your point? That your misattribution was fake but accurate? Are you that butthurt for being corrected?

Lots of writers made the same overall point; even some Ancient Greeks. That formulation – which, for your future reference, is known as the “Tytler cycle” – was authored by Mr. Prentis, as it was explained to you.

joana on April 22, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Good heavens, even when people grant you a point, you can’t be gracious. I stated above that the direct quote about voting themselves the treasury did not have a direct cite to any of his writings. However, the cite from Democracy in America states the same thought.

So what is your point, because someone quoted de Toqueville using a quote widely attributed to him, that the overall point is invalid? or that the person who cited de Toqueville is somehow deficient?

If you were a bit more gracious, people might actually take something you said at face value and let it go at that. Instead, even in small matters, you manage to come across as a pompous a$$

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 1:01 AM

The Miss’s says the second is another spin song. Which having never done a spin class I kinda find surprising.

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:50 AM

I had to look up “spinning”. I’d rather just get out of shape in the off season and then maybe try and get back in shape later—or not. Remember you have to pace yourself.

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 1:01 AM

You do realize that’s a tough reference for some. I happen to have a very nice hard copy.
Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 12:58 AM

I had a nice hard copy. Second edition. I still have it, but it isn’t nice anymore. Plumb worn out.

Now I buy paperback copies in bulk to pass out to anyone I meet who has the guts to actually read it.

LegendHasIt on April 22, 2012 at 1:02 AM

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 12:38 AM

+100..They are very good!..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 1:02 AM

“Something seems to be going terribly wrong.”

Tried prayer yet?

Cleombrotus on April 22, 2012 at 1:03 AM

arnold ziffel on April 22, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Yeah the Miss’s generally doesn’t think my pace is all that great. No not that. ; )

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Been listening to this tune for a long time now. Never posted it here because i figured with all the hits (228 million +, are you sheitting me?) that everybody had heard it.

What a voice.

predator on April 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Count me as one who’s heard this particular tune in the rotation of WYEP.org that I tune in on occasion. They are an NPR affiliate now — I refuse to listen to the newscasts and have never supported their pledge drives — but they weren’t always, and in the 40 or so years they’ve been on the air, they’ve played some very eclectic stuff that you couldn’t hear on any of the commercial stations. I do believe they were the first to introduce this song to the western PA market.

In the early 80s, this station was the only place to hear groups like Depeche Mode, the Clash, Joy Division, and the very early hip-hop groups such as the Sugarhill Gang, et. al. Toward the end of the decade, one of the commercial stations tried to piggyback with a “new wave” format for a brief year and a half, but it tanked spectacularly. It’s a never-ending source of amusement for me now that there’s still another commercial station who now plays the Clash, the Smiths, and so on … as oldies! … but wouldn’t touch them with a 20-foot pole when they were popular. LOL

PatriotGal2257 on April 22, 2012 at 1:05 AM

AZfederalist on April 22, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Thumbs up!!..:)

Dire Straits on April 22, 2012 at 1:06 AM

FloatingRock on April 22, 2012 at 1:00 AM
Have you not heard?
The bird is the word.

Rusty Allen on April 22, 2012 at 1:06 AM

That’ll be a tough task…

Gohawgs on April 22, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Not to mention she stops to look through all the short links. Man I love short links Lol! ; )

Bmore on April 22, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Pink Floyd – Comfortably Numb (at Live 8)

Towash on April 22, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Rusty Allen on April 22, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Heh…

Gohawgs on April 22, 2012 at 1:10 AM

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