Orrin Hatch fails to clinch GOP nomination in Utah — by 0.9%

posted at 4:21 pm on April 21, 2012 by Allahpundit

Weird rule out there: The delegates to the Utah GOP convention get first crack at choosing a nominee by voting on the candidates. If anyone gets 60 percent, he’s nominated. If no one gets 60 percent, the top two finishers go to a statewide primary. That’s how Bob Bennett was sunk two years ago, you might remember. Tea partiers filled the ranks of convention delegates and ensured that he couldn’t place higher than third; Mike Lee and Tim Bridgewater went on to the primary and you know how that turned out.

Hatch’s goal today was simple. To make sure that he’d at least make it out of the convention, he’s been working the delegate process for months — and has been so successful at it that, as of 10 days ago, an internal poll concluded that he had a very real chance of clinching the nomination by taking 60 percent. If he could pull that off, he’d avoid a primary and snuff any chance of a belated tea-party awakening on his challenger’s behalf. As of 2:30 p.m. ET, the votes are in. Hatch’s take: 59.1 percent. More from Dave Weigel:

The Tea Party movement is alive in Utah. With representatives from FreedomWorks in the audience, delegates at the Utah Republican Convention managed to force Sen. Orrin Hatch into a June 26 primary. He got 59.2 percent of their votes against Dan Liljenquist, a 38-year-old state senator. Hatch needed 60 percent to avoid the primary. He couldn’t do it. In two rounds of voting, he went from 2,243 votes to 2,313 votes. If he’d gotten 32 more votes, he would have wrapped this up

FreedomWorks and other Tea Party groups now have two Causes to distract them from their failure to replace Mitt Romney with some better candidate — the Senate races in Utah and Indiana.

Yeah, the last point is key. 59.1 percent sounds hopeless for Liljenquist if it’s an accurate reflection of Republican voters in Utah, but there’s bound to be a burst of tea-party enthusiasm for him now that he and Richard Mourdock are the last best chance to tilt the GOP further right at the federal level. Hatch did himself no favors either when he said this recently of his opponents on the right, FreedomWorks:

“These people are not conservatives. They’re not Republicans,” Hatch angrily responds. “They’re radical libertarians and I’m doggone offended by it.”

Then Hatch, a former boxer, turns combative. “I despise these people, and I’m not the guy you come in and dump on without getting punched in the mouth.”

Go read FreedomWorks VP Matt Kibbe for a response to that. If tea partiers didn’t have enough incentive already to pay attention to this race, they do now. There’s also some reason to believe that today’s delegates were actually more pro-Hatch than the general electorate: He and his team shrewdly maneuvered behind the scenes before the convention to make sure his people were well represented on the floor.

More than a year ago, Hatch’s campaign polled the 3,500 Republican delegates who voted Bennett out of office in May 2010.

Its discovery: Hatch had no chance of getting renominated, if those same 3,500 people voted.

“This is not going to be a campaign of persuading delegates,” Hatch’s campaign manager, Dave Hansen, said Thursday, recalling a conversation with the senator early last year. “This is going to be a campaign of replacing delegates.”

To survive, Hatch needed new delegates. The first step was to recruit supporters willing to run in the 2,000 precincts that select this year’s 4,000 delegates to Saturday’s convention. Then he had to round up supporters willing to attend caucus night to vote for the Hatch-backed delegates. The initial goal of getting 20,000 supporters out on a cold Thursday night was eventually upped to 35,000. The campaign staff of 25 used every possible list to speak with potential backers.

As recently as two months ago, Mike Lee’s chief of staff thought Hatch was destined to lose; instead he came within a hair’s breadth of winning without a primary. Give him credit for knowing the rules of the game and playing it well. And in fact, despite celebrations this afternoon by proud tea partiers like the boss emeritus about having forced him into a primary, Hatch is still in very good shape. According to Roll Call, he has a $3 million advantage over Liljenquist in cash on hand and, as you’ll see below, he also has the full support of the first Mormon presidential nominee in U.S. history. That can’t hurt in a state with the largest number of Mormon voters in America. Gonna be a mighty heavy lift to oust him.

In case you’re wondering, Hatch and Dick Lugar, who’s also seeking another six-year term, have spent a combined 70 years in the Senate. Exit question from Ace’s co-blogger rdbrewer: Did Hatch’s comments about despising “radical libertarians” alienate just enough delegates to prevent him from wrapping this thing up today?


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Way to go Utah Tea Party!

AZCoyote on April 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Orin Hatch should go…..

he’s a Career politician.

THAT alone should send him out the door.

PappyD61 on April 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Good. Let’s get better Senators where we can.

rbj on April 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM

I have a feeling that orrin is about to be tied for this outcome?

I hope that Dan wins and wins big time. No person needs to be in dc as long as orrin has been, or any other lifetime politicians.

But the voters are the ones who send them back time and time again. Lets hope the trend changes?
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letget on April 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Hatch and Lugar both are past their sell by date …
they need to go …

conservative tarheel on April 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM

But the tea pots have no influence anymore!

KOOLAID2 on April 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM

By Hatch’s standards, the Founding Fathers qualify for a punch in the snoot.

ebrown2 on April 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Hatch has caused a lot of harm to America, especially young Americans, he needs to be given the boot.

FloatingRock on April 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM

In case you’re wondering, Hatch and Dick Lugar, who’s also seeking another six-year term, have spent a combined 70 years in the Senate.

Seven decades……….let that sink in.

PappyD61 on April 21, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Hatch isn’t happy he has to earn the votes — which is why I am happy that he does!

Rational Thought on April 21, 2012 at 4:30 PM

If Hatch and Lugar are defeated, and we get a decent haul in Senate races this year, we could get closer to getting someone younger and more conservative as majority leader.

Bluray on April 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Rational Thought on April 21, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Good Point..:)

Dire Straits on April 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM

O.T.: Chuck Colson dead.

Curtiss on April 21, 2012 at 4:34 PM

So much for wanting to punch people like me in the mouth.
A$$.

bazil9 on April 21, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Cuz I’m so radical, baby.

bazil9 on April 21, 2012 at 4:34 PM

What did Orrin hatch do again that has people pissed off at him? We are taking money we should be using to attack liberals in Nov, and wasting it on a circular firing squad.

What the hell is wrong with so-called true conservatives?

Chudi on April 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Rubes! Plebians!

SouthernGent on April 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Is Utah an open primary? If it is, Hatch is about to go Lisa Mur-COW-ski on that state’s ass and try to ride to victory with democrat votes. He’ll be camping out at an OWS camp before it’s all over.

Rational Thought on April 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM

In case you’re wondering, Hatch and Dick Lugar, who’s also seeking another six-year term, have spent a combined 70 years in the Senate.

The swamp can’t be drained if we don’t snake the pipes :)

Dr Evil on April 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM

My wife worked on Senator Hatch’s staff at one point. He convinced her she was a Democrat (seriously).

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM

He blessed Kagan

ultracon on April 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM

I don’t live in Utah, but I’m sending whatever I can to help Liljenquist evict that fossil from office. MM’s site has a refresher course on why he has to go. I had forgotten that he defended Holder’s nomination, along with some other apostasies.

TxAnn56 on April 21, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Seven decades……….let that sink in.

PappyD61 on April 21, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Uh Huh.

IMO…GOP needs new fresh blood.

Not career poli’s. Who then deride us.
Buh Bye.

bazil9 on April 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM

What did Orrin hatch do again that has people pissed off at him? We are taking money we should be using to attack liberals in Nov, and wasting it on a circular firing squad.

What the hell is wrong with so-called true conservatives?

Chudi on April 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Hyperbole. It’s Utah, not Nevada, not Delaware, it’s Utah.

Utah voters are not going to vote for Romney but not vote for the GOP nominee for Senate.

Bluray on April 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Well ppl we want the right kind of change, right? Dig deep in your pockets to get these two career politicians out of office. Hatch and Luger have got to go……..

angrymike on April 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Now the journey begins to rid the United States Senate of Orin Hatch. Him pretending to be a conservative the last couple years have fooled no one.

Conservative4Ever on April 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Orrin’s going to get flushed down the Hatch.

/Who names their child Orin? Orrin?

REALLY?

Key West Reader on April 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

What did Orrin hatch do again that has people pissed off at him? We are taking money we should be using to attack liberals in Nov, and wasting it on a circular firing squad.

What the hell is wrong with so-called true conservatives?

Chudi on April 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

I’m not too sure. Bob Bennett was a disaster and deserved to go. Mike Lee is a substantially better Senator. All I know about Orrin Hatch is that he’s good on judges. He’s even a founding member of the Federalist Society.

The more interesting race, I think, is the Lugar race in Indiana. Lugar really has gone RINO and it sounds like this Mourdock guy is a dead-serious candidate who stands a very good chance of defeating him.

Outlander on April 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Dr Evil on April 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM

haha Dr. I like that.

Snake the pipes!

bazil9 on April 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

I saw Hatch on Greta last night and he was really po’ed at Dick Armey’s group, The Tea Party Express.

Mirimichi on April 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

There’s also some reason to believe that today’s delegates were actually more pro-Hatch than the general electorate: He and his team shrewdly maneuvered behind the scenes before the convention to make sure his people were well represented on the floor.

Much reason to believe that. Hatch, with all the advantages and resources of a veteran incumbent couldn’t close the deal at the convention. Now it is a horse race.

novaculus on April 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM

What the hell is wrong with so-called true conservatives?

Chudi on April 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

We don’t like RINO’s.

Is that clear?

Key West Reader on April 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM

If Hatch and Lugar are defeated …

We might just end up handing both seats to the Democrats.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

To survive, Hatch needed new delegates. The first step was to recruit supporters willing to run in the 2,000 precincts that select this year’s 4,000 delegates to Saturday’s convention. Then he had to round up supporters willing to attend caucus night to vote for the Hatch-backed delegates. The initial goal of getting 20,000 supporters out on a cold Thursday night was eventually upped to 35,000. The campaign staff of 25 used every possible list to speak with potential backers.

Brilliant strategy, but can’t find a dollar to cut from the US federal budget. Wait…I think I just answered my own snark.

He was strategering to stay in office instead of doing the job his office requires.

There’s a term for that……uh….asshole comes to mind..no, career politician. Thats it. Then again, whats the difference.

BobMbx on April 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

These two must not be allowed back in the Senate. It’s disgusting that they’re both still running.

aryeung on April 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

I saw Hatch on Greta last night and he was really po’ed at Dick Armey’s group, The Tea Party Express.

Mirimichi on April 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Armey heads up Freedom Works.

They tried really hard to take over the Tea Party but they couldn’t. They are an ally, but not part of us.

Key West Reader on April 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Mirimichi on April 21, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Cuz we are radical! lol

He also said he wants to much libertarians in the mouth. Fool.

bazil9 on April 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

We might just end up handing both seats to the Democrats.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Why would Republican voters in Red States vote for a Democrat?

Bluray on April 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

What the hell is wrong with so-called true conservatives?

Chudi on April 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

They tend to be RINOs … you know … “conservative first, Republican second”. They are actually in many cases conservative DEMOCRATS who are out to do damage to the Republican nominee.

The “true conservatives” aren’t Republicans and do a lot of damage or often TRY to do a lot of damage to Republican candidates and campaigns.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

punch*

bazil9 on April 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM

do a lot of damage or often TRY to do a lot of damage to Republican candidates and campaigns.

For example, by knocking out established Republican candidates and giving the seats to the Democrat challenger. Don’t be fooled by people pretending to be “conservatives” who are actually working for the other team.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:46 PM

They tend to be RINOs … you know … “conservative first, Republican second”. They are actually in many cases conservative DEMOCRATS who are out to do damage to the Republican nominee.

The “true conservatives” aren’t Republicans and do a lot of damage or often TRY to do a lot of damage to Republican candidates and campaigns.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Why is the Party more important than the ideology or philosophy behind it?

Bluray on April 21, 2012 at 4:47 PM

The “true conservatives” aren’t Republicans and do a lot of damage or often TRY to do a lot of damage to Republican candidates and campaigns.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Party over policy is your philosophy?

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Did Hatch’s comments about despising “radical libertarians” alienate just enough delegates to prevent him from wrapping this thing up today?

I think that had a mild impact. (If you fail by 34 votes, a mild impact is all it takes.) But honestly, I think what was really going on here is, to turn Hatch’s own words around, he’s not a conservative, he’s a Republican. Therein lies the rub. He’s been in the Senate for, well, let me put it this way: I was too young to vote for Orrin Hatch in his first campaign, and I’m 50 years old. I respect Hatch personally. I think he is a good man and I admire his work ethic, intellect and integrity. But he’s always a lot more conservative in an election year than the year after, and he’s been there too long. Give someone else a chance. I hope he fails this time, but that sentiment is not personal. It’s just time to go.

rogaineguy on April 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

The Tea Party went after Bennett and Hatch, but not Romney. I don’t get it.

29Victor on April 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Is that dingy harry, in the picture with his nose in the air, with orrin? He doesn’t look happy?
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letget on April 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Off topic but breaking……

Something good that came from the scandals of a fallen politician nearly 40 years ago.

http://chuckcolson.org/

PappyD61 on April 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

For example, by knocking out established Republican candidates and giving the seats to the Democrat challenger. Don’t be fooled by people pretending to be “conservatives” who are actually working for the other team.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Right-O. I’m not fooled by you.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Utah voters are not going to vote for Romney but not vote for the GOP nominee for Senate.

Bluray on April 21, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Probably true. Strange time we’re living in. Always trust Republicans to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

29Victor on April 21, 2012 at 4:49 PM

If Hatch and Lugar are defeated …
We might just end up handing both seats to the Democrats.
crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Which in, in light of McCain, doesn’t sound as foreboding.

aryeung on April 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Right-O. I’m not fooled by you.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 4:49 PM

“Conservatives” handed the Democrats two Senate seats last cycle. Looks like they are on track to possibly hand the Democrats two more.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

They tried really hard to take over the Tea Party but they couldn’t. They are an ally, but not part of us.

Key West Reader on April 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

OK, my mistake. Thanks for the info.

Mirimichi on April 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

We might just end up handing both seats to the Democrats.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Not likely. Utah is a deep-red state, and it’s unlikely that the Democrats have a strong challenger lined up. Indiana will be tougher, but Lugar’s challenger (Mourdock) has won state-wide office before and will have a lot of wind at his back coming out of the primary.

Outlander on April 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

What the hell is wrong with so-called true conservatives?

Chudi on April 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

We don’t like RINO’s.

Is that clear?

Key West Reader on April 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM

I don’t know what a “so-called true conservative” is. Presumably Chudi, like KingGold, thinks that he is the true conservative.

Regardless. The people that Chidu is referring to, I’m sure, are the people that don’t like big government and statism, whether implemented by Republicans or Democrats. Chudi and crosspatch and their ilk don’t care about such things. They only care that the goodies being handed out by the gov’t are handed out by their guy so that they can get theirs at the tough. They want their trinkets, the country be damned.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I don’t think Hatch is so bad he needs to to be burned to the ground, but all these pols need a strong lesson on just who they work for. Wish there was something comparable on the Dem side, but brain dead doesn’t allow for basic logic. As for Lugar, …see ya!

SMACKRUNNER on April 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM

In spite of the wet dreams of dingy-harry reid and the socialist media, the Tea Party is alive and well and continuing to do great things for America.

All patriots should support Dan Liljenquist to be the next Senator from Utah.

Now, it’s on to Indiana and the replacement of lugar – who doesn’t even live in the state and cannot even vote there ! – with a real conservative and actual representative of the people of Indiana.

TeaPartyNation on April 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM

“Conservatives” handed the Democrats two Senate seats last cycle. Looks like they are on track to possibly hand the Democrats two more.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

So by what percentage does Obama win Utah and Indiana?

Bluray on April 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM

“Conservatives” handed the Democrats two Senate seats last cycle. Looks like they are on track to possibly hand the Democrats two more.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:51 PM

How many House and Senate seats did they hand to the GOP in 2010?

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Young conservatives are needed in congressional leadership positions. I don’t dislike Orrin Hatch, but ifntheir is place we CAN go bat sh1t crazy conservative without worrying about democrats it is in Utah. Your time has passed Orrin. The more you fight it the the more you fuel the conservative revolut!on!

By the way, I am a Mark Levin fan, but I do not get his support of Hatch??

Meat Fighter on April 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

We might just end up handing both seats to the Democrats.

crosspatch on April 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

And, every time a team takes the field it can lose. So, is it better off hiding in the dressing room?

Everything went fine when Bob Bennett was ousted in Utah two years ago. Scott Brown is fine for a state like Masachusetts, where we cannot do better. But, in states like Utah and Indiana we can do far better (particularly with Lugar, who moves farther left every time he is re-elected).

Republicans who are afraid of their own shadow are the reason we end up with Dick Lugars.

bw222 on April 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM

I don’t think Hatch is so bad he needs to to be burned to the ground, but all these pols need a strong lesson on just who they work for. Wish there was something comparable on the Dem side, but brain dead doesn’t allow for basic logic. As for Lugar, …see ya!
SMACKRUNNER on April 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM

What are the odds that either man dies in office of natural causes if reelected?

aryeung on April 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM

…but if there is a place we CAN….

Darn IPad!!

Meat Fighter on April 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM

You “reach across the aisle” to the Scoop Jackson’s and Sam Nunn that are no more in the Democratic Party…You keep your hands to yourself for the Harry Reid’s and Nancy Pelosi
…the Kagan thing and more show that the old dog, lets himself be eaten up by a party… where there are no longer blue dogs!

KOOLAID2 on April 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

By the way, I am a Mark Levin fan, but I do not get his support of Hatch??

Meat Fighter on April 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

I like Mark, but he can be very stuborn and is sometimes closed-minded. He also staunchly defends his “friend” Ann Coulter when she goes off the tracks, which seems to be happening with greater frequency.

bw222 on April 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

To all the whiners crying about handing these contsted primaries seats over to Dems…

Don’t waste your tears.

This election is not like any other election. For 3 years the American people Dem a Rep, have witnessed first hand what a radical socialism really is. In your face, marxism. It’s a disaster only because it was forced down our throats quickly and the results are profound and undeniable.

This fight will be won or lost by conservatives but the seats won’t be going blue for a long long time.

katy on April 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

What’s the difference b/t Hatch and Paul Ryan on TARP and bad votes on fiscal issues? Conservatives seem to worship Paul Ryan but his voting record is as bad as Hatch’s on fiscal issues.

Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

… Ann Coulter when she goes off the tracks, which seems to be happening with greater frequency.

bw222 on April 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Probably permanently derailed at this point.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM

What’s the difference b/t Hatch and Paul Ryan on TARP and bad votes on fiscal issues? Conservatives seem to worship Paul Ryan but his voting record is as bad as Hatch’s on fiscal issues.
Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Perhaps Utah libertarians just, really, dislike Hatch.

aryeung on April 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM

What’s the difference b/t Hatch and Paul Ryan on TARP and bad votes on fiscal issues? Conservatives seem to worship Paul Ryan but his voting record is as bad as Hatch’s on fiscal issues.

Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Ryan appears to, or at least pretends to, be in tune with people’s concern about deficit spending (even though his budget doesn’t seem to do anything about the entitlement problem). Hatch appears to be still trying to get more out of the cookie jar.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I don’t know how Ann Coulter recovers from that silly defense of RomneyCare. I think most conservatives think big government at the state level is still big government.

Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

The ” Conservatives ” who handed over the 2 senate seats, would that include Karl Tokyo Rove and his ilk? The guys in our elite who couldn’t be bothered directing a little support and know how, but instead stabbed the nominee’s in the back?

SMACKRUNNER on April 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM

To all the whiners crying about handing these contsted primaries seats over to Dems…

Don’t waste your tears.

katy on April 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM

How far to the right would a conservative have to be to have a serious chance of losing a Senate race to a Democrat in Utah? I mean. Really. Even on the bad candidate scale, the candidate would have to be really bad. Even a God awful candidate like COD could probably win against a Dem in Utah.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Ryan appears to, or at least pretends to, be in tune with people’s concern about deficit spending (even though his budget doesn’t seem to do anything about the entitlement problem). Hatch appears to be still trying to get more out of the cookie jar.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Well I think it’s more the fact a lot of conservatives have not looked at Paul Ryan’s voting record on fiscal issues.

Malkin’s one of the few that I’ve seen criticize Paul Ryan and she’s consistent in criticizing both him and Hatch.

I can’t see Hatch losing b/c outside of Malkin, I haven’t seen any other big name conservatives gunning for him. Rush has never talked about Hatch that I can recall, and I think Levin has defended him. They were tough on Mike Castle and I think that was part of the reason Castle got destroyed in that primary.

Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Doggoneit, I hope you lose, Hatch!

AshleyTKing on April 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM

OT a little bit. This is about the colors of reps and dems. Shouldn’t the dems be red and the reps be blue? I thought that these colors were exchanged every so often and it is way past time for the colors to switch again. Besides, the color red is better suited for the dems.

Mirimichi on April 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Mark Levin defended Ann Coulter? He sliced and diced her on that RomneyCare columns she wrote.

Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM

i’m always appalled at the contempt that these aristocratic pols have for their constituents. Like Castle in DE and others, they sincerely believe that they are entitled to a life-time job of talking.

Hatch’s comment wrt ‘radical libertarians’ is enough to boot him out.

But in UT the R party is strong. What bothers me about Lugar is that can Rs beat the leftist candidate..in IN?

r keller on April 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM

I don’t know how Ann Coulter recovers from that silly defense of RomneyCare. I think most conservatives think big government at the state level is still big government.

Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

That’s how I feel about the Romney supporters on this site now. They’ve gone Full Ann Coulter. We can’t even mention the fact that Romney is a big government statist anymore or we, as Orrin Hatch might say, need to be punched in the mouth.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

It’s always disappointing to see that Hatch was pals with a guy like Ted Kennedy and other hard left Democrats.

Congress seems like a frat sometimes, the Republicans need to stop socializing with the Democrats after work. They end up caring more about their buddies in DC than what the people who voted for them care about.

Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

OT a little bit. This is about the colors of reps and dems. Shouldn’t the dems be red and the reps be blue? I thought that these colors were exchanged every so often and it is way past time for the colors to switch again. Besides, the color red is better suited for the dems.

Mirimichi on April 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM

i actually heard one of the network people say that they couldn’t use Red for the Dems…because, well….you know, it is the colors of the communists….and well, we certainly wouldn’t want THAT

r keller on April 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

i actually heard one of the network people say that they couldn’t use Red for the Dems…because, well….you know, it is the colors of the communists….and well, we certainly wouldn’t want THAT

r keller on April 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

We could bring back “better dead, than red.” Which is what my name means … So I use it anyway.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 5:14 PM

That’s ow I feel about the Romney supporters on this site now. They’ve gone Full Ann Coulter. We can’t even mention the fact that Romney is a big government statist anymore or we, as Orrin Hatch might say, need to be punched in the mouth.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Well, I don’t have a problem with Hatch’s punched in th e mouth comment. He’s a guy showing some competitive spirit. Apparently he used to box. I think it’s a harmless figure of speech.

I don’t think he was as bad as Mike Castle or McCain and others, but he probably does need to retire at this point. He needs to loosen up that tie a little bit too, he has this skinny noodle neck look to him.

Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM

We need to go back to the original Constitution, and have state legislatures pick the senators for their state.

Popular election of senators is a progressive idea, and it’s only worked to further their agenda.

Rebar on April 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM

“These people are not conservatives. They’re not Republicans,” Hatch angrily responds. “They’re radical libertarians and I’m doggone offended by it.”

Then Hatch, a former boxer, turns combative. “I despise these people, and I’m not the guy you come in and dump on without getting punched in the mouth.”

Way to go, Orifice. Had you not crossed the aisle on too many key issues, you wouldn’t be in this pickle. You, my friend are the one whose conservative credentials are in question, not Tea Partiers, who come from various political persuasions but for the most part ARE conservatives first and foremost.

Bugger yourself, Mr. Appeasement.

hillbillyjim on April 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

“In case you’re wondering, Hatch and Dick Lugar, who’s also seeking another six-year term, have spent a combined 70 years in the Senate.”

In all of that time…

… is their one agency, one bureaucrat, or one spending bill that they fought tooth and nail to eliminate?

I mean a true filibuster, put their political career on the line for the citizens of this Country against the political elite ruling class machine to make a difference and actually cut the size of government…?

… Or have they seen themselves as members of an elite private club, where there a polite rules, and some things just should not be done because one day your party might not be in power and you still want to get invited to the cocktail parties in the Hampton’s?

This Country is fast approaching +$16 Trillion dollars in debt…

… That means that our children’s children’s future has already been spent, wasted, and flushed down a toilet.

There are rules in the Senate that Hatch could of used to stop or slow down the spending, but he didn’t…

I think it is time that he pay his portion of the bill…

Seven Percent Solution on April 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

I think the diffreneces we have are between those who are primarily Republicans and those who are primarily conservatives.

Republicans goal is to get any Republican to win, even if it’s Dede Scozzafava, who was more liberal than her Democratic opponent. Conservatives are more interested in reducing the size and scope of government and if we lose the seat of a Republican that often “reaches across the aisle,” so be it.

bw222 on April 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

That’s how I feel about the Romney supporters on this site now. They’ve gone Full Ann Coulter. We can’t even mention the fact that Romney is a big government statist anymore or we, as Orrin Hatch might say, need to be punched in the mouth.

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

This is why Romney can’t get above the buoy line.

He’s going to have to take a position and stick with it. Personally, my hope is that as he’s grown older and wiser he has grown more conservative. As have most of us.

If we elect him and he goes full metal RINO, then it’s over.

Romney needs to declare.

Key West Reader on April 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM

You “reach across the aisle” to the Scoop Jackson’s and Sam Nunn that are no more in the Democratic Party…You keep your hands to yourself for the Harry Reid’s and Nancy Pelosi
…the Kagan thing and more show that the old dog, lets himself be eaten up by a party… where there are no longer blue dogs!

KOOLAID2 on April 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Even deConcini and Stennis were decent enough fellows. Hatch’s embrace of Ted Kennedy and OK on Holder were two bitter pills.

arnold ziffel on April 21, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Hatch angrily responds. “They’re radical libertarians and I’m doggone offended by it.”

Obama: Who let the dog out?!

ReagansRight on April 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

What the hell is wrong with so-called true conservatives?

Chudi on April 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

We don’t like RINO’s.

Is that clear?

Key West Reader on April 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM

The Tea Party doesn’t have a clue, not to mention any form of meaningful intellectual foundation or coherent policy framework. It will promote the usual mental lightweights and rhetorical windbags that are incapable of actually crafting and passing legislation in a democracy. Remember the geniuses on the GOP side that blocked Boehner’s ‘grant bargain’ to finally cut entitlement spending with Obama? That’s the only form of ‘accomplishment’ that you can expect from Hatch’s likely replacement. Delivering bills that can pass both chambers of Congress in a democracy? Never.

But don’t worry.. if the US collapses into a right-wing dictatorship where compromise no longer plays the role envisioned by our founding fathers, then the Tea Party will do an excellent job.

In spite of the wet dreams of dingy-harry reid and the socialist media, the Tea Party is alive and well and continuing to do great things for America.

Really… and what things are you referring to?

bayam on April 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

By the way, I am a Mark Levin fan, but I do not get his support of Hatch??

Meat Fighter on April 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

I think it’s because Hatch was mainly responsible for getting Clarence Thomas to SCOTUS.

TxAnn56 on April 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Romney is a lot like Princess Nancy’s logic for passing ObamaCare to know what’s in it. We will have to elect him to know what we are getting and hope he is the complete opposite of what he was as gov. of Mass. There’s nothing in Romney’s political record that suggests he will be the man on full repeal of ObamaCare or the man on immigration, yet Ann Coulter is telling us he’s the man on those two issues. It’s a little weird.

Dr. Tesla on April 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

OT a little bit. This is about the colors of reps and dems. Shouldn’t the dems be red and the reps be blue? I thought that these colors were exchanged every so often and it is way past time for the colors to switch again. Besides, the color red is better suited for the dems.

Mirimichi on April 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM
i actually heard one of the network people say that they couldn’t use Red for the Dems…because, well….you know, it is the colors of the communists….and well, we certainly wouldn’t want THAT

r keller on April 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

The networks used to switch back and forth with each presidential election. Then in 2000 or 2004 (can’t remember which), the colors began to represent political viewpoints, and they’ve stuck with those colors (red – GOP, blue-Dem) ever since.

Wethal on April 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

There are rules in the Senate that Hatch could of used to stop or slow down the spending, but he didn’t…

I think it is time that he pay his portion of the bill…

Seven Percent Solution on April 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

As usual you make a great point. As far back as the 90′s I remember reading an article about Hatch that basically stated he was a decent man but never used the power he had from seniority to fight.
Yet he and McCain sure talk tough when it comes to “punching” us.

arnold ziffel on April 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

bayam on April 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I love it when you get so mental. It reminds me of my blind peekapoo. He bumps into walls and other chit.

Key West Reader on April 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Orrin’s going to get flushed down the Hatch.

/Who names their child Orin? Orrin?

REALLY?

He is named after Orrin Porter Rockwell who was Joseph Smith bodyguard and Brigham Young’s hitman/sheriff. The called him the destroying angel.

rushlimbang on April 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM

What did Orrin hatch do again that has people pissed off at him? We are taking money we should be using to attack liberals in Nov, and wasting it on a circular firing squad.

What the hell is wrong with so-called true conservatives?

Chudi on April 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

He voted to approve Cass Sunstein, nudge nudge

Rio Linda Refugee on April 21, 2012 at 5:26 PM

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