Something to celebrate: Partial-birth abortion ban has stopped 11,000 abortions

posted at 3:06 pm on April 20, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Remember when Congress debated the partial-birth abortion ban and abortion advocates insisted that the procedure was necessary for women’s health? Remember when they challenged the constitutionality of the law in Gonzalez v. Carhart? The Supreme Court held that the law is constitutional even without a specific non-life-endangering health exception (the law already offered a life-endangerment exception). Five years later, no specific, personal stories have emerged of women whose health has been negatively impacted by the unavailability of the partial-birth abortion procedure — but more than 11,000 lives have been saved. Alliance Defense Fund attorney Casey Mattox reports:

The Court didn’t have to decide that a health exception was always unnecessary as a factual matter, deferring to Congress’s judgment on the matter. It simply refused to declare the whole law unconstitutional because of the theoretical possibility that a woman might need an abortion for a non-life-threatening health reason. But importantly, the Court held that abortionists could bring future challenges to the law on behalf of actual women who needed a partial-birth abortion for true health reasons.

Hours after the decision, Planned Parenthood was still warning of its imminent negative impact on women’s health. The battle seemingly joined, Justice Ginsburg’s dissenting opinion, citing the ACOG/Kagan language, specifically invited as-applied challenges on behalf of the alleged thousands of women who needed the partial-birth abortion procedure for health reasons: “One may anticipate that such a preenforcement challenge will be mounted swiftly, to ward off serious, sometimes irremediable harm, to women whose health would be endangered by the intact D&E prohibition.”

Over five years later, Justice Ginsburg and the nation still wait. Although women’s health was allegedly immediately harmed by the decision, we have not yet seen an as-applied challenge on behalf of one of these women, nor have we seen even one documented story of a woman whose health was impacted by the unavailability of a partial-birth abortion. If we accept Guttmacher’s figure of approximately 2,200 partial-birth abortions per year, then the decision in Gonzales – upholding the law and lifting the injunction against it – has prevented 11,000 partial-birth abortions from occurring.

Pro-life activists understand that the abortion battle is, first and foremost, a battle for the hearts and minds of pregnant women — and also a battle for the hearts and minds of women who could become pregnant. While change is effected on a case-by-case, person-to-person basis, though, it’s important not to forget that legal measures do make a significant difference. Roe v. Wade might not be overturned in my lifetime or in the lifetimes of my future children, but that’s not a reason to not fight for it or for the partial measures — like the ban on partial-birth abortion — that quite literally save lives.


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Shocker!

KOOLAID2 on April 20, 2012 at 3:10 PM

11,000 lives!…Nancy Pelosi is in mourning

KOOLAID2 on April 20, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Thanks so much for your ongoing coverage of this issue, Tina, and for leaving us with a bit of hope and a little good news.

pianomomma on April 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM

It’s always fun to watch Planned Parenthood eat crow.

Bitter Clinger on April 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM

They might become Republicans!

KOOLAID2 on April 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM

I’ll miss you Tina. Thankful not to miss 11,000 of us. ; )

Bmore on April 20, 2012 at 3:13 PM

They might become Republicans!

KOOLAID2 on April 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM

That’s the pro-choice crowd’s greatest fear.

Bitter Clinger on April 20, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Nathor hardiest hit.

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Well, we know by now that for some lefties, being out of the womb doesnt mean that you cant be aborted anyway.

Valkyriepundit on April 20, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Beautiful!

thebrokenrattle on April 20, 2012 at 3:15 PM

GOP should track down every one of them and tell them how they came to be. And how close they almost came to not being.

platypus on April 20, 2012 at 3:16 PM

11,000 lives created AND saved.

Somehow Obama will take credit for it.

SnowSun on April 20, 2012 at 3:16 PM

OT – Zimmerman granted bail.

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

I imagine that in the words of President Obama, many on the left are/will claim that those women were then “punished with a baby”.

Logus on April 20, 2012 at 3:18 PM

OT – Zimmerman granted bail.
Schadenfreude on April 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Sharpton’s head explodes in 3..2..1..

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:19 PM

That’s the pro-choice crowd’s greatest fear.

Bitter Clinger on April 20, 2012 at 3:13 PM

You have to remember that the US has a slow-growing population base. But in some parts of the world, including the Middle East, population growth has been on fire and I’m less excited about counting “saved lives” as the result of any abortion ban. It’s not that I don’t celebrate the life of little Mohammad and his future- it’s that in some countries growing populations threat basic quality of life standards and that introduces all kinds of threats to regional stability and security.

bayam on April 20, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Obama wants abortion to be safe and rare, and dogs to be safe and medium-rare.

(cool that works for two different threads)

The Rogue Tomato on April 20, 2012 at 3:21 PM

This will disappoint Michelle Obama who, in 2004, sent out fundraising letters to so her and Barack could fight to keep partial-birth abortions legal. I guess that’s one way from keeping kids from getting obese; shove a pair of scissors into their brains.

Michelle Obama’s partial birth abortion fundraising letter

Crusty on April 20, 2012 at 3:22 PM

A few years ago I read a detailed description of what a partial-birth abortion procedure actually is. I was beyond shocked and disgusted. I had no idea. It forever changed my view of the Progressives and Democrats that advocate for such things.

visions on April 20, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

And no evidence nor did his defense claim a broken nose.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:23 PM

My biggest prayer here is that these abortion minded women who were stopped from killing their children will realize that their child is a gift to be treasured and if they can’t do that, that they consider sdoption.

redlucy on April 20, 2012 at 3:23 PM

11,000 more people in the country that people can not afford, and the right wing wants to cut off from being fed.

Makes sense.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Lives ended by terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001: 2,977
Lives saved by Partial-birth abortion ban: over 11,000

ITguy on April 20, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Something to celebrate: Partial-birth abortion ban has stopped 11,000 abortions

That’s great! Wish it were many more…

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 20, 2012 at 3:28 PM

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

You were a lot more interesting before your accident.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:28 PM

11,000 more people in the country that people can not afford, and the right wing wants to cut off from being fed.

Makes sense.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Maybe these 11,000 people could provide for themselves in due time…

Could happen.

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 3:28 PM

ITguy on April 20, 2012 at 3:26 PM

COmparing the two is un-American. 9/11 Has NOTHING to do with abortion and should not be compared to it.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Let’s also celebrate and embrace the opportunity to help millions of poor, including children, from hunger and third-world malnutrition in these difficult economic times. Many unwanted children, including those born to parents seeking an abortion, end up in very challenging environment. You can’t claim the moral high ground on abortions and then abandon it with the argument of “personal responsibility” as soon as money is involved.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-04-17/catholic-bishops-paul-ryan-budget/54361480/1

bayam on April 20, 2012 at 3:29 PM

The lowest levels of hell will be occupied by the abortionists.

They are no different than the SS fanatics, who exterminated their millions.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 3:28 PM

And the 1/2 that do not will need assistance from the government, but that probably will not be around if Republicans get their way, and then they will die from no medical coverage and no food.

So their lives will be more torture.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM

11,000 more people in the country that people can not afford, and the right wing wants to cut off from being fed.
Makes sense.
damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Gross. You people are morbid.

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

And no evidence nor did his defense claim a broken nose.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:23 PM

It was a bail hearing. The only things discussed in a bail hearing are potential threats to the general public the defendant may be, and whether or not he is a flight risk.

NotCoach on April 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

bayam on April 20, 2012 at 3:29 PM

I agree so much with your post. Republicans liked to use the Church when it came to an agenda they could support. Then when the church tells them they are wrong, they go against it.

Hypocrites.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

NotCoach on April 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

You and I must of been watching a different bail hearing.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM

and then they will die from no medical coverage and no food.

So their lives will be more torture.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM

It truly is amazing that the human race made it long…

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM

11,000 more people in the country that people can not afford, and the right wing wants to cut off from being fed.

Makes sense.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Do you have a link to back up your statement? Are you assuming that every potential abortion was to someone who could not afford having a child?

herm2416 on April 20, 2012 at 3:33 PM

11,000 more people in the country that people can not afford, and the right wing wants to cut off from being fed.

Makes sense.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Yeah, because they don’t deserve a chance to make it…DO THEY? They can’t go up for adoption to parents that actually WANT a child, can they?

search4truth on April 20, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Elections, do indeed, have consequences.

johnnybgood on April 20, 2012 at 3:33 PM

It truly is amazing that the human race made it this long…

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM

oops.

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 3:33 PM

bayam on April 20, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Too bad you weren’t posting links when the Catholic Church was decrying the birth control mandates of ObamaCare. You were probably washing your hair or something, it happens.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:33 PM

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

It’s not a matter of being morbid, it is a matter of plain fact. When these kids are brought into this world with a poor family that can barely feed themselves, what kind of life is that?

Then to boot, the right wing wants to cut the food allowances for the poor, and as it is, that allowance can barely feed them.

It does not make sense at all.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

And the 1/2 that do not will need assistance from the government, but that probably will not be around if Republicans get their way, and then they will die from no medical coverage and no food.

So their lives will be more torture.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Who do you think you are impressing with this obnoxious stupidity? Besides the blatant canard that only poor women get abortions, how could any person with two brain cells to rub together make such outrageous claims not based on any facts? Seriously, how do you not feel like an imbecile posting crap like this?

NotCoach on April 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM

search4truth on April 20, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Have you seen the amount of children that are still in foster homes because they are not adopted?

The system is already over populated, thats right, throw more in.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Maybe these 11,000 people could provide for themselves in due time…

Could happen.

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 3:28 PM

In the racist, homophobic United States of White Amerikkka? Surely you jest.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:36 PM

NotCoach on April 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM

I am not saying only poor people get abortions, though probably a majority of them do.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:36 PM

“Parents shouldn’t be punished for having unprotected sex and not taking responsibility for their actions” –liberals

search4truth on April 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Then to boot, the right wing wants to cut the food allowances for the poor, and as it is, that allowance can barely feed them.

It does not make sense at all.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

People know how to procreate but not feed themselves.

God must be a comedian.

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM

The system is already over populated, thats right, throw more in.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM

So your answer is eugenics (AKA murder). Good solution, Herr Doktor.

search4truth on April 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM

It’s not a matter of being morbid, it is a matter of plain fact. When these kids are brought into this world with a poor family that can barely feed themselves, what kind of life is that?

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

We should ask Clarence Thomas, Andrew Jackson or Jesus.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM

It was a bail hearing. The only things discussed in a bail hearing are potential threats to the general public the defendant may be, and whether or not he is a flight risk.

NotCoach on April 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

There was more stated than just the bail hearing. The prosecution really made a mess. Zimmerman will walk.

JPeterman on April 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Funny thing about that 11,000 number, there is nothing to back that up.

Considering that the number was estimated at 500-1000 a year, how is that adding up to 11K?

Oh yeah, cause it meets a political agenda!

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM

11,000 lives created AND saved.

Somehow Obama will take credit for it.

SnowSun on April 20, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Bush isn’t going to be “blamed” for that number this time.

“Partial-birth abortion” should forever be banned. I get sick just thinking about that. It really is to our shame that the US allows abortion on demand. All we can do is pray for their souls, because I would think Roe v Wade will never be overturned.

JetBoy on April 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Iggy time.

You can’t talk any sense to these pissants. No logic or facts will ever work.

It’s why they are, who they are.

Allow them to slip away, into the cesspool they came from.

I’m so sick of just one of them, posting 30 posts in one thread.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM

OT: from Gallup, seriously, WTF is wrong with independents?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154007/Obama-Trusted-Romney-Leaders-Economy.aspx

Fifty percent of the country trust a socialist with our economy?

BuckeyeSam on April 20, 2012 at 3:42 PM

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Yeah, murder, that’s the ticket…

Let’s just call it something else, something a bit more palatable. Selective reduction perhaps?

Nah… how about a “final solution”. Take care of that “over populated” system. Sure, sure…

Reprehensible.

We’ve been down this road before. What you’re advocating is a form of eugenics.

That is morally bankrupt. Just because a system is overloaded or broken doesn’t make death a viable response. Two wrongs do not make a right.

How about advocating for real reform of the “system”?

There are people who want to foster and want to adopt, but the “system” makes it very difficult.

No… your answer is just to kill them. Ignorant in its simplicity and vacuity.

Logus on April 20, 2012 at 3:42 PM

It’s not a matter of being morbid, it is a matter of plain fact. When these kids are brought into this world with a poor family that can barely feed themselves, what kind of life is that?
Then to boot, the right wing wants to cut the food allowances for the poor, and as it is, that allowance can barely feed them.
It does not make sense at all.
damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

We’re did you get all that straw? Right wing this and right wing that. Our position is one that gives these children a chance at life and to make their lives worth while. Your position is kill them all and let the garbage man sort them out. Besides, who’s going to support your welfare when you’re old and curmudgeon if we keep killing off our young?

Twisted…

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Funny thing about that 11,000 number, there is nothing to back that up.

Considering that the number was estimated at 500-1000 a year, how is that adding up to 11K?

Oh yeah, cause it meets a political agenda!

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Reminds me of something….what was it again…jobs created or saved….or whatever, it escapes me now.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM

You ask Jesus, he doesnt exist and never did.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

bayam on April 20, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Too bad you weren’t posting links when the Catholic Church was decrying the birth control mandates of ObamaCare. You were probably washing your hair or something, it happens.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Interesting that you don’t recognize the real hypocrisy that I’m suggesting. No I wasn’t posting those links but who was? The word of the Catholic Church earlier this month was deemed sacrosanct by the right but I guess at that time it was more politically expedient.

bayam on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

11k is chump change.

And yes, that’s irony.

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

My position is not abortion, my position is that it is wrong to cut funding for these lives that need nutrition, and should not have to worry where their next meal is going to come from.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

You ask Jesus, he doesnt exist and never did.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Faith. Google it.

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

you google it, I have made by beliefs known.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM

There was more stated than just the bail hearing. The prosecution really made a mess. Zimmerman will walk.

JPeterman on April 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM

To what end? Was the prosecution trying to make its case in a bail hearing?

NotCoach on April 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM

11,000 lives saved! Maybe the next Dr. Ben Carson or Dr. Jonas Salk among them? Thanks for the good news, Tina.

indyvet on April 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM

My position is not abortion, my position is that it is wrong to cut funding for these lives that need nutrition, and should not have to worry where their next meal is going to come from.
damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Actually you made it quite clear in your first post that it’s better to murder children than to risk them ending up on the welfare doles.

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM

you google it, I have made by beliefs known.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Right. Like every Atheist, you need to make your belief in disbeliefs known to everyone.

I don’t believe you believe what you think you do.

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Interesting that you don’t recognize the real hypocrisy that I’m suggesting. No I wasn’t posting those links but who was? The word of the Catholic Church earlier this month was deemed sacrosanct by the right but I guess at that time it was more politically expedient.

bayam on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

You weren’t posting links, the left never does. Libs hate the Church unless they can swing out some opinion from someone to say “SEE! SEE!”

If you had been here for those ObamaCare threads you would have found plenty of Believers advocating their views not on religious dogma but on whether or not the government can force anyone, churches or otherwise, to provide something.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

You ask Jesus, he doesnt exist and never did.
damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

You’re the third pro child murderer to make this comment today. Nope, it’s not a coenidence that a lot of people who don’t believe Jesus existed find no moral qualm with killing innocent children.

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

To what end? Was the prosecution trying to make its case in a bail hearing?

NotCoach on April 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM

I didn’t get to watch it all. But the defense attorney did a lot of questioning, regarding the facts, or lack thereof, which were “known” to the State’s investigator/affiant, underlying the affidavit which was presented to the Court.

The Court allowed a lot of what is called a “fishing expedition,” regarding matters which had no direct bearing on the issues in a bail hearing.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

To what end? Was the prosecution trying to make its case in a bail hearing?

NotCoach on April 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM

They had one of the investigators on the stand who more or less admitted he didn’t see anything contradicting the charges. Go take a look over at Drudge.

JPeterman on April 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

You ask Jesus, he doesnt exist and never did.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Sure he did, you can quibble with his religious aspect but he did exist.

But if that doesn’t work for you, how about Abraham Lincoln, also born into poverty. Did he exist?

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

11,000 more people in the country that people can not afford, and the right wing wants to cut off from being fed.

Makes sense.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Why don’t you let us know how many people we can “afford”, and what you’d like to do with the rest.

TexasDan on April 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Exactly. Leave religiousness out of it.

IT’S JUST WRONG. Morals, people.

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM

But if that doesn’t work for you, how about Abraham Lincoln, also born into poverty. Did he exist?

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM

More importantly, did he kill vampires?

TexasDan on April 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM

It’s not a matter of being morbid, it is a matter of plain fact. When these kids are brought into this world with a poor family that can barely feed themselves, what kind of life is that?

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

What a load that comment is. Who are you to question the kind of life a child will lead? Kids are born into every tax bracket all the time. And you seem to have a crystal ball to gaze at, and predict their lives.

JetBoy on April 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

And just think, if only the nation had been spared the likes of Andrew Carnegie, another child born into extreme poverty, we all would have been better off.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

My position is not abortion…

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Yes it is. You even stated death is a preferrable alternative to foster care. You’re really upset these 11,000 babies didn’t have their skulls crushed aren’t you? You certainly drive home the point of liberalism being a mental illness. You are a very sick individual.

Buttercup on April 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

You’re the third pro child murderer to make this comment today. Nope, it’s not a coenidence that a lot of people who don’t believe Jesus existed find no moral qualm with killing innocent children.

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Funny, isn’t it – how it was also the basis for the mass exterminations, by the Communists, in the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia and North Korea.

Abortion and mass extermination go hand-in-hand, for the same reasons.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 20, 2012 at 4:01 PM

It’s not a matter of being morbid, it is a matter of plain fact. When these kids are brought into this world with a poor family that can barely feed themselves, what kind of life is that?

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

What a load that comment is. Who are you to question the kind of life a child will lead? Kids are born into every tax bracket all the time. And you seem to have a crystal ball to gaze at, and predict their lives.

JetBoy on April 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Bravo… I could never have said it better

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

It’s not a matter of being morbid, it is a matter of plain fact. When these kids are brought into this world with a poor family that can barely feed themselves, what kind of life is that?

Then to boot, the right wing wants to cut the food allowances for the poor, and as it is, that allowance can barely feed them.

It does not make sense at all.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Two things: I’m glad my gramma didn’t have access to abortion in1926. My dad was born, her husband–an alcoholic–had died during the pregnancy. She took in washing, ironing, and boarders to make ends meet. All three of her children went to Catholic schools, all graduated with high school degrees only. My dad went to night school, but never graduated college. He had a very rough beginning….but through sheer hard work, my dad died a millionaire. It is a shame that you don’t give any of those 11,000 the same chance that my dad was given….the right to live and the right to prosper in a free United States.

Two: regarding your “right wing wants to cut food allowances to the poor”….do you know the current GOVERNMENT DEFINITION of poor is? One car, one computer, land line and cellphone, one microwave, cable TV, and central air conditioning! That isn’t poor! This administration just broadened the spectrum of “poor”.

herm2416 on April 20, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Buttercup on April 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

They are not born yet, it is not murder. Their BIRTHDATE has not happend.

It is the mothers right to make the decision, others should not be making it for them.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Partial birth abortion?!! C’mon mang. You either are born or your not. Cant the braniacs of the worlld and the self rightous pro lifers define what “born” is? How is this a serious debate if either side evades a basic understanding of the issue at band?

If your born, abortion bad if not abortion not so bad. Partial birth? WHAT IS THAT?!!

beselfish on April 20, 2012 at 4:03 PM

I truly don’t get the logic behind partial birth abortion. One would assume that by the time a woman got to her third trimester she had made a decision to carry the child to term or she would have aborted earlier in the pregnancy (and I am in no way defending earlier abortions here). If the mom’s health or life is in jeapardy why wouldn’t they just deliver the baby? Medicine has come a long way such that babies born in the eight and ninth month have very good chances of survival.

It’s not a matter of being morbid, it is a matter of plain fact. When these kids are brought into this world with a poor family that can barely feed themselves, what kind of life is that?
Then to boot, the right wing wants to cut the food allowances for the poor, and as it is, that allowance can barely feed them.
It does not make sense at all.
damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

I believe the goal is to cut the wastefulness in the welfare system and to provide temporary assistance not a way of life for these familites. As far as the allowance being barely able to feed them, have you had any contact with families actually receiving welfare and food stamps? If they are unable to provide basic food for themselves it is because they are not budgeting well and are refusing to do without things that are not necessities, not because the check isn’t big enough.

hopeful on April 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

All I see are 11,000 private exchanges of money and services on the free market being needlessly impeded by federal diktat. Funny to see “conservatives” celebrating that.

Armin Tamzarian on April 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Then there’s Babe Ruth.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

herm2416 on April 20, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Thats all right wing talk, there are still many poor people out there that can not feed their family.

Stop listening to Michael Graham

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

And just think, if only the nation had been spared the likes of Andrew Carnegie, another child born into extreme poverty, we all would have been better off.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

I can, also, think of a child that was born into poverty – and had quite an effect on mankind.

Jesus Christ.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

You ask Jesus, he doesnt exist and never did.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Errr… actually, he did exist. I’m an atheist, and I know he existed. I don’t believe in gods, nor that Jesus was the son of any particular god, but the man did in fact exist. Non-Christian historians noted his existence in Roman and Judean histories.

gravityman on April 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Dems would rather bring in Fresh worker bees from Mexico

tomas on April 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM

hopeful on April 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

I know people on the welfare system.

$200.00 a month in food money is not enough to eat all month. Noone can on that.

A mother and a child is $367.00 a month in benefits.

Do you even know what formula costs these days? You can not feed a 2 people on that.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 4:06 PM

gravityman on April 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

I bet there are more than on person named Jesus back then. He didnt exist.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Partial birth abortion?!! C’mon mang. You either are born or your not. Cant the braniacs of the worlld and the self rightous pro lifers define what “born” is? How is this a serious debate if either side evades a basic understanding of the issue at band?

If your born, abortion bad if not abortion not so bad. Partial birth? WHAT IS THAT?!!

beselfish on April 20, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Seriously?

If you want images, I have links. You won’t be disturbed, though they are horrific.

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Then there’s Babe Ruth.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Is that supposed to be funny? Because I take this issue fairly seriously.

Dork.

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Bravo… I could never have said it better

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

It’s nothing but lame excuses from these people. Personal responsibility means nothing to them. I just cannot wrap my brain around anyone who believes abortion on demand, and especially this “partial birth” abortion travesty, and to claim that income and food stamps (apparently) will make or break a child’s life, so to correct this we just need to kill off these babies and release them from the torture of not having a new XBox.

JetBoy on April 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

I parent should have a right to kill their kid till they are 18 since they are responsible for them.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

JetBoy on April 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM

It should be up to the mother, noone should force anyone what to do with their body.

damian1967 on April 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Seriously?

If you want images, I have links. You won’t be disturbed, though they are horrific.

Ugly on April 20, 2012 at 4:08 PM

These people are fanatics.

To them, a baby isn’t born yet, if everything but his head has breached. At which time it’s appropriate to insert a device into the base of the skull, and suck all matter out of the skull – for easy removal.

They are perverted. They are sick.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Images are going to explain what partial birth is? My question was rhetorical. U get that right? There is no such tbing, is what i hope you mean to show me in your photos.

beselfish on April 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM

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