Manchin: I may not vote for Obama in November

posted at 9:51 am on April 20, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Remember when blue-collar West Virginia was a lock for Democrats in presidential elections?  Good times, good times.  The state has become so disenchanted with Democrats in general and Barack Obama in particular that interim Senator and former governor Joe Manchin, himself a Democrat up for re-election this year, says he’s not sure he’d vote for Obama, either:

Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., who has done more than any other Democrat up for reelection this year to distance himself from President Obama, said he does not know if he will vote for Obama or presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney in November.

“I’ll look at the options,” Manchin said this week. The last three years “have made it pretty rough” for his state, he said.

That stance is at odds with almost every other Democrat who is up for reelection this year or is from a state that Romney is likely to win. And it’s an indication of the unique effort Manchin has made to establish his independence from Obama and other Democrats. The senator has regularly used floor speeches and closely watched votes to, as he puts it, “respectfully” highlight differences with Obama, especially on environmental issues. He said Obama has never called him or sought a one-on-one conversation.

Manchin said his own vote will depend on how his constituents view the contest.

We’ll take that as a no, then.  Obama lost West Virginia by thirteen points in 2008 while winning the national popular vote by seven points, and the Electoral College by 192 votes.  After three years of Obama’s war on coal production and use, West Virginians aren’t about to turn around by 14 points to boost Obama, and Manchin knows it.

The White House probably isn’t too concerned about this for those reasons.  This is about Manchin’s re-election, not Obama’s.  Democrats have 23 seats to defend against 10 for the GOP, and they need every caucus member they can re-elect to defend their thin claim on control of the upper chamber.  Obama’s team may not like Manchin’s public opposition to their energy policies, and they certainly won’t care for his public consideration of support for Mitt Romney, but they will keep quiet about it and hope no one notices, too.

They need Manchin more than he needs them, especially considering the impact of having Obama at the top of the ticket while Manchin tries to keep his seat.  He won his last race by 10 points in a special election, after starting it with a 30+-point lead.  Having Obama on the ticket will narrow that advantage even further, and Manchin may have to publicly endorse Romney to hang onto enough momentum to hold the seat.


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“My neighbor’s dog has produced more shovel-ready jobs than Obama’s stimulus.” — Gary Johnson

“Obamacare destroyed my liberal colleagues, but I don’t care” — Obama

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Who knew demorats could be racist? Besides Robert Byrd, I mean.

Bishop on April 20, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Don’t stand so close to me.

mwbri on April 20, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Manchin’s word are meaningless since he still caucuses with Barack’s team in the Senate.

SouthernGent on April 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

He won his last race by 10 points in a special election, after starting it with a 30+-point lead. Having Obama on the ticket will narrow that advantage even further, and Manchin may have to publicly endorse Romney to hang onto enough momentum to hold the seat.

Put your money where your mouth is, Joseph. Show up in Tampa and speak out at the GOP convention. You’ll fit right in following in the footsteps of Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman.

Doughboy on April 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Obama is dog meat.

*burp*

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

War on coal…

PatriotRider on April 20, 2012 at 9:55 AM

In the end they are all unprincipled hacks who will do or say anything to hang onto their cushy jobs.

CorporatePiggy on April 20, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Join the crowd, buddy.

faraway on April 20, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Manchin may have to publicly endorse Romney to hang onto enough momentum to hold the seat.

Never happen.

mankai on April 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Racist.

MadisonConservative on April 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM

“I’ll look at the options,” Manchin said this week. The last three years “have made it pretty rough” for his state, he said.

That needs to be in an ad, RNC. Get on it.

changer1701 on April 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Just a hunch but I’m guessing we won’t see many hosts on MSNBC, CNN, covering this story to any great depth.

WisRich on April 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM

West Virginia…is that near the Maldives???…

PatriotRider on April 20, 2012 at 9:57 AM

“This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedemir. Explain again how sheeps’ bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes in the Maldives.”

Akzed on April 20, 2012 at 9:57 AM

So far Joe has been all bark and no bite in standing up for WV against Obama.

Pun intended.

Manchin is trying to be a democrat who gets re-elected. And, unfortunately, he probably will. The Republican Party in WV is hopelessly inept. And despite that 2 of the 3 House members from the state are now Republican…

wildcat72 on April 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Remember those blessed times when most Democrats were like Manchin and Bayh, most Republicans were like Reagan and Goldwater, and commies like Obama were polluting our prisons?

Archivarix on April 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM

“My neighbor’s dog has produced more shovel-ready jobs than Obama’s stimulus.” — Gary Johnson
Schadenfreude on April 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Didn’t Gary Johnson steal that line from Rush?

redridinghood on April 20, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Manchin may have to publicly endorse Romney to hang onto enough momentum to hold the seat.

That would be funny to see, and I would pay to see “the One’s” reaction.

Manchin actually appears to be one of those near mythical moderate Democrats — the kind who were actually fairly common when I grew up during the 60s and 70s, but now are nearly extinct. Really, the EPA should be fighting for him rather than against him since he is an endangered species.

jwolf on April 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM

West Virginia, lock up your dogs.

faraway on April 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM

and Manchin may have to publicly endorse Romney to hang onto enough momentum to hold the seat.

popcorn!

ted c on April 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Is this what we’re going to have to hear until November? A never-ending stream of “I may not vote for Jugears this time” pathetic little donkeys seeking their 15 seconds of sound bite fame.

I’m sick already.

platypus on April 20, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Not voting for Obama? Yeah, that’s bluster and bullcrap.

Manchin’s got a rematch with John Raese coming up this year – the man who built his ad campaign around Manchin being a rubber stamp for the Obama agenda.

Now, Manchin’s got an actual voting record, and Raese’s going to exploit it. This is desperation by Manchin to guard his right flank, and it is in all likelihood a lie. Please. Who’s he going to vote for, the evil Mitt Romney?

KingGold on April 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM

West Va has a history of swapping sides.

faraway on April 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Obama is dog meat.

*burp*

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Like teacher used to say, “You are what you eat!”

CurtZHP on April 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Didn’t Gary Johnson steal that line from Rush?

redridinghood on April 20, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I don’t know and don’t care. It’s a great line for these dog days.

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2012 at 10:03 AM

They need Manchin more than he needs them

Hey Joe! Try the “the only difference between then and now, is that now….You got Me!” line…..It’d be great for a laugh or two.

ted c on April 20, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Akzed on April 20, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Bedevere.

Quote for accuracy or don’t quote at all.

KingGold on April 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Having Obama on the ticket will narrow that advantage even further, and Manchin may have to publicly endorse Romney to hang onto enough momentum to hold the seat.

Manchin knows that that dog won’t hunt.

ted c on April 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I don’t trust him at all.A dog is loyal to his master and so is he.

docflash on April 20, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Manchin is just another lying two-faced demorat who will lie until election day and stab his constituents in the back the next day. As long as American ignorance can be exploited by deceiving liars like Manchin they will get away with the lies and deceptions they use to stay elected. Pathetic.

volsense on April 20, 2012 at 10:05 AM

In the immortal words of Barry Obama; “Don’t worry, you have ME!”

GarandFan on April 20, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Meh. Pandering. I’ll start to believe him if he gives Romney a full public endorsement.

And even then, meaningless until he switches caucus in the Senate.

Unless all that happens, he’s just another stinkin’ Dem and we should be entirely focused on seeing him defeated with all the others. Too bad the WV GOP is still a horribly weak organization.

Gingotts on April 20, 2012 at 10:07 AM

If you don’t support the candidate on your party’s ticket, then don’t go to the democrat convention. I don’t know what the rules are there, but unless there is some kind of coup taking place for Hilary, the protocol obligates him to say Yay to Obama.

Perhaps democrat delegates get to Vote Present???

Fleuries on April 20, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Can’t somebody knock off this turd? Is Raese running against him again?

Uncledave on April 20, 2012 at 10:08 AM

The White House probably isn’t too concerned about this for those reasons. This is about Manchin’s re-election, not Obama’s.

This will leave a mark. The dems in congress seem to be abandoning ship, but as I posted in a headline thread there aren’t enough lifeboats.

The Zero administration is imploding.

dogsoldier on April 20, 2012 at 10:08 AM

In the immortal words of Barry Obama; “Don’t worry, you have ME!”

GarandFan on April 20, 2012 at 10:07 AM

That’s what worries them.

wildcat72 on April 20, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Manchin has let his voters down on a couple of occasions voting with the left instead of common sense, he probably should have flipped to independent before now.

Fleuries on April 20, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I don’t trust him at all.A dog is loyal to his master and so is he.

docflash on April 20, 2012 at 10:05 AM

A dog will not remain loyal to a master who beats him. Beaten dogs have a nasty habit of turning on the one who beats them and (dare I say it?) bite back. heh.

dogsoldier on April 20, 2012 at 10:10 AM

A dog will not remain loyal to a master who beats him. Beaten dogs have a nasty habit of turning on the one who beats them and (dare I say it?) bite back. heh. I dunno… cause gas?

dogsoldier on April 20, 2012 at 10:10 AM

FIFY?

Gingotts on April 20, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Hammer Manchin as an Obama-supporting liberal and an easy vote for Obama’s
Energy policies.

Jaibones on April 20, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Hey, you, Manchin!

You showed us, there’s no such thing as a Blue Dog.

I know, let’s play Dead Dog.

Typicalwhitewoman on April 20, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Obama’s team may not like Manchin’s public opposition to their energy policies, and they certainly won’t care for his public consideration of support for Mitt Romney, but they will keep quiet about it and hope no one notices, too.

Heh. That may be an unfulfilled wish if Mitt’s quick response team remains as effective as shown in recent days.
I can’t envision them leaving low hanging fruit this juicy, unplucked.

a capella on April 20, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Translation: I’ll vote for Obama, and vote for his policies from now on, but I’ll say I won’t, to appease the bitter clingers whose votes I need.

Bouncing Beatnik on April 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Hey, you, Manchin!

You showed us, there’s no such thing as a Blue Dog.

I know, let’s play Dead Dog.

Typicalwhitewoman on April 20, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Obamacare ate the blue dogs.

wildcat72 on April 20, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Boomerang
By Barack Obama

A dog on the roof
Of my mouth
Yum!

MaxMBJ on April 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Former Republican and Secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan-turned Democrat Jim Webb of Virginia is not running for re-election.

The opportunist Dixiecrats like Manchin can see how the wind is blowing, and Friend of 0bama is not a good label to have this fall…

MidniteRambler on April 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM

….another typical sewer dwelling sleazy-a*s politician.

try again later on April 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Akzed on April 20, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Bedevere.

Quote for accuracy or don’t quote at all.

KingGold on April 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Aw, lighten up, Frances. I got a good chuckle out of the quote, even with the misspelling.

UltimateBob on April 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Obama types just wish WV and all its coal would go away anyway. They will ignore Manchin. And his state

Jabberwock on April 20, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Translation: I’ll vote for Obama, and vote for his policies from now on, but I’ll say I won’t, to appease the bitter clingers whose votes I need.

Bouncing Beatnik on April 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM

I’ll gladly trade off giving him some re-election advantage for more ammo to show Scooter hates the working man and cheap energy.

a capella on April 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM

emember those blessed times when most Democrats were like Manchin and Bayh, most Republicans were like Reagan and Goldwater, and commies like Obama were polluting our prisons?

Archivarix on April 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I had a very pleasant lunch last week with a 75ish year old lady. It turns out she’s a long time democrat who never knew any republicans! She’s now lamenting the fact that there are no Democrats left among her friends here in Oklahoma. I didn’t say anything but the above comment is why. Gone are the days of the Blue Dogs. They were overwhelemed by the 60′s radicals and sweet ladies like her are living in the past.

tj4osu on April 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM

“The check is in the mail”…ya-da,ya-da,ya-da

albill on April 20, 2012 at 10:35 AM

West Virginia is deep blue on a state-wide basis. The State Legislature and all major Cabinet positions are Democrats. Manchin knows he’s very safe. Especially considering his opponent, John Raese, recently equated smoking bans to Jewish stars in the Holocaust.

inthemiddle on April 20, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Manchin said his own vote will depend on how his constituents view the contest.

Pfft. You do that on policies and legislation, not your election votes, doofus.

It’s hard to believe Manchin is that unprincipled, but then he is a Democrat.

Dusty on April 20, 2012 at 10:37 AM

If Manchin stays in the Democrat Party, of course he votes for Obama. He doesn’t have a choice, and he’s a natural Democrat by inclination and philosophy anyway. He’s getting killed, though, because the national leaders of his party have engaged in a long, vocal assault on the coal industry and now they’ve actually struck real blows. He’s lying, in short.

Only believe him if and when he leaves the party.

MTF on April 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Obama is dog meat.

*burp*

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

You are what you eat.

Gladtobehere on April 20, 2012 at 10:43 AM

“My neighbor’s dog has produced more shovel-ready jobs than Obama’s stimulus.” — Gary Johnson

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM

He’d better keep a close eye on that dog or he’ll end up on the menu at the White House.

Oldnuke on April 20, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Manchin’s word are meaningless since he still caucuses with Barack’s team in the Senate.

SouthernGent on April 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

He ought to come on over. I can name at least five GOP senators he’d already be to the right of, and probably more.

Red Cloud on April 20, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Manchin: I may not vote for Obama in November

Run away! Run away!!!

ITguy on April 20, 2012 at 11:20 AM

But you voted for him in 2008, despite the promises of Obama doing to West Virginia exactly what he did?

Own it, pu$$y.

MNHawk on April 20, 2012 at 11:22 AM

2004: Zell Miller
2008: Joe Lieberman
2012: Joe Manchin?

GOPRanknFile on April 20, 2012 at 11:23 AM

At this rate, he may have to endorse Sarah Palin.

paul1149 on April 20, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Not surprised Manchin is saying this about our Dear Leader, especially with what the EPA is doing to the coal industry & related jobs in West Virginia & elsewhere

Manchin’s word are meaningless since he still caucuses with Barack’s team in the Senate.

SouthernGent on April 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

He ought to come on over. I can name at least five GOP senators he’d already be to the right of, and probably more.

Red Cloud on April 20, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Agreed. Manchin moving overtly would demonstrate commitment, rather than just lip service.

Obama types just wish WV and all its coal would go away anyway. They will ignore Manchin. And his state

Jabberwock on April 20, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Obama can’t ignore WV… He’ll be scratching for every one of WV’s 5 electoral votes he can get, because he’ll be needing them.

Danny on April 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM

So what’s the big deal if the Senator votes for Romney in the fall if he is still going to vote WITH Obama while in the Senate? Here’s your cake….and you can eat it too!

Typical politician.

jjjdad on April 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM

This will leave a mark. The dems in congress seem to be abandoning ship, but as I posted in a headline thread there aren’t enough lifeboats.

The Zero administration is imploding.

Yesterday, Webb jumped overboard, and now Manchin is taking the leap. Many will follow, but when McCaskill jumps off “Ship Obama,” you’ll know that it’s time for the Dems to start telling us that the American people don’t want one party in charge of Congress and the Presidency, so we must split our votes and vote Democrat for Congress while voting Republican for Congress.

Good bye Barack.

stefano1 on April 20, 2012 at 11:45 AM

correction: …Republican for President.

stefano1 on April 20, 2012 at 11:46 AM

2004: Zell Miller
2008: Joe Lieberman
2012: Joe Manchin?

GOPRanknFile on April 20, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Interesting observation. And you can add:

1962: Ronald Reagan… “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The party left me.”

ITguy on April 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Obama lost West Virginia by thirteen points in 2008

And Thurston lost to Chimpy Bush in WV by 13 points in 2004.

In 2000, Manbearpig lost to Chimpy by 6 points in WV. Just as he lost his home state of Tennessee.

As I recall Gore’s losses in those 2 states had a lot to due with guns.

Del Dolemonte on April 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM

I guess the Dems MAY not be voting for you as well in November so it’s a wash.

Uppereastside on April 20, 2012 at 12:28 PM

You Lie!
You Slut!

KOOLAID2 on April 20, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Now that you mention it, How many trips to West Virginia has Obama made?

OxyCon on April 20, 2012 at 1:14 PM

West Virginia is deep blue on a state-wide basis. The State Legislature and all major Cabinet positions are Democrats. Manchin knows he’s very safe. Especially considering his opponent, John Raese, recently equated smoking bans to Jewish stars in the Holocaust.

inthemiddle on April 20, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Our bench is really so thin in West Virginia that we’re giving that guy another crack at it? Does Capito just not want to be a senator?

alchemist19 on April 20, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Translation: I’ll vote for Obama, and vote for his policies from now on, but I’ll say I won’t, to appease the bitter clingers whose votes I need.

Bouncing Beatnik on April 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM

+1000

riddick on April 20, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Oh my – Don’t tell me that Manchin’s brain cells are regenerating!?!

Pork-Chop on April 20, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Obama is dog meat.

*burp*

Electrongod on April 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

As he wrote, “tough”. Or more like snake meat, but slippery.

Steve Z on April 20, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Dear Joe,
This ain’t our father’s Democratic party anymore. Time to cross on over….

humdinger on April 20, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Manchin’s word are meaningless since he still caucuses with Barack’s team in the Senate.

SouthernGent on April 20, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Game, set and match!

He’d say anything to get reelected but in the end, he’s a democrat.

jnelchef on April 20, 2012 at 2:29 PM

West Virginia is going toward the GOP. The modern Democrat party hates West Virginians. They hate their religion, their guns, their coal, in fact come to think of it…everything, except maybe the unions, but even those they don’t seem to like.

Rockefeller won’t be able to buy himself out of this in the future and Manchin won’t be able to good ole boy talk his way out of it either. If Manchin has hopes for a future in politics he might need to change parties or quit.

William Eaton on April 20, 2012 at 2:35 PM

West Virginia is deep blue on a state-wide basis. The State Legislature and all major Cabinet positions are Democrats. Manchin knows he’s very safe. Especially considering his opponent, John Raese, recently equated smoking bans to Jewish stars in the Holocaust.

inthemiddle on April 20, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Our bench is really so thin in West Virginia that we’re giving that guy another crack at it? Does Capito just not want to be a senator?

alchemist19 on April 20, 2012 at 1:43 PM

My guess would be that Capito thinks that her House seat is pretty safe, but that her chances are no better than 50-50 going up against Manchin. IF she were tired of serving in the House and looking for something new, she’d probably throw her hat in the ring, but a safe seat in a Republican House is better than rolling the dice and likely losing to Manchin. Manchin may not be as popular as he was when he was governor, but he’s probably still personally popular enough to pull in sufficient gullible votes by employing the usual, two-faced “moderate” Democrat song and dance: run as a conservative/stand-up-to-Baraka-and-Harry Reid candidate, but vote like a flaming socialist when it really matters most.

djm1992 on April 20, 2012 at 2:55 PM

So what? Does he want a medal to not vote for Obutthead? On the other hand, how would we know anyway who he votes for since he can say whatever he wants and do whatever he wants and I know of few instances where he’s said one thing and done the opposite.

stukinIL4now on April 20, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Since there is just NO WAY Manchin can reassert the “old” Democrat party, Joe needs to consider switching sides, quickly. Or his president is going to cost ole Joe his job.

Colatteral Damage on April 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM