Uh oh: Obama 47, Romney 42, Gary Johnson 6

posted at 7:16 pm on April 19, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via BuzzFeed. Dude, I’m nervous.


I know what you’re thinking: The damned libertarians are going to blow it by pulling a Nader on Romney. Is that what the data says, though? That 11 percent among indies does fit with a “disaffected Paul fans ready to go third party” narrative, but look closely at the first table. The only group among which Johnson pulls double digits is … “very liberal” voters, who I assume prefer him to O either because they’re disgruntled that Obama didn’t deliver single-payer yet or whatever and are looking for a protest vote or because they really, really like Johnson’s platform on legalizing drugs.

But never mind them. Check out the staggering split between The One and Romney among “somewhat conservative” voters and, especially, “moderates.” I expect the latter group to tilt Democratic simply because liberals tend to be more reluctant to define themselves as liberal than conservatives are in defining themselves as conservatives, but a 60/33 split seems astounding. Also, note that O is a net +70 among “somewhat liberal” voters but Mitt is just +47 among “somewhat conservative” ones. Again, I think that’s partly to do with how voters define themselves: “Somewhat conservatives” really are somewhat conservative but “somewhat liberals” are solidly liberal yet less inclined to fully embrace that. As such, Obama’s bound to do better with them than Mitt will with “somewhat conservatives.” But even so — between that group and “moderates,” you’re seeing many more Obama voters in the mix than I’d expect. Which is to say, it’s not Gary Johnson and the libertarians who are killing Romney here (especially since there are “very liberal” voters in Johnson’s base), it’s centrist Republicans and moderate Democrats, a pattern we also saw in that Pew poll on Tuesday about strong support for Romney among tea partiers and weaker support among neutrals. He needs to close the gap with the middle, badly. But then, that’s what the general election “Etch-a-Sketch” strategy is all about.

Follow the link for additional data about the veepstakes. Exit question: Chris Christie helps Romney as VP more (marginally more) than either Jeb Bush or Mike Huckabee do? Never would I have guessed.


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You still dont get it, just because Romney spent money, does not mean he was forced down your throat. You, and every Republican who has gotten to vote, had a choice. And they chose Romney. To now say that he was forced down your throat is just wrong.

And, a vote for Gary Johnson is anything but thougtful. I would argue it is thoughtless and negligent.

milcus on April 20, 2012 at 11:39 AM
Oh I get it and ain’t democracy grand :-) This still is a democrat country at least until the democrats or republicans get total control of it. So if we don’t like choice 1 or 2 on the menu, we can choose 3, 4, or whatever as much as it grates on you.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 11:48 AM

This person speaketh the truth also!

Pragmatic on April 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM

In terms of Romneycare, bear in mind that the Democrat majority in the legislature was such that Romney couldn’t even make his vetos stick all the time. He vetoed eight provisions of it, and all eight were overturned. The legislation itself was wildly popular within the State House, with only something like 4% or 4 legislators (can’t remember which) withholding approval. There was no way it wasn’t going to pass. Romney’s only choice was to influence it as best he could or whine about it while he was being overrun.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Gary Johnson governed a very blue state as a strict fiscal conservative and won re-election easily.

Mitt Romeny governed a very blue state as a weak kneed moderate / big government liberal. Then he wisely chose not to even try to get re-elected when he saw his terrible polling numbers. Better to go buy the presidency.

I’ll go with Gary Johnson. You republicans have not made the case for your guy other than to say he is not as bad as Obama. That’s really not saying very much is it?

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Gary Johnson governed a very blue state as a strict fiscal conservative and won re-election easily.

Mitt Romeny governed a very blue state as a weak kneed moderate / big government liberal. Then he wisely chose not to even try to get re-elected when he saw his terrible polling numbers. Better to go buy the presidency.

I’ll go with Gary Johnson. You republicans have not made the case for your guy other than to say he is not as bad as Obama. That’s really not saying very much is it?

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Go ahead. It’s your vote to spend as you wish, nobody’s saying it isn’t. But Johnson has NO HOPE of winning. All he can do is play the spoiler for Romney. So those posters who point out to you that you are HELPING Barack Obama’s reelection efforts are exactly correct. No point in libertarians whining about the bare bones truth of the situation. If they REALLY don’t care that Obama is reelected, there’s no difference between them and Socialist Democrats in terms of the effective use of their political power. The end result is the same.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM

The bare bones truth is that you republicans told us that same crap last time about McCain. You know your new guy will not win any better than McCain or Dole.

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 12:18 PM

“You still dont get it, just because Romney spent money, does not mean he was forced down your throat. You, and every Republican who has gotten to vote, had a choice. And they chose Romney. To now say that he was forced down your throat is just wrong. ”

Point of order: I’m a Virginia voter, and Romney and Ron Paul were the only candidates on the ballot. So Romney was indeed ‘forced down my throat’ .

I’m hoping he wins, but make no mistake: we face an uphill battle. I think that, as the first African-American president, the youthful President Obama still embodies hope and change to millions of voters who vote with their “heart” (i.e., their emotional reaction on seeing a youthful, handsome candidate) as opposed to voting on the issues.

What would change that, I think , is if he displays such incompetence that even the normal people, as opposed to those of us who frequent right wing blogs, start noticing. Incompetence to such a degree that even the MSM can’t wash it away. So far that hasn’t happened. Still , a lot can happen between now and November. But if it does, it’ll have to be an unforced error. What a man does to himself is worth billions spend on negative ads by an opponent.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

pendell2 on April 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM

The bare bones truth is that you republicans told us that same crap last time about McCain. You know your new guy will not win any better than McCain or Dole.

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 12:18 PM

McCain wasn’t my first choice in 2008, but fact is.. he was running ahead there at the last when the crash happened. I think it’s likely that if McCain had offered some real leadership when the opportunity presented itself, he’d have won. For people who care to remember, McCain suspended his campaign, ran back to Washington, and then ended up falling in line behind Bush and Paulson, along with Obama of course. If he had presented an alternative path and differentiated himself in terms of LEADERSHIP from Obama, offered a better solution.. I think he’d have won.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Just because Romney got shoved down our throats, I’m supposed to vote for him? Even if I don’t trust him? Even if he gives me the creeps? I’m supposed to vote for him because the “establishment” decided he would be the one to go up against Obama?

Sorry, no, not playing that game any longer. I’ll vote for who I believe to be the best for the country and let the chips fall where they may and this time that means Gary Johnson.

If Johnson garners enough votes to deny the White House to Romney, too bad so sad. We’ll survive another four years of Obama but can we survive another 50 years of essentially one party rule?

crashland on April 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM

This person speaketh the truth!

Pragmatic on April 20, 2012 at 12:01 PM

No, they speaketh inanity.

SauerKraut537 on April 20, 2012 at 12:35 PM

“If he had presented an alternative path and differentiated himself in terms of LEADERSHIP from Obama, offered a better solution…”

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 12:31 PM

That is the case against Romney all day long.

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM

That is the case against Romney all day long.

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM

No, it’s not. This bizarre meme put forth by libertarians that these two men are exactly the same has no basis in truth. One is a socialist; one is a capitalist. One is an ideologue; the other is a pragmatist. One has made his fortune operating inside the political system; the other has made his money through private enterprise. One has already shown us what he’ll do with the presidency; the other has not. One would have a lame-duck term ahead with nothing left to lose politically; the other would be beginning a first term, mindful of the need to be responsive to the people.

We could go on and on. These two men are NOT the same. They’re not even CLOSE to being the same.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM

One other very noticeable difference:
Obama is the president.
Romeny will not be president.

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 12:52 PM

One other very noticeable difference:
Obama is the president.
Romeny will not be president.

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Oh, I still think Romney will beat Obama. The job is admittedly more difficult with Johnson playing spoiler, but he’ll be poaching from the liberal anti-war base as well.

It’s telling though that there are some people who are so concerned about defeating Mitt Romney that they’re willing to gladly embrace another Obama term. And it puts the value of libertarianism to the question. IF libertarianism is tolerant of a socialist in office in order to defeat what it considers as too “moderate” an alternative, is it really just fringe kookery after all?
Because it doesn’t make sense to embrace the absolute antithesis of one’s ideals simply because they can’t have ALL of what they want.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Johnson has NO HOPE of winning. All he can do is play the spoiler for Romney.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Then it is time for Mitt Romney to give very serious consideration to ways to make those would-be Johnson voters happy.

JohnGalt23 on April 20, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Terrye on April 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM

*Why* should the GOP die?
Because they do NOT represent the conservative values upon which they sell themselves. Long live a Tea Party coming soon to your neighborhood.

“The voters select the nominee.”
Well, yes, nominally these days…considering the thoughtless lemming-like behavior of most Americans. That OROMa’s lies and negative advertising has such an impact is a testament to this.

Are you a typical OROMa supporter?
…since you exhibit the typical tendency of those “Republicans” who copy the Obama supporters’ M.O. of dismissing the messenger with insults.

Czar of Defenestration on April 20, 2012 at 1:33 PM

What’s really maddening about the republican establishment is the arrogance. It’s frustrating when I find myself agreeing more with CNN than with FOX News now when reporting about a hack like Romney. Yes, they can play this “I know you are but what am I” – Obama-like don’t pay attention to Romney’s record because he brings hope and change game and campaign style. But trying to out-Obama Obama or trying to out-democrat the democrats isn’t going to work with Romney. People will start to pay attention to his record and the similarities outweigh the differences. We want contrast and a real fighter, not a panderer or another con man. A 3rd party has a very good chance when the 2 establishment candidates wash each other out.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Because it doesn’t make sense to embrace the absolute antithesis of one’s ideals simply because they can’t have ALL of what they want.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 1:07 PM

A perfect definition of what republicans are doing when they embrace the liberal RINO candidate. Thank you for that.

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Then it is time for Mitt Romney to give very serious consideration to ways to make those would-be Johnson voters happy.

JohnGalt23 on April 20, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I think he will over the course of the summer. But he’s not an ideologue like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson, so I doubt that what he offers will truly satisfy purists in such a way as to make them not at least wish for the candidate of their choice. We all want what we want after all. That’s just human nature. For many libertarians, Paul or Johnson offers them 100% of what they want. Problem is.. they end up with 0% because their candidate wasn’t ever really in contention. Even worse, they get 100% of what the DIDN’T want if Obama wins as he is the antithesis of libertarian thought.

With Romney, they get a good bit of what they want, but not all. Even if it was only 60-70% though, that’s better than 100% of what they didn’t want because they’d be in positive territory rather than in negative.

I think as the summer progresses, people will realize all that. We’ll all get over whatever butt-hurt feelings we had in the loss of a given candidate and re-set our priorities. That’s just natural too. Who among us hasn’t experienced disappointment when our candidate loses? Just four years ago I was one of those who was NEVER going to pull the lever for John McCain.. lol. Faced with the alternative though, I swallowed my bile and deprived a socialist of a vote. It takes time. We get there eventually.

What should help libertarians is to bear in mind that their cause is lost on Obama. There’s no political pressure one can apply to a lame duck. A guy who’s hoping for another term though must be more responsive.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 2:07 PM

A 3rd party has a very good chance when the 2 establishment candidates wash each other out.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 1:40 PM

No, it doesn’t. A third party will typically poach from both sides, but it’s unlikely to cancel both out. Usually, you’ll see a Ross Perot scenario where the poaching hurts one party enough to allow the other an advantage. The poll above states clearly that while Johnson is poaching some from Democrats, he’s taking more from Republicans. That’s why people are telling you that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. It’s how Clinton got another term.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 2:16 PM

That’s why people are telling you that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. It’s how Clinton got another term.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 2:16 PM

A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson and that results when people stand by their convictions, something the RonMe supporters lost their courage to do.

If you want to support Abortions R Us, and the Individual Mandate then go do so, but stop your liberal styled propaganda about how good Mitt would be for POTUS because he is just another liberal RINO.

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 2:28 PM

No, it doesn’t. A third party will typically poach from both sides, but it’s unlikely to cancel both out. Usually, you’ll see a Ross Perot scenario where the poaching hurts one party enough to allow the other an advantage. The poll above states clearly that while Johnson is poaching some from Democrats, he’s taking more from Republicans. That’s why people are telling you that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. It’s how Clinton got another term.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Sorry, we’ve been fed this bunk before and I ain’t buying it this time. No amount of lipstick is going to fix up this pig – Romney sucks and he isn’t going to win. Obama is no shoe-in either. So we need a viable 3rd party candidate to shake things up. Otherwise, the status quo remains and we’ll go through this all over again in 2016. And this may actually benefit the republicans to wake them out of their stupor and country club mentality. They need a spanking. Gary Johnson has a pretty good site and bio, too. Check it out.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Face it-
If you’re not voting for Romney you’re voting for Obama and his SCOTUS picks.
Sometimes you just have to swallow your pride an use some common sense.

redridinghood on April 19, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Face it. IF you vote for Romney then you are voting for a LIBERAL who SUPPORTS the Individual Mandate, who supports raising taxes, and both he as well as his wife has financially supported Abortions R Us.

We all know what you support as I’ve supplied the proof, so don’t even bother calling yourself a republican anymore. You gave away your right to do so. [2nd. attempt at posting this]

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Gary Johnson has a pretty good site and bio, too. Check it out.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Pardon me, but where did you first hear about Conservative Gary Johnson, the ONLY American candidate running for POTUS?

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Pardon me, but where did you first hear about Conservative Gary Johnson, the ONLY American candidate running for POTUS?

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Back during the debates. He caught my attention then but the media sort of ignored him after that. And a few bloggers have been intensifying the interest.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:35 PM

Johnson won over democrats to a conservative message. Romney won over democrats to a liberal message and loses independent conservatives because he’s obviously not a conservative.

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Here are the reasons Romney supporters have for supporting the RINO:

Romney 2009: Obama should look to our mandate in Massachusetts in crafting his plan

Romney Attended Planned Parenthood Fundraiser in 1994

Romney jurist picks not tilted to GOP

Independents, Democrats get call

Cast off your chains of conservative convictions. Submit to the will of the Communist styled Liberalism in 2012. Vote for Mitt ‘sketchy’ Romney. /s

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 2:42 PM

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:35 PM

I’ve been too busy this year so I missed Johnson. I’m glad he is running this year as we need a conservative choice.

It will be fun handing out Johnson paraphernalia when I work at the GOP Victory HQ. this year.

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Sorry, we’ve been fed this bunk before and I ain’t buying it this time. No amount of lipstick is going to fix up this pig – Romney sucks and he isn’t going to win. Obama is no shoe-in either. So we need a viable 3rd party candidate to shake things up. Otherwise, the status quo remains and we’ll go through this all over again in 2016. And this may actually benefit the republicans to wake them out of their stupor and country club mentality. They need a spanking. Gary Johnson has a pretty good site and bio, too. Check it out.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Does he mention how he dumped his wife in his bio?.. just a year or so before she died suddenly? Did he dump her because he was cheating on her or was it just because she wasn’t riding mountain bikes well into her middle age?

No. Gary Johnson is NOT a “viable” candidate. He’s an aging hippy without the business acumen and moral decency in his personal life that Mitt Romney will bring to office. Even if the Libertarian Party was offering a truly phenomenal candidate, the odds would still be long and we’d probably end up with the Perot/Clinton scenario all over again.

You want a shot at 2016? Bring a candidate who DIDN’T ride the coattails of the Republican Party for as long as it was convenient to his political aspirations. We’ve no need of yet another greedy turncoat in Washington. There are plenty of ‘em already.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

I’ve been too busy this year so I missed Johnson. I’m glad he is running this year as we need a conservative choice.

It will be fun handing out Johnson paraphernalia when I work at the GOP Victory HQ. this year.

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Count me in as a recovering republican. I’m no Romney-zombie and it’s ABO&R for me. It’s so reassuring to know there are good candidates out there. It will be hard work, but at least I’ll have the satisfaction of believing in and supporting a candidate. Enough nose-holding for me.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Sorry, we’ve been fed this bunk before and I ain’t buying it this time. No amount of lipstick is going to fix up this pig – Romney sucks and he isn’t going to win. Obama is no shoe-in either. So we need a viable 3rd party candidate to shake things up. Otherwise, the status quo remains and we’ll go through this all over again in 2016. And this may actually benefit the republicans to wake them out of their stupor and country club mentality. They need a spanking. Gary Johnson has a pretty good site and bio, too. Check it out.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Does he mention how he dumped his wife in his bio?.. just a year or so before she died suddenly? Did he dump her because he was cheating on her or was it just because she wasn’t riding mountain bikes well into her middle age?

No. Gary Johnson is NOT a “viable” candidate. He’s an aging hippy without the business acumen and moral decency in his personal life that Mitt Romney will bring to office. Even if the Libertarian Party was offering a truly phenomenal candidate, the odds would still be long and we’d probably end up with the Perot/Clinton scenario all over again.

You want a shot at 2016? Bring a candidate who DIDN’T ride the coattails of the Republican Party for as long as it was convenient to his political aspirations. We’ve no need of yet another greedy turncoat in Washington. There are plenty of ‘em already.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Does he mention how he dumped his wife in his bio?.. just a year or so before she died suddenly? Did he dump her because he was cheating on her or was it just because she wasn’t riding mountain bikes well into her middle age?

No. Gary Johnson is NOT a “viable” candidate. He’s an aging hippy without the business acumen and moral decency in his personal life that Mitt Romney will bring to office. Even if the Libertarian Party was offering a truly phenomenal candidate, the odds would still be long and we’d probably end up with the Perot/Clinton scenario all over again.

You want a shot at 2016? Bring a candidate who DIDN’T ride the coattails of the Republican Party for as long as it was convenient to his political aspirations. We’ve no need of yet another greedy turncoat in Washington. There are plenty of ‘em already.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Oh, wow this is a real eye-opener so let me re-evaluate then and using Romney’s tactics. “I know you are but what am I.” LOL, sorry Romney and Obama still suck and Johson is a definite and attractive alternative to those 2.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Oh, wow this is a real eye-opener so let me re-evaluate then and using Romney’s tactics. “I know you are but what am I.” LOL, sorry Romney and Obama still suck and Johson is a definite and attractive alternative to those 2.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM

It’s your vote. Do what you want with it. But don’t cry about being told it’s a wasted vote, because in terms of end results… it is.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Enough nose-holding for me.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

AMEN, brother! [hope you are a dude]

Could I possibly interest you in signing up with the TEA Party? They could reallty assist you if you would like to campaign for Johnson.

Trust me. It is very easy to do and easier still when working to get a politician you can believe in elected.

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 3:04 PM

But don’t cry about being told it’s a wasted vote, because in terms of end results… it is.

Murf76 on April 20, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Having the courage of your convictions is NEVER A WASTE, but casting those to the curb always is.

Like it or not, 0bama is NOT the Antichrist. He is the anti-conservative and Romney is so much like 0bama that it should make you sick to your stomach.

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 3:08 PM

AMEN, brother! [hope you are a dude]

Could I possibly interest you in signing up with the TEA Party? They could reallty assist you if you would like to campaign for Johnson.

Trust me. It is very easy to do and easier still when working to get a politician you can believe in elected.

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Dude it is, brother, and already one step ahead. I have already changed my party affiliation from R to I (conservative) and will donate and campaign for Johnson around here. Will contact the TEA party also to see how I can help.

I don’t care about easy – you’re right, I want a candidate I can believe in and debate policies and ideas with my democrat (and now republican, I guess) friends without having to fake enthusiasm.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 3:11 PM

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Whether we win, lose, or draw, I promise you that you won’t be disappointed.

I worked my 0bama off to get Palin elected in 2008, and no one can make me feel bad about those efforts. I always point to the 0bama regime when anyone even so much as hints at it.

BTW, would you like to purchase a few McLame/Palin 4′x8′ lawn signs? I own a dozen of them still. LOL!

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Count me in as a recovering republican.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Shoot! I forgot to tell you that I am a recovering ChiTcagoland Dem-o-holic of over 25 years. [snicker]

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Whether we win, lose, or draw, I promise you that you won’t be disappointed.

I worked my 0bama off to get Palin elected in 2008, and no one can make me feel bad about those efforts. I always point to the 0bama regime when anyone even so much as hints at it.

BTW, would you like to purchase a few McLame/Palin 4′x8′ lawn signs? I own a dozen of them still. LOL!

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Count me in as a recovering republican.

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Shoot! I forgot to tell you that I am a recovering ChiTcagoland Dem-o-holic of over 25 years. [snicker]

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Brother, I like your style. Palin is a wonderful lady I respect a lot. She’s been treated atrociously by the RNC as have a lot of conservatives. And I hear you, I still have Dole/Kemp signs to remind me of what moderate, weak republicans give us in presidential elections.

So fellow recoverer, our support group is growing slowly but surely it looks like. Fight on!

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I’ll go with Gary Johnson. You republicans have not made the case for your guy other than to say he is not as bad as Obama. That’s really not saying very much is it?

honeybadger on April 20, 2012 at 12:08 PM

I’ll look into him, though Ron Paul is still an attractive alternative to Romney on many issues.

I’d feel better voting not just against Dear Leader, but for what I believe in. I actually I did feel that way with McCain, and would take him again over Romney.

Overall it’s a sticky thing-I don’t like having to feel pressured into voting for my party’s nominee even though I think that he will fail to do much of anything to reverse what’s been going on up there as of late, and for many decades of Progressive Socialist agendas…but Romney could lose anyway…but I really can’t stand the thought of Obama getting re-elected…

Man, this blows.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 20, 2012 at 3:36 PM

WTF? 13% of “very conservative” are looking to Obama?!!

Um, I’d like to hear the logic behind that.

lucyvanpelt on April 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Further info to Terrye on April 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM why
THE GOP MUST DIE BY 2016:

http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/04/20/mitch-mcconnell-does-it-again/

Czar of Defenestration on April 20, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Bullshit. It’s about principles, not feelings. The emotionally-involved are all the little totalitarian Mittbots with their “who’re you voting for? Huh? Huh?” purity tests.

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 7:38 AM

There’s nothing wrong with principles, but principles without common sense don’t get anything done. They just help you sleep better at night.

Pcoop on April 20, 2012 at 8:03 AM

And grabbing for political power without principles is going to get you about 3 generations deep into the political wilderness. Enjoy your stay.

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Further info to Terrye on April 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM why
THE GOP MUST DIE BY 2016:

http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/04/20/mitch-mcconnell-does-it-again/

Czar of Defenestration on April 20, 2012 at 4:39 PM

From that entry:

Let’s not kid ourselves about Republicans winning back the Senate. If McConnell remains party leader and he is joined by a new batch of big-government types like David Dewhurst, Jon Bruning, Tommy Thompson, and Rick Berg, nothing will change. They will all talk about balancing the budget, but it is this type of committee work that ensures that the budget will never be balanced. All the aforementioned candidates will serve as conduits for McConnell and the big appropriators.

That is precisely the problem. Romney, Obama, Robama, Obamney, McConnell, Reid, it makes no difference. The cheerleaders can rah rah for the Red Team all they want. It’s so much blather.

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Obama just called, he wants his socks back…

ray on April 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Obama just called, he wants his socks back…

ray on April 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Obama just called, he wants his socks back…

ray on April 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Gotta love that ‘bot “humor”.

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Thanks for the “concern”..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Hey … I forgot that Gary Johnson is in this race too.

So there you go – well, I’ll be voting Obama as method to give the GOP establishment the middle finger since Willard is as big a failure as Obama. I really don’t see a difference between one socialist and another – except that Willard LIES about his political orientation. WillardCare is all I need to look at as proof of his socialist tendencies.

But for anyone else who’s disgusted with the GOP establishment but just can’t bring themselves to pull for Obama – then VOTE GARY JOHNSON!!

HondaV65 on April 20, 2012 at 6:18 PM

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Thanks for the “concern”..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

What “concern”? :)

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM

How can anyone believe a poll in which 13 percent of those who called themselves “very conservative” say they support Obama?

Colony14 on April 20, 2012 at 6:53 PM

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM

You tell me ..Why the Bot reference..I figured you were “concerned”..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2012 at 7:00 PM

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM

You tell me ..Why the Bot reference??..I figured you were “concerned”..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Danno, how do you Claim to be a Palin supporter and then prop up Gary Johnson who differs from her in every way?

Rusty Allen on April 20, 2012 at 7:44 PM

But for anyone else who’s disgusted with the GOP establishment but just can’t bring themselves to pull for Obama – then VOTE GARY JOHNSON!!

HondaV65 on April 20, 2012 at 6:18 PM

I figure to write in Ron Paul as a salute to him, and since I wouldn’t know Johnson from Adam.

MelonCollie on April 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

So fellow recoverer, our support group is growing slowly but surely it looks like. Fight on!

mozalf on April 20, 2012 at 3:27 PM

You betcha!

Danno, how do you Claim to be a Palin supporter and then prop up Gary Johnson who differs from her in every way?

Rusty Allen on April 20, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Excuse me, but I don’t see as much of a difference between Palin and Johnson as I do between 0bama-like liberal Sketchy and Johnson.

Got a link proving your point? Thought not! /smug

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM

You tell me ..Why the Bot reference..I figured you were “concerned”..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2012 at 7:00 PM

I’m not concerned about the ‘bots, just describing them. Libs by any other name…

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 8:43 PM

How can anyone believe a poll in which 13 percent of those who called themselves “very conservative” say they support Obama?

Colony14 on April 20, 2012 at 6:53 PM

How come polls weren’t questioned quite as closely when they were lousy for Palin and good for Romney? They were accepted as gospel sight unseen then.

ddrintn on April 20, 2012 at 8:45 PM

DannoJyd on April 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM
Palin is prolife, Johnson pro choice
He wants to legalize drugs and prostitution.

Rusty Allen on April 20, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Gary Johnson on the issues.

Rusty Allen on April 20, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I am pro-life and pro-military readiness, like Palin.

Rusty Allen on April 20, 2012 at 10:33 PM

“Open the border; flood of Mexicans would become taxpayers.” Gary Johnson (Jan 2001)
Yeah, real Palinesque.

Rusty Allen on April 20, 2012 at 10:35 PM

About 750 comments late but…. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Suck it Mitt-tards.

angryed on April 21, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Rusty Allen on April 20, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Johnson on Illegal Immigration:

2 year grace period for illegals to get work visas. (Nov 2011)
1 strike & you’re out for legal immigrants who violate terms. (Nov 2011)
Let some, but not all, illegal immigrants stay in US. (Nov 2011)
We educate the world’s best & brightest; why send them back? (Jun 2011)

Abortion:
No federal funding for stem cell research. (Jan 2012)
Women’s right to choose until fetal viability. (Jun 2011)
Right to choose up until viability of the fetus. (May 2011)

Civil Rights:
Supports separation of religion and state. (Aug 2011)
I support gay unions; government out of marriage business

Yep! Johnson is MUCH closer to supporting Palins views than Mitt will EVER be.

DannoJyd on April 21, 2012 at 2:02 AM

!POOF! So much for Mittens coat tails and TEA Party support:

Hatch used an introduction video featuring Gov. Mitt Romney as he appealed to the party establishment in the heavily Republican state. Liljenquist stoked the passion of his voting base by declaring that “No senator is too big to fail.”

The challenge to Hatch has been seen as a litmus test for the influence of the tea party movement who, in 2010 upended the careers of several establishment Republicans including Mike Castle in Delaware, Charlie Crist in Florida and Bob Bennett in Utah.

DannoJyd on April 22, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Allahpundit should not worry about libertarians or anyone else blowing it for Romney. Romney will blow it for himself and, unfortunately, for the Republican Party.

Phil Byler on April 22, 2012 at 4:18 AM

If you support gay unions, don’t you support more government in gay’s business? I think you misunderstand what that issue is about, it’s about getting government perks and recognition for being gay. It’s not a small government thing.

Dr. Tesla on April 22, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Unless the government is rounding up gays and jailing them for being gay, the government is already out of their bedrooms.

So using small government rhetoric to advocate gay marriage is off the mark and the confusing the issue on purpose or out of ignorance.

Dr. Tesla on April 22, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Gary Johnson rocks. Gary 2012

Freeloader on April 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Mark Levin: ‘Character Matters and Romney’s Worries Me’

DannoJyd on April 23, 2012 at 8:30 AM

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