Rubio: Arizona immigration law is not a model for the nation

posted at 2:51 pm on April 19, 2012 by Tina Korbe

When the Arizona legislature first passed a law to require immigrants to carry alien registration at all times and to enable law enforcement agents to question people if they have reason to suspect they’re in the country illegally, Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio wasn’t quite sure what he thought of it. Eventually, he said he would have voted for it had he been in the Arizona legislature.

Today, though, Rubio said he does not consider the Arizona law a “model” for the nation:

Rubio said he understood why frustration with illegal immigration led Arizona to pass a law allowing local police to demand proof of citizenship. He also disagreed with the Obama administration’s contention that the law is unconstitutional. But he added, “I do not believe (laws like the one in Arizona) should be a model for the country.’’

Rubio’s reservations about the law come at a time when polls show the Republican Party facing a yawning deficit of support among Hispanic voters. Both national parties have launched national campaigns to reach out to the Hispanic community, the fastest growing part of the electorate and the key to victory in a number of swing states.Democrats have been zealously attacking Republican opposition to the DREAM Act, potentially popular legislation that would grant citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants who go to college or enroll in the military. In recent weeks, Rubio has started countering the criticism by proposing an alternative that would allow these children to obtain legal status but not citizenship.

If Rubio is successful in building support for his proposal, he would be helping the GOP kick a potentially losing issue off the election-year table. Critics have said the proposal would create a permanent underclass.

Properly speaking, Rubio is right. The Arizona law is not a model for the nation. It’s a model for other states to adopt as they see fit. It’s still up to Congress and the sitting president to craft a sensible immigration policy that takes into consideration national security, the rule of law, the probable economic contributions of potential immigrants and other factors. Immigration policy is one that has to be set at the national level for obvious reasons. The federal government’s failure to facilitate an immigration system that works justifies state-level attempts to tighten law enforcement. If federal legislators don’t like such state laws, they ought to provide states with a better framework for welcoming legal immigrants and deterring illegal immigration in the first place.

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Rubio said he understood why frustration with illegal immigration led Arizona to pass a law allowing local police to demand proof of citizenship. He also disagreed with the Obama administration’s contention that the law is unconstitutional. But he added, “I do not believe (laws like the one in Arizona) should be a model for the country.’’

Arizona should not have had to do this. Federal negligence led to them passing the law in the first place.

Bitter Clinger on April 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Without vacillation, I don’t know what I’d do with our politicians.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Rubio sounds more & more like an establishment hack.

Norwegian on April 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Federalism. Gotta love it.

Screw DC.

FlaMurph on April 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM

He’s heading down RINO road.

Not sure it matters much around here. Several cops I know do not take kindly to the ‘No Habla’ answer when they pull you over. They say ‘Habla Police Station’ and take them in…

CorporatePiggy on April 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM

RINOs, charge!

faraway on April 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Very few stat laws should be “models for the nation”. We need to get out of this mindset that Washington DC should micromanage things in a monolithic fashion across the country. We should allow and EXPECT different states to enact laws that address their own specific problems using their own specific set of resources that they have on hand.

Arizona should be left free to handle it’s specific challenges in the way that best fits Arizona. Same with Arkansas or Florida or anywhere else.

This “one size fits all” approach out of Washington not only doesn’t work, it goes directly against the founders’ vision of the role of the federal government. It is called FEDERAL for a reason.

crosspatch on April 19, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I love 5th generation illegals, who still can’t speak English.

It makes me feel so warm and snuggly inside.

It’s what made America great.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Rubio will never be a national figure other than in the senate. The Dream act or anything like just provides the first person in the family with citizenship which makes removing any other member of the family impossible. De facto amnesty.

aniptofar on April 19, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Rubio is trying to help conservatives and Republicans here, though I’m sure the usual suspects will start shrieking about the Mexicanization of America, etc. etc.

Here’s a simple demographic reality: if the GOP — through poorly chosen rhetoric or an inability to craft a solution to the immigration issue that doesn’t simply equal “throw them in trucks and deport them all no matter what” — allows Hispanics to become as monolithic a voting bloc for the Dems as African-Americans have become, we will never win a Presidential election again. You cannot wish this reality away. We need a solution that doesn’t simply craft a blanket amnesty, but also one that doesn’t simply say “f*** you” and revel in our hardcore-ness about breaking up families, engaging in mass deportations, etc. etc.

E-Verify as a national policy followed by some sort of immigration reform settlement plus a fence on the border would be the right answer, IMO.

Esoteric on April 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Federalism. Gotta love it.

Screw DC.

FlaMurph on April 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM

The point is that federalism shouldn’t have to be coming into play here. It’s fairly obvious that a national border should be regulated by the national government. They aren’t doing it.

Red Cloud on April 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I love 5th generation illegals, who still can’t speak English.

It makes me feel so warm and snuggly inside.

It’s what made America great.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Find me one. Just one.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Here is my immigration plan:

1) Do whatever has to be done to the border to prevent jihadis, drug mules, human traffickers, felons, etc from being able to cross it.

2) Allow anyone who wants to become an American Citizen do to so as long as they a) speak English b) place enough money in escrow for a one way ticket back to their home country should they commit a crime or attempt to obtain government assistance within their first five years in the US.

3) Enjoy watching socially liberal referenda continue to go down in flames, but by an even greater margin!

Kataklysmic on April 19, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Rubio: Arizona immigration law is not a model for the nation

So we are going to go with the Oklahoma or Alabama model?

Dr Evil on April 19, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Find me one. Just one.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM

You live in NY right? Try the kitchens of any restaurant.

CorporatePiggy on April 19, 2012 at 2:59 PM

You live in NY right? Try the kitchens of any restaurant.

CorporatePiggy on April 19, 2012 at 2:59 PM

There is no way in hell they’re 5th generation! They’re all 1st generation.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:00 PM

The GOP really is going to do everything in its power to make sure I don’t donate time or money this year. And, the more they push amnesty, that I don’t bother voting.

I was coming around. I was getting on board the Romney train and willing to take it for the team. But they just can’t give up the delusional idea that if they appease Hispanics on immigration, the Hispanics will vote “R”.

It is delusional. And it is terrible, terrible policy for the U.S. If Hispanics were remotely “conservative”, the entirety of central and south America would not be one socialist paradise after another. Just because they came here does not make them conservative or even slightly right of center. Just because they are mostly catholic does not either. Further, even if it were true that Hispanics might consider voting “R” if we pandered – we are always going to be out-pandered by the Dems. If we offer a small amnesty, they will offer a large amnesty. Stop playing this delusional, idiotic game. When we have such high unemployment, it is not really the time to do things that invite millions more illegals to enter the country. How stupid are you people? Seriously? What is wrong with you mental defectives that you cannot understand simply concepts?

Yes, after 8 – 12 years of immigration law enforcement (i.e., stronger border, enforcing employment laws, etc), after we get the # of illegals here down, the number coming in annually way, way down, and get the Hispanic population that remains here to assimilate better, then we can start talking about some kind of path to legal residency (not citizenship).

Monkeytoe on April 19, 2012 at 3:01 PM

He’s right, of course.

There are only a few states in which the critical-mass population of illegal immigrants has given rise to rampant gang violence, kidnappings, the drug trade, and the like. Arizona happens to be one of them.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Find me one. Just one.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM

….OK!…WHO farted!

KOOLAID2 on April 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM

I love 5th generation illegals, who still can’t speak English.

It makes me feel so warm and snuggly inside.

It’s what made America great.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Find me one. Just one.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I have to agree with Ernesto on this. I doubt there are many 2nd or higher generation illegals who can’t speak Spanish. I’m sure there are some, but it has to be a very small minority.

Monkeytoe on April 19, 2012 at 3:04 PM

McShamnesty 2.0

Rubio is a Jeb Bush bought and paid for RINO.

davek70 on April 19, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Find me one. Just one.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM

You’re right. I’m so many generations off in my ignorance and prejudice.

Let’s just go with 2nd and 3rd generation – it’ll simplify things.

Que? No habla!

The inability to speak English is why our grocery stores package eggs with the term, “Huevos.”

It’s not only a disgrace, it’s an admission that English is irrelevant for our Southern partners.

OhEssYouCowboys on April 19, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Here’s a simple demographic reality: if the GOP — through poorly chosen rhetoric or an inability to craft a solution to the immigration issue that doesn’t simply equal “throw them in trucks and deport them all no matter what” — allows Hispanics to become as monolithic a voting bloc for the Dems as African-Americans have become, we will never win a Presidential election again. You cannot wish this reality away. We need a solution that doesn’t simply craft a blanket amnesty, but also one that doesn’t simply say “f*** you” and revel in our hardcore-ness about breaking up families, engaging in mass deportations, etc. etc.

E-Verify as a national policy followed by some sort of immigration reform settlement plus a fence on the border would be the right answer, IMO.

Esoteric on April 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM

So when the cops find a drug dealer and send him to prison even though the drug dealer has kids that means the cops are breaking up families right?

What’s the difference between that and deporting illegals who broke the law to come here?

I’m sick of the pandering. Hispanics or anyone else who came here the right way should be pretty p!ssed off about this pandering and amnesty garbage.

LevinFan on April 19, 2012 at 3:05 PM

There is no way in hell they’re 5th generation! They’re all 1st generation.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:00 PM

OK, the entire Obama family except the kids and that thing married to Zero.

CorporatePiggy on April 19, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Our legislature passed SB1070 because the Federal government wasn’t enforcing Federal law.

What SB1070 does is what ICE should be be doing.

That’s it. If the Feds go back to following the law of the land, SB1070 isn’t needed.

The laws of our nation should be the example for our nation.

ExUrbanKevin on April 19, 2012 at 3:06 PM

In recent weeks, Rubio has started countering the criticism by proposing an alternative that would allow these children to obtain legal status but not citizenship.

because once a person has legal status, he/she CAN NOT get citizenship ,
right Rubio ?

burrata on April 19, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Anyone still stupid enough to believe that Rubio is a conservative? He sure looked like one next to Orange Charlie, but the Tea Party flare is long forgotten. He’s being shaped into a better-tanned version of Bush Senior.

And for Pete’s sake, stop thinking that Rubio would make a good VP. He won’t bring in Hispanic vote because Mexicans and Ricans don’t even see him as Hispanic, he is a powerful libertarian-vote repellent due to his SOPA sponsorship debacle, and Florida will be a lost case anyway when Axelrod unleashes his MediScare ad barrage. Pretty much every other non-Bush candidate whose name was aired – yes, even Christie, though I’d rather see him running New Jersey or Dept of Justice – will be better as VP candidate.

Archivarix on April 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM

He’s right, of course.

There are only a few states in which the critical-mass population of illegal immigrants has given rise to rampant gang violence, kidnappings, the drug trade, and the like. Arizona happens to be one of them.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Doesn’t matter if the fed refuses to enforce federal law for political purposes.
I would also take issue with the conclusion this is strictly a border state issue. The tentacles spread rapidly. We have MS-13 gangs and major illegal drug problems in the heartland.

a capella on April 19, 2012 at 3:09 PM

There goes Sean Vannity now praising Rubio right now.

Who cares about the Dream Act right Sean?

Why not go with someone who really has balls for VP in Allen West?

LevinFan on April 19, 2012 at 3:09 PM

You live in NY right? Try the kitchens of any restaurant.

CorporatePiggy on April 19, 2012 at 2:59 PM
There is no way in hell they’re 5th generation! They’re all 1st generation.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:00 PM

So you admit that NYC has an illegal immigrant problem.

RickB on April 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Couple this with his reverse – psychology Freudian slip and he’s never going to make POTUS let alone veep.

AH_C on April 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Anyone still stupid enough to believe that Rubio is a conservative?

Archivarix on April 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Can we stop accusing people on our side of not being conservative enough to “qualify as a conservative” if we disagree with them on a single issue? I disagree with Giuliani on abortion but I would say he he is a conservative.

thebrokenrattle on April 19, 2012 at 3:16 PM

So you admit that NYC has an illegal immigrant problem.

RickB on April 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM

The left doesn’t see it as a problem. They think the fact that the illegals have not yet been made citizens is the problem.

Monkeytoe on April 19, 2012 at 3:16 PM

We have MS-13 gangs and major illegal drug problems in the heartland.

a capella on April 19, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Which don’t exist anymore if you cut off the supply lines and flow of fresh criminals through the border states. Until CA, NM, TX, and AZ wrap a bandage around the wound, it’s not going to matter that Kansas cleans up the blood with a power-washer.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Me: How’s your foot, Marco?

Rubio: Which foot?

Me: The one you just blew a BIG, FRIGGIN’ HOLE in!

CurtZHP on April 19, 2012 at 3:18 PM

If Rubio is successful in building support for his proposal, he would be helping the GOP kick a potentially losing issue off the election-year table. Critics have said the proposal would create a permanent underclass.

So does that mean they don’t pay taxes either??? Because how can you be legal in this country, pay taxes but not given the right to vote? Talk about taxed, but not represented! Imagine that! The “legal status vs citizenship” nuance is TOTAL NONSENSE

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on April 19, 2012 at 3:18 PM

backstabbing at its finest! There is no other issue than immigration that gets my blood boiling! It’s just so f’n SIMPLE!!!

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on April 19, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Which don’t exist anymore if you cut off the supply lines and flow of fresh criminals through the border states. Until CA, NM, TX, and AZ wrap a bandage around the wound, it’s not going to matter that Kansas cleans up the blood with a power-washer.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:17 PM

MS-13 is everywhere. And most of them aren’t even illegals, so I don’t know how wrapping a bandage around the border would do anything to stop them or the drug problem. Unless you think meth isn’t cooked domestically.

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Deport the criminals first……no exceptions.

pacificcon on April 19, 2012 at 3:20 PM

From what I’ve read regarding possible items included in Rubio’s DREAM Act legislation, it would require that the individual have been brought to this nation when they were under 16 years old, be able to prove through school records, etc, that they have been here for five years, no felonies, and NO CHAIN MIGRATION. That’s why Rubio has included legal status in the form of a non citizen visa, rather than a permanent resident green card or citizenship. This would allow that individual to keep working or attending school and get a drivers license legally. The ‘student’, or illegal aliens serving in the military, would be able to apply later for permanent residence or for citizenship through the normal process.

Of course, none of this is written in stone yet and we still have to see Rubio’s final plan, which is rumored to be released very soon.

This sector of the illegal alien population is the one that garners the most sympathy from the average American. These people were brought to this nation as children and had no control over that and those serving our nation, in particular, are earning their legal status.

As to the parents, its my understanding that the status of the child in no way mitigates the parents illegality, and that the parents would still be subject to deportation under the law. Once that child reached the age of majority, the parent(s) would have to leave and apply for legal status in their own right if they wished to return to this nation. I believe that this is the best solution to a very difficult situation. The parents willfully shattered our federal immigration laws and, often, other laws as well, in order to remain and work in the United States and they should NOT be granted any preferential treatment under the law. They should have to return to their nation of origin and apply to re-enter this nation legally and suffer and penalties applicable to their particular case. The child should NOT be allowed to sponsor them or any other family members into the nation.

Currently, the Obama administration has waived the mandatory necessity to leave the nation while the illegal alien applies for legal status, which was a 3 year wait period before legal status could be granted for re-entry if the illegal aliens was in the nation illegally for 1 year or less, and a 10 year wait in the nation illegally for over 1 year.This bill was enacted in 1996 to discourage illegal immigration. Under this administration, the illegal alien can now apply for that legal status while remaining in the nation, and the 3 year and 10 year wait have been waived as well.

I would personally like to see the 1996 bill enforced again in tandem with what is rumored to be Rubio’s plan.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Stage One of Selling Out?

clippermiami on April 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM

So does that mean they don’t pay taxes either??? Because how can you be legal in this country, pay taxes but not given the right to vote? Talk about taxed, but not represented! Imagine that! The “legal status vs citizenship” nuance is TOTAL NONSENSE

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on April 19, 2012 at 3:18 PM

They can always go back to their home country.

Bitter Clinger on April 19, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I’m actually for a comprehensive solution to immigration however …

The laws aren’t being enforced and Arizona did the right thing. Why is Rubio even weighing in on this? He’s a Florida Senator and he’s welcomed to say … “Well, this law isn’t a model for FLORIDA”.

But when he says “the nation”? Of course it’s not a model for the nation – the nation already has laws, they just aren’t being enforced. So is Rubio saying it’s wrong for the FEDERAL government to pass it’s own “Arizona Law”? Duh … of course the Feds shouldn’t and they don’t need to. JUST ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS.

Where the F*** does Rubio stand on ENFORCING EXISTING LAWS?

Rubio is growing more and more incoherent by the day – and I know why.

It’s because the GOP establishment is playing “racial games” by giving the “brown boy” in the club some talking points to parrot to benefit them. Well I suppose he’s a better talking head than McConnell, Boehner and Cornyn are – or any of the other GOP Ayatollahs.

HondaV65 on April 19, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Your actions….your lack of personal responsibility will break up your family.

pacificcon on April 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

If the Feds would provide resources and enforce the current laws, Arizona would not need their immigration laws. Arizona is just doing what the constitution says the Fed should do …. protect our borders.

TerryW on April 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

There are only a few states in which the critical-mass population of illegal immigrants has given rise to rampant gang violence, kidnappings, the drug trade, and the like. Arizona happens to be one of them.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Just a few
- Arizona
- California
- Nevada
- Utah
- Colorado
- Georgia
- North Carolina
- Florida

But aside from those places, illgal alien gang activity is barely noticed. Well except in NY, NJ, VA, PA. But really aside from that handful of states which makes up less than 2% of the US population, not even on the radar.

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Unless you think meth isn’t cooked domestically.

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Of course it is. By Hispanic MS-13 people, white trash rednecks, black drug dealers, all sorts of people who live in the breadbasket.

That’s an illegal drug problem, not an immigration problem. An Arizona-style law would do nothing to quell it.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

You forgot MO, and IL, and……

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM

That’s an illegal drug problem, not an immigration problem. An Arizona-style law would do nothing to quell it.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Then why did you say a “bandage around the wound(border)” would fix the ms-13 and illegal drug problems?

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM

That’s an illegal drug problem, not an immigration problem. An Arizona-style law would do nothing to quell it.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM

It’s like saying drinking and driving is a car problem not a drunk driver problem.

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Rubio can go fork himself. This is the same idiot who supported the Libyan “rebels”.

VorDaj on April 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Then why did you say a “bandage around the wound(border)” would fix the ms-13 and illegal drug problems?

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM

I didn’t say that, or rather, I didn’t mean to imply that a fix in the border states would solve those problems completely or instantly.

My overall point was that big crime problems exist in the border states, and only osmote to the heartland if not stopped there. You make the point that many MS-13 folks aren’t illegals. That’s true, and it also means that they’d be untouchable even by the strongest immigration law written.

People aren’t getting kinapped and ranchers aren’t getting murdered in large numbers in Nebraska. That just isn’t happening.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Rubio can go fork himself. This is the same idiot who supported the Libyan “rebels”.

VorDaj on April 19, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Rubio is articulate, but increasingly his words and actions are those of an out-and-out Rino.

Oh well, the party is about dead anyway. Maybe when the GOP runs Jeb Bush in 2016 folks will get serious about forming a real opposition party.

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Just another GOP pussy. These clowns come out of the woodwork.

Gregor on April 19, 2012 at 3:39 PM

This man may make a fine US Senator……BUT let’s leave
him there…….

ToddPA on April 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Will the Mexicans get the same deal as the Cubans on reaching the US Senator Rubio?

pacificcon on April 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM

What is the fascination here with Rubio?

He’s a swell guy, but let’s be honest, once he decides to lose the comb-over and go full bald, he’ll be an afterthought on the political landscape.

michaelthomas on April 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Really disappointed in Rubio.
Even sent him money a few years back when he was running for Senate.

So eloquent giving a speech on the floor of the House.
Then waffles on the votes that matter to Conservatives.

He sounds like a Dem not wanting an ID check when you vote.
So, you’re saying you want to cheat and not win fair and square, pandering to Latinos, your favorite group instead of the Black?

Next!

Typicalwhitewoman on April 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM

So you admit that NYC has an illegal immigrant problem.

RickB on April 19, 2012 at 3:14 PM

We have tons of illegals, but we don’t consider it much of a problem. Their children go to school no questions asked, through college, and thus have the opportunity to become productive members of our community. We love our immigrants here, even the undocumented ones.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:47 PM

We love our immigrants here, even the undocumented ones.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:47 PM

“Undocumented”? You can not even be honest about it or you would say illegal. You are not to be taken seriously.

VorDaj on April 19, 2012 at 3:52 PM

A.Secure the border. And I mean secure the border. No virtual BS.
B.Solid wall. Anti-vehicle ditch with a two tier section of chain link fence.
C.On top of the wall, motion detection sensors with flood lights and cameras.
•Got a 21 foot ladder for my 20 foot wall? See Point D.
•If fences don’t work then why do prisons have them? Why does the White House?
D.Using existing automated technology, paintball type guns which shoot tear gas powder pellets.
•If you approach and climb over the first layer of fence guess what you get a face full of?
•Maybe mix a fluorescent paint pellet to make finding the person in the dark easier and safer.
E.Establish patrol command centers from which border agents can monitor a section of the border from safety.
F.Fast action patrols from centralized helicopter pads to deal with people that don’t get the message.
G.For the green types, use of solar energy in the SW empty expanses.
H.Expand size of legal border crossing points.
I.Best of all, $1 per head coming AND going (huge revenue upside on holiday & spring break weekends)
•Fees and fines (pt K) go into a border maintenance fund…..in perpetuity. This way future politicians’ can’t raid the fund.
J.Hire a VISA/MasterCard type to establish an National ID checking system.
K.Hire a company to handle the visa requests.
L.ENFORCE THE LAW (no exceptions)
•1st offense….fine.
•2nd offense…larger fine and some free negative advertising (The State of AZ does it to drunk drivers)
•3rd offense….massive fine and continued random monitoring (The State of AZ does it bars to spot check the no smoking law)
M.Any illegal ALIENS apprehended get deported.
*This is my plan subject to add’l add on features.

I’m tired of hearing of about we can’t do this and we can’t do that. I say BS! If we put a guy on the frakkin moon then we can secure our borders. This makes it safer for our nation, our families and will create new job opportunities for legal residents. This will also decrease the massive amounts of amounts of social services and payments being paid out.

“Anchor babies?” Guess what? The child still retains their citizenship and the child can stay in the US but if mom/dad leaves then the family has to make a choice. Sorry if that sounds harsh but the parents made a decision to break the law and then hoped we would be candy asses and allow them to stay. What do we do if the media shows a family “being torn apart?” How about running some clips of the degradation of schools, hospitals and the environment due to illegal ALIEN activity.

If we have the courage of our convictions to enforce our borders and laws then this problem will sort itself out. Our countries enforce their border, why are we the “BAD GUYS” for wanting to do the same?

America has a path to citizenship already. FOLLOW IT!

Return home, come through the front door when invited and I will be there with a smile and handshake to greet and welcome you into this great nation.

VikingGoneWild on April 19, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Isn’t the Arizona law based on federal law(unenforced), and thus already law of the land? I dislike Rubio more and more every time he opens his mouth.

DFCtomm on April 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

We have tons of illegals, but we don’t consider it much of a problem. Their children go to school no questions asked, through college, and thus have the opportunity to become productive members of our community. We love our immigrants here, even the undocumented ones.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Try having a sibling get killed by an illegal drunk driver leaving 3 young boys fatherless and maybe you’ll change your tune on loving your “undocumented immigrant.” Not to mention breaking the news to your elderly parents. Tragically, I speak from experience. And I agree with the comment above, Rubio can go fork himself. Alas, the RINO shows his true colors.

TxAnn56 on April 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

How could you leave out TX?

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM

VorDaj on April 19, 2012 at 3:52 PM

People aren’t illegal – actions are. Their undocumented status means that they’re breaking a particular law, but they are people regardless. We tend to choose to treat them as such, and it works out well.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM

“undocumented” is bull-caca.

They are illegal aliens.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2012 at 3:56 PM

TxAnn56 on April 19, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Drunk drivers kill people all the time, regardless of their immigration status. I’m not going to hold every undocumented immigrant as guilty of vehicular homicide, and neither should you. Too much hate in the heart does terrible things to the body.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

People aren’t getting kinapped and ranchers aren’t getting murdered in large numbers in Nebraska. That just isn’t happening.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 3:38 PM

http://www.fbi.gov/atlanta/press-releases/2010/at030410.htm

You were saying….

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

We tend to choose to treat them as such, and it works out well.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM

No it doesn’t, “work out well”. They have bankrupt myriad of states.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Can we stop accusing people on our side of not being conservative enough to “qualify as a conservative” if we disagree with them on a single issue? I disagree with Giuliani on abortion but I would say he he is a conservative.

thebrokenrattle on April 19, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Single issue?! Can you give me any issue (outside the boilerplate social con) on which Rubio was in sync with the Tea Party? He is as much of an empty suit as our Dog-Eater in Chief, just with a different shade of tan and a much prettier wife.

Archivarix on April 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

I should say that the politicians who pander to them have bankrupt the states.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Given the money we spent on “Stimulus” couldn’t we have built a 100 foot high re-enforced concrete wall from the Gulf to the Pacific? That would show those Pinko-Commie Chinese a thing or two about walls!

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Mitt will come out with his own DREAM act.

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Rubio will NOT be his VP.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM

“MS-13 is a ruthless street gang that has used violence to spread fear throughout our community,” said Sally Quillian Yates, Acting United States Attorney. “These gang members seized every chance they had to kill, shoot and rob. They were not only devoted to wiping out rival gangs, but they showed no hesitation in robbing and shooting innocent victims. Now these gang members have to answer for their criminal behavior. Today’s indictment is the product of tremendous cooperation between federal agents and local law enforcement officers. Because of our intensive collaboration to bring these violent gang members to justice, residents in Gwinnett and DeKalb Counties are safer.”

Yeah, MS-13 doesn’t affect anyone near the border. Well except in suburban Atlanta.

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 3:59 PM

We love our immigrants here, even the undocumented ones.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Some people love their undocumented pharmacists and the Secret Service loves their undocumented girlfriends but that doesn’t make it LEGAL or right!

When this negatively impacts your life maybe you will change your tune. Since you’re not on the roads in AZ with these people maybe you don’t have to worry about it.

VikingGoneWild on April 19, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Too much hate in the heart does terrible things to the body.

ernesto on April 19, 2012 at 3:57 PM

I wish I had more time, because I think this statement deserves a ernesto cracker hit parade of hatelful comments. Can someone who has more time dig up some of his solid gold quotes?

DFCtomm on April 19, 2012 at 3:59 PM

KingGold…VA is on the border right?

http://www.fbi.gov/washingtondc/press-releases/2010/wfo060410c.htm

ALEXANDRIA, VA—MS-13 member Alcides Umaña, 23 years old, resident of Arlington, was sentenced today to 240 months in prison for murdering a pimp during the robbery of the pimp and a prostitute in Alexandria, Virginia on July 29, 2009.

Neil H. MacBride, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia; Shawn Henry, Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI Washington Field Office; and Earl L. Cook, Alexandria Chief of Police, made the announcement.

“This senseless death demonstrates the violence and fear that gangs can spread in the community,” said U.S. Attorney MacBride. “We are determined, along with the FBI, to put MS-13 out of business and believe that severe sentences like the one handed down today will aid that goal.”

“The violence that criminal gangs threaten will not be tolerated,” said FBI Assistant Director in Charge Henry. “Gangs attempting to instill fear will be dismantled, and they will not terrorize our communities.”

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Mitt will come out with his own DREAM act.

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Rubio will NOT be his VP.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2012 at 3:58 PM

And Mittens will try to play his “Regional Cap and Trade” scheme again too, though he’ll probably wait til after the election before he tries pushing it.

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 4:00 PM

So, Rubio can pander to ILLEGALS just like a d-cRAT socialist. That’s rather any easy trick.

TeaPartyNation on April 19, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Not to worry. According to KingGold this never happened since MS-13 violence is only an issue in Arizona.

BALTIMORE — A Honduran national residing in Randallstown, Md., wanted in his native country for homicide and robbery was arrested Monday by officers from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) and the U.S. Marshals Service (USMS).

“Removing known gang members and criminal aliens from our streets is an ERO priority in maintaining the safety and quality of life that the citizens of Maryland expect,” said Calvin McCormick, field office director for ERO Baltimore. “This arrest should serve as a reminder to foreign fugitives who mistakenly believe they can elude justice by fleeing to the U.S. ERO will continue to work closely with our law enforcement partners, both domestic and abroad, not only to ensure that criminals are held accountable for their actions, but to safeguard the rights of law-abiding citizens here and overseas.”

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM

It’s fairly obvious that a national border should be regulated by the national government. They aren’t doing it.

Red Cloud on April 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM

You are fighting the last war, not this one. Current immigration across the Mexican border is a net zero. Mexicans aren’t coming to the US in droves like they used to. If fact, many are moving back to Mexico. The economy is growing faster than ours and unemployment is lower. Mexico is becoming a middle class country.

The fastest increase in illegal immigration is currently from Asia from people arriving on legitimate visas and simply staying.

They have an uncle that owns a convenience store or motel or something, they work in the business for food on the table and have a better standard of living than they had in China or India or wherever.

crosspatch on April 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Just a few
- Arizona
- California
- Nevada
- Utah
- Colorado
- Georgia
- North Carolina
- Florida

But aside from those places, illgal alien gang activity is barely noticed. Well except in NY, NJ, VA, PA. But really aside from that handful of states which makes up less than 2% of the US population, not even on the radar.

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Don’t forget New Mexico. Of course people DO get confused, because it has Mexico in the state name, they figure it isn’t part of the USA.

LegendHasIt on April 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Democrats have been zealously attacking Republican opposition to the DREAM Act, potentially popular legislation that would grant citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants who go to college or enroll in the military.

The GOP should ask Obama and the Dems why they didn’t pass the Dream Act when they had a filibuster proof majority. The mask has come off of Marco Rubio to reveal that he’s just another RINO.

RedRobin145 on April 19, 2012 at 4:05 PM

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Oh, my! Ethnic groups in some poor communities in large cities take to crime? And that can be solved with mass deportation? I can’t wait to hear your proposed strategy to deal with the Crips and Bloods, then.

And for the record, if you could excerpt the parts in those articles that mention the immigration status of the criminals, I’d appreciate it. As Buckshot Bill helpfully reminds us, a large portion of MS-13 is perfectly within their rights to be here.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I believe Arizona law mirrors US law, so it already is a model for the nation. It’s just not being ENFORCED at the national level.
So what exactly is Rubio talking about?

kit dinker on April 19, 2012 at 4:07 PM

So we are going to go with the Oklahoma or Alabama model?

Dr Evil on April 19, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Heh. I remember when Oklahoma passed their law there was this blaring news report on ABC WORLD News about it would decimate the construction industry in Oklahoma and leave jobs unfilled. Oklahoma has one of, if not the lowest unemployment rates in the country.

SouthernGent on April 19, 2012 at 4:07 PM

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Rereading his earlier comments, I think KingGold thinks MS-13 is a mexican drug cartel or something similar. As I recall their actually based out of Los Angeles and have a lot of people in San Salvador due to some of the illegal alien gang members being deported back to their native country. Around here in MO, most gang members are the kids of local migrant workers, and most of them were born in the USA.

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 4:07 PM

19 April 1975, my wife a former U S Navy employee and Vietnamese citizen, who risked her life while we were in combat and had a death warrant out for her as an American collaborator, our then two children (who had State Department Birth Certificates and American passports) and I (most ancestry Colonial American) were evacuated from Sai Gon to a refugee camp in the PI. Later we were flown to America where my wife went through the 5 year process, waiting in the same endless lines as everyone else, to become an American Citizen.

I strongly support immigration. America would be a lot worse place with out people like my wife. That said, failure to control our borders is national suicide. Rubio struck a fair balance.

Linh_My on April 19, 2012 at 4:08 PM

But aside from those places, illgal alien gang activity is barely noticed. Well except in NY, NJ, VA, PA. But really aside from that handful of states which makes up less than 2% of the US population, not even on the radar.

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 3:27 PM

New Jersey alone is more than 2% of US population, and we got plenty of gang activity to be building a new state jail. Learn to lie more smoothly. You have traded a math course for Vagino-American Studies in college, haven’t you?

Archivarix on April 19, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Archivarix on April 19, 2012 at 4:09 PM

He was being sarcastic actually. I think.

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 4:11 PM

VikingGoneWild on April 19, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Well there goes that whole “decreasing spending” idea. You have any idea how much all of that would cost to build, much less maintain and staff? We almost assuredly spend less just dealing with them the way we do now, and actually get tax revenues from them in sales and various other taxes.

I think the larger point is, when you’re coming to the idea of building militarized walls and barriers between people something is wrong. Things even the best fence in the world won’t fix.

Boomer_Sooner on April 19, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 4:07 PM

I never said nor implied that MS-13 was equivalent to the Zetas or the like. But to say they neither increase their ranks nor profit from illegal activity that occurs primarily in the border states (that’s primarily, angryed, not exclusively) is wrongheaded.

And furthermore, you brought them up in the first place, ostensibly making the argument that a national Arizona-style law that empowers police to arrest based on suspicion of illegal status in connection with another crime, would somehow help here.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 4:12 PM

New Jersey alone is more than 2% of US population, and we got plenty of gang activity to be building a new state jail. Learn to lie more smoothly. You have traded a math course for Vagino-American Studies in college, haven’t you?

Archivarix on April 19, 2012 at 4:09 PM

God you’re thick if you couldn’t see the face that

1. I was being sarcastic
and
2. I am on your side on this debate

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 4:12 PM

So does that mean they don’t pay taxes either??? Because how can you be legal in this country, pay taxes but not given the right to vote?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on April 19, 2012 at 3:18 PM

You can be a greencard holder (or holder of many other legal work visas).

Numbnuts.

CorporatePiggy on April 19, 2012 at 4:14 PM

God you’re thick if you couldn’t see the face that

1. I was being sarcastic
and
2. I am on your side on this debate

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 4:12 PM

I’ll grant you that – I missed the sarcasm. Sorry. But unless you’re actively lobbying to grant seasonal hunting licenses for illegal aliens, you are not on my side of the debate. :)

Archivarix on April 19, 2012 at 4:16 PM

I never said nor implied that MS-13 was equivalent to the Zetas or the like. But to say they neither increase their ranks nor profit from illegal activity that occurs primarily in the border states (that’s primarily, angryed, not exclusively) is wrongheaded.

And furthermore, you brought them up in the first place, ostensibly making the argument that a national Arizona-style law that empowers police to arrest based on suspicion of illegal status in connection with another crime, would somehow help here.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 4:12 PM

I wasn’t actually criticizing you or anything, just rereading your earlier comments and you seemed to misunderstand what MS-13 was. You seemed to imply that securing the border would put a stop to MS-13 and the illegal drug problem, which it won’t obviously.

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 4:18 PM

I have to agree with Ernesto on this. I doubt there are many 2nd or higher generation illegals who can’t speak Spanish. I’m sure there are some, but it has to be a very small minority.
Monkeytoe on April 19, 2012 at 3:04 PM

The real issue isn’t “can’t speak English”; the real issue is “can’t adapt to a free market, self-reliant lifestyle independent of government largesse.

I can show you entire family trees that fit that description. It’s a cultural problem, not a language problem.

Cleombrotus on April 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM

I’ll grant you that – I missed the sarcasm. Sorry. But unless you’re actively lobbying to grant seasonal hunting licenses for illegal aliens, you are not on my side of the debate. :)

Archivarix on April 19, 2012 at 4:16 PM

You want to give illegals seasonal hunting licenses?!

Or do you want to hunt illegals?

Buckshot Bill on April 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Oh, my! Ethnic groups in some poor communities in large cities take to crime? And that can be solved with mass deportation? I can’t wait to hear your proposed strategy to deal with the Crips and Bloods, then.

KingGold on April 19, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Nice straw man. Please point to where I advocated mass deportation.

So because there are native born gangs like the crips and bloods, we shouldn’t do anything about foreign born gang members? Like it or not MS-13 is a gang comprised mainly (not exclusively) of illegal aliens. And your assertion that MS-13 is only an issue in AZ or other border areas is ridiculous as the FBI reports I posted show.

Why do you suppose ICE was involved in this? Hmmm maybe because this animal is an illegal alien?

An MS-13 gang member was arrested in Baltimore County on Monday in connection with a murder in Honduras, federal authorities announced.

Oscar Orlando Amador Centano, a 29-year-old Honduran national, was taken into custody at his home in Randallstown after illegally re-entering the U.S., Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said in a news release.

angryed on April 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Rubio-just another dissapointment to conservatives.Romney has planted the moderate flag on top of the hill and all the pseudo conservatives are running up the hill as fast as their unprincipled party-hack asses can carry them.Stay home in November! The GOP must be destroyed if we are ever to stop the Progressive/Socialists!

redware on April 19, 2012 at 4:23 PM

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