Obama threatens veto of highway bill over Keystone XL pipeline

posted at 9:16 am on April 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Time for another showdown over energy policy.  House Republicans included a provision in the new highway bill extension (five months) that would force the Obama administration to approve the complete construction of the Keystone XL pipeline.  The White House reacted about as well as one would imagine:

The White House on Tuesday threatened to veto House legislation to extend transportation programs because it contains GOP language that mandates approval of the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline.

The House is slated to vote Wednesday on the bill that keeps the transportation programs funded through September, the end of the fiscal year.

It would take permitting of the proposed Alberta-to-Texas pipeline away from the State Department and task the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission with approving the project.

“Because this bill circumvents a longstanding and proven process for determining whether cross-border pipelines are in the national interest by mandating the permitting of the Keystone XL pipeline before a new route has been submitted and assessed, the president’s senior advisers would recommend that he veto this legislation,” the White House said in a formal “statement of administration policy” Tuesday afternoon.

A “proven process”?  Congress has had to push the Obama administration into action more than once to get the approval in place.  They forced Obama to issue a denial at the beginning of the year, although Obama later had to lobby the Senate to keep the rejection in place.  When that turned out to be unpopular, Obama began talking up the pipeline, ostentatiously “approving” a part of the pipeline construction that didn’t need federal approval anyway.

Time is running out on American interest in Canada’s oil-sands product.  The media in the US didn’t cover the so-called “Three Amigos” summit, but Investors Business Daily kept up with the Canadian papers, which did cover Stephen Harper’s warnings to Obama on obstructionism over Keystone:

Energy has become a searing rift between the U.S. and Canada and threatens to leave the U.S. without its top energy supplier.

The Winnipeg Free Press reported that Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper warned Obama the U.S. will have to pay market prices for its Canadian oil after Obama’s de facto veto of the Keystone XL pipeline. Canada is preparing to sell its oil to China.

Until now, NAFTA had shielded the U.S. from having to pay global prices for Canadian oil. That’s about to change.

In other words, just as the White House has to come up with a strategy for dealing with increasing prices at the pump, they’re actively ensuring that prices will go up even higher.  That’s not exactly smart, nor is it “smart power.”

On the other hand, perhaps the highway bill should be vetoed — but not because of the Keystone XL issue:

The Republican House of Representatives may soon follow the Democratic Senate and give the IRS the power to confiscate your passport on mere suspicion of owing taxes. There’s no place like home, comrade.

‘America, Love It Or Leave It” might be an obsolete slogan if the “bipartisan transportation bill” that just passed the Senate is approved by the House and becomes law. Contained within the suspiciously titled “Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act,” or “MAP 21,” is a provision that gives the Internal Revenue Service the power to keep U.S. citizens from leaving the country if it finds that they owe $50,000 or more in unpaid taxes — no court ruling necessary.

It is hard to imagine any law more reminiscent of the Soviet Union that America toppled, or its Eastern Bloc slave satellites.

Passports only get confiscated by courts, usually only when a flight risk is established.  Do we want bureaucrats making those decisions with no recourse to normal due process, especially over civil issues of tax bills?  If the IRS thinks that a taxpayer in arrears is a flight risk, let them go to a judge to get an order for passport seizure, a process that at least affords a citizen the right to challenge the accusation and defend himself before a disinterested third party.  This is a bad idea, and House Republicans should insist that it get stripped from the highway bill before sending it to the President.


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Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Ah yes, Another “caring liberal, ” anxious to help the poor, who are disproportionally affected by high energy prices. Everything goes up when gasoline does. Electricity rates, food prices, consumer goods, etc.

You wouldn’t be angling for a new government program to “subsidize” the poor for those things now would you? Of course you are!

Curmudgeon on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

But didn’t your hero Willard McMittens say Obama has no control over the price of gas? Why yes, yes he did. So he has no control over it, but we’ll blame the black man nonetheless.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

You wouldn’t be angling for a new government program to “subsidize” the poor for those things now would you? Of course you are!

Curmudgeon on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Not at all. I don’t want anything subsidized. Including oil/gas.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Urbanite elites were the big dummies in January, now rural people are the big dummies. Faking it now, or faking it then?

forest on April 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Need a fat lady to sing.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

When will the GOP rename itself officially to the Luddite Party?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

This from the group that wants to return to windmills. No irony there. No sirree.

esr1951 on April 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

The key to effective trolling is to make statements that are offensive but not utterly idiotic. The former elicits the anger you seek. The latter, laughter.

Fail.

EddieC on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

you are boring me. And the rest of this group it appears.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

This from the group that wants to return to windmills. No irony there. No sirree.

esr1951 on April 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Why do you people hate clean air with such a passion? Is it a Jesus thing? I really don’t get it.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

But didn’t your hero Willard McMittens say Obama has no control over the price of gas? Why yes, yes he did. So he has no control over it, but we’ll blame the black man nonetheless.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

And you are injecting race into this why?

Oh, that’s right when one of you commies are on the losing side of an argument you just call anyone who disagrees with you a racist, or a homophobe, or something.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Some states do that now with child support.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

No moral equivalence. Apples and oranges.

Why do we need personal computers when we have perfectly good typewriters available?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Please identify energy’s equivalent of a personal computer. And when were the prices of typewriters increased to such an extent that Americans clamored for the deveopment of personal computers.

BuckeyeSam on April 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

But didn’t your hero Willard McMittens say Obama has no control over the price of gas? Why yes, yes he did. So he has no control over it, but we’ll blame the black man nonetheless.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Do you really think if President Kerry had been perusing the same energy policies we wouldn’t be blaming the white man? Sheesh. Get a grip dude — wacky energy policies on the left traverse all races, creeds and colors.

jon1979 on April 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Why do you people hate clean air with such a passion? Is it a Jesus thing? I really don’t get it.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Why do liberal, like yourself, hate anything that actually makes energy?

You can’t have some certain energies (like wind) without paying out the nose for it, and THEN having to buy a battery bank that can cost thousands and thousands of dollars.

You are all hypocrites. Solara… that worked out great, didn’t it.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

And you are injecting race into this why?

Oh, that’s right when one of you commies are on the losing side of an argument you just call anyone who disagrees with you a racist, or a homophobe, or something.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

What other explanation is there? Your boy Romney said on live TV, Obama cannot control the price of gas. Yet here you all are blaming Obama for the price of gas.

So if it’s not his race, what is it?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

But didn’t your hero Willard McMittens say Obama has no control over the price of gas? Why yes, yes he did. So he has no control over it, but we’ll blame the black man nonetheless.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Can we also blame the white man? After all, Barry is just as much white as he is black–or as Reuters would put it: a “white African-American”.

Nutstuyu on April 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Why do you people hate clean air with such a passion? Is it a Jesus thing? I really don’t get it.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM
why don’t you jump off a very tall cliff and on the way down you can suck up all the clean air you can fit in your piehole. i will thank Jesus for it.

GhoulAid on April 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

But didn’t your hero Willard McMittens say Obama has no control over the price of gas? Why yes, yes he did. So he has no control over it, but we’ll blame the black man nonetheless.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

I agree with Happy Nomad. Your injection of race makes no sense whatsoever. I now see you for what you are.

BuckeyeSam on April 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I think most people who trade in the V10 p/u for a Camry quickly discover they get from pt A to pt B just as easily at 1/3 of the gas cost. And I think they’re quite content. My daily driver gets about 35 MPGs. Whether gas is $2 or $5 really doesn’t impact me in a meaningful way. I also have a monster SUV that I keep around if I need to haul something or tow something. And with that thing, 1 short trip and I think, Jesus this cost me $20 in gas. It would be utterly insane of me to have that be my main commuting vehicle. That’s the model of the future IMO, a sensible car for day to day use and the p/u or SUV as the “when I need it” vehicle.

Oh YEAH !! Thats the answer. Buy a second car !
Wish I thought of that one.

Jabberwock on April 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Solara… that worked out great, didn’t it.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

What do patio covers have to do with any of this?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Please Please Please Veto Keystone :)

Conservative4ev on April 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

you are boring me. And the rest of this group it appears.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I’m done with him. The dog thread yesterday was amusing, but now it’s getting old. And it’s fake, making it even less interesting.

forest on April 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Oh YEAH !! Thats the answer. Buy a second car !
Wish I thought of that one.

Jabberwock on April 18, 2012 at 9:59 AM

It’ll pay for itself in no time with the gas savings. I know math is hard for flyover country types but trust me on this.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

So Angryed finally went off the deep end?

jawkneemusic on April 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Internal Revenue Service the power to keep U.S. citizens from leaving the country if it finds that they owe $50,000 or more in unpaid taxes — no court ruling necessary.

Remember when everyone made fun of Ron Paul for suggesting walls would be used to keep US citizens inside….

ChrisL on April 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM

I’m done with him. The dog thread yesterday was amusing, but now it’s getting old. And it’s fake, making it even less interesting.

forest on April 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

he seems like an individual in college… young and stupid. Only to be blinded by dumber people around him.

I am with you. Done, stick a fork in him.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM

you are boring me. And the rest of this group it appears.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I’m done with him. The dog thread yesterday was amusing, but now it’s getting old. And it’s fake, making it even less interesting.

forest on April 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Now you’re catching on.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 10:03 AM

I’ve said this before, but again :
Gas taxes are a huge source of revenue for both states and Fed.
Lower gas usage, lower revenue.
How is revenue gap corrected ?

Jabberwock on April 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Why do we need personal computers when we have perfectly good typewriters available?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Really? That’s your argument? I seem to forget the part where the government forced the typewriter manufacturers out of business by making their product unaffordable or “leveling the market” by making computers as affordable.

RedinPDRM on April 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Why do you hate humans with a passion?

OldEnglish on April 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Not at all. I don’t want anything subsidized. Including oil/gas.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

What “subsidies”?

They receive nothing more than any other Corporation, or person…

Identify what you think it is subsidy unique to the oil or gas industry.

Let’s see if you know anything about what you are whining about.

right2bright on April 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

For decades the federal government has held states hostage with the threat of with holding funds unless the states adopted regulations the feds wanted in place (motorcycle laws, 21 drinking age, 55 mph speed limit, and so on). So it is amusing to watch Congress do the same thing to the president. He doesn’t like it any better than the states liked it.

suehimel on April 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

There was an article this morning on pjmedia about pres clinton and obama not being able to get a security clearance if they weren’t president. The article and the responses have been pulled off their site. Hmmmmmmm.

Bambi on April 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Why do you people hate clean air with such a passion? Is it a Jesus thing? I really don’t get it.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Well, let’s see: Jesus did
- pollute water (turned perfectly potable water into rancid grape juice)
- deliberately litter and destroy property (the temple tirade)
- manipulate the food supply (feeding the 4k/5k)
- cause drastic weather changes (storm on Sea of Gal.)
- apparently spilled so much oil that he and Peter could walk on water
- polute the air and put people’s health at risk by raising dead people (who had already started decaying)
- cause earthquakes and block sunlight when he “gave up his ghost” (apparently his disciples were engaged in fracking)

So yeah, I guess it’s a Jesus thing. Mohammed on the other hand, well, he was too busy having sex with 9 year olds to care about the environment.

Nutstuyu on April 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Remember back when everyone was like “don’t piss off the Paultards, we need them on the general”? That was pretty funny.

bernverdnardo1 on April 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

When will the GOP rename itself officially to the Luddite Party?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

OK, this person, assuming he’s real, considers himself a cut above everybody else. He’s smart, has everything figured out, and (most importantly) has enough money not to suffer.

Anything that we don’t have now, or doesn’t seem to work now (for good reason), is to be desired, regardless of its effects. Anyone who can’t see that is a “Luddite.” This individual is a deep believer in “All Change is Good, Whether It Works or Not.”

I tab this person as young, with more money than he deserves – but he thinks he has it because he actually deserves it.

If anyone suffers, it’s because, he believes, they simply aren’t as smart as he is.

Sure, he has a gas guzzling p/u or SUV – but unlike the rest of us morons, he’s smart enough not to use it except when necessary. No one can put two and two together like he can.

As for food and everything else costing more? Well, people deserve to suffer. Because they aren’t as clever as he (thinks he) is. Why, none of this will affect him at all. He’s a winnah!

Yep, he’s young. (Or never matured at all.)

Alana on April 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

This from the group that wants to return to windmills. No irony there. No sirree.

esr1951 on April 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM
Why do you people hate clean air with such a passion? Is it a Jesus thing? I really don’t get it.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Yes, because not wanting a farm of a hundred windmills humming and vibrating incessantly in your inner eardrum, keeping you from sleeping or having any peaceful rest in your home at any time, day or night, is against having clean air.
Currently, no feasible large scale electric generation is cleaner on the air than…….nuclear and the rabid democrat party has waged a jihad against nuclear power plants for decades.

Why have democrats hates clean air so much for so long?
Is it a low IQ thing? I really don’t get it.

smfic on April 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

What other explanation is there? Your boy Romney said on live TV, Obama cannot control the price of gas. Yet here you all are blaming Obama for the price of gas.

So if it’s not his race, what is it?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Yet, Obama, himself feels differently. He is on record as blaming Bush for high gas prices and I would be very, very happy to supply a link if you wish. Now, the nature of your posts would suggest to me you would never defer Obama’s better judgement to Romney’s more naive statements.

DaveDief on April 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Now that angryed has entered liberal4life territory, it is time to ignore him.

McDuck on April 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Hey Ed, you know what I think would be interesting? For you to interview Brian Sussman about his new book, Eco-Tyranny: How the Left’s Green Agenda will Dismantle America. It says about the left’s green hoax what many here have been saying, and the book will help expose the scam.

Come to think of it, likewise for Senator Inhofe and his new book, The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future

petefrt on April 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

So he has no control over it, but we’ll blame the black man nonetheless.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

I have officially given up on you, Ed. I can deal with angry, but gratuitous race-baiting is a whole ‘nother story.

Fallon on April 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM

It’ll pay for itself in no time with the gas savings. I know math is hard for flyover country types but trust me on this.
angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

I see you missed the study to stated gas would need to be $12.50 a gallon to make owning or buying an electric care worth it.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I first suspected.

jawkneemusic on April 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM

I am with you. Done, stick a fork in him.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Yep, it’s confirmed. Angryed’s a phony, a complete fake. Ignore it and watch it screech for attention!

Trafalgar on April 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Why do you people hate clean air with such a passion? Is it a Jesus thing? I really don’t get it.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Why do you people hate birds with such a passion? Is it a Jesus thing? I really don’t get it.

esr1951 on April 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I’ve said this before, but again :
Gas taxes are a huge source of revenue for both states and Fed.
Lower gas usage, lower revenue.
How is revenue gap corrected ?

Jabberwock on April 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Now, now. “Fairness” is the word of the day. Revenue doesn’t really matter to Obama. He’ll just borrow whatever he wants to spend. Tax policy is based on fairness.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

It’ll pay for itself in no time with the gas savings. I know math is hard for flyover country types but trust me on this.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

No way ! Cars are a liability. Pure and simple.
There is no way a car can “Pay for itself”
No matter what you do, they cost money.
Having a second one doesn’t help.
My math is just fine, thank you.

Jabberwock on April 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I really don’t get it.
angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

I imagine you’re pretty used to that by now.

tommyboy on April 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

I see you missed the study to stated gas would need to be $12.50 a gallon to make owning or buying an electric care worth it.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I first suspected.

jawkneemusic on April 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM

these morons always seem to forget that when gas prices go up.. so does your natural gas and electric bill… so why would owning a car that has a tendency to catch your house on fire be worth it?

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

I know math is hard for flyover country types but trust me on this.
angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

That’s why I majored in music and now make well over six figures. Just sayin’.

Nutstuyu on April 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Wow. You really are this stupid. Ernesto and Cr6 aren’t the only idiots that troll here

irishinfidel on April 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

What other explanation is there? Your boy Romney said on live TV, Obama cannot control the price of gas. Yet here you all are blaming Obama for the price of gas.

So if it’s not his race, what is it?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Funny how you tried to present yourself as an ABR-type. I guess you’ve dropped that pretense, eh?

It’s probabably true that the POTUS cannot do anything to fix current gas prices, but that doesn’t prevent either party to use demagoguery to influence the populous. The same thing was done with Bush when prices rose during his second term (along with bashing the evil oil companies because Bush was an “oil man”). So how is it racist to use the same demagoguery against Obama that was used against Bush?

It’s truly amazing any criticism against this president is considered in racial terms by leftist wingnuts.

RedinPDRM on April 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM

But didn’t your hero Willard McMittens say Obama has no control over the price of gas? Why yes, yes he did. So he has no control over it, but we’ll blame the black man nonetheless.
angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Ha! The mask is slipping. All these months Very Angry Ed has been posing as a disgruntled Republican. Yesterday we discovered she is actually a disgruntled feminist who hates to change diapers and has no respect for women who choose to raise their children rather than hand them over to a nanny or daycare. Anyhoo, to your comment:

No, he did not say that (thank you so much, Tina Korbe, for starting this false meme). He said presidents cannot “precisely” set the price of gas. Which is true.

Buy Danish on April 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Now, now. “Fairness” is the word of the day. Revenue doesn’t really matter to Obama. He’ll just borrow whatever he wants to spend. Tax policy is based on fairness.
Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

When my 9 year old starts paying his debts, she may have a comment about “fairness”

Jabberwock on April 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Got a link Buy Danish? I’d love to see that.

Alana on April 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

I am in favor of the XL Pipeline, but if “the one”, were to veto the bill because of the pipeline, and if I were Congress, I would just say fine… no highway bill this year. We will wait for our next president.

For three plus years now the entire government has been running on continuing resolutions, and make shift bills. Time to stop the insanity.

Dasher on April 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM

When my 9 year old starts paying his debts, she may have a comment about “fairness”

Jabberwock on April 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Your 9-year-old is, sadly, already neck deep in debt to Lord Government without having worked a day in his/her life.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM

It’s truly amazing any criticism against this president is considered in racial terms by leftist wingnuts.

RedinPDRM on April 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Its on page one of the book: “What to do When you are Losing an Argument to a Conservative”. When its the only card you have, play it because you won’t concede you have no logical position.

angryed has been studying L4L’s posts – keep throwing ridiculous things against the wall until you get attention from someone… anyone.

VietVet_Dave on April 18, 2012 at 10:22 AM

No, he did not say that (thank you so much, Tina Korbe, for starting this false meme). He said presidents cannot “precisely” set the price of gas. Which is true.

Buy Danish on April 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Careful now, you might get dizzy from all the spin.

McMittens said the president has no effect on gas prices. Yet you all are blaming the black president for high gas prices and 4 years ago you were defending the white president when gas was $4.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

these morons always seem to forget that when gas prices go up.. so does your natural gas and electric bill… so why would owning a car that has a tendency to catch your house on fire be worth it?
upinak on April 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Indeed. As if owning an electric car is going to bring down the price of food as well when the price of gas stays high.

What’s more amusing, is these drones like angeyed don’t explain how we’re going to convert nearly half to country to buy an even more expensive car that has unproven technology. Say we come up with a cheap miracle fuel like algae. How in the hell can we convert nearly 250 million people to buy algae cars over night.

Their stupidity is mindblowing.

jawkneemusic on April 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Why do we need alternative energy when we have all we could possibly need ready domestically? I just don’t understand what is sooooo bad about oil.

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Why do we need personal computers when we have perfectly good typewriters available?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

This pretty much sums up liberal logic. This idiot actually believes he is soooo smart and that oil is the typewriter and wind energy is a computer. Seriously, he ACTUALLY thinks this way. If you think about it though, with wind farms only working WHEN THE WIND BLOWS and being extremely ugly (liberals don’t want them near liberal land), killing birds, unreliable, expensive, land intensive, etc, then liberal energy is like crayons, with oil a computer.

Facts have a conservative bias.

GardenGnome on April 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

Their stupidity is mindblowing.

jawkneemusic on April 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

unicorn farts… oh wait, cow manure./

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Hey, Ed . . . you do know that food is adversely affected by the rise of fuel costs . . . from the cost of the farmer all the way to the store . . . right? You do know that it hurts the seniors on fixed incomes . . . right? How caring of you!!!!

No, you just don’t ever think that far, do you?

Voter from WA State on April 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Did Sean “You’re A Great American” Hannity tell you this?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Why does anyone really care about alternative energy? There is no alternative to petroleum. It provides the most energy per pound of any energy source there is, except possibly nuclear.

Solar and wind power are essentially toys. And whose power output must be backed up by conventional power, because of their unreliability. So why have it if the conventional power has to be there anyway… it is a doubling of the cost to generate it.

Dasher on April 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Now you’re catching on.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Wow, off the pier.
Had me fooled until a couple of days ago.

MontanaMmmm on April 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

You do realize that higher gas prices means more of a strain on the economy which reduces the amount of money available for research on your ‘alternative’ energy, right?

If you greenies would just sit down and shut up and let the free market handle it, things will progress just fine and be a hell of a lot cheaper for the American public (which helps the poor you lefties are so ‘concerned’ about).

For example, the hybrid has been around since 1900. It was developed by Porsche, but it wasn’t efficient or cost effective. It wasn’t until the late 60s when technology stared to catch up and serious consideration was again given to hybrid engine technology, but it took until the late 90s to finally get all the technology in place to make it cost effective.

If you try and force things, you just end up with bad research and even bigger delays. The free market is pretty damn effective if you libtards would just leave it the hell alone.

Wolftech on April 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM

I see you missed the study to stated gas would need to be $12.50 a gallon to make owning or buying an electric care worth it.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I first suspected.

jawkneemusic on April 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM

I see reading comprehension in flyover country is not too good either. Did I say electric car?

Again I ask, why do you people hate clean air so much? Is it a Jesus thing? And by that I mean do you feel Jesus is going to prevent the pollution from entering your body and killing you?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Did Sean “You’re A Great American” Hannity tell you this?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM

You are a very stupid and ignorant fool of a person.

Voter brings up a great point about senior citizens with a fixed income and you go off about Sean Hannity?

Do me and the rest of the world a favor: Take your head out of your butt and stop smelling the methane fumes. You are wasting fuel for your car.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Careful now, you might get dizzy from all the spin.

McMittens said the president has no effect on gas prices. Yet you all are blaming the black president for high gas prices and 4 years ago you were defending the white president when gas was $4.
angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Funny. It was Bush’e fault then, but not Obama’s now ?
Methinks someone is dizzy, but I can see keyboard just fine.

Jabberwock on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

@angryred:

“I think most people who trade in the V10 p/u for a Camry quickly discover they get from pt A to pt B just as easily at 1/3 of the gas cost.”

“It’ll pay for itself in no time with the gas savings. I know math is hard for flyover country types but trust me on this.”

Okay, let’s do the math… assuming your Camry cost 22k (which is the cost for the basic 2012 model), it will take you purchasing $33,000 in gasoline in order for it to “pay for itself”.

As in 33,000 x 2/3 (your gas savings) = 22,000.

33,000/4 = 8250 gallons of gas. Looking at the US DOE website, a 2012 Camry 4 cylinder gets 28 mpg combined.

8,250 x 28 = 231,000 miles.

Interesting. You plan on driving 231,000 miles “in no time”? The average person drives roughly 15,000 miles a year.

231,000/15,000 = 15.4 years.

Interesting definition you got there for “in no time”, angry red.

Guess math is racist too, eh chief?

Begone.

GrassMudHorsey on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

So Angryed finally went off the deep end?

jawkneemusic on April 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Not quite sure, but he’s managed to piss off and insult just about everyone so if it is an act then he’s taken it pretty far.

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Yet you all are blaming the black president for high gas prices and 4 years ago you were defending the white president when gas was $4.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

No, it’s not Dem/ Republic thing, it’s whit/black. We’re ra-a-a-a-a-cists!

It’s good that you’ve finally dropped the TruCon mask, angryed, and revealed yourself as just another Obamatic Leftard troll.

It means your days are numbered.

M240H on April 18, 2012 at 10:30 AM

MontanaMmm, I was fooled as well. He did a good job of trolling up until recently.

McDuck on April 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Its on page one of the book: “What to do When you are Losing an Argument to a Conservative”. When its the only card you have, play it because you won’t concede you have no logical position.

angryed has been studying L4L’s posts – keep throwing ridiculous things against the wall until you get attention from someone… anyone.

VietVet_Dave on April 18, 2012 at 10:22 AM

It is pretty evident that he/she/it craves attention to the point of this race baiting. It is time to stop feeding the trolls.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM

I see reading comprehension in flyover country is not too good either. Did I say electric car?
Again I ask, why do you people hate clean air so much? Is it a Jesus thing? And by that I mean do you feel Jesus is going to prevent the pollution from entering your body and killing you?
angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

LOL! What does Jesus have to do with oil and gas?

Take your meds little man and flame harder troll.

jawkneemusic on April 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM

So Angryed finally went off the deep end?

jawkneemusic on April 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Not quite sure, but he’s managed to piss off and insult just about everyone so if it is an act then he’s taken it pretty far.

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Something about the Romney dog thread yesterday seems to have really fueled this, IMHO.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

The problem with liberals like angryed is that you can lead a liberal to logic and facts but you can’t make them understand them (or let go of their hate).

Liberals will believe whatever they are told to believe, like “bombing a Libya is NOT a hostile action”. If a Republican were to say that the media would tell them to go riot. With a Democrat President saying that they will fully and completely believe it and call you stupid for saying that bombing a country IS hostile.

GardenGnome on April 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

I see reading comprehension in flyover country is not too good either. Did I say electric car?

Again I ask, why do you people hate clean air so much? Is it a Jesus thing? And by that I mean do you feel Jesus is going to prevent the pollution from entering your body and killing you?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Flyover country . . . black man . . . Jesus . . . this is a person full of hate. And full of himself.

Alana on April 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Funny. It was Bush’e fault then, but not Obama’s now ?

Jabberwock on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

More of that liberal logic.

Bad stuff- Inherited it and even after three years the “new guy” bears absolutely no responsibility for the situation.

Good stuff- It’s all to the credit of the incumbent.

When I was living in Michigan, Jennifer Granholm actually spent her entire time in office using this tactic even if it required her to reach back 14 years to blame somebody other than herself.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Oh, Ed…you fail again.

Let me clear this up for everyone…

Ed’s “mask” isn’t slipping. He’s just as furious as ever, but it’s at us.

See? He’s irrelevant. Ed doesn’t have a candidate to back.

What’s he going to talk about? He despises the lot of us, but he needs a reason to come around.

So why not play the contrarian? He knows the rightist position, so how hard is to flip everything on its head? At worst, it annoys. At best, he pisses people off.

ABR Ed was behind any other candidate, and they all had positions equal, or to the right, of Mitt on energy.

And no lefty ever fought as hard or as long as Ed when it came to ABR. That was genuine.

This contrary stuff is bullshit, and now that we’re hearing the “rally around Mitt” talk on all levels, he’s more angry than ever.

budfox on April 18, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM

We did at least get one concession from him/her:

@angryed “I know math is hard”

Guess math is racist too, eh chief?
Begone.
GrassMudHorsey on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Sad, isn’t it?

VietVet_Dave on April 18, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Something about the Romney dog thread yesterday seems to have really fueled this, IMHO.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

I missed it obviously. Can I get a cliff notes version?

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Obama, truly a president for masochists, doing his very best to cause misery for the country and people he hates. No wonder the media love him.

arand on April 18, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Again I ask, why do you people hate clean air so much? Is it a Jesus thing? And by that I mean do you feel Jesus is going to prevent the pollution from entering your body and killing you?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Your leaps of (non) logic are amazing.You go from point A to point Z and skip all the steps in between.

Flow charts would help you organize your thoughts in a more coherent fashion.

esr1951 on April 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Something about the Romney dog thread yesterday seems to have really fueled this, IMHO.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

The Ann Romney threads were pretty caustic, really going after the SAH moms. I’m not sure what to make of it when everyone is attacked.

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

The Ann Romney threads were pretty caustic, really going after the SAH moms. I’m not sure what to make of it when everyone is attacked.

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

lack of drugs?

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM

It is pretty evident that he/she/it craves attention to the point of this race baiting. It is time to stop feeding the trolls.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Agreed totally. Can we all agree on a moratorium on responding to the troll? The more it gets ignored, the louder it will screech, and the sooner it will bring the ban hammer down on itself.

Trafalgar on April 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM

“Because this bill circumvents a longstanding and proven process for determining whether cross-border pipelines are in the national interest by mandating the permitting of the Keystone XL pipeline before a new route has been submitted and assessed, the president’s senior advisers would recommend that he veto this legislation,”

Yeah, right…

There was never an environmental issue over the place where the Keystone XL pipeline would cross the international border from Alberta into Montana.

The greenies are worried about the pipeline potentially crossing an aquifer in Nebraska. So why not approve the border crossing and the route through Montana and South Dakota now, and worry about the route through Nebraska later?

BTW, this is an excellent strategy by House Republicans, tying the APPROVAL of the Keystone XL pipeline to other necessary funding. If the bill passes the Senate, this would force Obama to make a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline issue BEFORE the election, and accept the consequences from voters watching gasoline prices skyrocketing beyond $4 per gallon, thinking that a pipeline bringing in oil from our friendly neighbor to the north just might be a good idea…

Steve Z on April 18, 2012 at 10:42 AM

MontanaMmm, I was fooled as well. He did a good job of trolling up until recently.

McDuck on April 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM

This is from a post on Legal Insurrection, on why libs are so angry.

Why do they hate her so much? She’s happy. Unhappy people can’t stand happy people.

As others have noted, Obama rallies are not happy events. Neither is the Obama campaign. There is an angry tone, a desire for revenge against those who supposedly have done the people wrong, a settling of old scores. While Obama preaches hope, the “subtext” of his campaign is anger and frustration. For all the times I have seen Obama on television, only once or twice have I seen him laugh.

The mainstream media is no better. Is there a single happy person at MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC (well maybe not ABC), CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, or elsewhere in the bastions of the elite media? Palin’s happiness simply is something that cannot be tolerated by the unhappy people who run traditional news organizations.

MontanaMmmm on April 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Trafalgar on April 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Amen… heretofore known as the “Trafalgar Rule”.
;-)

VietVet_Dave on April 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

BTW, this is an excellent strategy by House Republicans, tying the APPROVAL of the Keystone XL pipeline to other necessary funding.
Steve Z on April 18, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Took them a while to figure out the Alinsky rules.

upinak on April 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Got a link Buy Danish? I’d love to see that.

Alana on April 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Yep.

McMittens said the president has no effect on gas prices. Yet you all are blaming the black president for high gas prices and 4 years ago you were defending the white president when gas was $4.
angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

He said no such thing. Time to page David Axelrod for new talking points.

Buy Danish on April 18, 2012 at 10:45 AM

MontanaMmm, I was fooled as well. He did a good job of trolling up until recently.

McDuck on April 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Must have brought in L4L off the bench.

tbear44 on April 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

BZZZT! but thanks for playing. I work in a distribution center for a national chain. We service more than dozen STATES. There is no effective difference between delivery costs to rural and urban areas. You can put that right back up your backside from whence it came.

trubble on April 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

The difference is that I owned a distribution business not just worked there. Along with friends who also owned other types of distribution businesses who went to the same locations. There is a real difference in cost between dropping off a load two blocks from your plant to a major store and a small town store eighty miles away. Make that in the dead of winter at zero degrees and know you have some idea.

What you do not understand is that your company will not deliver to stores which do not meet their minimum requirements.

Yes, thanks for playing.

BullShooterAsInElk on April 18, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Does this bill mean that the IRS would confiscate Buffet’s passport since he owes more than $50,000 in taxes?

maineconservative on April 18, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Could some of the “old-timer” HotAirians help me out? I’ve been commenting here for about 4 years and believe angryed has been around for most, if not all, of that time. But I remember him as being conservative…certainly not a troll…and definitely not someone who would argue in support of liberal talking points. Do I have him confused with someone else, or are we getting punked?

Dee2008 on April 18, 2012 at 10:50 AM

But didn’t your hero Willard McMittens say Obama has no control over the price of gas? Why yes, yes he did. So he has no control over it, but we’ll blame the black man nonetheless.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

…go eat a dog!…you Nucken Figot!

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Why do you people hate clean air with such a passion? Is it a Jesus thing? I really don’t get it.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

That’s right. Jesus drove the money-changers from the windmill business.

Finbar on April 18, 2012 at 10:52 AM

…go eat a dog!…you Nucken Figot!

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM

…hit a N instead of a B..sorry

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Uh, no . . . born and raised on a farm. Live in a farming area. Have farmers in my family currently trying to stay above water. They are not going bankrupt so you can have cheap food, buddy.

Buy a few more brain cells. You need them.

Voter from WA State on April 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Oooh a farmer. Say, that is impressive. I hear it takes a PhD to milk a cow, you must be very well educated.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM

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