Obama threatens veto of highway bill over Keystone XL pipeline

posted at 9:16 am on April 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Time for another showdown over energy policy.  House Republicans included a provision in the new highway bill extension (five months) that would force the Obama administration to approve the complete construction of the Keystone XL pipeline.  The White House reacted about as well as one would imagine:

The White House on Tuesday threatened to veto House legislation to extend transportation programs because it contains GOP language that mandates approval of the Keystone XL oil sands pipeline.

The House is slated to vote Wednesday on the bill that keeps the transportation programs funded through September, the end of the fiscal year.

It would take permitting of the proposed Alberta-to-Texas pipeline away from the State Department and task the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission with approving the project.

“Because this bill circumvents a longstanding and proven process for determining whether cross-border pipelines are in the national interest by mandating the permitting of the Keystone XL pipeline before a new route has been submitted and assessed, the president’s senior advisers would recommend that he veto this legislation,” the White House said in a formal “statement of administration policy” Tuesday afternoon.

A “proven process”?  Congress has had to push the Obama administration into action more than once to get the approval in place.  They forced Obama to issue a denial at the beginning of the year, although Obama later had to lobby the Senate to keep the rejection in place.  When that turned out to be unpopular, Obama began talking up the pipeline, ostentatiously “approving” a part of the pipeline construction that didn’t need federal approval anyway.

Time is running out on American interest in Canada’s oil-sands product.  The media in the US didn’t cover the so-called “Three Amigos” summit, but Investors Business Daily kept up with the Canadian papers, which did cover Stephen Harper’s warnings to Obama on obstructionism over Keystone:

Energy has become a searing rift between the U.S. and Canada and threatens to leave the U.S. without its top energy supplier.

The Winnipeg Free Press reported that Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper warned Obama the U.S. will have to pay market prices for its Canadian oil after Obama’s de facto veto of the Keystone XL pipeline. Canada is preparing to sell its oil to China.

Until now, NAFTA had shielded the U.S. from having to pay global prices for Canadian oil. That’s about to change.

In other words, just as the White House has to come up with a strategy for dealing with increasing prices at the pump, they’re actively ensuring that prices will go up even higher.  That’s not exactly smart, nor is it “smart power.”

On the other hand, perhaps the highway bill should be vetoed — but not because of the Keystone XL issue:

The Republican House of Representatives may soon follow the Democratic Senate and give the IRS the power to confiscate your passport on mere suspicion of owing taxes. There’s no place like home, comrade.

‘America, Love It Or Leave It” might be an obsolete slogan if the “bipartisan transportation bill” that just passed the Senate is approved by the House and becomes law. Contained within the suspiciously titled “Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act,” or “MAP 21,” is a provision that gives the Internal Revenue Service the power to keep U.S. citizens from leaving the country if it finds that they owe $50,000 or more in unpaid taxes — no court ruling necessary.

It is hard to imagine any law more reminiscent of the Soviet Union that America toppled, or its Eastern Bloc slave satellites.

Passports only get confiscated by courts, usually only when a flight risk is established.  Do we want bureaucrats making those decisions with no recourse to normal due process, especially over civil issues of tax bills?  If the IRS thinks that a taxpayer in arrears is a flight risk, let them go to a judge to get an order for passport seizure, a process that at least affords a citizen the right to challenge the accusation and defend himself before a disinterested third party.  This is a bad idea, and House Republicans should insist that it get stripped from the highway bill before sending it to the President.


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Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Contained within the suspiciously titled “Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act,” or “MAP 21,” is a provision that gives the Internal Revenue Service the power to keep U.S. citizens from leaving the country if it finds that they owe $50,000 or more in unpaid taxes — no court ruling necessary.

That’s insane. The IRS could then concoct some BS scenario where someone they don’t want leaving the country suddenly owes a bunch of money in back taxes.

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

More wind turbines. That’s the ticket.

coldwarrior on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Team Obama seems to be betting that gasoline prices have stabilized and he risks more by ticking off his core environmentalist supporters than he does drivers going into the election. Any flip after this will be another indicator that the moderates with cars, pick-ups or SUVs are speeding away from the president in the White House’s internal polling numbers.

jon1979 on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

The passport thing makes me shudder.

Good Lord!

gophergirl on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Some states do that now with child support.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Bring. It. On.
This would clearly put Dear Liar in the anti-Keystone camp, and make him the anti-petroleum president, in an election year with $4 & $5 gallon gasoline.

Wonderful news voters, you’ve got a president who doesn’t want potholes filled because he’s opposed to a pipeline that will bring more gasoline into the country.

rbj on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Did PBHO add a bow to this gift he just presented to Romney?

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Well, yeah. Isn’t that how Fabian socialist progressives introduce police states to their citizens? Little laws tucked away out of view until they are necessary?

coldwarrior on April 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Hey Obama! If you allow the pipeline to be built, do you know what those eeeevil oil speculators will do? Hmmmm. They’ll speculate the price of oil LOWER.

Weight of Glory on April 18, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Why do we need alternative energy when we have all we could possibly need ready domestically? I just don’t understand what is sooooo bad about oil.

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Worthless, effing, gonif MOMZER!
*Yes-momzer is my favorite Yiddish word. Lucky guess.*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Some states do that now with child support.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

The IRS scares me far more than most state governments.

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Any flip after this will be another indicator that the moderates with cars, pick-ups or SUVs are speeding away from the president in the White House’s internal polling numbers.

jon1979 on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Not many moderates drive pickups. Those who drive sensible cars that get 30+ MPG won’t really be hurt by an extra 50 cents per gallon. And those who drive large SUVs knew what they were getting into when they bought the behemoths.

This is why gas prices aren’t hurting Obama as much as you all hope. Most people that are hurt by $4 or $5 gas are Republican voters to begin with.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

The IRS scares me far more than most state governments.

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Put the tinfoil hat down.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

The IRS scares me far more than most state governments.

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

AMEN. The fact that they have enforcement control over Obamacare just makes my hair stand on end.

gophergirl on April 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

And hell, what’s the big deal about the passport? Through the NDAA, they can already strip you of your citizenship and then the Emperor can use his power through his updated Executive Order and take over everything. Then we will have peace and tranquility in my new Galactic Empire.

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

He’s gonna have to figure out how to chew his own head off to get that albatross from around his neck by the time the election rolls around.

msupertas on April 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

“Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act,” or “MAP 21,”

Your papers, comrade, are not in order.

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

don’t be nervous folks. Boenher will figure a way to cave.

lm10001 on April 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Good luck in your cross country vacation this year…in that new Chevy Volt….hahahahahaha….

PatriotRider on April 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Why do we need alternative energy when we have all we could possibly need ready domestically? I just don’t understand what is sooooo bad about oil.

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Why do we need personal computers when we have perfectly good typewriters available?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Great. Another in a long line of losers willing to spout nonsense just to get the attention he/she never got from parents or grade school teachers.

DaveDief on April 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

ads against obama will write themselves this fall…

gatorboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Obama ’12
Because gas prices aren’t high enough….

Electrongod on April 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

This is why gas prices aren’t hurting Obama as much as you all hope. Most people that are hurt by $4 or $5 gas are Republican voters to begin with.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Well sure, until you start looking at it on a macro level….or don’t demorats eat bread or drink milk?

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

48-52. That’s my prediction for the general election. It’s going to be a close shave.

gryphon202 on April 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Not many moderates drive pickups. Those who drive sensible cars that get 30+ MPG won’t really be hurt by an extra 50 cents per gallon. And those who drive large SUVs knew what they were getting into when they bought the behemoths.

This is why gas prices aren’t hurting Obama as much as you all hope. Most people that are hurt by $4 or $5 gas are Republican voters to begin with.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

is this guy serious?

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

If you can’t afford the gas maybe you can power your car with unicorn farts…that’s your boy’s alternative energy…

PatriotRider on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

So, you want the government to manipulate the oil market and force us into paying more than we should be so they can impose “alternative energy” on us? What alternative energy are you talking about anyway? Windmills? Solar that only works when it’s a nice day? Electric cars that run on coal and cost so much that nobody wants to buy them? That alternative energy? Or is there something on the horizon involving unicorn farts?

Trafalgar on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Good luck in your cross country vacation this year…in that new Chevy Volt….hahahahahaha….

PatriotRider on April 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

I can afford $5 gas without batting an eye. Less traffic and fewer slobs at the beach. It’s a win win for me.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

is this guy serious?

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

He’s a moby. Ignore him.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Trafalgar on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Funny to me that the most viable alternative energy source is the one you never hear government bureaucrats talk about promoting: hydrogen cells.

gryphon202 on April 18, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

So is that why your angry…gas prices???….

By the way…is that Ed or Edwina???

PatriotRider on April 18, 2012 at 9:29 AM

There’s nothing bad about oil. It’s all about who gets paid for what. “Clean” energy means the Gore’s and other progressive hacks get paid instead of evil people like Buuuuschhh.

bsinc1962 on April 18, 2012 at 9:29 AM

So, Americans who owe back taxes can’t leave the country? How about we instal electronic locks on the doors of congress that don’t open until the budget is balanced instead. They can all starve in the chamber for all I care. We’ll be humane and install a delivery slot for bread and water.

Mord on April 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Those highway bills are an abomination, but no reasonable prson can see his intransigence on the pipeline and say he’s doing what he can on the domestic energy front.

changer1701 on April 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Some states do that now with child support.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Only with a court order…which is the proper step, to get a judge to formally issue an order.

right2bright on April 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Gas prices have been dropping ever so slightly here.
Rick Perry is takin’ it to Zero!

annoyinglittletwerp on April 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

THIS is why by the time November comes this election won’t even be close. Barry WILL NOT allow us to have access to cheaper fuel, and thus HE OWNS the price of energy.

wildcat72 on April 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Some states do that now with child support.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Only with a court order…which is the proper step, to get a judge to formally issue an order.

right2bright on April 18, 2012 at 9:31 AM

It doesn’t take a legislative body to screw over a citizenry. Judges can do it too, and many of them aren’t subject to re-election, leastwise not at the federal level.

gryphon202 on April 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

is this guy serious?

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

The mask is sliding off. Aed managed the rock-ribbed conservative personae for as long as he could but the stress of it got to him and now it’s full-tilt liberal.

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Leaving the pipeline up to State (Hillary) to approve makes her look like the bad guy so this is another not my fault from our dear leader. They do know that Canada is a close friend and ally right, and not some foreign country that doesn’t have our best interest at heart. The original route was studied for environmental impact for 7 years. It’s time to build.

Kissmygrits on April 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Well sure, until you start looking at it on a macro level….or don’t demorats eat bread or drink milk?

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM

The average voter doesn’t think beyond the obvious. This goes for both sides. And again, inflation will be higher in rural areas where it costs more in energy to deliver goods. Bringing milk and bread to a small town 50 miles from a distribution center costs more than bringing it to a Kroger’s 2 miles from a distribution center. Which means the Republican rural voter will proportionally pay more for bread and milk than the urban Democrat voter.

And the lifestyle of Dems/Reps means more energy costs for Reps. A 700 sq ft apartment in the city costs nothing to heat/cool. Compare that to a 4000 sq ft McMansion in the exurbs. Electricity doubles tomorrow the apartment dweller barely notices his electric bill has doubled. The Republican has a heart attack.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I can afford $5 gas without batting an eye. Less traffic and fewer slobs at the beach. It’s a win win for me.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

No elitism there. No siree.

esr1951 on April 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM

In other news, the new Chevy Surfer equipped with ‘car-sails’ is set to debut in the coming months. Experts say it outperforms the Volt and takes care of those pesky overheating battery problems… though rumors of “land-shark” issues plaguing the Surfer have surfaced.

Ukiah on April 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

OK, now I’m certain that angryed is just make-believe. He/she/it does too good a parody of the typical dumb leftist. Too straight-forward.

Alana on April 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Not many moderates drive pickups.
angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

that probably explains why they are pansies moderates.

GhoulAid on April 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Why do we need personal computers when we have perfectly good typewriters available?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

That would be a kind of stimulus for the now-defunct typewriter ribbon business.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

“Mr. Boehner, construct this wall!”

NoDonkey on April 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Not many moderates drive pickups. Those who drive sensible cars that get 30+ MPG won’t really be hurt by an extra 50 cents per gallon. And those who drive large SUVs knew what they were getting into when they bought the behemoths.

This is why gas prices aren’t hurting Obama as much as you all hope. Most people that are hurt by $4 or $5 gas are Republican voters to begin with.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Please tell me this is tongue-in-cheek. You cannot be serious. I don’t drive a pickup, pal. I drive a Camry. But I live in Katy, TX and commute to the Galleria area in Houston because it’s far less expensive to live outside the city, so the higher gas prices ain’t helping.

And yes, we did buy a Highlander SUV a couple years ago, but that was because our first child was about to arrive and no offense, but we ain’t gonna lug him and his stuff around in a Smart car.

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Really? That’s how the Wright brothers took to flight, because walking was so expensive?

Inventions are not “forced”, except in Communist/Marxist/dictatorial countries.

right2bright on April 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Hey moron, you do know that oil prices don’t just effect GAS, don’t you? How many elderly people will die as a result of heat exhaustion over the coming summer months? What about food transportation? How many people are you willing to hurt or kill over your insane idea that electricity comes from fairies?

KaroleD28 on April 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

This issue alone should be sufficient to get Obama thrown out of office…………..head first.

SC.Charlie on April 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

is this guy serious?

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM
The mask is sliding off. Aed managed the rock-ribbed conservative personae for as long as he could but the stress of it got to him and now it’s full-tilt liberal.

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Mitt Romney drove him over the edge . . .

Although he was pretty close to the edge to begin with.

NoDonkey on April 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Let’s cut to the chase. What is this going to do to the price of dog meat?

forest on April 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

So, you want the government to manipulate the oil market and force us into paying more than we should be so they can impose “alternative energy” on us? What alternative energy are you talking about anyway? Windmills? Solar that only works when it’s a nice day? Electric cars that run on coal and cost so much that nobody wants to buy them? That alternative energy? Or is there something on the horizon involving unicorn farts?

Trafalgar on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

How is the govt manipulating oil prices? President Obama simply decided not to build a pipeline. Nobody’s forcing you to do anything. You want to save costs on energy? Learn to live responsibly and you’ll pay less. It’s not that hard.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Almost everything that that IRS does on the enforcement side is un- Constitutional, why would they change now?

Nathan_OH on April 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Does this mean that those White House staffers who still owe taxes won’t be able to travel with Obama on his trips out of the country?

rlyle on April 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Leaving the pipeline up to State (Hillary) to approve makes her look like the bad guy so this is another not my fault from our dear leader. They do know that Canada is a close friend and ally right, and not some foreign country that doesn’t have our best interest at heart. The original route was studied for environmental impact for 7 years. It’s time to build.

Kissmygrits on April 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Canada isn’t a closer ally to Obama than the Sierra Club.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I can afford $5 gas without batting an eye. Less traffic and fewer slobs at the beach. It’s a win win for me.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

I’ve greatly improved my gas mileage by tying my dog to the roof, so I don’t care either.

NoDonkey on April 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Hey moron, you do know that oil prices don’t just effect GAS, don’t you? How many elderly people will die as a result of heat exhaustion over the coming summer months? What about food transportation? How many people are you willing to hurt or kill over your insane idea that electricity comes from fairies?

KaroleD28 on April 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Talk radio has made mush of your brain.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

This is why gas prices aren’t hurting Obama as much as you all hope. Most people that are hurt by $4 or $5 gas are Republican voters to begin with.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Uhhhh, yeah, democrats use less gas…I would like to see the stat on that one.
If your theory was correct (and it’s not, it’s utterly stupid), it would hurt the dems more, since 4-5 dollars is a larger % of the inner city dems. It costs them a much higher % to go to work. And most can’t afford new gas saving cars, so they are stuck with older gas guzzlers…why am I arguing with someone so stupid?

right2bright on April 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Except that higher gas prices has an affect on anything that has to be shipped, e.g., everything. You know who are moderates who care about the price of gas? Commerical truck drivers.

Meric1837 on April 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Do you think swing voters who were forced into driving smaller cars due to high gas prices — especially those with kids — are totally sanguine about having to settle for the smaller alternatives.

(And we haven’t even gotten into the effect higher fuel prices have on the cross-country shipments of foods and manufacturing goods, which also steals $$$ from consumers’ pocketbooks. Unless Team Obama can come up with some magic No. 2 Diesel made from fairy dust and unicorn droppings, that’s also going to factor into the cost of living situation for moderates.)

jon1979 on April 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I’ve greatly improved my gas mileage by tying my dog to the roof, so I don’t care either.

NoDonkey on April 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I hear the Romney Animal Torture technique can add 5-7 MPGs.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Well sure, because every distributor digs up their products from a special hole behind the building where everything is just “there”, it’s not as if they have to pay to have things brought to the distribution center from the actual producers.

What was I thinking? Macroeconomics. Pfffft.

Bishop on April 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

I can afford $5 gas without batting an eye. Less traffic and fewer slobs at the beach. It’s a win win for me.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

I hope it goes to $7/gal by October…because it will seal the deal…

PatriotRider on April 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

How is the govt manipulating oil prices? President Obama simply decided not to build a pipeline. Nobody’s forcing you to do anything. You want to save costs on energy? Learn to live responsibly and you’ll pay less. It’s not that hard.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

We can’t live without oil. Even if you don’t drive a car, it’s used in so many facets of our everyday lives that everyone will be impacted if its price remains this high. And it ain’t helping matters that this administration is killing the coal industry as well through the EPA. What the hell is this country gonna be powered by? The nuke plants we’re busy not building?

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Please tell me this is tongue-in-cheek. You cannot be serious. I don’t drive a pickup, pal. I drive a Camry. But I live in Katy, TX and commute to the Galleria area in Houston because it’s far less expensive to live outside the city, so the higher gas prices ain’t helping.

And yes, we did buy a Highlander SUV a couple years ago, but that was because our first child was about to arrive and no offense, but we ain’t gonna lug him and his stuff around in a Smart car.

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Of course it’s tongue-in-cheek. Ed’s just not going to give the game away. This is his fun to toy with all of us Romney voters.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Bringing milk and bread to a small town 50 miles from a distribution center costs more than bringing it to a Kroger’s 2 miles from a distribution center. Which means the Republican rural voter will proportionally pay more for bread and milk than the urban Democrat voter.

BZZZT! but thanks for playing. I work in a distribution center for a national chain. We service more than dozen STATES. There is no effective difference between delivery costs to rural and urban areas. You can put that right back up your backside from whence it came.

trubble on April 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy making this guy a one-termer.
angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Cleombrotus on April 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Some people never learn.

aniptofar on April 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

I’ll try again..

Bringing milk and bread to a small town 50 miles from a distribution center costs more than bringing it to a Kroger’s 2 miles from a distribution center. Which means the Republican rural voter will proportionally pay more for bread and milk than the urban Democrat voter.

BZZZT! but thanks for playing. I work in a distribution center for a national chain. We service more than dozen STATES. There is no effective difference between delivery costs to rural and urban areas. You can put that right back up your backside from whence it came.

trubble on April 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

AngryEd just might get an Oscar for his portrayal of L4L. Actually, he makes better liberal arguments than she ever did.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

President Obama simply decided not to build a pipeline. Nobody’s forcing you to do anything.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

But it seems Obama is forcing someone not to do something…

That’s OK though….right?

Electrongod on April 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Any truth to the rumor that the IRS uniform will now include brown shirts?

The Rogue Tomato on April 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

I say good too! Higher gas prices, means no more Obama presidency.

William Eaton on April 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Why do we need personal computers when we have perfectly good typewriters available?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Your analogy is valid, but in the reverse of how you meant it. Because the practicality and functionality of so-called “alternative” energy sources would be a typewriter in comparison to the computer that is the proven, effective, efficient oil.

Shump on April 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

So, you want the government to manipulate the oil market and force us into paying more than we should be so they can impose “alternative energy” on us? What alternative energy are you talking about anyway? Windmills? Solar that only works when it’s a nice day? Electric cars that run on coal and cost so much that nobody wants to buy them? That alternative energy? Or is there something on the horizon involving unicorn farts?

Trafalgar on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

How is the govt manipulating oil prices? President Obama simply decided not to build a pipeline. Nobody’s forcing you to do anything. You want to save costs on energy? Learn to live responsibly and you’ll pay less. It’s not that hard.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Yeah, Trafalgar, learn to live “responsibly” and stop flying all over the world on Air Force 1 with your servants and your servant’s servants.

KaroleD28 on April 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

I’ve greatly improved my gas mileage by tying my dog to the roof, so I don’t care either.

NoDonkey on April 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM
I hear the Romney Animal Torture technique can add 5-7 MPGs.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM

It’s all worth it to save the planet.

Seamus would have wanted it that way.

NoDonkey on April 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

AngryEd just might get an Oscar for his portrayal of L4L. Actually, he makes better liberal arguments than she ever did.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

In fact, I think AngryEd is stealing Bishop’s modus operandi.

Bitter Clinger on April 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

How is the govt manipulating oil prices? President Obama simply decided not to build a pipeline.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM

OK, nobody can really be this stupid. You’re the one who’s calling for higher oil prices to force us to pursue “alternative energy”. But let me explain this as simply as I can. Building the pipeline brings in cheaper oil more reliably, lowering fuel costs. Obama refuses to build the pipeline, causing fuel prices to stay high or go hiher. He could lower prices, but he won’t. That’s manipulation.

And BTW, don’t presume to tell me how to live, you arrogant little prig.

Trafalgar on April 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Do you think swing voters who were forced into driving smaller cars due to high gas prices — especially those with kids — are totally sanguine about having to settle for the smaller alternatives.

(And we haven’t even gotten into the effect higher fuel prices have on the cross-country shipments of foods and manufacturing goods, which also steals $$$ from consumers’ pocketbooks. Unless Team Obama can come up with some magic No. 2 Diesel made from fairy dust and unicorn droppings, that’s also going to factor into the cost of living situation for moderates.)

jon1979 on April 18, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I think most people who trade in the V10 p/u for a Camry quickly discover they get from pt A to pt B just as easily at 1/3 of the gas cost. And I think they’re quite content. My daily driver gets about 35 MPGs. Whether gas is $2 or $5 really doesn’t impact me in a meaningful way. I also have a monster SUV that I keep around if I need to haul something or tow something. And with that thing, 1 short trip and I think, Jesus this cost me $20 in gas. It would be utterly insane of me to have that be my main commuting vehicle. That’s the model of the future IMO, a sensible car for day to day use and the p/u or SUV as the “when I need it” vehicle.

And yes I agree. Higher fuel = higher prices. But I am saying your typical moron American doesn’t connect the dots in this way, especially “moderates/independent” voters who really should be called “voters who don’t pay attention to anything”.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I just don’t understand what is sooooo bad about oil.

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:23 AM

It’s simple. Enough of that stuff and captalism becomes an instant embarassment to the failed socialist systems the left intends to inculcate here in place of freedom. The eco-worship idea that oil is evil, is just a big lie.
They have always wanted to shut down our economic engine – oil (the economic engine’s food)is the scapegoat.

Don L on April 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Aren’t the only people who owe that much in taxes in Obama’s cabinet?

Tim Geithner hardest hit.

Spiders from Mars on April 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Quick trip down memory lane. There’s plenty more like it.

If that’s the case, he’s counting on his supporters being really dumb.

Those “nose in the air” urbanites ain’t growin’ their own food.

cozmo on January 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

No they don’t. But they also don’t put 2 and 2 together to realize high gas = expensive food. These are the same people who think electric cars (which run on electricity made by coal plants) don’t contribute to pollution.

angryed on January 17, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Urbanite elites were the big dummies in January, now rural people are the big dummies. Faking it now, or faking it then?

forest on April 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

But it seems Obama is forcing someone not to do something…

That’s OK though….right?

Electrongod on April 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

So oil companies should be able to build a pipeline anywhere they want without any permits?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Good. We need higher gas prices, it’s the only way to once and for all get serious about alternative energy.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

I guess the thrill is gone from pretending to be “conservative.” Now you’re all about picking up the fallen banner of libtard4life.

cicerone on April 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

is this guy serious?

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Serious? Not sure about that but he is special.

Oldnuke on April 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I can afford $5 gas without batting an eye. Less traffic and fewer slobs at the beach. It’s a win win for me.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Let them Cake!

William Eaton on April 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Urbanite elites were the big dummies in January, now rural people are the big dummies. Faking it now, or faking it then?

forest on April 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Plenty of them everywhere. That’s my point. Most people don’t analyze this stuff in detail.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Are they going to exempt people like in Obama Care. Sharpton, geitner and all these government employees?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/09/congress-taxes-irs.html

FLconservative on April 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Back in the beginning of the Obama Administration I happened to catch Monica Crowley on her radio show. She refered to the corruption, constant harrassing of the Constitution, incindiary comments, ridiculous Executive Orders, and downright stupid remarks of the President as “fresh hell”. Every day there is a new one and on Friday afternoons, many of them.

Obama has spent more money that there is in anyone’s coffers and keeps doing it. Republicans just sit there and take it. They don’t say anything and go along and enable Democrats to spend and spend. They act like the victims that We the People don’t want to be. No one is fighting in Congress for us. It’s frustrating beyond belief. Energy is our biggest need right now. It could cure many of the things that Obama has done to us and yet no one is fighting for it. Oh, wait……….One is. One does understand and knows how it fits into the scheme of restoring America, economically, defensively, and politically. New Facebook article about energy. She’s on the case. More “fresh hell” is on the way by way of another EO by Obama. Is anyone in Congress going to help?

BetseyRoss on April 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

I guess the thrill is gone from pretending to be “conservative.” Now you’re all about picking up the fallen banner of libtard4life.

cicerone on April 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM

You are still confusing conservative with religious extremist. And no I am not that.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

This is why gas prices aren’t hurting Obama as much as you all hope. Most people that are hurt by $4 or $5 gas are Republican voters to begin with.

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:24 AM

is this guy serious?

search4truth on April 18, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Yup, seriously straw man…

hillsoftx on April 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

When will the GOP rename itself officially to the Luddite Party?

angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

blockquote>angryed on April 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Jim Treacher was wondering where you were on the “President as Dog Eater” thread last night.

DrStock on April 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

So, Americans who owe back taxes can’t leave the country? How about we instal electronic locks on the doors of congress that don’t open until the budget is balanced instead. They can all starve in the chamber for all I care. We’ll be humane and install a delivery slot for bread and water.

Mord on April 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

I applaud your thought. This is so ridiculous that they can’t even do their jobs and still get paid!

CoffeeLover on April 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

That’s insane. The IRS could then concoct some BS scenario where someone they don’t want leaving the country suddenly owes a bunch of money in back taxes.

Doughboy on April 18, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Agreed. The IRS has the same “fantasy power” that the SEC has. They can make up allegations all day long, and you’re guilty simply because they say so. Then you have to somehow match your limited resources against their nearly unlimited resources (thanks to Bernanke’s printer) to prove your innocence.

Nutstuyu on April 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

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