Walker up 5-12 points in PPP/DKos poll

posted at 10:26 am on April 17, 2012 by Steve Eggleston

The Government Accountability Board will meet at 9 am tomorrow to set the ballot for all six recall elections (for governor, lieutenant governor and four state Senate seats). The staff has recommended that the Board reject the Democrat Party of Wisconsin’s attempt to toss the 6 “protest candidates” the Republican Party of Wisconsin recruited to run as “Democrats” to ensure all 6 recall elections have a May 8 primary and a June 5 general election. From the GAB staff’s analysis (notably completed before the GAB received the RPW response):

Based upon the public statements of the RPW and the protest candidates, as well as literature they have distributed, there is no material dispute regarding the facts related to the challenges, or that the intent of the RPW and the protest candidates is to require all recall elections to take place on June 5, 2012, presumably to benefit the campaigns of the Republican incumbents. The legal dispute is whether Wisconsin Statutes prohibit or penalize such tactics by disqualifying those candidates from having their names included on the election ballot.

In general, Wisconsin election laws do not require an individual to be a member of a political party to seek that party’s nomination in a primary election. The law also does not permit the Board to inquire into the motivations for an individual’s candidacy for office, an exercise which would inevitably lead to the Board, as a government agency, making subjective judements regarding the legitimacy of political candidacies, which would implicate the most protected forms of First Amendments rights of freedom of speech and association. Depending upon one’s political perspective, the statements and actions of the protest candidates may be viewed as justified, clever, micshievous, or misleading. But Board staff cannot determine that they are illegal. They are products of political calculation and decision-making, and as such they can be rewarded or rejected during the course of the campaigns and elections. The purpose of elections is for voters to pass judgement on the ideas and positions of the candidates as they are debated in the crucible of the campaign.

As further outlined below, Board staff concludes that Wisconsin law does not permit the Board to deny ballot access to the protest candidates.

The Board staff went on to explain that neither the existence of an entry line for a political party on the Campaign Registration Statement form nor the existence of same on the Declaration of Candidacy form is required by state statute. Indeed, the staff concluded that portion of the memo thusly:

As stated above, nominees who claim to represent a political party are determined by the candidates and their supporters, not by party officials or government filing officers. Candidates seeking to participate in a primary of one of the parties are not required to prove that they are members of that party or that they have the support of party members or leadership. A candidate may certainly, without interference from the government, be nominated and campaign as a candidate of a party while disavowing any of hte official or stated positions of the party, or may change their stated positions between the time of circulating nomination papers and the election, or even after their election. For these reasons, Board staff believes that the protest candidates have substantially complied with the requirement to complete and file a declaration of candidacy, and the Board does not have the authority to look beyond the document to judge the political motivation or strategy of a candidacy.

Further, the staff held that the nomination papers do not include any requirement that the candidate claim to “have or demonstrate any formal tie to or membership in the political party” listed on the paper, that neither the circulators nor the signers are required to agree with the positions or principles of the named political party, and that no evidence was presented of any individual signer of the nomination papers were “misled” into signing the nomination papers of the protest candidates, much less a sufficient number to knock any of them off the ballot.

Related to that, semi-pro union protestor Arthur Kohl-Riggs will (likely) appear on the Republican governor primary ballot against Scott Walker as he gathered enough nomination signatures. In a normal partisan primary election, participating in the Republican governor primary would prohibit one from voting for Democrats elsewhere on the primary ballot. While that is still true in the governor recall primary cycle (e.g., one cannot vote for both Scott Walker and Kathleen Falk), GAB spokesman Reid Magney has confirmed that since these recall elections are separate entities, one can vote in the Republican governor recall primary and in the Democratic lieutenant governor recall primary and (if in one of the 4 Senate districts where there is a recall), that Democratic recall primary.

One more item of note – a Public Policy Polling poll for DailyKos has Walker upby between 5 percentage points (against Milwaukee mayor Tom Barrett), 7 points (against former Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk) and 12 points (against state Senator Kathleen Vinehout) among likely voters, reaching at least 50% against all 4 Democrats. In the same poll, Lieutenant Governor Rebecca Kleefisch is up 46%-40% on Professional Fire Fighters of Wisconsin president Mahlon Mitchell. The partisan split of that poll was 37% independent, 32% Republican and 31% Democrat, which roughly mirrors recent Rasmussen Reports likely-voter partisan splits in Wisconsin.

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jake-the-goose on April 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

And this would be reason number one I don’t just automatically write off PPP polls.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM

If Walker wins, will they try another recall? Maybe the 3rd times a charm for “democracy,” or at least democracy as Democrats find to be appropriate.

milcus on April 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Polls don’t take ballot box stuffing into consideration.

In WI, you can add 3-4% to the polled Democrat numbers.

BobMbx on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

I’m waiting for the RomneyAir line by line, word by word, investigation into this poll. Oh what’s that? The Republican is winning? Then no investigation is needed. The poll is 100% legit.

Carry on.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

And this would be reason number one I don’t just automatically write off PPP polls.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM

PPP is actually not awful. They just over-sample Democrats. If you correct their inherent bias, which usually means adding about 2-4 points for the Republican, and subtracting 2-4 for the Democrat, their polls have merit.

milcus on April 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM

If there is any justice in this world he would win by thirty points.

celtic warrior on April 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM

It seems that Walker’s appoach to the budget woes and union power is working just fine.

arand on April 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM

If I lived in Wisconsin I’d be preparing for the union thugs to riot when Walker wins…

They know this is Custer’s Last Stand for them. If the Walker reforms are allowed to stand, they WILL spread to other states.

It means the end of the closed union shop state employee gravy train.

One of the biggest reasons why government spending is so “holy” to the socialists is that a certain percentage of it comes straight back to the democrat party in the form of involuntary contributions from union dues.

wildcat72 on April 17, 2012 at 10:34 AM

I’m waiting for the RomneyAir line by line, word by word, investigation into this poll. Oh what’s that? The Republican is winning? Then no investigation is needed. The poll is 100% legit.Carry on.
angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Mr. Ed actually doubts his overlords at PPP and KOS??? SHOCKA!!

BeachBum on April 17, 2012 at 10:35 AM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

This union-funded effort is neither democratic nor in keeping with the intent of recall provisions. Anybody who supports this kind of action is an un-American traitor. Carry on.

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

The people of Wisconsin are smart enough to see how Walker has turned their state around. If there wasn’t so much outside money coming into the race it wouldn’t even be this close. This really is do or die for the public sector unions in America and their pulse is growing weak.

MJZZZ on April 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

This union-funded effort is neither democratic nor in keeping with the intent of recall provisions. Anybody who supports this kind of action is an un-American traitor. Carry on.

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Agreed. But that wasn’t what I said. Read again.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM

If I lived in Wisconsin I’d be preparing for the union thugs to riot when Walker wins…

wildcat72 on April 17, 2012 at 10:34 AM

You mean riot again. The union-backed thugs already did over a million dollars of damage to the statehouse once. I’m happy to see that not all Wisc. voters are mindless union drones.

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Hopefully the unions will have spent a huge amount of money on this effort by the time it goes down in flames.

CorporatePiggy on April 17, 2012 at 10:41 AM

PPP registered voters poll are unreliable and narrative oriented.

It’s amazing what happens when they start using a likely voters screen.

Tom Barrett (D): 45 (49)
Scott Walker (R-inc): 50 (46)

An 8 points swing. Reminiscent of what happened in 2010.

Per Tom Jensen:

The biggest change is probably that this was our first time using a likely voter screen, We found with almost all of the recall elections last summer that the electorate just wasn’t as Democratic as 2008, even if people were at least more excited about the recalls than they were about the 2010 elections. Gov. Scott Walker gains a few points as a result of that.

This seems to imply the electorate they’re finding for their RVs polls is similar to the 2008 electorate – which jives with the partisan breakdown of most of their polls. Unfortunately for the Democrats, once they apply the likely voters screening, the electorate seems to become something more similar to 2004.

joana on April 17, 2012 at 10:41 AM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

You know, you used to be a fun guy to have around here. I actually used to enjoy reading your posts. But you’ve really gone off the deep end recently. We know you hate Romney. WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST EIGHT HUNDRED TIMES! I don’t like the guy either; but it gets pretty tiresome watching you take a massive, steaming, anti-Romney, sh-t in threads that have precious little to do with him.

I’m sure, since I’ve called you on it, you’re going to do what I’ve seen you do to others. You’re going to act like a third grader and engage in a futile pissing match over it.

Sooner or later (probably sooner), you’re going to go to far and get yourself thrown out of here. I seriously doubt you’ll last the summer.

It bums me out to tell you this, because I like you, ed. Like I said before, you were fun to have around; and you used to be capable of some very insightful and witty posts. But, lately, everything you write here is just one big protracted temper tantrum.

Ease up.

CurtZHP on April 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Polls don’t take ballot box stuffing into consideration.

This is the scary part.
Especially since that (Dem, pro-recall) judge stopped implementation of the new voter ID law.

Dexter_Alarius on April 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Going to cackle when this whole recall shenanigan fails.

Bitter Clinger on April 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

PPP has been really good with the WI recalls. They nailed everything last year and the one they misssed was only by a point or two.

This poll also shows Obama beating Romney by 6 pts.

gumbyandpokey on April 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

I’m waiting for the RomneyAir line by line, word by word, investigation into this poll. Oh what’s that? The Republican is winning? Then no investigation is needed. The poll is 100% legit.

Carry on.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Clown nose off as angryed drops the mask and proudly hold aloft the Lefty banner dropped by libtard4life…

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Ahh yes, those silly property taxes did not go up this year thanks to Walker.

See this is why its such a hurry to get this recall done. As every day goes by, more and more wake up to the fact that this guy actually balanced our budget, and not by raising taxes. If Cheeseheads want to see what we would look like if it was not for Walker, look to our southern border…Ill just got done hiking taxes big time… and still are short.

watertown on April 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

You know, you used to be a fun guy to have around here. I actually used to enjoy reading your posts. But you’ve really gone off the deep end recently. We know you hate Romney. WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST EIGHT HUNDRED TIMES! I don’t like the guy either; but it gets pretty tiresome watching you take a massive, steaming, anti-Romney, sh-t in threads that have precious little to do with him.

CurtZHP on April 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM

My point was about polls, not Romney polls per se. At HA, any poll that is favorable to a Republican (be it Romney or Walker or whomever) is taken at face value. But any poll that is unfavorable to a Republican (like the CNN poll showing Romney down 9% for example) is scrutinized, sliced, diced and questioned immediately.

I’m just asking for a little consistency, that’s all.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

At least Walker has a record to run on. Unlike a certain presidential candidate seeking re-election.

GarandFan on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Clown nose off as angryed drops the mask and proudly hold aloft the Lefty banner dropped by libtard4life…

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

I thought I was a TruCon. Make up your mind.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Polls don’t take ballot box stuffing into consideration.

In WI, you can add 3-4% to the polled Democrat numbers.

BobMbx on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Not to mention free ciggies and booze and a free ride to the polls for those who vote Democrat.

Steve Z on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

If Walker wins, will they try another recall? Maybe the 3rd times a charm for “democracy,” or at least democracy as Democrats find to be appropriate.

milcus on April 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM

If he wins, they’ll probably have to wait til the next real election. I don’t see how they’ll have any money left to keep at this. Plus I can’t imagine public sentiment will improve for them if they insist on repeatedly attempting to overturn the will of the voters(a majority of them anyway).

Doughboy on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

I see major fail for the communist/socialist unions. A harbinger for the national general election.

jake49 on April 17, 2012 at 10:47 AM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

That may explain this, but it doesn’t say much for other threads.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/04/17/the-war-on-women-is-real/

Really?

CurtZHP on April 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

angryed: I don’t like Romney either but at some point you have to say, no mas. Obama is a marxist tyrant,he must be defeated.

celtic warrior on April 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Polls don’t take ballot box stuffing into consideration.

In WI, you can add 3-4% to the polled Democrat numbers.

BobMbx on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

P.S. In 2000, when Gore won Wisconsin by about 5,000 votes over Bush, there were more votes in Milwaukee than registered voters. Nobody bothered investigating then because the real fight was over Florida, but Scott Walker can’t rely on Florida voters to bail him out.

Steve Z on April 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Not to mention free ciggies and booze and a free ride to the polls for those who vote Democrat.

Steve Z on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Of course, when the evidence starts those responsible in the face and its thier job to bring charges…they turn the other way.

watertown on April 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

curtZHP
+1000

angrymike on April 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

If he wins, they’ll probably have to wait til the next real election. I don’t see how they’ll have any money left to keep at this. Plus I can’t imagine public sentiment will improve for them if they insist on repeatedly attempting to overturn the will of the voters(a majority of them anyway).

Doughboy on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Honestly, there is no need for this recall election. This is just Democrats being sore losers.

So, why stop at an election and recall election, assuming they lose. Might as well keep trying to recall Republicans, and show how Democrats have no respect for democracy, unless the people side with them, of course.

milcus on April 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

angryed: I don’t like Romney either but at some point you have to say, no mas. Obama is a marxist tyrant,he must be defeated.

celtic warrior on April 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Then vote for Romney and have a blast.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

At least Walker has a record to run on. Unlike a certain presidential candidate seeking re-election.

GarandFan on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Sort of true. Barack does NOT want to run on his record. Scott Walker does (and is running on his record).

SouthernGent on April 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

In the same poll, Lieutenant Governor Rebecca Kleefisch is up 46%-40% on Professional Fire Fighters of Wisconsin president Mahlon Mitchell.

And speaking of Rebecca Kleefisch, here she is giving a good answer to a question about the stay-at-home mom issue. It’s extremely important that Walker and Kleefisch hang on in Wisconsin. It’s good for Wisconsin and, ultimately, it sets a good precedent for the rest of the nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I3AjegyI-w&feature=colike

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

4,3…till CNN comes up with a poll showing Walker trailing by 10% :-)…

jimver on April 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Then vote for Romney and have a blast.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Do you think throwing this temper tantrum in every thread is helping your “cause” what ever that is?

sandee on April 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Do you think throwing this temper tantrum in every thread is helping your “cause” what ever that is?

sandee on April 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Which cause is that? I’m a TruCon, communist.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Dude, I say this with concern… but step away and grab a stiff drink… settle down before the ban hammer comes out. Your rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. today is not your day.

watertown on April 17, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Which cause is that? I’m a TruCon, communist.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

So you’re a communist… that explains it…

sandee on April 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Is it legal in Wisconsin to videotape in public places? A man with a camera trained onto the registration table will deter at least half the illegal votes. Some Madison students love voting 15 times, but ruining their future careers by a potential felony charge? Not so much.

Archivarix on April 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

I’m glad I live in Texas, the night of the election there is going to be scream of anger from the left that I will fortunately be far enough away that I won’t hear.

Tater Salad on April 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Which cause is that? I’m a TruCon, communist.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

you’re a s&*t head liberal masquerading as a ‘truecon’…you managed to full some, some of the time, but not working anymore…

jimver on April 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Which cause is that? I’m a TruCon, communist.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

You meant “TruCom”. right?

Archivarix on April 17, 2012 at 11:07 AM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Jesus H… you’re now against any poll that shows a HA backed candidate ahead…

If your point was about looking into the internals, fine.

But that’s not what you said.

I think you’re entering menopause.

budfox on April 17, 2012 at 11:07 AM

PPP has been really good with the WI recalls. They nailed everything last year and the one they misssed was only by a point or two.

This poll also shows Obama beating Romney by 6 pts.

gumbyandpokey on April 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

SIX POINTS??? Nope, not gonna happen. I don’t know what kind of kool-aid you’re drinking, but when you look at the previous presidential election when Bambi had the everybody drinking at the kool-aid fountain, he could pull this range and then an extra point or two. As it stands now, I think PPP would do better by double-checking their data. At this point, it would be a stretch for Bambi to pull +2 over Romney this fall.

I’m inclined (after seeing all the rediculous shennanigans from pollsters to date) to think it will be Romney with +2 to +3 come November, even after the Dems stuff the ballot boxes with dead votes.

Turtle317 on April 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

What good does it do for Gov. Walker to get the state’s finances in order if the Liberals are just going to waste taxpayer money fighting him? They should have to do all of this on their own dime. I can’t believe the citizens aren’t annoyed. Liberals keep everything in turmoil.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

After they lose this one, maybe the unions can waste millions trying to recall Wisconsin voters.

NoDonkey on April 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Why is it you annoy so many but not me? Must be annoying all the right people. Shut up, they say!!!

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Jesus H… you’re now against any poll that shows a HA backed candidate ahead…

If your point was about looking into the internals, fine.

But that’s not what you said.

I think you’re entering menopause.

budfox on April 17, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Are you people all incapable of understanding a simple point?

Let me try again:

When a poll shows a RomneyAir favorite winning, the poll is taken at face value. Examples are this poll of Walker, the FoxNews poll showing Romney winning.

But when a poll shows a RomneyAir favorite losing, such as the CNN poll yesterday, said poll is scrutinized.

Please tell me you’re not so dense as to not understand this.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM

What a tangled web the union/thugs/libs have woven in WI. I’m surprised the people living there actually remember which way up is.

Kissmygrits on April 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Well said, Cindy.

Don’t get lulled by any of these polls. Gov. Walker needs all of the support that can be mustered and money for ads if you can spare it. He is fighting a well-oiled Dem/union machine.

Wisconsin citizens should be proud of the restoration of fiscal sanity that Gov. Walker has introduced.

onlineanalyst on April 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Why is it you annoy so many but not me? Must be annoying all the right people. Shut up, they say!!!

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

People get annoyed by uncomfortable questions.

When you live your entire life in the FoxNews / Sean Hannity/ Rush Limbaugh / Glenn Beck bubble that says Romney is the greatest man to have ever lived, it’s annoying to hear someone question the awesomeness of Mittens.

I understand their frustration. It’s like a child being told there’s no Santa Clause. Anger quickly ensues.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM

.
Relevance is a Biatch.

FlaMurph on April 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

angryed on (Whenever)

Yesterday, in the Bill Maher thread, I said this about your posts:

You need to take it down a notch, son.

You may want to get some help. You have issues.

HeatSeeker2011 on April 16, 2012 at 3:52 PM

You are getting worse. Get help.

HeatSeeker2011 on April 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

I’m waiting for the RomneyAir line by line, word by word, investigation into this poll. Oh what’s that? The Republican is winning? Then no investigation is needed. The poll is 100% legit.

Carry on.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

So you are against Walker also? Are you just a lib preteding to be conservative?

steel guy on April 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

When you live your entire life in the FoxNews / Sean Hannity/ Rush Limbaugh / Glenn Beck bubble that says Romney is the greatest man to have ever lived, it’s annoying to hear someone question the awesomeness of Mittens.

I don’t listen or watch any of that and I like Mitt.

And the only realistic alternative at this point is four more years of Barack Obama.

That I really don’t like.

NoDonkey on April 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Are you people all incapable of understanding a simple point?

Let me try again:

When a poll shows a RomneyAir favorite winning, the poll is taken at face value. Examples are this poll of Walker, the FoxNews poll showing Romney winning.

But when a poll shows a RomneyAir favorite losing, such as the CNN poll yesterday, said poll is scrutinized.

Please tell me you’re not so dense as to not understand this.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM

It is not everyone but you who is confused. You simply have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to polls.

All polls are looked at. However, we know, at the start that Rasmussen, Gallup and several others use Registered Voters and have fairly even breakdowns. In other words, they are professionals, with reputations, and they do not want to tarnish that by running non-sensical polls.

Now, look at the other guys. The general consensus is that this is a close race. Yet, when polls like CNN come out that show a 11-13 point swing from 3 other polls, you look at the crosstabs. And many times, polls like the CNN polls do one of several things:

1. They dont disclose crosstabs. This makes the poll automatically useless.
2. Show a heavy slant to democrats. Again, this makes the poll useless as well, because there is literally no indication that that will be the case in November, and every indication that enthusiam favors Republicans.
3. Do not poll likely or registered voters. If a voter is not registered, and not likely to vote, they are useless, and should not be polled, or used to gauge elections.

So, that is why bad polls are questioned and polls from Rasmussen and Gallup are not. The bad polls almost always have one of the 3 defects that I just mentioned, and often times have more. While, you will almost never get such a mistake from one of the more reputable polls.

milcus on April 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM

I understand their frustration. It’s like a child being told there’s no Santa Clause. Anger quickly ensues.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Hello kettle meet black

steel guy on April 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Ease up.

CurtZHP on April 17, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Once a scorched earth policy has begun, it is difficult to stop.

cozmo on April 17, 2012 at 11:25 AM

I understand their frustration. It’s like a child being told there’s no Santa Clause. Anger quickly ensues.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM

You are not as smart as you think you are. Annoying a lot of the folks here at HA is no measure of smart. And sorry Cindy but this guy is a jerk and has said many times that he will vote for obambi.

VegasRick on April 17, 2012 at 11:30 AM

I’m waiting for the RomneyAir line by line, word by word, investigation into this poll. Oh what’s that? The Republican is winning? Then no investigation is needed. The poll is 100% legit.

I’m not interested in a lousy poll that shows my preferred candidate up. I suppose on what you think the purpose of a poll is. If what you are looking for is an accurate snapsot of the race so you know where and how to expend your resources, you need a good poll with proper respondant weighting and participant screening.

If you just want something to feel good about, here’s one you can fill out yourself:

BREAKING NEWS:

A new QNN poll puts __________ up solidly over ____________ by a margin of 59-36.

It will be every bit as valid as the crap that CNN and WaPo have been tossing around lately.

FuzzyLogic on April 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM

While I don’t listen to them daily, I think you might be wrong about Limbaugh in general and Beck specifically being mouth pieces for the Republicans. Hannity is a taking points recording sometimes seemingly incapable of an original thought. I might not feel that way if he wasn’t so robot and repetitive. Anyway, most of these folks really do understand what they are reading, they just want some glimmers of hope that we really will get rid of that mess that is currently occupying the White House. Nothing wrong with Santa Claus.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM

What good does it do for Gov. Walker to get the state’s finances in order if the Liberals are just going to waste taxpayer money fighting him? They should have to do all of this on their own dime. I can’t believe the citizens aren’t annoyed. Liberals keep everything in turmoil.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Cindy, we ARE annoyed. In fact I know of several people that don’t side with Walker but plan on voting for him SOLELY because they feel the recall process has been abused and the time to get rid of him will be when his term comes up, not now. It’s hard to believe but much of the state (if you exclude Milwaukee, Madison, Green Bay and LaCrosse) has a lot of people with a sense of right/wrong.

teejk on April 17, 2012 at 11:37 AM

I thought I was a TruCon. Make up your mind.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

You certainly appear to have flip-flopped.

How ironic.

Red Cloud on April 17, 2012 at 11:39 AM

So you are against Walker also? Are you just a lib preteding to be conservative?

steel guy on April 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

duh…

jimver on April 17, 2012 at 11:41 AM

You certainly appear to have flip-flopped.

How ironic.

Red Cloud on April 17, 2012 at 11:39 AM

He’s been a lib all along.

VegasRick on April 17, 2012 at 11:41 AM

He’s been a lib all along.

VegasRick on April 17, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Tell me more.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

He’s been a lib all along.

VegasRick on April 17, 2012 at 11:41 AM

It’s a possibility, but not nearly as strong a possibility as a complete and total nervous breakdown in progress. That’s what happens when you build someone’s potential success up as the end of the world, and then it happens and the world doesn’t end.

Red Cloud on April 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Tell me more.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Okay. You are a d-bag liar that hijacks threads with your “I’m a big consrvative but I’m voting for obambi because I don’t like Romney” bs, And you suck.

VegasRick on April 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM

angryed: As others have said, this poll actually gives us the ability to judge for ourselves how well it was done.

It reports the D/R/I split. If anything, this poll undersells Democrats.

I am very surprised at you. If the person above is correct, Obama is shown at +6 on this poll with 31/32/37 D/R/I. That is NOT good news for Romney by any stretch of the imagination.

The CNN poll you are talking about gave basically no useful information on how it was conducted, which to any student of polling (as I am), means that the poll is useless for determining the current state of the electorate. It might be true, but it might not, and we don’t know because we cannot follow a methodology that is not made explicitly known.

This poll, at the very least, does tell us its methodology. We can therefore discuss its results.

I, like you, think a President Romney will be a disaster for this country. He will be less of a disaster for America as a whole than Obama, but he will be much more of a disaster for conservatives, as he will be our standard-bearer.

Do you agree with this?

If you do, I must ask you this. What is more important to you, your country or your political ideology?

Scott H on April 17, 2012 at 11:48 AM

teejk on April 17, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Yep and those areas pull the rest of the state down. Ifs funny seeing this little area of blue swallowed by a whole bunch of red. Sadly it is not funny when you have to live with it though. I hope your right though… I do think getting rid of Walker will be the worst mistake and the most costly mistake this state would make.

FOR ONCE my property taxes have not gone up. My parents said this is the first time they can recall in recent memory that there has not been in increase…

watertown on April 17, 2012 at 11:50 AM

teejk on April 17, 2012 at 11:37 AM

I like to read Althouse so I get the feel of what it is like to be somewhat sane in a sea of crazy. I say somewhat sane because she voted for The Won.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Why is it you annoy so many but not me? Must be annoying all the right people. Shut up, they say!!!

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

That’s clever! /

In reality, we say it to all the Lefty trolls.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Scott H on April 17, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Don’t try to explain it to him. He’ll just ignore you and go back to his original claim. He doesn’t want to understand. He just wants to throw his temper tantrum.

Red Cloud on April 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

While I don’t listen to them daily, I think you might be wrong about Limbaugh in general and Beck specifically being mouth pieces for the Republicans. Hannity is a taking points recording sometimes seemingly incapable of an original thought. I might not feel that way if he wasn’t so robot and repetitive. Anyway, most of these folks really do understand what they are reading, they just want some glimmers of hope that we really will get rid of that mess that is currently occupying the White House. Nothing wrong with Santa Claus.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I haven’t listened to Rush in a while but to me he was always of the “Republican good, Democrat bad” ilk. Beck is a comedian and if you listen to him with that in mind, he is very entertaining. The funniest part is people actually think he’s for real. And Hannity, you’ve described perfectly.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I haven’t listened to Rush in a while but to me he was always of the “Republican good, Democrat bad” ilk.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

You say that like it’s a bad thing. Can somebody help this person find their way back to Daily Kos, please?

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 12:05 PM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Yep, when Beck gets serious, I change the station. I think Rush still believes that Republicans are better than Democrats he just wants conservatives to seize control. I think that is easier said than done, I don’t see anyone capable of standing up to both parties and the media to sell conservatism to the public. It’s not an easy sell when so many live in debt and our current financial situation doesn’t appear to have taught many the lessons that should be so obvious.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM

I, like you, think a President Romney will be a disaster for this country. He will be less of a disaster for America as a whole than Obama, but he will be much more of a disaster for conservatives, as he will be our standard-bearer.

Do you agree with this?

If you do, I must ask you this. What is more important to you, your country or your political ideology?

Scott H on April 17, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I see a Romney win in 2012 as the end of the conservative movement. From then on it will be hard left Democrats vs. center left Republican as the only 2 choices.

Here’s my analogy using an NFL team.
Right now we’re 0-16 with Obama as coach. Next year we have 2 options:

1. Stick with Obama and go 0-16 again but get the 1st round pick in 2016 with an actual conservative candidate for president.

2. Hire Romney as coach, go 5-11 but lose out on the 1st pick and basically be guaranteed a 5-11 season for the next 25 years. Yeah 5-11 is better than 0-16. But wouldn’t you rather have one more awful year for the chance to be 12-4 again?

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:07 PM

You know, since most of the college kidz are going to be away for summer break during the actual recall election, that’s going to put a huge dent in the Democrats numbers.

There’s no telling how many non-residents that attend school in Madison vote in Wisconsin elections.

BradTank on April 17, 2012 at 12:07 PM

You say that like it’s a bad thing. Can somebody help this person find their way back to Daily Kos, please?

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 12:05 PM

You’re the embodiment of the talk radio brainwashed fool.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Well said, Cindy.

Don’t get lulled by any of these polls. Gov. Walker needs all of the support that can be mustered and money for ads if you can spare it. He is fighting a well-oiled Dem/union machine.

Wisconsin citizens should be proud of the restoration of fiscal sanity that Gov. Walker has introduced.

onlineanalyst on April 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Don’t forget Lt. Gov. Kleefisch and the other Republicans. If even one of the Senators (or the Assemblyman running to succeed retired Sen. Pam Galloway) lose, the Democrats will officially have the Senate (they already effectively have the Senate with RINO ex-”Republican” “leader” Dale Schultz). If Kleefisch loses, the UnionRATs will be but one trumped-up conviction away from getting the governor’s office, and they already have a rather-leaky John Doe criminal investigation run by a Milwaukee County District Attorney’s office rife with signers of Walker recall petitions.

Steve Eggleston on April 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Okay, I can work with that. Here’s where you’re wrong: Obama gets in again? There is no league in 2013. No draft. Nothing. Done. That help?

Abiss on April 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Don’t try to explain it to him. He’ll just ignore you and go back to his original claim. He doesn’t want to understand. He just wants to throw his temper tantrum.

Red Cloud on April 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

You can say 2+2=5 100 times if you want. Doesn’t make it so. You are in a cult so you claim 2+2=5 if it makes your leader look good.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Okay, I can work with that. Here’s where you’re wrong: Obama gets in again? There is no league in 2013. No draft. Nothing. Done. That help?

Abiss on April 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Right because 4 more years of Obama will mean the end of the republic. The country survived a civil war, 2 world wars, a great depression, a cold war, Vietnam, 9/11. But it can’t survive another 4 years of Obama.

Every 4 years we’re told the same thing…this is the most important election ever. And if Candidate X wins, the country is over. It’s hyperbole.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:13 PM

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Okay, I can work with that. Here’s where you’re wrong: Obama gets in again? There is no league in 2013. No draft. Nothing. Done. That help?

Abiss on April 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM

“If Mitt wins the nomination, as seems very likely, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy. For my friends who have hesitation on that score, I’d just ask you to keep four things in mind: Justice Scalia just turned 78, Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year, Justice Breyer will be 76 in August, and Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago. We wish them all well, of course, but the brute fact is that whoever we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court — in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come. If you don’t think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, I think you’re smokin’ something funky.”

4 more years of obambi = End of the line folks.

VegasRick on April 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM

It’s a possibility, but not nearly as strong a possibility as a complete and total nervous breakdown in progress. That’s what happens when you build someone’s potential success up as the end of the world, and then it happens and the world doesn’t end.

Red Cloud on April 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Speaking of yourself on Nov 7th again.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:16 PM

4 more years of obambi = End of the line folks.

VegasRick on April 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Glenn Beck says so, therefore it musts be true!!! Did you also know that Van Jones has a top secret plan to take over the world. Glenn said so and he’s never wrong.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Steve Eggleston on April 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM

I don’t know how you guys stand this, it’s like constantly teetering on the edge of a cliff.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM

PPP has been really good with the WI recalls. They nailed everything last year and the one they misssed was only by a point or two.

This poll also shows Obama beating Romney by 6 pts.

gumbyandpokey on April 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

But the poll also showed considerable erosion of Obama support from the previous PPP poll, with Romney gaining steadily. The trend is not toward Obama, it’s away from him, putting Romney within striking distance.

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Right because 4 more years of Obama will mean the end of the republic. The country survived a civil war, 2 world wars, a great depression, a cold war, Vietnam, 9/11. But it can’t survive another 4 years of Obama.

Every 4 years we’re told the same thing…this is the most important election ever. And if Candidate X wins, the country is over. It’s hyperbole.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Logical fallacy. As if every great Empire hasn’t ended with those exact same words on some clueless persons lips.

Abiss on April 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Glenn Beck says so, therefore it musts be true!!! Did you also know that Van Jones has a top secret plan to take over the world. Glenn said so and he’s never wrong.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM

I don’t follow GB but obviously you do. Wake up dummy. Did you even read the quote? The SCOTUS is the key to this whole thing.

VegasRick on April 17, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I saw that PPP poll on my daily run through the idiot guantlet yesterday. Re: Walker they pressed the pollster to explain how this could be and he offerred up that people weren’t yet paying attention. He predicted they would focus as the election got closer, the dem candidate became elected and numbers would return to favor the dems in the governors race but couldn’t explain the margin in Kleefisch’s race other than the fireman with 40+ negs had no name recognition.

This ought to be good.

DanMan on April 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I don’t know how you guys stand this, it’s like constantly teetering on the edge of a cliff.

Cindy Munford on April 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Considering we spent the 8 years prior to Walker in free-fall off said cliff,….

Steve Eggleston on April 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM

When a poll shows a RomneyAir favorite winning, the poll is taken at face value. Examples are this poll of Walker, the FoxNews poll showing Romney winning.

But when a poll shows a RomneyAir favorite losing, such as the CNN poll yesterday, said poll is scrutinized.

Please tell me you’re not so dense as to not understand this.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM

When a poll refuses to reveal its weight samples or internal demographics yet produces a result that taxes credulity, it should be dismissed out of hand. This is not simple picking and choosing whatever we want to believe, it’s picking and choosing what makes the most sense based on the facts. Right now Gallup and Rasmussen, both clearly revealing their methodologies, are a thousand times more credible than CNN.

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM

I saw that PPP poll on my daily run through the idiot guantlet yesterday. Re: Walker they pressed the pollster to explain how this could be and he offerred up that people weren’t yet paying attention. He predicted they would focus as the election got closer, the dem candidate became elected and numbers would return to favor the dems in the governors race but couldn’t explain the margin in Kleefisch’s race other than the fireman with 40+ negs had no name recognition.

This ought to be good.

DanMan on April 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM

That “explanation” was a laugher. The UnionRATs have been focused on this since, quite literally, 11/3/2010, when they registered a Recall Walker domain name the day after Walker was elected, and not even the first somewhat-meaningful Republican Presidential primary in my voting lifetime could knock the recall off the radar screen.

Steve Eggleston on April 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Right now Gallup and Rasmussen, both clearly revealing their methodologies, are a thousand times more credible than CNN.

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Minor point of order – Rasmussen keeps its crosstabs behind a paywall (full disclosure – I do pay for access), but they are available.

Steve Eggleston on April 17, 2012 at 12:41 PM

You’re the embodiment of the talk radio brainwashed fool.

angryed on April 17, 2012 at 12:08 PM

you ARE the liberal brainwashed fool masquerading as true con…

jimver on April 17, 2012 at 12:42 PM

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