Question for House conservatives: How psyched are you about Mitt Romney?

posted at 4:16 pm on April 17, 2012 by Allahpundit

A perfect follow-up to yesterday’s NYT story about the uneasy alliance between our “Massachusetts moderate” nominee and the tea-party Republican House. Skip to 12:38 for 10 minutes from reps like Jim Jordan, Raul Labrador, and Louie Gohmert, who brought down the house:

Rep. Louie Gohmert, the aggressively quotable former judge from Texas, basically conceded the point. “If you’re not sure about whether to support Mitt Romney,” he joked, “whether you’re liberal, or whether you’re very conservative, you ought to be excited, because he’s been on your side at one time or another.”

That’s from Dave Weigel, who, along with Joshua Green, is snickering at the palpable hesitation about Romney in the first few replies here. (The group gets back on message at 17:10 when some rep whom I don’t recognize offhand chimes in with a fairly enthusiastic endorsement.) What could they realistically say, though? They need to balance party loyalty with grassroots credibility. If they came out waving their pompoms for Romney, no one would take it seriously and tea partiers would be irritated. If they spent 10 minutes dumping on him, the left would have a field day and GOP leaders, starting with Team Mitt, would be incensed. The polite “anybody but Obama” message is how to walk the line. Besides, that attitude has the benefit of reflecting the bulk of pro-Romney sentiment among voters thus far, assuming anyone still believes the data in yesterday’s CNN poll.

Romney’s co-existence with tea-party congressmen will be a continuing subplot to the campaign, so think of this vid as episode one.



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You’ve ginned up so much hatred

flataffect on April 17, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Romney ginned up the blueprint for ObamaCare. Get bent.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Anyone who even says this anymore is such a joke it’s not even worth laughing anymore.

It’s so amazing watching so-called conservatives accuse their peers of ideological dishonesty just because we won’t vote for your pathetic f**king engineer of ObamaCare.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Its an extremely narrow-minded way of thinking; “You are either with us or against us.” Sounds bravadoish in the reasoning, but wins you little allies in the process and just create far more enemies.

Then again, this has always been the favored tactic of Mitt Romney and his fanatical supporters. Procede to employ a scorched earth policy and then demand rather rudely to the recipients of that tactic to either vote for Romney or they are the scum of the Earth.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Not singling you out personally, because I’ve seen this line of thought multiple times, but I wouldn’t mind a little consistency from the TrueCons. I’m fairly certain the term Tokyo Rove comes from the O’Donnell fracas where TurdBlossom was written off for eternity as a heretic by the far-right wing of the party for mild criticism of a candidate who was almost universally considered a clown after the general election.

As to your actual point, I wouldn’t try to sell steak to a vegetarian, so it’s a fruitless exercise to try and sell Romney to those who have already made it abundantly clear that they won’t support him to get back at the moderate wing of the party.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM

I supported O’Donnell about as enthusiastically as I support Romney.

The problem is that the lesson we were given by the liberal Republicans in 2010 was that it was okay to campaign hard to elect Coons because they were sulking over Mike Castle’s defeat, but now we’re “traitors” for criticizing Romney? Several Romney supporters are still sulking and stamping their feet over Delaware 2010 even now and refuse to let it go.

Party unity has a two-way street. I believe that if any non-Romney candidate was the nominee, all of the people who piously declare “ABO!” would be threatening to vote Obama, just the same as all that talk about party unity went out the window the minute O’Donnell won in 2010. Likewise, where was party unity when Palin was being smeared with the blood libel in the Giffords affair? I don’t recall the positions of the commenters here, but our elected officials and party flacks were as quiet as church mice the entire time.

I frankly don’t see that the two segments of the party have much in common anymore except a desire to see the Democrats out of power. One half of the party openly doubts the other half’s committment to basic small government principles. The other half views the opposition as “wingnuts” and “extremists” and frequently accuses them of being closet Obama supporters. How do you step back from that?

The answer is you don’t.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Mitt and Barack have something in common.

Both display a certain “flexibility” that reflects the current political winds and the audience. But while Mitt seems to be prepared to repeatedly recast himself, he is pretty much who he appears to be. Barack, on the other hand, when he isn’t being what others project him to be, is a fabrication of Axelrod’s PR mill.

The contrast between the directions they would take the country is stark. And I can’t bear the thought of Dick Lugar (also unbound) getting a second chance to vote to confirm Eric Holder, this time for the Supreme Court.

novaculus on April 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Don’t vote for that clown. How can any conservative live with themselves actually voting for him?

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Honda’s being honest to his line of thought. I don’t agree with it, but if Romney is going to be as bad as many here make him out to be, isn’t it better to do all you can to make sure he doesn’t forever tarnish the brand of whatever party stands in opposition to the Democrats?

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM

This, this, and also this.

As I’ve said more times than I can remember…

This s**t is chess, it ain’t checkers.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Worst case scenario? Romney wins, and then completely follows his record in Mass. (i.e. the progressive record). We get 4-8 years of a progressive Republican and then we get 4-8 years of a progressive Democrat.

I am not going to vote for Obama, however I am also not going to vote for Romney either.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Romney is the nominee…like it or not. And now is not the time for infighting. We win, then we discuss the details and argue over the direction – issue by issue. If so many continue to put the cart before the horse, we’ll end up with 4 more years of looking at Michelle’s outfits and vacation photos.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Romney stinks, but he is not nearly as rancid as obama, so, I guess he’ll do (as if we have a choice). The future of America hangs in the balance – obama must go – let’s just hope that Romney is up to the task at hand. Enthusiasm for Romney will remain at rock bottom for the foreseeable future.

Pork-Chop on April 17, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Why don’t you ask Russians how Putin has worked for them (in place of his predecessors), or Chinese, or Cubans, or… The only thing that has changed is they can now legally open a private business as long as they “share” with the government, and by “share” I don’t mean taxes. Ask WalMart how this has worked for their expansion to Russia.

A choice between two evils still leaves one with an evil as a result.

And for those who can’t figure out the difference between “tea” and “TEA Party”, learn the difference instead of showing your liberal bend. Coffee party , Urine party, etc, are all (failed) liberal ideas. “TEA Party” does not stand for some corner cafe concoction.

So, how long do you guys keep repeating the process while expecting a different result?

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM

I am not going to vote for Obama, however I am also not going to vote for Romney either.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM

My children thank you for p*ssing on their future.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Romney is the nominee…like it or not. And now is not the time for infighting. We win, then we discuss the details and argue over the direction – issue by issue. If so many continue to put the cart before the horse, we’ll end up with 4 more years of looking at Michelle’s outfits and vacation photos.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Problem is, we tend to not be so blinded by hate towards Obama that we can’t see the pit we have dug for ourselves.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:19 PM

I suspect the rage against Romney in Republican ranks stems from red state unwillingness to surrender leadership of the party to a politician outside their boundaries. It certainly makes no sense in terms of factual analysis.

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:19 PM

My children thank you for p*ssing on their future.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM

At least they will respect me for standing fo my own beliefs instead of throwing them away like you have. Problem is, you have doomed them to a terrible future regardless.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Worst case scenario? Romney wins, and then completely follows his record in Mass. (i.e. the progressive record). We get 4-8 years of a progressive Republican and then we get 4-8 years of a progressive Democrat.

I am not going to vote for Obama, however I am also not going to vote for Romney either.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:15 PM

If Romney follows his Massachusetts record and passes cap & trade, raises taxes, supports gun bans, etc then he will be out in four years. The reason Obama is doing as well as he is, is because the MSM is covering for him. The MSM will not cover for Romney since he’s a Republican.

At that point we would be looking at a new Democrat president in 2016 most likely, so it would be 2020 before we could even begin to think about recovering.

This also assumes conservatives don’t walk out of the Republican party.

Most of this is an academic exercise though, since if we don’t get big spending cuts under whoever is president from 2012-2016, we’ll probably be looking at national bankruptcy before the 2016 election ever happens.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:21 PM

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:19 PM

It makes sense when you actually examine Romney’s track record and reversals of ideological stances.

Conservatives actually want a Conservative President. Imagine that.

kingsjester on April 17, 2012 at 5:21 PM

I suspect the rage against Romney in Republican ranks stems from red state unwillingness to surrender leadership of the party to a politician outside their boundaries. It certainly makes no sense in terms of factual analysis.

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:19 PM

It could also be because Romney repeatedly poked his thumb into the eyes of the Republican ranks, ever thought of that.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:22 PM

My children thank you for p*ssing on their future.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM

No, thank the GOP idiots who forced the progressive liberal down our throats. And yourself for blindly following like sheep to slaughter.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 5:23 PM

I suspect the rage against Romney in Republican ranks stems from red state unwillingness to surrender leadership of the party to a politician outside their boundaries. It certainly makes no sense in terms of factual analysis.

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:19 PM

I don’t live in a red state, and I am waiting to see if Romney tacks to the squishy center by summer. I am also waiting to see who Romney would bring into his administration. If he brings in the usual beltway go along, to get along establishment republicans, I’m done with him.

idesign on April 17, 2012 at 5:26 PM

I am not a political philosopher, but I find the notion of voting for someone because you can’t stand the other guy very insulting. Anyone but Obama- yeah sounds great, but did thousands of soldiers die in wars just so we can vote against someone….

OliverB on April 17, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Then again, this has always been the favored tactic of Mitt Romney and his fanatical supporters. Procede to employ a scorched earth policy and then demand rather rudely to the recipients of that tactic to either vote for Romney or they are the scum of the Earth.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:10 PM

The fact remains you are between a rock and a hard place. You can’t refuse to vote for Romney and not help Obama–which injures the country you supposedly love. There’s really no choice for you other than to hold your nose and vote for Romney in November.

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM

At that point we would be looking at a new Democrat president in 2016 most likely, so it would be 2020 before we could even begin to think about recovering.

This also assumes conservatives don’t walk out of the Republican party.

A year ago I would have dismissed that as crazy-talk. After all, everyone knows that the only way to get things done is through the Republican and Democratic parties.

However, tyhings are know to the point that conservatives are screwed either way. Faced with desperation because one of the parties has openly declared them the enemy and the other tends to use them as expendable cannon fodder, conservative will finally throw up their hands and completely destroy the Republican party.

I said before that for their to be creation, there must first be destruction. The Republican party is quickly approaching that point.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM

There are conservatives in the House?

Bishop on April 17, 2012 at 4:27 PM

About 80-100. When Paul Broun tried to reduce the monies in the agriculture bill that was all that voted to do so.

marinetbryant on April 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM

You can just feel the enthusiasm build. Exciting isn’t it?

Bmore on April 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM

First Rule of Romney Club: Everyone else is an 0bama Operative.

Second Rule of Fight Club: Everyone else is an idiot and an 0bama Operative

Me,, on this subject, I go by Wizards First Rule:

Wizard’s First Rule: people are stupid.
People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it’s true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.”

But mostly I Go by Ayn’s fourth Rule:

Let them destroy it all. It is the only way they will ever learn; Just head for the Gulch before it is too late.

LegendHasIt on April 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Nose holding is so 2008.

marinetbryant on April 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM

At least they will respect me for standing fo my own beliefs instead of throwing them away like you have. Problem is, you have doomed them to a terrible future regardless.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM

No, they’ll hate people like you for putting your own selfish desires above their freedom. They’ll hate you for helping give Obama four more years to destroy their country and their future. They won’t respect you.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM

The fact remains you are between a rock and a hard place. You can’t refuse to vote for Romney and not help Obama–which injures the country you supposedly love. There’s really no choice for you other than to hold your nose and vote for Romney in November.

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM

I think you misunderstand. Both are as equally disgusting, therefore it will be out of my hands either way.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:29 PM

I suspect the rage against Romney in Republican ranks stems from red state unwillingness to surrender leadership of the party to a politician outside their boundaries.
writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:19 PM

No, we don’t give a damn where they are from. We just want one who doesn’t suck, one who will fight for our values.

LegendHasIt on April 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM

No, they’ll hate people like you for putting your own selfish desires above their freedom. They’ll hate you for helping give Obama four more years to destroy their country and their future. They won’t respect you.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM

They may hate me for that, but they will definitely despise you for subjecting them to an eternity of progressivism. You are purposely sacrificing their future for the present comfort of getting rid of Obama. Besides, I could really care less about you or your kids so don’t pretend your appeal to my sentimental side will work.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM

No, they’ll hate people like you for putting your own selfish desires above their freedom. They’ll hate you for helping give Obama four more years to destroy their country and their future. They won’t respect you.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Get a grip…

idesign on April 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM

No, thank the GOP idiots who forced the progressive liberal down our throats. And yourself for blindly following like sheep to slaughter.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 5:23 PM

You guys are so full of yourselves, you make Obama look humble. I fart in your general direction.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM

You guys are so full of yourselves, you make Obama look humble. I fart in your general direction.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Are you in grade-school?

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM

No, they’ll hate people like you for putting your own selfish desires above their freedom. They’ll hate you for helping give Obama four more years to destroy their country and their future. They won’t respect you.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Keep repeating this, maybe you’ll believe it yourself.

Respect must be earned, before teaching someone else about respect you should look in the mirror… You guys already play the blame game, a la Hussein and Romney camps. If you are so convinced you are doing the right thing why do you even care what the rest of us think and do?

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM

My children thank you for p*ssing on their future.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM

My future children thank you for voting for Romney, ensuring that they will suffer under Democratic tyranny after his dismal administration sours America on Republicans for years to come.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Are you in grade-school?

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM

You guys have watched Planet of the Apes too many times. Do you meet in garages and pray to a tattered old copy of the Constitution?

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:37 PM

You purity conservatives have no idea of the hell that will be laid upon this nation under four more years of Obama, and probably three liberal Supreme Court appointees FOR FORTY YEARS. Mitt Romney may not be your “cup of conservatism”, but he’s within points of defeating the very liberalism that some of you seem to be willing to choke on for the rest of your adult lives. Try feeding on your egos and principles when there’s no possible return. And make no mistake, there will be no “going back” or cleansing of liberalism after four more years of Obama.

I for one would prefer to have a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and a moderate Republican President than to serve as a slave to an Obama government and the liberalist socialist pigs that will rein in power for decades.

Rovin on April 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I fart in your general direction.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM

That’s all you do every time you post, you mindless mutant.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

No, they’ll hate people like you for putting your own selfish desires above their freedom. They’ll hate you for helping give Obama four more years to destroy their country and their future. They won’t respect you.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Unless you believe Romney will cut spending steeply, the fact of the matter is that your children will have a much harder future ahead of them regardless of who wins one election. The fact is that to avoid a collapse at this point will require cuts that Romney is never going to make. The GOP, even under Reagan, has never reversed the trajectory of government growth.

At this point, we are about to go over the economic cliff. There is no “slowing it down” halfway measures anymore.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

You purity conservatives

Rovin on April 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

You cowardly moderate schmucks are dooming this country every time you support another empty suit flying the GOP flag.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM

They told me if I would just help elect Obama over McCain in 2008, the backlash would lead to a pure conservative candidate being nominated and elected in 2012….Wut?

a capella on April 17, 2012 at 5:40 PM

It could also be because Romney repeatedly poked his thumb into the eyes of the Republican ranks, ever thought of that.

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 5:22 PM

How? Be specific. He was given a good report by Club for Growth. He was endorsed by major pro-life organizations. He has an impeccable record in terms of family values. So what’s your gripe? Look at the attacks on him by Santorum and by Gingrich, either by them or their surrogates and you will see they are just as fierce as his. Santorum especially has been hard-hitting and fairly mean. So why is Mitt held to a higher standard. To me he needs to play rough–if he intends to beat Obama in the Fall. This is not a game for the polite or the squeamish.

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Unless you believe Romney will cut spending steeply, the fact of the matter is that your children will have a much harder future ahead of them regardless of who wins one election. The fact is that to avoid a collapse at this point will require cuts that Romney is never going to make. The GOP, even under Reagan, has never reversed the trajectory of government growth.

At this point, we are about to go over the economic cliff. There is no “slowing it down” halfway measures anymore.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

You can talk yourself blue in the face, but the fact is Romney is a better choice then Obama. You don’t always get everything you want in life. You take what you can get sometimes and you try to make it work. You don’t whine and cry like spoiled children and threaten to take your football and go home (not vote). Adults work things out. We elect Romney because he can win, then we discuss and we argue.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:10 PM

I don’t think anyone’s a traitor to the GOP for not supporting Romney, but why sit out? Reread Honda’s post on the previous page. It’s the natural extension of the Romney=Obama premise. The only way you get a stanchly conservative candidate anytime soon is going to be through the GOP, not the Democrats. So it follows that if Romney’s going to be terrible and just as bad as Obama, or, gasp, even worse, do you want to take the chance that he wins and the GOP ends up getting blamed for the mess?

I’m a big fan of civic duty and all that, so sitting out makes no sense to me at all. You want to punish the GOP establishment? Take your medicine and vote for Obama’s second term.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Romney is the nominee…like it or not. And now is not the time for infighting. We win, then we discuss the details and argue over the direction – issue by issue. If so many continue to put the cart before the horse, we’ll end up with 4 more years of looking at Michelle’s outfits and vacation photos.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:16 PM

people have been saying this since the new deal when it comes to the direction of the GOP…

joey24007 on April 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

So what’s your gripe?

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Spent ten years telling everyone who would listen how progressive he was, how not-conservative he was, how he wasn’t in favor of Reagan’s or Bush’s policies, how pro-choice he was, etc…and then changed his tune when it was politically advantageous.

Supported the assault weapons ban, and talked about “weapons of unusual lethality”, demonstrating typical leftist/elitist fear of firearms.

Provided the blueprint for ObamaCare. By the way, you do know we’re trying to UNDO ObamaCare, right?

This is not a game for the polite…

writeblock on April 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

As you and other Romney supporters have ably demonstrated, you miserable thugs.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

You purity conservatives have no idea of the hell…

Rovin on April 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Hey, moron, pay attention! This “purity conservative” struggled under USSR regime while you and your family of low IQ sheeple unable to think for themselves were flipping channels on dumb box in the comforts of family room couch.

Take your cheerleading and blame game for a self admitted progressive liberal somewhere else.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

They told me if I would just help elect Obama over McCain in 2008, the backlash would lead to a pure conservative candidate being nominated and elected in 2012….Wut?
a capella on April 17, 2012 at 5:40 PM

I was one of them that was saying that, maybe even the main one to advance the theory that foiur years of proof that socialism doesn’t work, that the squishes might learn from the disasters that would befall them..

I admit that I was wrong. It was foolish of me to underestimate the stupidity of the American Electorate, and esopecially the GOP leadership.. I knew they were dumb, but I thought they were teachable.

LegendHasIt on April 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

You purity conservatives have no idea of the hell that will be laid upon this nation under four more years of Obama, and probably three liberal Supreme Court appointees FOR FORTY YEARS.
Rovin on April 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

It’s more than forty years. It’s a permanent wreck into a socialist ditch.

All they have to do is rule once that the Federal Government has the right to force you into a private contract for insurance or any other product and servce and that it.

It’s over.

The Gov’t can do anything.

Enumerated powers will be cast into the dust bin of history.

They’ll have precident.

Future justices will argue stare decisis.

WisRich on April 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM

I’m a big fan of civic duty and all that, so sitting out makes no sense to me at all. You want to punish the GOP establishment? Take your medicine and vote for Obama’s second term.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM

BS…

You want to punish the GOP establishment? Work for, contribute to, elect Conservative candidates running for the House and Senate.

idesign on April 17, 2012 at 5:49 PM

This is just stupid. Obamacare might go down because we had RINOs in place who nominated conservative judges. (Or Citizens United anyone?) The fact that scotus is our best chance to get rid of the mist expansive piece of Big Government in our lifetime should make it clear to every conservative that we need to get Obama out of the WH. Can you imagine what the scotus would look like if Obama got 2 or 3 more nominees? It makes me shudder. And we have to chance to make the court unambiguously conservative, so that we dont have to rely on swinging Kennedy anymore.

If it were only the presidency I might have second thoughts about voting Willard, but with the scotus at stake? There is simply no reasonable alternative.

Valkyriepundit on April 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

You can talk yourself blue in the face, but the fact is Romney is a better choice then Obama. You don’t always get everything you want in life.

Right, because trying to make the government to stop the country from going bankrupt is just like asking mommy for a delicious cookie!

You take what you can get sometimes and you try to make it work. You don’t whine and cry like spoiled children and threaten to take your football and go home (not vote). Adults work things out. We elect Romney because he can win, then we discuss and we argue.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

How about you crybabies act like adults and try to persuade more conservatives who are on the fence to vote for Romney, instead of throwing screaming temper tantrums and telling Romney critics that they’re “traitors to America.” You aren’t entitled to be handed votes just because you whined and screamed for them.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM

That’s all you do every time you post, you mindless mutant.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Please, I beg you! For safety’s sake, don’t humiliate him!

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Oh, right. Take your lead from Dave Weigel.

flataffect on April 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM

My future children thank you for voting for Romney, ensuring that they will suffer under Democratic tyranny after his dismal administration sours America on Republicans for years to come.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Just out of curiosity, why did you disagree with Honda taking this argument into the voting booth? I hate to keep coming back to the Delaware race two years ago, but it’s the best analogy. I don’t live in the state, but if I had, I would have gladly voted for Coons. COD is and will forever be a rube, whether or not she’s in the Senate. She would have voted the right way, but having her as the face of the GOP for six years wouldn’t be worth it.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 5:57 PM

BS…

You want to punish the GOP establishment? Work for, contribute to, elect Conservative candidates running for the House and Senate.

idesign on April 17, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Funny, isn’t it, in a sarcastic way, that all of these self appointed experts still have no idea what’s going around them and that GOP is nothing more than a liberal party lite these days. I’d like to know how many of these fighters against “purity” even know what GOP has done to our best conservative voice in the House, Allen West, and how they deliberately re-drawn his district so that he may not be able to win his seat again come November.

And these morons have balls to teach us about what’s right for the country when facts are staring them in the face. Same old, same old is not the way to go.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Romney’s co-existence with tea-party congressmen will be a continuing subplot to the campaign, so think of this vid as episode one.

Man, it sure would be great to get some, you know, Conservative commentary up in here! Not the fake “angryed” kind or the Perez Hilton-snarky style, but rather the kind that doesn’t leave us wondering if the person is actually satisfied to let ObaMao have that second term with no accountability to the citizens of this country.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM

I admit that I was wrong. It was foolish of me to underestimate the stupidity of the American Electorate, and esopecially the GOP leadership.. I knew they were dumb, but I thought they were teachable.

LegendHasIt on April 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Nothing wrong with that. I’ll admit it sounded good to me, even if I didn’t follow that voting pattern. But, I’m not crazy about watching the same mistake being made again.

a capella on April 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM

How about you crybabies act like adults and try to persuade more conservatives who are on the fence to vote for Romney, instead of throwing screaming temper tantrums and telling Romney critics that they’re “traitors to America.” You aren’t entitled to be handed votes just because you whined and screamed for them.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Because you guys don’t listen. It’s like trying to keep your wife on topic in an argument.

jan3 on April 17, 2012 at 6:00 PM

This is just stupid. Obamacare might go down because we had RINOs in place who nominated conservative judges. (Or Citizens United anyone?)

Valkyriepundit on April 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

OK, I’ll play. Same as I did a couple of days ago and received no answer. So…

Can you please point out Romney’s record on judges? How many were conservative?

And please don’t start with an excuse that he was in a liberal state.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM

You aren’t entitled to be handed votes just because you whined and screamed for them.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Of course it’s your right to stay home on election day or vote for ObaMao if that’s what you want to do. We’re past trying to convince you to do the right thing (assuming you’re actually opposed to ObaMao) but don’t expect any pats on the back (except from angryed and his new BFF, urban elitist).

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Take your cheerleading and blame game for a self admitted progressive liberal somewhere else.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

I’m sorry that you don’t understand that four more years of Obama will put his government dependency factor so entrenched that lemmings like you will have no choice or the power to purge it. I’m a die-hard conservative Christian and proud of it. Yes, I would prefer a strong conservative President, but the alternatives that some of you offer here are pure insanity.

Rovin on April 17, 2012 at 6:03 PM

You want to punish the GOP establishment? Work for, contribute to, elect Conservative candidates running for the House and Senate.

idesign on April 17, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Assuming you’re effective, as soon as they win and have one tough vote where they don’t tow the line, all of a sudden the same crowd that got them there labels them part of the establishment.

As a semi-related aside, any Texan TruCons know if the grassroots has picked their Senate primary candidate? I hope it’s Cruz, but you never know.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Romney’s VP pick had better be all about the base. McCain got that message, at least.

TexasDan on April 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Rovin,

Like I said above, I am not sure what the deal is with so many calling us clueless for our beliefs, if you guys are so convinced you are doing the right thing, then go ahead with the choice you have made. No problem from where I sit.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:06 PM

As you and other Romney supporters have ably demonstrated, you miserable thugs.
MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Aw, still angry after all these years. Note to the so-called “thugs”: The key to MadCon’s heart is to “undermine” Mitt Romney. Do that and you’ll earn the sobriquet “adorable puppy” and get some Skittles as a special treat.

Buy Danish on April 17, 2012 at 6:06 PM

How about you crybabies act like adults and try to persuade more conservatives who are on the fence to vote for Romney, instead of throwing screaming temper tantrums and telling Romney critics that they’re “traitors to America.” You aren’t entitled to be handed votes just because you whined and screamed for them.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:54 PM

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone post on HotAir this month who’s on the fence about Romney.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 6:06 PM

I don’t think anyone’s a traitor to the GOP for not supporting Romney, but why sit out? Reread Honda’s post on the previous page. It’s the natural extension of the Romney=Obama premise. The only way you get a stanchly conservative candidate anytime soon is going to be through the GOP, not the Democrats. So it follows that if Romney’s going to be terrible and just as bad as Obama, or, gasp, even worse, do you want to take the chance that he wins and the GOP ends up getting blamed for the mess?

I’m a big fan of civic duty and all that, so sitting out makes no sense to me at all. You want to punish the GOP establishment? Take your medicine and vote for Obama’s second term.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM

I haven’t decided yet whether or not to sit out (and even if I did, I’d still vote for downticket races). I also live in a hard blue state so my vote doesn’t really matter. We’ll see what happens during the general and what kind of policies get proposed now that Romney doesn’t have to worry about his conservative critics anymore.

I also don’t even want a “staunch conservative.” I’m not even sure what that means. What I want is a candidate who takes the fiscal crisis facing America seriously and is willing to go after things like entitlements. If I thought there was a Democrat that would actually do this, I would vote for the Democrat. The overwhelming sense I have from both parties is that it’s just “business as usual” and that the specter of a national economic disintegration is just another political football to be kicked around. jan3 is a prime example of these people.

Just out of curiosity, why did you disagree with Honda taking this argument into the voting booth? I hate to keep coming back to the Delaware race two years ago, but it’s the best analogy. I don’t live in the state, but if I had, I would have gladly voted for Coons. COD is and will forever be a rube, whether or not she’s in the Senate. She would have voted the right way, but having her as the face of the GOP for six years wouldn’t be worth it.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 5:57 PM

At the time, after Delaware was done, I had a bad feeling that it was going to be a “test run” for 2012. So your analogy is really not all that bad.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Romney’s VP pick had better be all about the base. McCain got that message, at least.

TexasDan on April 17, 2012 at 6:04 PM

And the only reason McCain was even in the touching distance.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:08 PM

If Romney follows his Massachusetts record and passes cap & trade, raises taxes, supports gun bans, etc then he will be out in four years. The reason Obama is doing as well as he is, is because the MSM is covering for him. The MSM will not cover for Romney since he’s a Republican.

At that point we would be looking at a new Democrat president in 2016 most likely, so it would be 2020 before we could even begin to think about recovering.

This also assumes conservatives don’t walk out of the Republican party.

Most of this is an academic exercise though, since if we don’t get big spending cuts under whoever is president from 2012-2016, we’ll probably be looking at national bankruptcy before the 2016 election ever happens.

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:21 PM

Exactly we are totally screwed.

Obama might actually be a bit better as then we would have a chance of a decent candidate in 2016.

So far Romney is becoming much more like Obama. He has not proposed one thing the least bit conservative.

I will vote for Obama unless Romney sees the light. A vote for a decent candidate in 2016.

Steveangell on April 17, 2012 at 6:09 PM

OK, I’ll play. Same as I did a couple of days ago and received no answer. So…

Can you please point out Romney’s record on judges? How many were conservative?

And please don’t start with an excuse that he was in a liberal state.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Yes, it was liberal Massachusetts with huge Dem majorities. Thats not an excuse, thats a “fact”. I mean do you seriously believe Willard would play Massachusetts politics when he is potus? Why would he?

But even if there is a risk involved, isnt taking the risk with Willard better than enabling the certainty of another 2 or 3 Obama appointments?

Valkyriepundit on April 17, 2012 at 6:11 PM

a capella on April 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM

At this point in time our only choices are dying of a slow poison or a fast one.

Some choose the slow one, hoping that a miracle will occur before their last gasp; others for the fast one, and hope that something decent will rise from their ashes.

LegendHasIt on April 17, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Just out of curiosity, why did you disagree with Honda taking this argument into the voting booth? I hate to keep coming back to the Delaware race two years ago, but it’s the best analogy. I don’t live in the state, but if I had, I would have gladly voted for Coons. COD is and will forever be a rube, whether or not she’s in the Senate. She would have voted the right way, but having her as the face of the GOP for six years wouldn’t be worth it.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 5:57 PM

When you cast a vote for a candidate, you take responsibility for that candidate’s decisions and choices. Hence, I have never supported Obama, nor will I ever. I disagree almost entirely with his worldview and ideological viewpoint, and so I refuse to give him any endorsement, one way or another.

In the same way, I have never supported Romney, nor will I ever. I made my mind up in 2007 when he went on Meet the Press and demonstrated his ability to attack gun rights in a way that would make Jim Brady proud. Add to that his history of claiming he was a leftist, only to change his tune when it suited his latest quest for power, and I lost any respect for him right about the same time I was cheering for Fred Thompson.

Neither Obama nor Romney come anywhere close to conservative, by my estimation, and so I will not support either of them. I hold no grudge against those who do vote for Romney, as I completely understand where they are coming from. Some of them are coming from abject fear, which I consider a dangerous incentive in politics, but I cannot change that.

So, we will have an election. Whoever wins, I will not take responsibility for their decisions, because I believe they will both take this country further off the fiscal cliff, and possibly destroy a few more of our civil liberties on the way. Do I hate Obama more than I hate Romney? Without a doubt. However, I see Romney as little more than a diet version of Obama. Both are socialists, both are frauds, both are slimy c**ksucking politicians that will do or say anything to get elected, and both are prime examples of the disgusting Washington power machine that needs to be destroyed.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Buy Danish on April 17, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Your obsession is beginning to make csdeven look sane.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Every four years it’s the same disgusting thing- I am completely sick of it. We are told that this election is the most important election of all-time. That if we don’t vote for some squishy, plastic, self-hating, moderate-republican our country will be doomed. I’m tired of it. I’m tired of falling prey to some scumbag PR hack that uses fear to motivate voters to support a generic candidate who stands for absolutely nothing.

As for VPs- I could care less. VP’s do not run the country. I rather have one good Senator who can actually influence policy on committees as to oppose to a straight laced conservative out of the loop as Vice-President.

OliverB on April 17, 2012 at 6:16 PM

I mean do you seriously believe Willard would play Massachusetts politics when he is potus? Why would he?

Valkyriepundit on April 17, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Let me turn the question on its head. Romney has a mostly-bad record as you’ve acknowledged. What makes you think he would not govern in this way? What makes you so certain that he is a secret conservative and that he didn’t govern according to his actual beliefs? Is it his current campaign rhetoric that has convinced you? Just the fact that he was a businessman?

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Your obsession is beginning to make csdeven look sane.
MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 6:15 PM

You don’t like being reminded of your own words? You own them and I’m not about to forget them.

Buy Danish on April 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Rovin,

Like I said above, I am not sure what the deal is with so many calling us clueless for our beliefs, if you guys are so convinced you are doing the right thing, then go ahead with the choice you have made. No problem from where I sit.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Thanks for toning down the insults riddick, I never said your strong beliefs were clueless, (in fact, I admire them) only I question if you really understand the ramifications of another Obama tenure. And I do understand that many of us, (myself included) would prefer a stronger conservative candidate that could also send Obama home for good. That doesn’t seem to be in the cards. Perhaps he could be replaced with one of our “young guns” waiting in the wings in four years. I’m just planning on doing everything in my power to unseat the current administration that WILL DESTROY THIS NATION AS WE KNOW IT, if we give him four more years to accomplish his goals……

Rovin on April 17, 2012 at 6:23 PM

You don’t like being reminded of your own words? You own them and I’m not about to forget them.

Buy Danish on April 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Wow, you brave and cunning hero. You’re thwarting the fact that I refuse to be silent about the fact that Romney is a socialist, and the engineer of the framework for ObamaCare. Huzzah and hurrah.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 6:24 PM

But even if there is a risk involved, isnt taking the risk with Willard better than enabling the certainty of another 2 or 3 Obama appointments?

Valkyriepundit on April 17, 2012 at 6:11 PM

There is no certainty, of course. That said, I have no idea why I should vote for someone who was “chosen” for me by the same morons who voted for Hussein in 2008. Yes, those “smart” and “educated” morons in Iowa and other early GOP primary states who ensured we are now stuck with a progressive liberal. If anything, any state who voted for Hussein in prior election should not even be in the process of GOP Primaries this time around. Simple rule.

And this is where you and I part company, we see things through very different lenses and thus, can’t agree on factual data. I cannot trust anyone whose record, so far, has been nothing but progressive liberal. I cannot trust anyone who has openly stated he is a progressive liberal. I cannot trust anyone who gave us HusseinCare via RomneyCare. I cannot trust anyone who told underage girls they should ignore their parents and demand court orders to have abortions (although I am not against abortions, per se). I cannot trust anyone who, so farm, has been against Second Amendment. I cannot trust anyone who has never nominated a real conservative for judicial bench.

I can go on and on.

If you and others believe Romney is the right candidate, then go for it. Just do not ridicule any of us who have different beliefs, beliefs that are based on certain FACTUAL DATA and beliefs that are based on real world experience (mine comes from my life in USSR) while yours are based on HOPE and suppositions.

I hope you understand the difference between FACTS and HOPE.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:25 PM

I’m just planning on doing everything in my power to unseat the current administration that WILL DESTROY THIS NATION AS WE KNOW IT, if we give him four more years to accomplish his goals……

Rovin on April 17, 2012 at 6:23 PM

A nearly 250 year old nation can apparently be undone by two terms of an idiot who probably drinks more than a fish.

I’d hate to be as fearful as you.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 6:25 PM

What I want is a candidate who takes the fiscal crisis facing America seriously and is willing to go after things like entitlements. If I thought there was a Democrat that would actually do this, I would vote for the Democrat.
Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 5:21 PM

I agree 100%. 2016 will be interesting if Cuomo gets the Democratic nod. I’m not quite as pessimistic about the urgency of fiscal reform, so I’m willing to go with Romney now that it’s a two-man race with the knowledge that a victory means he will be the guy in 2016. Both sides of this argument are operating on a lot of assumptions. My assumption is that at the very worst, Romney wouldn’t make things worse in terms of debt and turns the economy around. I don’t want to endure four more years of Obama with the hope that a Paul Ryan type wins the primary and general in 2016.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Let me turn the question on its head. Romney has a mostly-bad record as you’ve acknowledged. What makes you think he would not govern in this way? What makes you so certain that he is a secret conservative and that he didn’t govern according to his actual beliefs? Is it his current campaign rhetoric that has convinced you? Just the fact that he was a businessman?

Doomberg on April 17, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I think conservatives have established quite unambiguously – since Harriet Miers – that they expect conservative judges from Republicans. Even liberal Rudy Giuliani understood that.

I dont think that Willard is a conservative, but he is a pragmatist we can work with. At least he is not an alinskyite radical, determined to undermine the constitutional order of the US. Thats not much, but it will suffice for this election.

Valkyriepundit on April 17, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Wow, you brave and cunning hero. You’re thwarting the fact that I refuse to be silent about the fact that Romney is a socialist, and the engineer of the framework for ObamaCare. Huzzah and hurrah.
MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 6:24 PM

What does my bravery or cunning have to do with your admission that Palin was “undermining” our candidates? As for Mitt, he’s not a Socialist. But you are a dumbass and really nasty one to boot. And lest we forget what a whiny baby you are, I do recall you having a tantrum once because I responded to an incoherent comment with “?????”. You’re like the Green Room’s angryed.

Note: Lest you accuse me of misquoting you, I may not have the exact number of question marks down. It could have been 3 or 4 and not 5….

Buy Danish on April 17, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Woops. Sorry about the strike above. The last thing I want to do is cross out MadCons words. I like to highlight every one of them.

Buy Danish on April 17, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Question for House conservatives: How psyched are you about ObaMao getting reelected? Think about that before you run your mouth about Romney.

Time to grow up, folks.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:34 PM

As for Mitt, he’s not a Socialist. But you are a dumbass and really nasty one to boot.

Buy Danish on April 17, 2012 at 6:31 PM

So says a clueless, nasty dumb ass. Pay attention here, facts are a funny thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMcjJEXt9To

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:38 PM

I’d hate to be as fearful as you.

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 6:25 PM

You don’t have to live under Jerry Brown’s insanity,(for the third frikken time!) or the liberal machine that has run California since Reagan left. This state government has been running as a welfare state for decades with liberals loving the dependency like a drug. There is no possibility of purging this dependency MC—-EVER. And yes, I am fearful of this cancer spreading from the very top. At 60 I’ve never felt this way—having this fear.

Rovin on April 17, 2012 at 6:39 PM

I cannot trust anyone who gave us HusseinCare via RomneyCare.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:25 PM

The only person who has given us “HusseinCare” is Barack Hussein ObaMao, the Unicorn Emperor. To say anything else is simply to repeat the Left’s talking points. Since you claim to have lived in the Soviet Union I’d think you’d be a little more wary abour relying too heavily on the Left’s talking points.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Question for House conservatives: How psyched are you about ObaMao getting reelected?

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:34 PM

About as much as getting Romney elected. No difference from I sit, RomneyCare and all that.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:40 PM

So says a clueless, nasty dumb ass. Pay attention here, facts are a funny thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMcjJEXt9To

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Intellectual honesty is also very important. You should get some. You won’t regret it.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Your obsession is beginning to make csdeven look sane.
MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Come to think of it, whatever happened to him?

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 6:41 PM

About as much as getting Romney elected. No difference from I sit, RomneyCare and all that.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Yes, I know. That’s why you don’t have any credibility except in the eyes of your fellow hysterical ABR misfits.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:42 PM

The only person who has given us “HusseinCare” is Barack Hussein ObaMao, the Unicorn Emperor. To say anything else is simply to repeat the Left’s talking points. Since you claim to have lived in the Soviet Union I’d think you’d be a little more wary abour relying too heavily on the Left’s talking points.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Ever hear “Lead by example”? That example was RomneyCare.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Yes, I know. That’s why you don’t have any credibility except in the eyes of your fellow hysterical ABR misfits.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Cicerone is turning in his grave by now. You do him a great disservice.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Time to grow up, folks.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:34 PM

If I recall correctly, aren’t grown-ups the cause of this catastrophe?

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 6:44 PM

MadisonConservative on April 17, 2012 at 6:14 PM

It’s funny to me that when I read the explanations of the conservatives opposed to Romney that in four, or more hopefully, eight years from now, we’ll be fighting the same fight. I’ve never been that enthusiastic about Romney, one way or the other, which I believe is the perception of the average American who doesn’t heavily follow politics. However, I detest the Obama administration. It’s not even so much about President Obama, I think he’s in over his head and the only prior experience he has of any weight was as an academic, living in theory and not reality. Unfortunately, the people who he places in positions of power, the Van Jonses, the Jarrets, the Berwicks, the Kohs, et al. are very dangerous and need to go back to teaching theories at liberal private schools.

Everyone seems to want an affirmative argument for Romney. Having only supported him the past two months, I can only relay the reason I came around.

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 6:44 PM

If I recall correctly, aren’t grown-ups the cause of this catastrophe?

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 6:44 PM

You’re appealing to those who can actually think. In this case its the brain dead you’re talking to.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:45 PM

A nearly 250 year old nation can apparently be undone by two terms of an idiot who probably drinks more than a fish.

You really think he’s a heavy drinker??? I’ve not thought of that and haven’t heard much other than his beer-drinkin’ summits—perhaps I’m naive of this one.

Rovin on April 17, 2012 at 6:46 PM

It’s funny to me that when I read the explanations of the conservatives opposed to Romney that in four, or more hopefully, eight years from now, we’ll be fighting the same fight.

And the tragic comedy is allowed to go on in error…

eva3071 on April 17, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I think he’s in over his head…

Client Number Nine on April 17, 2012 at 6:44 PM

And this is where your logic, or lack of it, is showing. Why do you and other GOP brainiacs insist that Hussein is over his head when, in fact, he knows exactly what he is doing? As a child of well known communist (paid for and trained by USSR) and himself brainwashed in USSR youth camps (look up Artek) Hussein is doing what he trained to do all along, destroy USA from within. Soros investing so heavily in this guy is just another proof (Soros and Russian Commies are close friends gong back a while now).

Exactly why voting for someone a bit less extreme still does not solve the problem nor leads to improvement. Status quo is not what we need right now, deep cuts are the only way out. Romney is not going to do that, based on his own record so far.

riddick on April 17, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Question for House conservatives: How psyched are you about ObaMao getting reelected? Think about that before you run your mouth about Romney.

Time to grow up, folks.

cicerone on April 17, 2012 at 6:34 PM

I didn’t know that grown-ups told people how to vote.

OliverB on April 17, 2012 at 6:55 PM

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