Breaking: Senate vote on Buffett Rule fails, of course; Update: Collins votes yes, Pryor votes no

posted at 7:15 pm on April 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

The vote began at 6:05 ET and as of an hour later they’re still holding it open, so we’ll have to wait for the final tally. The outcome isn’t in doubt but I’m curious to see if anyone from either party crossed the aisle. If ever Democrats could expect a lockstep vote from their caucus it, this is it. New from CNN, the breakdown when adults are asked whether they support a 30 percent minimum tax on people who earn more than a million dollars per year:

Majorities across the board say yes — including among Republicans. Is that enough of a nudge to get squishes like Scott Brown and Lisa Murkowski to vote yay for a lame populist pander that does almost nothing to reduce the deficit? We’ll find out any minute now. My own take on this is that, while swing voters are happy to support higher taxes on the rich when asked, they simply don’t care much. Ask them about jobs and gas prices and their eyes light up; ask them about this and you’ll get a diffident “yeah, I guess.” For a contrarian take, though, read Jazz Shaw’s response this past weekend urging conservatives not to underestimate the powerful appeal of a “fairness” narrative. I personally can’t imagine a scenario where the economy slogs along but voters decide to roll the dice on four more years anyway because O promises to squeeze a few extra pennies out of millionaires, but we’ll see.

Either way, bear in mind that this issue is simply a skirmish in the wider war to come over letting the Bush tax cuts lapse. I’m not sure, in fact, why O bothered with a gimmick like this when he could have spent the last few months making the case for those tax hikes instead. It’s the same basic argument — the rich need to pay their “fair share” — but in that case, he’d at least be able to point to trillions in new revenue to support his position. That is to say, there’s a fiscal argument to be made for killing the Bush tax cuts. The only argument to be made for the Buffett Rule, really, is moral based on an arbitrary definition of “fairness.” Why fight a battle like that on unfavorable ground? Maybe, I guess, just to force the GOP into voting it down so that you’ve got an extra little talking point for the campaign.

While we wait, here’s an RNC tribute to The One’s artistry in excuse-making. Add tonight’s vote on the “Buffett Rule,” a red herring on serious fiscal reform if ever there was one, to this list.

Update: The vote was 51/45. Stand by for the roll.

Update: As promised, here’s the roll. Straight party line — with two very predictable exceptions. Belated exit question: Why didn’t Scott Brown vote yes? Elizabeth Warren’s going to bludgeon him with this. Either he strongly agrees with me that the Buffett Rule is an electoral nothingburger or he’s being a surprisingly loyal party soldier this time.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4 5 7

Why dont republicans compromise at all? They only control 1/3rd of the goverment and they hold it hostage.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Actually, Republicans only control 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government.

Mitoch55 on April 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM

LOL, your a funny guy

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM

And you’re not very bright either.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM

WHy are there more fillibusters since republicans have been in the minority of the senate than any other time in history?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:20 PM

i assume your abrupt change iof subject is your tacit acknolegment of your ….error re: budget reconcil? if so, we can proceed. we are making progress with you.

your change of topic: put on your thinking cap…now WHY would procedural measures defined in the constitution to thwart dangerous and disatrous legislation be needed? why would that BE? lets think together…what do you guess?

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Olympia Snowe is the most surprising no vote.

Mark1971 on April 16, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM

I learned a few things, but the facts still remain that fillibusters are higher than ever now, and that shows a broken government.

I am not defending Democrats for not passing a budget, I have never agreed with it, but I still stand by the fillibuster issue.

Republicans passed out a memo to not pass anything, that shows that something is broken that they will blanket reject anything and everything for political theatre without even knowing what would come up for votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I learned a few things, but the facts still remain that fillibusters are higher than ever now, and that shows a broken government.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

You can keep repeating the lie, but it is still a lie.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Why dont republicans compromise at all? They only control 1/3rd of the goverment and they hold it hostage.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM
Actually, Republicans only control 1/2 of 1/3rd of the government.

Mitoch55 on April 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM

I think Lib4life understood US Government to a greater degree than Damian.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Are we graced with the online presence of debbie downer?

tom daschle concerned on April 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM

i assume your abrupt change iof subject is your tacit acknolegment of your ….error re: budget reconcil?
 
t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:25 PM

 
I think you’re onto something there. He won’t even acknowledge the ABC link with the White House admitting the mistake he’s citing.
 
Look! Squirrel!

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Olympia Snowe is the most surprising no vote.

Mark1971 on April 16, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Yes, also Murkowski.

redridinghood on April 16, 2012 at 8:29 PM

I think Lib4life understood US Government to a greater degree than Damian.
 
CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM

 
Poll/Tests 2012!

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Wow. Just, wow.

So they didn’t teach American Civics at the Catholic school, eh?

CycloneCDB on April 16, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Apparently they didn’t teach it spelling or punctuation, either. If “1967″ is it’s birthdate, this means it’s my age, and I always find it disappointing when grownups that went to school during the Reagan yrs are this stupid. *sigh*

di butler on April 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Republicans passed out a memo to not pass anything, that shows that something is broken that they will blanket reject anything and everything for political theatre without even knowing what would come up for votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

What is the purpose of having a Senate?
We have the House….Majority rules…..right?

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

t8stlikchkn on April 16, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Dangerous? I think many of the bills held up are far from dangerous, there is more a matter of opinion.

The trend of blocking almost everything is setting bad presedent, and it will be an issue when the republicans have the senate as well now, because they set the precedent.

For republicans to have thier side sign on to a commitment to block anything and everything without knowing what it would be to come up for a vote, is not blocking bad bills, it is blocking everything.

You think thats good policy?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM

damian1967

…wrong handle!…should be…dunce!1967

KOOLAID2 on April 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

If you want to throw the USC out the window, sure.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Illegals do pay taxes, everytime they buy something.

and they use their illegal under the table cash incomes or
food-stamps and welfare checks to buy stuff, right ? Guess we must be than kful to illegals for paying sales taxes now because they do us such a huge favor !

And also:

In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM

So , how much money did IRS give out to illegals as tax refunds ?
How much money did SSA give out to illegals and their anchor babies for welfare and disability payments?
How much money does it cost to feed and house and clothe and educate and medicate and incarcerate and police these illegals and their anchor-babies ?
I can go on, but you get the drift, right ?/

burrata on April 16, 2012 at 8:34 PM

di butler on April 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

My spelling is fine, I just tend to type to fast and not look at what I am typing.

I am not a touch typer, I am a hunt and peck typer.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:35 PM

For republicans to have thier side sign on to a commitment to block anything and everything without knowing what it would be to come up for a vote, is not blocking bad bills, it is blocking everything.

You think thats good policy?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Wow your so smurt and thier not./

Seriously, did you even go to school in these United States?

You’re really not as smart as you think .

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:36 PM

For republicans to have thier side sign on to a commitment to block anything and everything without knowing what it would be to come up for a vote, is not blocking bad bills, it is blocking everything.

You think thats good policy?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Republicans have a majority in the House…only…
But we can’t forget why that is…Nov. 2010…
Obama was voted to President in 2008 by emotion mainly…

The People spoke in 2010…

It takes time to correct a mistake…
Our founders put that in place for you and me..

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM

..and that’s another liberal/left-wing canard. There are a number of studies that hold there is a net negative impact on the economy given the added traffic on the health care system, the tax credits they receive, the law enforcement, justice, and prison systems, and other burdens.

Those costs more than offset the pathetic windfall of dollars that illegals leave behind.

But, here, go have this discussion with yourself.

The War Planner on April 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM

peck typer.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Nah you’re just a pecker.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Do they decide before the vote who’s going to be “bipartisan”?

Cindy Munford on April 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

If you want to throw the USC out the window, sure.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I think you misread my meaning…

The Senate is essential to slow down the gears of a tragedy underway.

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Republicans passed out a memo to not pass anything

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

You have to vote against it to find out what’s in it.

Heh. Indeed.

Christien on April 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

burrata on April 16, 2012 at 8:34 PM

The same year as that report, illegals cost the american tax payers 11.2 billion. This would mean it is a wash out for what they contribute just in payroll taxes paid.

The IRS does not give refunds to mis-matched SS Numbers. so they money went into the system, but did not get paid out to illegals so far as a “refund” goes.

But the actual money spent out on the welfare side of it, is a wash to what was put in and never paid out.

I know thats hard to swallow, but in essence the US actually gains money in local revenue from sales taxes, whereas the federal dollars are washed out.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Christien on April 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I am not saying these laws should of been passed, but they should of been debated. Cutting off the debate is not really good policy that has now become the norm.

Every (well just about every) bill should be debated and heard.

And that’s both sides, I don’t think democrats should reject hearing and debating republican bills either.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:42 PM

he cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a staggering $113 billion a year — an average of $1,117 for every “native-headed” household in America — according to a study conducted by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/#ixzz1sFns83Bf

Sorry damian the cost of illegal immigraion is much higher. Why do you lie?

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Republicans passed out a memo to not pass anything, that shows that something is broken that they will blanket reject anything and everything for political theatre without even knowing what would come up for votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

See, you have this fundamental flaw in your reasoning where you believe that Congress passing bills is actually a good thing, when it is most certainly not.

Embrace the gridlock. Your freedom will thank you for it.

Defenestratus on April 16, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Republicans passed out a memo to not pass anything

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Really? Hmmmm.

canditaylor68 on April 16, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I know thats hard to swallow, but in essence the US actually gains money in local revenue from sales taxes, whereas the federal dollars are washed out.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Even if you weren’t a liar that would mean you a rallying to exploit illegals. Hmmm. I am learning more and more about you. Not very much the lover of humanity eh?

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

True, but the senate should debate bills, all bills as in my previous post. You possibly cannot say every bill that they blocked would be a tragedy for the country.
I can’t even say that about every Republican bill.
I am saying they all should get a fair shake and debate. Not just block everything.

They don’t work that hard in the Congress and Senate anyways; debate on these bills wouldn’t kill them.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

California alone has 100k illegals in its prison system. I don’t think those boys are buying enough goods to make up their costs in sales taxes./

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I am not lying about the numbers, look them up, they are easy to find.

And I am not supporting or against illegals. I do not see it as major of an issue as people make it out to be.
I know 3 people that are illegals in this country, and they get paid by check, pay their taxes, and never get it back because they cannot file a tax return.
It is just true facts about the system as it is right now.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:47 PM

peck typer.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Nah you’re just a pecker.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

…wow oh…CW…beat me!

KOOLAID2 on April 16, 2012 at 8:47 PM

51 votes, 60 votes, not of that explains why Democrats didn’t pass a budget the first 2 years of Oblamer.

Wagthatdog on April 16, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Every (well just about every) bill should be debated and heard.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:42 PM

You cannot even be consistent in your nutballyness.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Illegal immigration is a rip-off of the American people.

Peter A. Schulkin received his PhD in economics from Harvard and is former Director of Research for the National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts and former Senior Vice President of a real estate arm of Wells Fargo & Co. He has taught at several universities, including UCLA.

——————————————————————————–

Summary: The July 7, 2011, report of the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration provides summary data from IRS tax returns that show illegal immigrants collected far more in dollars from the IRS than they paid in federal income taxes for each year in the period of 2005-2010, the total six-year net benefit amounting to about $7.3 billion.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I read that it takes 60 votes from illegal aliens before they can get a tax refund.

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I am not lying about the numbers, look them up, they are easy to find.

And I am not supporting or against illegals. I do not see it as major of an issue as people make it out to be.
I know 3 people that are illegals in this country, and they get paid by check, pay their taxes, and never get it back because they cannot file a tax return.
It is just true facts about the system as it is right now.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Do you even read. I posted a link proving that you lied. You don’t even have to “look it up”. I gave it to you.

Read my last post about the IRS . You’re terribly thick and dimwitted. You’re about as toolish as anyone gets.

Look it up.(oh go fVck yourself )

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I am saying they all should get a fair shake and debate. Not just block everything.
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

How much are you getting paid to be here?

We know you are.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

No, but that is all in the 11.2 billion collected and not paid out. It is still a wash.

And it is not 100K Californina only has about 162K inmates in total. 13% are considered illegals.

Thats about 20K

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Are you claiming that the Senate hasn’t passed a single bill? Are you really this silly?

blink on April 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

This one makes libtart seem less stupid.

And that is hard to do.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Im not really for obamacare, but this has nothing to do with that. They had a chance here to actually do what a majority of Americans want, and they did a 90 right hand turn on it, flipping off the people in even their own party that want this.

This is why the GOP is out of touch.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Talk about out of touch. You do realize that the Senate is suppose to represent the State, they are from? Not the people, the State itself. The peoples representative is in the House.

Conservative4Ever on April 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

You possibly cannot say every bill that they blocked would be a tragedy for the country.
I can’t even say that about every Republican bill.
I am saying they all should get a fair shake and debate. Not just block everything.

They don’t work that hard in the Congress and Senate anyways; debate on these bills wouldn’t kill them.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

OK…
I agree that a bill should have its day on the floor..
But this Buffet Bill was known early on that is did nothing for revenue to the Feds.. between 4 to 11 days of revenue with the current spending…
Obama has spend 6 months of costly time on this bill…
This bill is not the answer…

Obama is not the answer….

This class warfare is not the answer….

I have a finite time on this planet to correct the injustice that my daughter will soon have to deal with….
The Buffet bill will not deal with it…

Lets spend more valuable time on the real issue….Government spending.

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I know 3 people that are illegals in this country, and they get paid by check, pay their taxes, and never get it back because they cannot file a tax return.
It is just true facts about the system as it is right now.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:47 PM

So why didnt you give them a ride down to apply for citizenship?Possibly a little help to fill out the paperwork? It is pretty messed up that you want them to remain illegal and to continue let the government steal their tax dollars from them. Its almost as if you are contributing to a broken system.

canditaylor68 on April 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

And I am not supporting or against illegals. I do not see it as major of an issue as people make it out to be.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:47 PM

that pretty much says it all right there. You certainly have been posting for three pages defending your views albeit half assed. Yet you are not “for or against” illegals. For a start they are breaking the law. As liberals always do, you change the goals, simplify, and obfuscate.

arnold ziffel on April 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Moreover, the study’s breakdown of costs on a state-by-state basis shows that in states with the largest number of illegals, the costs of illegal immigration are often greater than current, crippling budget deficits. In Texas, for example, the additional cost of immigration, $16.4 billion, is equal to the state’s current budget deficit; in California the additional cost of illegal immigration, $21.8 billion, is $8 billion more than the state’s current budget deficit of $13.8 billion; and in New York, the $6.8 billion deficit is roughly two-thirds the $9.5 billion yearly cost of its illegal population, according to Jack Martin, the researcher who completed the study.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/#ixzz1sFqRFsUr

Damian you’re a liar.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I thought that I would list the capital gains tax rates around the world so that we could compare them with Obama’s Buffett Rule, which is really a doubling of the CGR and dividend rate by stealth.

Capital Gains Tax Rates Around The World

Resist We Much on April 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Its almost as if you are contributing to a broken system.

canditaylor68 on April 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Just wants to sponge off of them.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I am not lying as you claim, look at the 2008 report from your same fox article:

Groups that support immigration reform immediately attacked FAIR’s report and pointed out that it is the polar opposite of the Perryman Report, a 2008 study that found illegal immigration was actually a boon to the American economy. It estimated that illegal immigrants add $245 billion in Gross Domestic Product to the economy and account for 2.8 million jobs.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/#ixzz1sFqlmBhf

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

True, but the senate should debate bills, all bills as in my previous post.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

The ‘Buffett Rule’ WAS debated, closed, and voted upon. It was rejected. You do know how this works, right? Here’s a refresher.

BTW, Dingy Harry Reed has blocked a lot of bills passed by the House from getting debated and voted on. One man. You do know this, correct?

Phil-351 on April 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Its almost as if you are contributing to a broken system.

canditaylor68 on April 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Just wants to sponge off of them.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

He wants to keep them poor and begging for handouts.The Democrats need to have something to hold over their voters heads.

canditaylor68 on April 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Republicans passed out a memo to not pass anything, that shows that something is broken that they will blanket reject anything and everything for political theatre without even knowing what would come up for votes.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM

You seem to have forgotten the link to this “memo” damian. Or are you just making sh1t up?

JusDreamin on April 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

No, but that is all in the 11.2 billion collected and not paid out. It is still a wash.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

No it is not a wash. You really are a dupe and water carrier. I don’t think you can even read.

Also,

As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:

“The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California’s prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces

You lie and constantly.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

And it is not 100K Californina only has about 162K inmates in total. 13% are considered illegals.

Thats about 20K

Which comprise almost a billion dollars worth of spending to house, feed and care for, and what’s a billion dollars? Pffft, I have that much laying under the cushions of my couch.

Bishop on April 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Yes and those that did the study stand by their work. Those that attacked did only that. They brought nothing.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Nothing is going to happen with spending reform so long as bills are blocked from either party.

The system needs to be fixed, and both sides need to come together. Yes Buffett bill may not be the answer, but most people wanted it, and that would have shown a compromise on both sides to work together.

It has to start somewhere, and until it does, the system will never be fixed.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

and account for 2.8 million jobs.
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

 
Why do you hate black people?

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

What state do you live in? I’ll go first I’m in CA–central valley. You have no idea what the —k you are talking about re CA. NONE.

arnold ziffel on April 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Can’t wait to see how Axelchod, et al., try to spin this as a victory for Obama.

Christien on April 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

What a straw to grasp for.

Just whining without tangible proof…kind of exactly like you.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

No there is a different report:

I was not lying. I read facts from a report.

http://americansforimmigrationreform.com/files/Impact_of_the_Undocumented_Workforce.pdf

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I still wonder why damian wants to exploit the immigrant worker and in fact celebrates it.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

I was not lying. I read facts from a report.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

No, I read the facts in the report from the Foxnews link.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

JusDreamin on April 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Yep. Let’s see the memo he claims exists.

Christien on April 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

damian…where is that link to the memo btw?

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I was not lying. I read facts from a report.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I can see why you tried to obfuscate your sources. Of course they have no agenda.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

And, by the way, your report states clearly:

Bob Dane, director of communications at FAIR, a

conservative organizat

ion

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/#ixzz1sFt5cEjp

Try a non-partisan report instead.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

I was not lying. I read facts from a report.

http://americansforimmigrationreform.com/files/Impact_of_the_Undocumented_Workforce.pdf

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Surely, there cannot be bias in a report from a source as unimpeachable as this one?

massrighty on April 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Fake document seller?

Daddy has a lawn care business?

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

SAN DIEGO — Future costs for illegal immigrants in the United States will reach a half a trillion dollars, a Heritage Foundation researcher said Wednesday at congressional hearing in San Diego.
The influx of illegal immigrants has effectively “imported about 10 million high school dropouts into the United States,” said Robert Rector, a senior research fellow in welfare and family issues for the Washington, D.C.-based think tank.
Rector testified before the House Judiciary Committee, which convened at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot for one in a series of hearings on illegal immigration this month.

The hearings are a rebuttal to a Senate bill that House members believe will result in amnesty for illegal immigrants.
The topic of the discussion was the fiscal impacts of illegal immigration.
The National Academy of Sciences estimated that each immigrant will result in a $100,000 net annual cost to taxpayers.

This lying about the true cost of illegal immigration has to stop.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

massrighty on April 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

And FAIR is not partisan? They are known as a conservative outfit, I went to their web site, and it is ALL right wing talking points.

Let’s both agree both reports are partisan.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Try a non-partisan report instead.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

heh, you’re hilarious. Is that how you do that? Just simply dismiss it. I see you’re the analytical type…oh wait.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM

I was not lying. I read facts from a report.

http://americansforimmigrationreform.com/files/Impact_of_the_Undocumented_Workforce.pdf

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM
Surely, there cannot be bias in a report from a source as unimpeachable as this one?

massrighty on April 16, 2012 at 9:06 PM

damian you have been exposed for the true putz you are. Gawd you’re pathetic.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

No, damian1967, I’m pretty sure you’re just stupid.

di butler on April 16, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Let’s both agree both reports are partisan.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Once busted easy to say eh ?

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Let’s both agree both reports are partisan.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

=================

I am still chuckling. Really.Pathetic.

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Just how short was your bus you rode to school in?

Conservative4Ever on April 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Once again. What state do live in? Are you going to take the fifth?

arnold ziffel on April 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Come on guys they are both just as bad but mine was better before I tried to trash yours for being partisan.

/

FO

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM

I am busted when I submit proof to my findings? But yours are factual and correct why?

Oh yeah, because mine do not agree with your talking points.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM

The same year as that report, illegals cost the american tax payers 11.2 billion. This would mean it is a wash out for what they contribute just in payroll taxes paid.

The IRS does not give refunds to mis-matched SS Numbers. so they money went into the system, but did not get paid out to illegals so far as a “refund” goes.

But the actual money spent out on the welfare side of it, is a wash to what was put in and never paid out.

I know thats hard to swallow, but in essence the US actually gains money in local revenue from sales taxes, whereas the federal dollars are washed out.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

You are assuming things which are totally false.

1. You are assuming that illegals have just one single name which they use for their IDs and DLs.
2. You are assuming that illegals use just one stolen/forged/fraudelant SS# at different stages of their lives, in different states and counties.
3. You are assuming that IRS does not give refunds on TIN #s to illegals.
4. You are assuming that illegals do not use the SS#s of their anchor-babies while using a stolen SS# simultaneously.
5. You are assuming that illegals getting NINJA loans had absolutely no impact on the housing market and bank collapses.
6. You are assuming that illegals getting delinquent on their fraudelant credit cards has no impact on the rest of us credit card holders who never commit fraud.
7. You are assuming that a few dollars in local sales taxes justifies our towns and cities becoming barrios and drug depots for gang-bangers.
I can go on…

burrata on April 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I was not lying. I read facts from a report.
 
http://americansforimmigrationreform.com
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

 

Try a non-partisan report instead.
 
damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

 
You are so awesome.

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Once busted easy to say eh ?

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Seems like that is how damian rolls. Gets busted, changes the rules…or the subject…or wants to find common ground.

This beta makes Allah downright alpha.

cozmo on April 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM

arnold ziffel on April 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

WHy does the state I live in matter in this conversation?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Where is the link to the memo?

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Nothing is going to happen with spending reform so long as bills are blocked from either party.

The system needs to be fixed, and both sides need to come together. Yes Buffett bill may not be the answer, but most people wanted it, and that would have shown a compromise on both sides to work together.

It has to start somewhere, and until it does, the system will never be fixed.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Lets say the the Senate did pass the Buffet Bill…then what?
So next year, the Feds get an extra 10 days of revenue….
Are you better off because of this?

Remember, Obama is still President….playing his class warfare…
While we grow the number of people waiting in line for some of Obama’s stash.
How many more Buffett like bills does the Senate need to approve to correct this?

Electrongod on April 16, 2012 at 9:14 PM

arnold ziffel on April 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

WHy does the state I live in matter in this conversation?

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:14 PM

You claimed it was a successful red state, that is why.

Conservative4Ever on April 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:09 PM

I am busted when I submit proof to my findings? But yours are factual and correct why?

Oh yeah, because mine do not agree with your talking points.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I was not lying. I read facts from a report.

http://americansforimmigrationreform.com

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Try a non-partisan report instead.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:05 PM

You are so awesome.

rogerb on April 16, 2012 at 9:13 PM

hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha

Allah Send Better Trolls!!!!!!!!!!

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Let’s both agree both reports are partisan.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:08 PM

“Let’s just call it even, ok?”

-Frazier to Ali after getting knocked to the mat.

Bishop on April 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Correction, blue state.

Conservative4Ever on April 16, 2012 at 9:16 PM

CW, you never responded to my numbers on California illegals in prison. Is this because you were wrong?

I would like to see a link to your facts 100K of them are illegal as you posted.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 9:16 PM

WHERE IS THE MEMO?????/

CW on April 16, 2012 at 9:16 PM

I’m not afraid of elections, never have been. I live in a solid blue state, that is much better off than most red states out there.

damian1967 on April 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

So which “blue state” is it?

Conservative4Ever on April 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4 5 7